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SECURE THE BAG

>>15073477
Simple, by taking the means of production.

>>15073477
They won't be able to cope. They will be broken and their jobs will be gone.
The only hope is Yang and neetbux, to help people transition into new jobs and create new businesses.
If I had an extra 12k a year I would be able to start a new business.

we need to let normies know its ok to like Yang :). Unfortunately they won't realize it until 10 years from now that they should have voted for him.

>>15073516
There will be no new jobs.
Recession 2020 and depression 2021 are coming. It's over, no matter for who you vote.
Neetbux is soon to be cut.

>>15073477
>move to higher ground

>>15073628
New jobs will come in the form of supporting AI/Robots until they are self sufficient, and then the only jobs that can exist afterwards are "future jobs" that involve only things humans can do. We don't know what they are yet, but I imagine they are mostly creative-based.

>>15073477
I'll be a contrarian and say that unskilled labor is safer from automation than many crappy white collar middleman and paper pusher jobs

>>15073718

>>15073718
This cry over automation has been going on for hundreds of years. 97% of the US population used to be in agriculture. Literally almost EVERYONE had to grow food just for EVERYONE to survive. Now it's like 3 %. That's due to advances in technology on exponential scales.
Fucking Yang is the farmer from the 1830s crying about the steel plow being invented and putting everyone out of a job.

>>15073785
Wtf jobs are retards and nignogs gonna do all day faggot

>>15073801
The market will decide. Faggot. Just like it has been for centuries. If robots are literally doing everything hard, the cost to do anything plummets. You believe we live in a vacuum and that the economy is a fixed pie.
I truly dont have time to give you an entire fucking lesson micro and macro economics. Honestly research luddites first to understand that NPCs like yourself have been crying over technology for hundreds of years yet we are exponentially better as a society because of it.

>>15073785
Just like permabears, the luddites are always right at some point in time. The question just is how can we smoothly transition to the new forms of industry without social upheaval.

>>15073801
And it's not my job to tell you what job to get with your unskilled labor and inability to learn new skills. I got into a skilled trade position in a field that actually grows through the technological advancements and the wealth producing qualities that come with them.

>>15073871
luddites are never right. They come back like a fungus every century to say the same thing. "This time it's different!"

>still believing there is a finite # of jobs

>>15073477
Should I get a degree in mechatronics? I was thinking about either doing:
>mechatronics
>nursing
>cyber security
>aircraft maintenance technician

All lead to fairly decent careers although I think cyber security might be replaced with pajeets. Can any /biz/ bros recommend me what to study so that I'll be rich?

>>15073871
You are correct in saying there needs to be a transitional period. But it's already happening. Automation has been coming for 50 years. We ARE all ready transitioning. Jobs that have been gone for decades, do you think those people are seriously still just sitting there unemployed? No. They found someone to pay them for something else that society wanted. This has been occurring for hundreds of years and the market finds a way. If you start central planning this it will only get worse.

>skilled

>>15073785
there's a limit to energy efficiency and production
we have reached it
say goodbye

>>15073969
>say goodbye
Goodbye luddite

>>15073939
It hasn't even begun.

if you only knew how bad things really are.

>>15073858
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>>15074018
it's not a matter of just thinking up something
it's just physically impossible to maintain our world with the resources becoming rarer, populations increasing, and energy demands going up
growth isn't magic, and no amount of renewable energy can replace liquid fuel

we've been pumping
soon will come the dump
sell now

>>15073570
21st century Perot kek

>>15073650
>until they are self-sufficient
it astounds me that so many people believe AI has the capability of thinking. Thinking requires context which robots are incapable of comprehending

>>15073939
Here's where libertarians get things wrong. They forget that the ability to automate things, the complexity that's able to be automated, increases every year.

And guess what? People's capabilities don't. The things the vast majority of the population can do are hard capped. Retards are still retards, even if you rubberstamp them through grad school.

