/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>1507498
>You dont really believe that hard work and determination is enough to become a billionaire do you?

No but we don't believe that taxation is an effective solution for income equality or will yield positive results for the economy.

>>1507498
/pol/ leaks into all the boards.

which is ironic since conservatives in general aren't smart enough for business or science, but you'll find them trying to discuss it anyways.

>>1507499
How would more education funding not help? Give me an answer that isnt >hurr durrr gubment sucks

Because unlike the other shit boards some people on /biz/ actually have money or pretend to have money.

>>1507508
Nobody on /biz/ is worth a billion. And id bet good money none of them are worth a million. Much less enough of them to make their right wing tax policies make sense

>>1507510
>id bet good money none of them are worth a million.
I'd take that bet.

>>1507510
A million isn't as hard as it used to be. The foreman of the tool shop I work at is worth 1.5 and I live in a rust belt shit hole.
Shit, I'm 26 and have 150k in the bank, not inheritance, and I was a C student. All it takes is some reading and some dedication.

>>1507522
This is the shit im talking about. Faggots put a hundred k away and think theyre hot shit and start dreaming they have a shot at being the 1% "if they just work harder". Unbelievable m8

judguing by >>1507460 , you'd think that this board is mostly visited by children/childish people...

>>1507524
I didn't say billionaire.
That's a whole different animal than being a millionaire. My point was that a million actually is achievable if you put your brain to work.
Becoming a billionaire is achievable if you're a very lucky sociopath.

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>>1507498
Taxes should not exist. This is a business board faggot.

>>1507531
Great example of what im talking about. Everyones raised on mr rodgers telling them they can be whatever they want to be and they think theyre one break away from luxury until they die in squalor

Why do liberals think it's okay to spew these retarded opinions and then cry about /pol/ the second anyone calls them out on it?

>>1507498

Jokes on you. I'm state capitalist.

But yeah, we'd be better off if we had better education. China, Germany, and Japan are examples were you chimp out on education funds and get results.

>>1507537
not even conservatives would claim /pol/

that shithole is literally the bottom of the barrel.

though I know a lot of liberals that would fit right in there because schizophrenic conspiracy theories.

there aren't any conservatives in business though. You're either conservative and too dumb to run a business or you're smart enough to run a business and convince conservatives to lower your taxes, cut regulation and let you rape the occasional secretary.

>>1507498
Probably because the arguments for these taxes are pathetic.
All you're really saying is that it's okay to take from one person because they have more than another.
And as for your billionaire "argument", that's just saying that because you can't become one through hard work, you should appropriate the assets of those who are.
More education funding would help? Sure it would, but that's not a justification for fucking people on losing stock trades, Bernie.

These are the sorts of arguments a third grader would make.

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Doing god's work anon

this is what happens if you disagree with /pol/

they spam your thread with off-topic bullshit

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>>1507604
saved. jeezus our government in incompetent.

Plus there is nowhere in the constitution that says you have to pay taxes.

>>1507619
>take from one because they have more
But its not from just one. Everyone pays taxes. The elite just pay far less in proportion to most

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Literally every thread about taxes the same autist posts these pictures

>>1507667
if it keeps him from raping children and shooting federal employees I say let him.

on the other hand if it's the only think keeping him from killing himself maybe I should report it.

hard to say.

>>1507661
>But its not from just one
Semantics.
Your whole argument, from estate taxes to "free college", is that you should be free to distribute money however you wish, regardless of how it was obtained.
>everyone pays taxes
Laughable. As in, most of the people you're defending pay a laughable amount of taxes.
Now go ahead with your "Nuh-uh, the poor guy who pays $50 in taxes pays more than Buffet, because it's a greater percentage of his money" argument.

>>1507510
Why do you believe you can tax billionaires and it will affect them in the slightest?

>>1507654
>this is what happens if you disagree with /pol/
>they spam your thread with off-topic bullshit

You disnt seem to read any of what he posted

Too tough huh?

>>1507679
I dont think you know what semantics means

>>1507679
I was going to disagree with him on poor people paying taxes but then they pay sales tax and gas tax and property tax so I just skipped it.

