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1514646 No.1514646 [Reply] [Original]

So is it safe to say this bitch is going to go down 100%?

I mean, there's literally no way they can still be liquid, right? I think its quite clear that the insolvency of this firm is going to be the catalyst for the next recession, but when do you guys think it is? I have my own hunch but wanted to see what /biz/ thought.

>> No.1514674

im scared

>> No.1514679

>>1514646
Hopefully tomorrow!

Lehman's v2.0, "Bigger than ever!"

>> No.1514689

>>1514679
You think tomorrow? Are you assuming fed is going to lvl up +.25 ?

>> No.1514691

>>1514674
ok Derrick

>> No.1514692

Fuck off us stocks only

>> No.1514696

>>1514692
you can buy DB on the nyse

>> No.1514700

>>1514692
literally retarded

>> No.1514702

>>1514646
You think the ECB will let it happen?

>> No.1514710

I doubt it desu. Banks have a ton of protection against bankruptcy. Unless it does something Lehman-tier retarded like leverage the housing market 31:1 right before the bubble bursts I'd say they'll pull out of this one.

>> No.1514716
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>>1514710
That is true, but how hedged can you be against 72.8 Trillion Dollars in Derivative Exposure?

Is it even possible?

>> No.1514761

>>1514716
First learn what a derivative is, then you'll understand why this is a stupid question.

>> No.1514827
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>>1514761
I understand that they're contracts based on projections or guesses of what the market or any underlying asset/assets

I understand that they have opposing positions to try to hedge or neutralize the effect of a bad play in one direction

But should things start to perform poorly, how hedged are they? Is it literally 50/50 with opposing positions grossing 72.8T?

Wouldn't they make no money (or very little in that circumstance)? Is it reasonable to believe they would weight it more heavily in one direction?

I know that the 72.8 figure is alarming and a misrepresentation of actual risk, but isn't there still substantial risk associated with DBK?

>> No.1514848

>>1514827
The derivatives they have exposure to are actually hedges for other bets. Do your DD kid.

>> No.1514858

>>1514848
I'm still confused.

So the derivatives they're exposed to (the value they keep listing is 72.8T) is a hedge?

For what? What are they hedging against with such a large derivatives portfolio? They're other assets?

Isn't DB's performance slumping anyways?

>> No.1514860

>>1514858
*Their.

I'm not helping my case

>> No.1514876

>>1514860

Did you just correct the proper use of they're??

Wew lad kek

>> No.1514877

>>1514876

Shit i see the second one now... Nm

>> No.1514928

>>1514710
funny thing is a few days ago i got a call asking me to lower my mortgage rates, there coming.

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1514957

I'll leave this here

>> No.1514978

>>1514957
Anyone gonna comment on this?

>> No.1514987

>>1514848
>>1514827
I think he's trying to say that hedging is a form of derivatives. So you literally asked "how hedged can you be against a hedge?"

>> No.1515002

Also,

>collateralized loans

Isn't this shades of 2008 all over again? The CDO's are just going to turn to dust in the 3rd parties hand as the bank goes iliquid and everything falls down all the same?

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>>1515002

>> No.1515011

Can't wait for this shit to crash already so my crypto can moon. Fucking normies and their fiat central banks, when will they learn?

>> No.1515031

>>1514978
the thing is that the chart is from 2008. What about now, how does DB's decline in 2016 compare with LEH then?

>> No.1515055

>>1514646
didnt the german gov just buy them in?

>> No.1515085

I'm freaking the fuck out right now. This is like 2008 all over again.

Fuck.

>> No.1515121

WOW
ITS ACTUALLY GOING DOWN
DANG
https://www.tradingview.com/chart/?symbol=FRA:DBK

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1515132

Press f to pay respects

>> No.1515140

Nothing is going to happen. ECB will just print more money. You really think the world will allow 2008 to happen again? Think again.

>> No.1515144

Total noob here, what should one do to prep for a 2008? Both in /biz/ and non /biz/ ways. Some people here are saying it won't happen but I still think it's something to keep in mind.

>> No.1515356

Alright, so can someone explain to me in short was exactly has happened to the Bank and is happening to it right now?
I would love someone competent to give me as idiot the insight about what this ruccus is all about. I hear about the payment to the us gov and how they want to negotiate, but that cant be the biggest problem with these numbers, right?

>> No.1515609

>>1515140
Is this how you cope?

>> No.1515852
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>>1515140
Do you have any idea how much money they would have to print to save DB? They're already printing 80 billion Euros per month now.

You do know that government is not a magic wizard, yes? They are just a bunch of people.

Buy crypto and gold, this fucker is going down, and it will drag the rest of the financial world with it.