So it becomes cheaper and cheaper to route paperwork through script.py instead of Jamal.

Unless China gets intelligence gene modding figured out in 5 or 10 years, we're looking at Luddites on steroids.

>>15073477
thats why P2P eCommerce will thrive.

replin.com

>>15073939
I don't disagree, I'm pretty bullish about the new tech that is coming slowly to fruition that will open up new possibilities and global power shifts. But the public must be appeased a bit because the last decade was trash and I don't want the masses to halt progress in the coming decade.

Self driving cars have been "right around the corner" for nearly a decade and generally speaking they are no closer now than they were in 2015. This whole thing has been a meme. Even in controlled environments like quarries or airports they can't work and wind up causing more problems than they solve.

What is coming is the automation of professional white collar jobs. Accountants, lawyers, clerks etc...we really don't need them as much anymore. Definitely not in these quantities.

I reckon the next wave of blue collar automation won't be for thirty or so years. Honestly its cheaper just to hire a wagie. That's not so for accountants who cost as much as six or seven hammerhands.

>>15073929
Proper cybersecurity aka government or government contractors will never be replaced by pajeets because clearance is needed

>>15074297
And unironically the same people calling for the UBI because muh automation are more often then not calling for higher minimum wage which just expedites the need for automated labor. Burger flipping machines are still more expensive than human labor.
You wanna know how to make everyone exponentially richer? Abolish the Fed. But you faggots are more worried about technology making us poorer (somehow, despite the track record being the exact opposite forever) than the real problems. The government and central banking.
It's always a bandaid on a tumor with these statists.

>>15074163
I think there will be forms of economic activity we can't imagine right now. Things that aren't dependent on outperforming machines in cognitive and physical capabilities.

>>15074125
You're a literal retard

>>15073477
> Automation has never existed before UH OH STUPID POOR PEOPLE AUTOMATION IS COMING FOR YOUR JOB TOO! better vote for me for UBI it's just free money uh oh come on poor people vote for me uh ohhh automation coming isn't it scary??? Uh oh quick!

>>15074449
Shit, even just think about entertainment and arts. Rich people pay to go see obscure dance art at off off Broadway theatres. I know because I work in one. And trust me, stagehands are mostly retards. There will ways be jobs for box pushers

>>15073570
>current year
>chingchangwangyang
>muh universal income

fucking kek imagine how retarded you have to be. Yangfags are more cringe than bernieburnouts, at least berniefags never tried to fit in by shilling anime girls on 4chan only to get laughed at. How much of a faggot do you have to be to be lower than a bernie bot?

>>15074509
I mean look at us right now, getting rich by trading weird internet tokens. This is not what I would imagine doing if someone asked me 10 years ago.

>>15074470
Suck my dick faggot. I have 10 years experience working in computer science.

>>15074867
you shouldn't need to have experience to know souls exist, but appeals to authority are all these faggots care about now

dont worry fren, i believe you

>>15073477
>unskilled
They cope by becoming skilled, hopefully.

>>15074353
But government jobs are more prone to give in to diversity hiring than the private sector

>>15073650
there will never be as many new jobs created as were destroyed
unlike the industrial revolution, a vast number of jobs right now are do-nothing jobs that could be eliminated right this second without replacement and nobody would notice aside from all the newly unemployed poor
the reason the industrial revolution created new jobs was because we never had enough free hands to do all the labor that was desired, but that does not imply there is a limitless demand for labor going forward, people only have so much time to consume goods, more people working "creative" tasks will just dilute the market and reduce income for all of them
most importantly, those individuals who still have to labor for this system will not tolerate working for free to subsidize a growing class of dependents who contribute absolutely nothing to the system but consume vast amounts of finite resources all the same

We'll have a massive social safety net. Social democracy is absolutely the future.

>>15074867
How could you have 10 years computer science experience and be so wrong about Artificial intelligence?