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>>1507675
>government corruption exists
>therefore, taxes (and perhaps government itself) shouldn't exist
that's some extreme, retarded, childish logic that only a dumb person could think. how about you fight corruption instead of simply crying about it?

sage this shit

>>1507685
>You disnt seem to read any of what he posted
I read it the last time he spammed a thread with it.

examples of the government getting in trouble for wasting money are just as good of evidence they police themselves for waste as they are that they waste in the first place.

>>1507498
Nice bait...

The concept of redistribution of wealth completely contradicts economic freedom and the incentive system that has made Western civilization so historically, unequivocally prosperous,

>>1507716
How

>>1507498
The herp derp socialists "feel the bern, pay for muh education" cucks still thrive

>>1507716
they're redistributing currency, not wealth.

you can give poor people all the money you want, it's not going to make them richer. Half of americans have a negative net worth. It's really just a matter of time before they realize they fell into a trap and they start to do something about it.

'giving' them money holds off the revolution by keeping them vested in that currency, even if they technically don't own any and probably never will.

>>1507696
>they pay sales tax and gas tax and property tax
I somehow doubt the property tax part, but the point is that rich people pay all those taxes too, as well as income tax, which large numbers of the poor don't pay at all.

>>1507695
>semantics
I know exactly what it means. You're attempting to prove I claimed taxes were taken from just one person, which is a blatantly misleading statement. Using my exact wording to try to prove it anyway is arguing semantics.
And I still haven't heard you defend how "More education funding" justifies singling out a specific group of people to screw over with punitive taxes (as in, on losing money).

that wasted money goes to private companies. someone benefits from them, they are the beneficiaries of corrupt govt officials.
if you think a complete "free" market would be better... you are completely missing the point, and of course don't understand humanity

I don't defend govts, but, clearly, having corporations running the show would be much, much worse. a govt is supposed to be a compromise, a sort of equilibrium.

the govt already protects your private property anyway. it also builds your streets, so that you can transport the shit you sell to the dumb retards that throw their money at you.

>>1507720
>taxes are socialism
Every time

>>1507722
But its not singling out a group. Everyone contributes. The elite just contribute far less proportionately. I already said this you dolt

>>1507725
>fucking specific groups of people via taxes is ok, as long as I help others out
Bernie bots, people.

>>1507725
Disproportionate, unruly marginal tax rates that is

>>1507730
The college scheme you cited relies on taxing specifically stock traders.
But I guess that's not singling out a group.
What a fucking idiot.

>>1507733
How is it disproportionate to the wealthy in any way by any metric?

>>1507734
Sheet mane. I pay 0.2 annual income taxes I deserve muh free edumucation

>>1507734
I didnt cite any stock related or college scheme. Im talking about taxing the elite in a broad sense as an idea not a specific law

>>1507738
Why would you not want people to be better educated? That literally helps every person in society indirectly

>>1507732
>he thinks rich people pay taxes
this is how we know you're not rich.

what OP is saying is it's ironic how poor people like you fight so hard to cut rich people's taxes. Almost like you're being manipulated to vote against your own interests.

I'm not complaining, mind you. I'm relatively wealthy and I think people like you are the bee's knees. Just not sure why you do it. Maybe you think you're rich. Probably you think you will be someday.

>incentive system made western civilization so prosperous
You know capitalism and economic freedom are relatively new right?

Have you really fallen for the propaganda?

We have alwayS been at war with east Asia?

>>1507742
You ought to consider who these sort of government programs negatively affect. Nobody strives to innovate, investment, be more productive just so they can donate a larger portion of their income to others.

You Bernie cucks are hopeless, please go back to /pol/.

>>1507740
Yeah, that's what that senile old fuck said too.
So please explain. Many poor people pay no income tax, while the rich do, as well as paying all the other taxes the poor do. Are you still going to claim the poor pay more?
And btw, singling out "the elite" is the definition of singling out a specific group.

>>1507498
Estate Tax only applies to 10M+ wealth or some shit.

I'm sure the kids will be fine with 2 billion instead of 4-6B.

>>1507753
Are you implying that by raising the education standard in this country that it will have negative comsequences? Literally wtf are you talking about. Supervillians?

>>1507743
>people like you
>I'm relatively wealthy
You can't make this shit up.

>>1507759
Full retard.
Enjoy suffering the remainder of your life after you complete your sociology degree.

>>1507766
I think you're forgetting that it's okay to steal from people, as long as they have enough money.