>>15075011
You know nothing about AI do you? You are an alarmist without any evidence to back up your claim. Historical evidence on new technologies affect in the market, is decidedly on the side of those saying that AI is not a major concern. You have to prove what you are talking about faggot. Most YangTards can't.

>>15075063
Imagine thinking AI won't eventually have the capability to "think" in a relative manner. You are a literal retard.

>>15075011
No really it's quite simple. How would you teach an AI what an abstract concept like good or evil means?
You cannot, it's not possible. Human beings do not think purely in terms of 0's and 1's. We abstract things, and we make new things out of our abstractions.
This is why I cringe at the idea of a "singularity". Most forms of AI are so simple that they can only work under very strict environments. The reason is because they cannot reason, they cannot think without being provided a very specific set of data. True AI requires abstraction which robots are not able to do, and are nowhere close to being able to do.

>>15075090
Imagine thinking a machine can "think" You are so dumb. Moreover, you still haven't provided any empirical evidence that AI revolution is going to result in less net jobs. I accept that it will displace workers. I accept workers may need to be retrained. I even accept that we may need to institute policies that increase IQ (primarily eugenic, imo). But you have yet to show that there will be, on net, fewer jobs.

Also, machines can never be human, and thus human's can never be replaced. Not in a metaphysical sense, nor in a workplace sense. You are a faggot, get back to sucking chink cock shill.

I can't believe we don't teach people adequate financial education in school.
You can give poor people an extra $1000, $2000, $3000 a month and they'd still find a way to squander it.

>>15075090
> Imagine thinking AI won't eventually have the capability to "think" in a relative manner. You are a literal retard.
Do people really believe this shit?

You're not making a machine think, what actually happens is that you create an illusion for yourself that it thinks. Machines will never be alive, you are a product of Hollywood science fiction. Skynet is not real kek.

>>15075128
They'll just borrow more which honestly is great for the economy overall.

>>15075175
yep totally
*rolls eyes in credit card debt bubble*

>>15075175
You mean great for the international jew?

>>15075128
You need to give the poor free education in different fields from labour jobs to STEM.
Uni/college needs to tell people which jobs are needed and which are not, majority of people study meme degrees without job opportunity. thus stay poor.
Cut military expenses and make a fund for healthcare.

>>15075172
Literally the first five minutes of my very first computer science class in college was a basic
explanation of why computers can't think.
"Machine learning" is not thinking. That's just the developer feeding a bunch of data-sets into a computer and forcing it to work within a very specific framework to achieve an end.
That isn't thinking. Teaching a parrot how to say good morning doesn't necessarily mean the parrot understands what good morning means.

>>15075182
right the bubble pops but it's cyclical. Individually it's a terrible financial strategy to just live on the edge of monthly payments to Lord Shekelberg, but without that people would not spend and consume as much. You can debate the merits of this broadly, but barring a massive shift (which won't happen) debt cycles are the fuel that powers the global consumer economy.

>>15075115
>Imagine thinking a machine can "think"
Fucking normie LOL
>you still haven't provided any empirical evidence that AI revolution is going to result in less net jobs
Common sense, retard. Machines can easily take over menial tasks(aka most pleb jobs) and cost 10x less in doing so, and have greater margins in the future. People are going to lose their jobs by the millions when retail companies decide "ok the robots are up to snuff finally, lets start replacing people" and then the revolution has begun.
KYS retard.
> what actually happens is that you create an illusion for yourself that it thinks.

>literally just said what I said

>>15075238
The late 19th and early 20th century (right before the 20's) had an essentially capitalist system without hyper-consumption and eternal indebtedness. Explain that one partner.

>>15075226
>Literally the first five minutes of my very first computer science class in college was a basic explanation of why computers can't think.
You're braindead but the worst part is you think you have any idea what you're talking about because you got a basic explanation in college from someone just as braindead.

>>15075299
This. Indoctrinated fags

>>15075282
lay off the drugs autist

>>15075226
Learn about neural networks you dumbass. It mimics the way our brain works.

>>15075282
Wow, I can make strawmans too. First off, machines can't think. Period. That isn't even a question worth debating. Machines can, however, perform menial tasks quite efficiently (more so than humans). This means that menial laborers can be replaced by machines. I concur with you. The correct response is not, however, to create an eternally dependent underclass (ie more niggers). The correct response is two fold.

1. In the short term, we should attempt to establish training programs for dislocated workers. Essentially, a more advanced version of "learn to code."
2. I am aware of the fact that some people are just going to be too stupid to compete in such an advancing technological economy. Thus, for the long term, we should encourage policies which promote a strong, smart, healthy race. That is, we should support a eugenic policy that radically reduces the number of people who will simply not be able to compete in a technological economy.

1000 dollars a month is a fucking bonehead move.

>>15075314
We have not even discovered how consciousness works in the human brain, neural networks are inspired by the human brain, they are not exactly implementations. furthermore we dont even understand how the human brain works yet. furthermore quantum computing is 200 years away......machines cannot think like the hollywood science fiction movies you see you fucking idiot

>>15075299
Ok retard let me explain it to you. Every single thing that a computer does is programmed. Every. single. one.
A computer can't do anything unless the developer has enabled the machine to do it through a piece of code.
This is why code crashes whenever you make a tiny logical error like misplacing a parantheses or semi-colon. They cannot logically extract context out of the code written and they do not make assumptions. But whatever you say, i'm just someone who actually does this for a fucking living lmao

>>15075347
>First off, machines can't think. Period.
Unbased and indoctrinatedpilled
>. In the short term, we should attempt to establish training programs for dislocated workers. Essentially, a more advanced version of "learn to code."
Retraining has a 0-15% success rate. Will not work.

> I am aware of the fact that some people are just going to be too stupid to compete in such an advancing technological economy. Thus, for the long term, we should encourage policies which promote a strong, smart, healthy race. That is, we should support a eugenic policy that radically reduces the number of people who will simply not be able to compete in a technological economy.

This will happen naturally, but for you to call for eugenics shows how retarded you truly are.

Get fucked retard.

>>15073477
Peru - anon here
electricity is just too expensive here.
workers are cheaper.

>>15075384
>calls anon retard
>thinks computers can be conscious like hollywood movies

you win the faggot of the year anon

>>15075402
>thinks scientific breakthroughs won't happen eventually and enable something close to a "conscious" AI
stay normie tier retard

>>15075314
>>15075384
Neural networks cannot properly simulate human brains because human brains do not consist of 0's and 1's. Viewing the brain in terms of a binary is actual brainlet shit and if it really were that simple we'd have AI a long time ago.

>>15075384
Machines can't think. That's just a fact. Neural networks and machine learning are not thinking. There will be no Commander Data in the future.

Love to see a source on that success rate faggot.

Finally, On the one hand, I agitate for a long term policy that will not create a dichotomous nation. A nation of low IQ, dpendents, and the high IQ productive folks off whom they leach. A long term eugenics program (which does not need to involved neutering and castration, but can be effectively achieved using tax incentives and subisidies) is the only way forward in a technological community. 1000 dollars a month does no such thing, and has no such positive effect. Read more dipshit. You play in the mud. I look towards the future of our nation, and my race. You will get fucked chink lover.

>>15075426
you literally believe in hollywood scripts, fuck off nigger retard. thats normie tier as fuck and you don't understand how programs work.

>>15075380
> i'm just someone who actually does this for a fucking living lmao
You clearly don't. You have no idea what you're talking about either on the philosophical level of what is "thought" or the technical level where we do in fact now train machines to make assumptions and build on abstractions. Everything you're saying is just wrong. Just because you managed to learn basic programming doesn't mean you know anything about modern machine learning or complex emergent systems.