>>1507769
>taxation is theft?

>>1507753
>100% of our workforce being educated
Vs
>no property tax on mcmansions

Which do you think is better for economy?

Your argument s are very strange.

>>1507772
>taxation is theft
You mean that it can't be if mandated by the government?
Pretty narrow definition of theft. If they decided a 99% rate was appropriate, you'd make the same argument?

>>1507776
99% marginal rates are not a always bad.

>>1507758
Yes i believe the poor pay proportionately more of their net worth to taxes. This isnt a radical idea
>The elite pay income tax
You cant honestly believe this. When do you think the last time gates filled out a w2?

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>>1507776
Go live in a society that doesnt collect taxes. Tell me how that goes

>>1507779
>99% marginal rates are not a always bad
Thanks for the chuckle.

>>1507781
Thanks for proving that you'll just be pedantic when you can't win an argument.
Have fun railing at evil rich people.
I'm out.

>>1507786
How am i being pedantic? Im asking you honestly do you think the elite pay income tax?

>>1507774
obvious no property tax is better for economy. 100% of workforce will never be educated, but I assume you mean they will have paper degrees from colleges whose coarseload is gradually diluted (even further) as they have to hire more and worse teachers to accomadate the influx of free students.

productivity would crumble, people with master's degrees would be too proud to work at Target, but they wouldn't find work elsewhere due to now 100+ people applying for every job and they all have degrees.

no property tax meanwhile=more spending, more business startups, more investing. overall good stuff.

>>1507788
The fact that you sat and tried to defend a stance education is detrimental to the economy makes me realize how fucking stupid you are and how pointless it would be to even try to argue. Wow

>>1507764
oh no, did you just discover that the wealthy look down on the working class in general?

kek
get rich, then we'll talk

>>1507788
I was referring existing US policy of funding K~12 ed with property taxes.

And specifically to your argument of incentives.

Property taxes are not tied to income. They dont effect incentive to produce.

Please atleast attempt to read my posts before reciting your talking points.

>>1507792
he's kinda got a point.
in the US we're starting to see the first "No Child Left Behind" kids entering the public, and you have to admit poor Americans have never been dumber and rich Americans have never been richer.

I don't know if the country actually produces anything anymore but it's a great time to be fleecing sheep.

>>1507786
Marginal tax rate of 99% on your billionth dollar and up is not a 100% bad idea.

It may not be great. But its not bad.

>>1507802
What is his point? You just listed some things without explaining how they were connected or what his point was.

>>1507807
I was being facetious, and it wasn't his point.
the uneducated are good for the economy because they're easy prey for the educated. You can't be rich without a lot of other people being poor, and stupid people volunteer for the position. A fool and his money are soon parted.

tell me if you're not getting it still.

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>>1507500
>conservatives in general aren't smart enough for business or science
>conservatives in general aren't smart
THIS

The only purpose of the welfare state should be to prevent the poor from starving to death or dying of illness. Other than that society doesn't owe you shit.

>>1507826
That has nothing to do with the thread. Thanks for posting tho

>>1507743
This post reminds of when robots on /r9k/ roleplay as Chad in order to give credence to their "only the top 20% of men can get laid" insanity.

>>1507830
Yes it does. Wealth redistribution is a meme for angry poorfags like yourself. If you aren't a third world peasant you have nothing to complain about. Try improving yourself instead of begging for scraps.

>>1507498
>Why is /biz/ so cringe inducingly republican when it comes to taxes?
/biz/ is an efficiency board. Taxes are used inefficiently, so biz does not trust.

>>1507838
Im not poor i just think the elite should pay taxes proportionate to the rest of society. Also 100% of taxes dont go to welfare. Youd probably know that if your public school wasnt so shitty

Looks like /leftypol/ is shitting up boards again

>>1507842
This. I don't mind taxes. I just hate inefficient government. There are certain items a government could handle best if left in the right hands.

>>1507498
In general ROI on taxes are shit and liberals have bag holder mentality

I am for a 10% flat income tax, based on the bible. We should gradually work towards this so people can adapt in the meantime.

We need to stop getting involved anywhere in the world, I am fully for isolationism.

We must also get rid of Fiat currency, get back ot the gold standard and also let cryptocurrency flourish.