>>15075431
>>15075455
>>15075457
back to plebbit normies

>>15075488
Yang is unironically plebbit's candidate. You sound like a fucking plebbitor.

>>15075485
enlighten us retard. its always the non-programmers who like to throw around terms like BIG DATA and MACHINE LEARNING. you fucking idiots don't realize its all 0 and 1 at the end of the fucking day.

the human brain is so many orders of magnitude greater than binary or quantum computing....we literally dont know how we have conscious experience yet

>>15075498
weak bait
>>15075509
>you fucking idiots don't realize its all 0 and 1 at the end of the fucking day.
until it isn't

>>15075488
> I'm not able to debate because I'm a neet retard
You're embarrassing yourself

>>15075559
don't have to, you all make yourselves look like retarded normies by adhering to your indoctrinated selves. Non-genius tier thinking

>>15073801

yoga

>>15075547
YangTards are so obstinate, it's actually kind of funny, given their candidate is a weak pushover chink, who couldn't stand up for himself in a debate. You can call this an adhom all you want, but a president of the US has got to be less of a fag than Yang is. Tulsi is more of a man than Yang. That being said, you have shown no proof or a priori arguments that a computer can work in abstraction like a human can. You have the burden. The beta faggot has shrugged. You lost. Yang sucks and will lose. Just deal with it, and go fuck your plushie some more.

MOVE TO HIGHER GROUND WE'RE 10 YEARS TOO LATE SHITS FUCKED UP
EVACUATE NOW AHHHHHHHHHH

>>15073477
Thats a funny way of saying mexicans

>>15075563
autistic anon, go learn to defend your points before spilling your retarded brain dump on the internet

>>15075581
cringe

>>15075601
>new technology is made possible via machine learning/neural networks
>self thinking AI can now exist
wow that was hard

>>15075563
The new stereotype of the Yang gang is that aside from being unemployed they're also tech illiterate. Go to one of his rallies and tell him to give us back the jobs and designs China stole from us before talking about ubi nigger shit

>>15075622
nope cannot happen for reasons you are too fucking stupid to comprehend.

>>15075608
Yes, Yang's debate performance was pretty cringe.
>>15075622
You have the burden of proof. You just don't want to shoulder it.

>>15075457
It’s called predictive programming.

>>15075624
>thinking I'm tech illiterate
>follows his indoctrinated brain
Learn to think retard.
Hopefully your job, what were you, a code monkey? Will be taken by AI that can code anything with a goal in mind. Every job is going to be taken. Every. Fucking. Job.

>>15075635
nope. apples to oranges, we are talking about conscious machines not speculative decision making

>>15075581
You’re calling him a beta but he’s done more for America than you ever will. Also, they muted his mic and consistently give him the least amount of talking time cause they know his policies will be disasterous for their neoliberal corporate overlords.

>>15075644
BURDEN. OF. PROOF.

You can't just call people indoctrinated, and then refuse to back up your position. You are making a positive claim (that is, you say something exists or will exist). You are also advocating a policy that will cost trillions of dollars. You have a very high burden to prove what you are saying is true. You have provided nothing. Eat shit retard.

>>15075644
This nigger has to be bait, how the fuck are you so stupid

>>15075665
wow so hard to google
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=ai+that+can+write+its+own+code
You are most likely ~92IQ on a good day.

>>15075644
So what's your point? I'll have more money than you since I'll be working up to that point :^)
Cope

>>15075485
Actually I do, and you're clearly not very bright if you think a machine following instructions in the form of an algorithm is the same as thinking. If you're the kind of person i'm competing with in real life then holy shit thank you for being so dumb. It really makes winning at life that much easier.

>>15075687
When did I say AI can't do mundane tasks and write rudimentary code. You are claiming that human labor is going to be replaced by machines. And that a ubi is the only way to combat that. That is a bold claim, which requires proof.

>>15075700
I'm already rich from crypto. I don't want the world to go to shit because of advancements in technology that displace MILLIONS OF PEOPLE causing a mass revolution and shredding the fabric of society and the world as we know it. Everything will go to shit if we don't solve this issue, and UBI is most likely the only logical choice in a world with diminishing jobs.

>>15075687
you found some code-generation.

LOL fuck this dude

>>15075718
1. COMPUTERS CANNOT THINK BECAUSE THEY CANNOT UNDERSTAND ABSTRACT CONCEPTS.

2. DECISION MAKING IS NOT THE SAME AS THINKING.

holy shit that was hard. machine learn this dick down your throat faggot

>>15075715
>i provide proof that AI can write their own code
>b-b-but when did I say they couldn't!!!!11
KYS retard.

>You are claiming that human labor is going to be replaced by machines
It is. Burgerbots exist. Robots that can fucking do backflips and parkour exist. If you don't think technology will get to a point where they can do everything an 80IQ retard like you can, you cannot be saved.

UBI is the only answer because it softens the blow and allows people some time to figure out how to fight against the robots. They can use that money to survive to a degree and after they get back on their feet they can work to create new ideas to make even more money.

The future business economy involves taking AI and robots into account. Eventually, fighting it will be futile as no one needs to work ever again. We will eventually become a valueless society. Abundance will come, if we last that long.

>>15075718
> most likely the only logical choice
Geez you're that desperate for gibs aren't you? if you're rich you're fine, stop trying to fuck everyone over because you're too stupid and paranoid to function

>>15075772
Even if you are right that "computers" will never be able to "think", it doesn't matter, because they will be able to replace every menial job. Not even lawyers are safe, because smart contracts exist.

If we can create a fucking AI that can beat professional starcraft 2 players 11:1 w/l ratio we can create a fucking robot that replaces every job on the planet.

>>15075777
Human labor will never be replaced, as computer will never be able to think like humans. That fact that some computers can generate code is almost as interesting as the fact the mechanics use wrenches. It is a tool used by humans. I am sure horse breeders and ranchers were quite upset when the tractor became common on farms. But, as far as I am aware, they found other work.

>>15075831
>Human labor will never be replaced
It quite literally already is retard.
>as computer will never be able to think like humans
menial jobs = don't require fluid thinking
>I am sure horse breeders and ranchers
They will be replaced too, by AI that can select the best candidates based on a trillion datapoints. Ranchers can be replaced by robots too. Kek, you seriously have zero clue.

>>15075824
We can build bots to do very specific tasks and functions, but to claim that robots can feel and think the way the human brain does takes the humanity away from us. And that is fucking retarded and the saddest shit I’ve heard. You are pretty retarded not gonna lie

>>15075777
Forcing an AI to write specific pieces of code under very strict circumstances is not the same as thinking, nor is it a concious AI.
You're so dumb it honestly hurts to read.
No AI has EVER been created that has been able to create sophisticated pieces of code independent of supporting sets of data. Every single AI that exists today is specifically designed to handle specific tasks. They cannot act outside of these environments because they are not conscious. They cannot think. Instructing someone to do something and having it grow based off that data isn't thinking. It is a machine logically gravitating towards what the developer has proclaimed to be a satisfactory outcome. It doesn't "reason" it's way there.

>>15075878
>We can build bots to do very specific tasks and functions
Yep, like taking every job on the planet because we don't have to pay them like the wagecucks(slaves).
>but to claim that robots can feel and think the way the human brain does takes the humanity away from us
It might get to that point. Who knew that AI would even exist at this point so quickly, even if it is rudimentary or primitive. What if they make an AI that can self-code itself to infinity and that is their way of "thinking"? Who knows, but I'm sure someone will eventually bring us to a singularity and from there the world will either end or flourish exponentially.

Might as well get your neetbux while you can, and keep things chill so ((((they)))) don't revolt.