Increase property rights, including air-rights. Increase the separation of powers.
Free up the market. Privatize large portions of the land. Install a constitutional Separation of Business and State, which renders lobbying ineffective and gets rid of all money in politics.

The only duty of the state is this -> ensure the rights of the people, be the middle man between conflicts, provide adequate military protection for sustaining sovereignty, and install a strong national border. Let rich people come together and build walls around the country. Only people with high incomes and high IQ's are allowed to come in, introduce immigration tests. Install a population-cap. It'll basically be a large enclave for the elite.

Make everything in your country as welcoming to rich people as much as possible. Like Switzerland but then better.

There will be lots of private security forces as well, on the borders of people's property but also on the national border. Our rich inhabitants will come together to discuss how to protect their lands and their property by ensuring cooperation and funding of adequate forces to keep 3rd and 2nd world immigrants out.

Also, have you ever seen the private property of rich people? It's basically completely nature-> rich people love nature and clean air, they buy super large plots of land simply to keep it clean. Our country will be the most environmentally friendly there is.

Our country will be called Libertaria

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>>1507799
And a few days ago, US grants 38 BILLION to Israel, just GRANTS it, for their protection.

With all the money we spent we couldve had a mars base by now.

We are just throwing money around, our fiat-debt is so high, this can't go on or longer, it's a hindenburg that's gonna pop and its gonna pop with a loud bang

>>1507532
dubs kek

>>1507901
= mafia

Russia also has these problems, but than worse. Large portions of tax-money simply disappear in offshore accounts from government officials.

>>1507883
>gold standard
>crypto
Wut

>>1507902
How would a mars base help the economy lol

>>1507601
Rand Paul is a beacon of light in a world full of darkness.

>>1507912
I am not saying it would, I'm just saying it we could've had one if all that waste money was spend on it.

>>1507601
Trump know's all about this incompetence.

If he doesn't win this country is doomed. We will fade away as a 2nd world country

>>1507914
So we should waste money how you want it instead of wasting it how other people want. Gotcha

>>1507921
I am not saying that.

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>>1507498
Wealth redistribution is retarded. Fuck off commie.

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>>1507938
>taxes are communism

>>1507507

Subsidising or providing free education beyond the primary and secondary system devalues the degree, and provides means to create a monopoly.

In short; Govt. pays for it, Colleges boost the cost of their degrees to make bank, standards slip admissions to maximise profit, the quality of graduates dips, the quantity explodes and now you have a demand and supply problem.

Why do you think Ivy league schools are considered the best schools to get into? They cultivate prestige and cost as part of their marketing; as well as the actual results and quality of alumni.

Lrn2Economics

>>1507498
>redistributing wealth.
that's communism anon stay away from communism!

>>1507498
>You dont really believe that hard work and determination is enough to become a billionaire do you?
sure is but not in dollars. you also need luck. not everyone makes it just one in a million.

>>1507532
i think taxes should exist but the rates should be reasonably limited and fair.

for example everyone pays 10% of their income and companies will pay either 10% of profit or 1% of income whichever is greater.

that should be all the taxes.

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>>1507960
anyways the most important thing about taxes is there should be no exemptions no deductions nothing. once you start down that road you have to increase the base tax rates which eventually fuck the middle class. the rich and the companies don't pay taxes hide their income or benefit from deductions, the poor are exempt or get great deductions and or welfare that compensates for it or more also. so the middle class gets the shaft.

when there are no deductions everyone pays the taxes unless they can hide their income. and that's pretty hard today unless you get paid from the pocket.

>>1507978
for example to a bad tax system: in my country the flat tax rate is 9% that doesn't sound bad but some guy calculated that an average citizen will pay the state 70% of his income in taxes. this system is so complicated that most people have a hard time to grasp this astonishing number. most think they only pay 40-50% to the state, but the truth is it's closer to 60-70%.

and this is bad it kills the economy pretty hard, and the rich don't fucking pay these taxes. it's only on the poor and middle class. the poorer you are in effect the more of your income goes to taxes except for min wagers they get a little allowance here and there so theirs is a little better but still real bad.

completely horrifying tax system.

I'm for wealth redistribution, but it doesn't have to come from significantly higher taxes

>>1508010
>wealth redistribution
but this always works in favor of those who has wealth and power.

fuck wealth redistribution! the little guy has to have a chance in life too.

>>1507883
>10% flat tax like in the bible
So literally everyone pays less and everything's magically going to work out?
>isolationism
>"we"
Implying murican, being the leader in a global economy and having 0 to do with anyone else in it only leads to destruction
>gold currency
>basing wealth on a rock
gg, and shitcoins are much less secure than cash.
>increase personal rights, fuck off big brother, etc.
That works well until you get shot for stepping outside for intruding on someone else's imaginary line
>literally the only thing big gub should do is protect the people in the case of conflict
Maybe they should also regulate who...
>only allow people with high iq in and introduce immigration tests
Whelp.

Also
>only people with high iq and wealth can come in
Why would they leave the shithole place where they are on top to be part of a sekrit klub where everyone is now strong competition?
>lots of private security forces
No one is willing to die just to protect some fat $35k a year MGTOW who browses a Mongolian Competitive Hula Hoop forum, let alone every single one out there.
>rich will collaborate and collectively spend their own money
Oh boy
>private property of rich has a lot of nature
>therefore rich loves nature
Maybe because they can afford a $24,000 plant five dozen times
>they buy super large plots of land solely to keep it clean
[source]
>Libertaria
This is either some shit bait or you are an underage that just discovered Ayn Rand. Either way, you created this abortion.

Saged and Reported,

>>1508040
>So literally everyone pays less and everything's magically going to work out?
no
rich fucks pay more as they can't deduct shit.

>>1507681
Because it does you absolute nimrod. The fact that they have less of their money is enough of an effect.

>>1508064
the rich always find a way to avoid taxation unless you implement a global tax system with no exemptions.

>>1507507
Government does suck. And the problem with education won't go away by throwing money at it.

>>1507730
You're arguing they should pay a bigger percentage of their gains. By definition it's only proportionate if they do pay the same percentage, anything other than that is disproportionate.

And see, this is one more problem with education: You got a ton of liberal arts and humanities egomaniacs such as yourself, that think reading fiction and opinions for 3 years makes them smart and expert at anything. Yet you don't even understand the concept of proportion.

>>1507498
>you seem pretty liberal
Is this a joke? Maybe you're thinking of reddit? This is one of the few places on the internet that isn't a liberal circlejerk.

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Business, economics and engineering graduates tend to be more right wing. I'm guessing you are still in college if you are dumb enough to have such a simplistic view of the world

>>1508078
What are you globally taxing? Because a flat rate per person is the only thing I can see working like you probably imagine.
>and that won't help poor people

>>1508160
How do i not understand the concept of proportion? Do you really think the elite pay as many taxes as a small businessman making $150,000 a year?

ITT: Trust fund kids who think they have earned their money try to explain to the working class how real life works

>>1507507
We already spend 10-16x per student vs like the next 10 most expensive countries below us combined.
It is clear that money has a threshold for diminishing returns.

Also the federal structure makes corruption rampant.

>>1508165
>Business, economics and engineering graduates tend to be more right wing.
that's what I said.
stupid people.

engineers are also more likely to be creationists than any other STEM degree.

and business graduates... spending 4 years getting a degree that isn't worth six months of real experience. Morons.

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>business
Small business owners and the finance sector are overwhelmingly conservative. If anything this board should be more right wing

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>>1508388
>Do you really think the elite pay as many taxes as a small businessman making $150,000 a year?
The tax rate after self-employment taxes for that businessman would be at least 65%.

But the businessman decides how much to pay himself. If he's stupid enough to pay himself that he needs to be ok with $100,000 of it going straight to the IRS. He has to pay himself $150k to just make $50k.

but let's be realistic. He's going to invest that $150k into business property, a home office and inventory storage, a fleet of vehicles, business travel, a timeshare owned by the business, executive retreats in the Bahamas, daily employee meetings at restaurants, and loads of other fun stuff you can write off instead of paying taxes on.

>>1509189
>Small business owners and the finance sector are overwhelmingly conservative
no, they vote republican. there's a difference.

we vote republican because conservatives are actually dumb enough to cut our taxes and deregulate our markets.

other than that you guys suck ass.

>>1509199
I was talking universally, not just in America.
>We aren't actually right wing we just vote overwhelmingly for right wing parties

>>1507507
Why is the liberal solution to everything basically boils down to throwing money at the problem?