>>15075831
> Human labor will never be replaced, as computer will never be able to think like humans.

WRONG
All thought is the same.
Everything is computation.

>>15075912
>Forcing an AI to write specific pieces of code under very strict circumstances is not the same as thinking, nor is it a concious AI.
Doesn't matter. Jobs will still be gone. All of them. The more advanced AI will be so close to "thinking" we won't be able to tell the difference. We don't even know what thinking is.
AI will advance exponentially and you'll begin to see it over the next few years. Watch as everything gets more optimized.

>>15075934
Glad someone else understands that we are very similar to computers.
>b-but we're humans! with fat brains that are ((((conscious)))) and have ((((free will))))! Robits will never compete!
Makes me cringe.

>>15075853
>fluid thinking

>>15075824
What do you mean "if im right"? Machines not thinking is literally a fact. Machines don't care about the input you provide it. They just execute it. But yes, I do understand your concern of why this may be troubling. I personally believe most jobs will become of a creative nature, as this is something that machines cannot replace.

>>15075942
You are arguing a different point now, you’ve changed your stance. Get fucked idiot, don’t debate and abandon your original point

FUCK BOOMERS
FUCK ZIONISTS
FUCK BEZOS
FUCK MIGA DISCORD TRANNIES
YANGGANG

>>15075957
I’ll tell you what, being as dumb as this dude will never be replicated by AI

>>15075959
fluid thinking = Fluid intelligence or fluid reasoning is the capacity to reason and solve novel problems, independent of any knowledge from the past. It is the ability to analyze novel problems, identify patterns and relationships that underpin these problems and the extrapolation of these using logic.

Nice try retard.
>jobs will become of a creative nature
Maybe. It's funny, I'm really into music and am an artist myself, an audio engineer as well. I could see AI eventually being able to create masterpieces. If they become capable of "creative" processes, it's quite literally over for everyone.

>>15075962
Not "changing my stance" you literal retard. Clarifying so you understand where I'm coming from with my logic.
It's very philosophical by nature. We don't know what "thinking" even is, so how could you quantify whether or not an eventually more advanced AI could "think" or not?
You couldn't.

>>15073477
Its not economical to automate everything. Robots cost a lot of money, if it is cheaper to hire a human it will be done.

>>15076039
you forgot your >

>>15075942
>Doesn't matter. Jobs will still be gone. All of them.

Not true. Jobs today involve a lot of problem skills, which require the ability to think in the abstract. I'm gonna break it down as simple for you as I can:

The real world (laws of the universe aside) doesn't operate in terms of logic. It operates in terms of what is pragmatically considered good in accordance to the current moral, social and economic paradigm.

Imagine if you are caught speeding by a police-officer with a pregnant wife in the backseat. A human cop would probably be more understanding, but since machines cannot understand the moral aspect of things they lack the ability to be pragmatic. Pragmatism is what rules every day human action. You cannot develop your way to a machine that can reason, and therefore it won't replace most jobs. This is ofcourse blatantly obvious to anyone with experience in compsci. AI is overhyped garbage that will only touch menial jobs.

>>15073628
Minimum wage kills jobs, not automation.

>>15076016
What blows my mind is how much you are underplaying how complex the human brain is.....you are making pie in the sky claims with zero fucking basis. Complete bullshit is what I call it

Human and machine will continue to merge. It is inevitable.

>>15076051
>Jobs today involve a lot of problem skills
Not many, at all. Most jobs are menial boring tasks that could easily be done by AI and robots.
Millions of jobs are fucking MENIAL RETAIL GARBAGE. Easily replaced. You will get rekt if you don't evolve with technology.

>he thinks there will be manually-driven cars on the road
>he thinks self driving cars wouldn't keep up with the speed of traffic or notify eachother that someone is speeding
>he thinks all cars won't be smart cars in the future enabling "emergency mode"
>he thinks police will still be able to make money from writing people "speeding tickets" when they quite literally won't exist in the future.