>>1507507
the education system is fucked and putting more money into it would just line the pockets of the people taking advantage right now.

>>1509223
>we just vote overwhelmingly for right wing parties
Business owner political affiliation is exactly the same as American voter affiliation,

so yes. We do vote republican more often than democrat or independent.

but we also vote democrat and independent far more often than republican.

this is the problem republicans have in general.
They're the largest party by far but they don't actually constitute a majority. Not even close.

>>1509243
>We do vote republican more often than democrat or independent.
>but we also vote democrat and independent far more often than republican.
A-am I speaking to a retard?

>>1509252
>A-am I speaking to a retard?
no friend, in this case YOU are the retard.

let me break it down for you.
Small biz owners in the US are about 39% republican, 22% democratic, and 29% independent.

of the three republicans get the most votes.

however the other two groups outnumber republicans 3 to 2.

So while people vote republican more often than democrat, the republicans don't actually win unless they take the independents.

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>>1509166
Thats not actually true

>>1507498
Taxation is theft.

Additionally taxes don't effectively combat wealth inequality. The liberals whining about the rich "paying their fair share" aren't going to see a dime of that money. The government will take it and waste it on welfare and foreign wars. In reality these people are just jealous of others' success and wish to see them brought down to their level.

In an ideal world the only tax that would exist would be a flat-rate consumption (sales) tax.

>>1509320
>taxation is theft
I remember when i was 13

>>1509228
Good luck trying to get people to solve an issue for free my nigga

>>1507498
People actually making money don't care about you fags arguing wether or not left wing idiots or right wing lunatics are right. All they care about is low taxes. All I care about is low taxes. Thus fuck you left wingers, no taxation without representation. Boston tea party 2.0 queers

>>1509223
If a politician is going to give you a wet, sloppy blowjob does it really matter what ideology they follow? You'd still vote for them.

It doesn't really matter at this point anyways, the business "cuckservatives" are gonna get chased out of the Republican party soon enough.

>>1509336
>pay us or we'll send armed men to your house and throw you in a cage
>not theft

Alright.

>>1509422
where do you think that money came from? Who printed that paper you're willing to die for?

the same people that will kill you for it.

almost like they have to act that way so people don't realize it's worthless....

they aren't stealing anything. It's literally just paper they printed and handed out for the sole purpose of you giving it back to them.

>>1508179
>Because a flat rate per person is the only thing I can see working like you probably imagine.
indeed flat rate per person and distribute the taxes between states by where the work was realized (ie where the one paying for it resides legally)

>>1511005
or maybe distribute it between the state where the work was realized and the state the person is a citizen of or has legal residence in it, because in itself either solution would only distort shit to developed or undeveloped countries favor.

if everyone working online from india payed taxes in the us india would remain pretty poor basically and the supporting infrastructure the pajeet use would still come out indias pockets while the us swallows all the gains.

>>1507507
So then tell me oh wise economist of 4chan. Hypothetically, what -WOULD- happen if spending on education were doubled, or quadrupled. Pick a multiplier it doesn't matter. Would that improve educational outcomes? If so, why? If the money is spent poorly who would get fired? What exactly is the money being spent on that will make every child read good and learn to do other things good?

>Books?
Books are already a black hole of cronyism.

>Better teachers?
From where? Where are these supposedly "better teachers" that our money will buy?

>Building more schools?
The problem with education in America isn't a lack of school buildings.

At some level you need to acknowledge that the reason Johnny can't read is because there is a culture among a good portion of poor people that rejects the value of education. The kids go to school and don't give a fuck and you could spend a million dollars on each of them and they still wouldn't give a fuck. If you want to throw your own good money after bad then by all means, donate to Teach for America or something, but I find it really offensive when people decide that what really needs to be done is MY money needs to be spent on THEIR shitty half baked ideas and then when it inevitably goes tits up as most government endeavors do the problem is always that I didn't pay enough.

Fuck off.

>>1511159
>my Hemi isn't 100% efficient
>so giving it more gas won't make it speed up and produce more power.

your argument only works if the inefficiency is 100% or greater.

corruption in government spending is a fraction of a percent.

you would probably know this if we increased spending on education.

>>1507498
>liberal

Top kek

Most of us probably come from /pol/ and before that good /b/

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>>1508040
>>1507500

Kill yourselves, you retards from /leftypol/.

ITT: So much smug, human excrement. Fuck libtards.

>>1507498
The majority of taxes in any 1st world country will always come from the middle class. This is an economic fact. Raising taxes on the wealthy is only going to a) reduce incentive to invest which fuggs productivity up big time senpai and b) put more burden on the middle class + create a larger barrier to entry for middle class business owners

So basically what I'm saying is: grow up. You type like a teenager.

>>1511678

>>1511686
You're literally only going to give mega corporations a larger % of the market by reducing competition from regional/local substitutes hello please enroll in introductory economics classes

>>1507776
Enjoy needing a doctorate to get a McInterview

>>1507498
9 figures ;)

>>1511678
>this is an economic fact
Then why do nobel laureate economists disagree with you?

>>1511240
>good /b/
I dont need to hear any more of your opinions. This sums them all up perfectly

>>1507792
Nice deflection without any contradicting arguments, you insipid cumstain.
Good thing you exist though, we are still going to need people to flip burgers when everybody is educated.

>>1511159
>where will we buy these "better teachers"
If teachers were paid more they would inevitably get better as their jobs became more competitive. Hard to expect excellence from a career path that makes less than a waitress at applebees

>>1512053
What makes you think raising taxes on the elite = everyone in america automatically gets a degree? Please show me the logic behind trainwreck of a thought process

>>1511159
>i hate when people tell me MY money should be spent on something
But its not yours. Its the governments. Fucking entitled millennial scum think you can just live in a first world country and not pay taxes

>>1509422
Its not theft youre paying for a sevice. A service that you are free to unsubscribe from at any time

Free market and supply and demand work best, however that really doesn't exist nowadays above the local level. We live an IP/monopoly world where big businesses own every part of the process.

Anyone who has ever benefited from school, roads, police, military, state schools, grants, protection from bad lenders on any business loans, and the ability to sue or collect on nonew payment should hop off the no-tax mindset.

>>1512094
Millennials on this board think theyre entitled to all that without paying a dime

>>1512077
it seems you're suffering from the delusion that the government is above the people
i'm sorry to say anon but you are wrong, very very wrong

>>1507590

>Sweden

Pretty dense for what is the "thinking mans" country.

DESU IMO SENPAI

>>1507956
>Govt. pays for it, Colleges boost the cost of their degrees to make ban
I guess that must be why countries where government pays for it have a much lower cost. You cucks seem to forget that a private has more interest in degrees being more expensive than the government
>standards slip admissions to maximise profit
don't see why they would
> the quality of graduates dips
don't see why
> the quantity explodes
quantity is always the same, it is structural, not dependent on whether the university is private or public
>and now you have a demand and supply problem.
don't see why
>Why do you think Ivy league schools are considered the best schools to get into?
because of connections, not because they are the best. Look at these ivy league geniuses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tsgc0k594Js
> They cultivate prestige and cost as part of their marketing; as well as the actual results and quality of alumni.
ahahahahahahahahahahahahah

>>1507717

Free enterprise allows any one American to become a self made man. Maybe you havent lived in a communist country that dictates you can only have the same wealth as everyone else but my family migrated from that. Its what everyone comes to America for.


On the flipside, capitalism doesn't only allow you to succeed but you are also allowed to fail. If you are not productive or do not have marketable traits you dont get a free pass. You stay poor. I think thats wonderful because at its greatest extent, people are improving their homeland and making opportunity for others. At its worst, you have poor uneducated people whining about income inequalities when they have failed to produce.

Socialism is jealousy absolute.

>>1507531
Some of the greatest millionares and billionare's of America's time came from the poor who had a plan and was at the right place at the right time, and most of the millionares and billionares today are also new money. No one ever said that it was easy, or you wouldn't die from the stress involved, but it definitely is possible. My grandfather was a son of poor migrant farmers who saved up every cent he had to go to college and become a petroleum engineer and worked a high position with Exxon until he died comfortably as a millionaire.

Just because you are a lazy piece of shit OP that wants other people's money doesn't mean it isn't possible for those that will work for it.

>>1507540
Chinese students are nothing but cheaters with skewed test results

>>1507759
Why are you even here?

>>1512051
Where argument

>>1512171
>you can be anything you want with hard work!!
Holy shit youre an idiot

>>1507498
Tax is theft.