See, you just don't get it. Your reason has no reason to exist in a world where that reason cannot exist.

>>15073785
It will happen the problem is the negativity of people. And people who enjoy competition too much.

>>15075963
Yanggang bros

>>15076079
Oh I know it's complex, doesn't mean its an unobtainable thing for robots to replace.

>>15073477
If you don't have at least a bug out bag and a rifle, you aren't prepared for what's coming

>>15074163
Then let them fail, if we didnt have welfare and just had charity to keep these people alive till they die but not fund them having kids then it wouldn't be an issue, sadly rather than phase out welfare well increase it in fear of a chim out we dont have the balls to respond to and create a never ending problem and slowly die feeding it, like cancer

>>15076095
You aren’t a good debater, he’s giving you valid points and arguments and most of your points are verbal attacks which is a sign of no actual rebuttal worth talking about

>>15073939
Redpilled.

>>15074376
Based.

>>15076128
His "valid points and arguments" are on a short period timeline and will not exist in the future. Period.
When AI and robotics gets to the point of a singularity, we will already have everyone in smartcars and our roadways will evolve. There will be no speeding tickets, there will be the capability to travel at 120mph speeds in packs because smart cars can communicate with eachother.
You guys are a bunch of fucking literal retards if you think police will exist in ~50-100 years.
Crime will be gone. It will be edited out of the gene pool. Every current construct will be gone or changed completely, meaning no crime, no need to kill, nothing. We will only live to explore and create experiences.

>>15076095
>Jobs today involve a lot of problem skills
Actually vast majority of them do. Just because something isn't a hard science doesn't mean it doesn't require problem solving skills.
Being a teacher requires problem solving skills, so does being a psychologist. Most jobs require problem solving skills, no matter how insigificant they might seem. This is why businesses only automate away very simple menial tasks.

You really gotta stop making wide absolute statements and educate yourself on what AI is before talking about it. I mean holy shit you thought that computers think at the beginning of this thread.

>>15076181
>Being a teacher requires problem solving skills
lol sike
most kids would rather learn at home from their computers or devices. Don't delude yourself. "Teachers" are just information relayers, and most teachers fucking suck. You never had a bad teacher?
>psychologist
Meh, most psychologists are scammers and frauds anyways. Mental health will most likely improve drastically so much so that psychologists have zero reason to exist, or could perhaps be replaced by something. The best psychologist is your mom or dad, and not letting your child get fucked up to the point that they need one.

AI will take every job. Period.

>>15076232
I think your lack of knowledge about how machines actually work greatly prevents you from being able to talk about AI as it relates to today, and especially any long-term timeline. You make all these proposals but have no logical way to actually make them happen. You just sit there and expect it to happen because lol innovation without knowing the restrictions of these devices to begin with. Why even post if you didn't know that computers cannot think?

good night jesus

>>15076232
you have zero understanding of mental health. it has genetic components and will always be an issue.

>>15076181
>I mean holy shit you thought that computers think at the beginning of this thread.
I never said they think. Of course they don't. I said in the future they will MOST LIKELY be able to think in some regard.

>>15076296
You're an idiot. I battled through it myself. It's diet, lifestyle, social, and exercise related for the most part. Then you have to maintain and gradually improve it over time through other means.

>>15076290
I don't have a lack of knowledge on how computers work. I've spent my whole life working with computers. Suck my dick.

>AI as it relates to today
>to today
>and especially any long-term timeline
Nice contradiction and "cover all" bullshit argument.

>You make all these proposals but have no logical way to actually make them happen.
Sorry I'm not going to google every piece of knowledge in my brain for some retard on biz. Yes let me just make the AI right now for you. I'll get right on it.
Good night retard, thank you for recognizing that I am God.

sure is march 2019 /po/ in here

sage

>>15076356
> Yes let me just make the AI right now for you. I'll get right on it.
You should. It’s what I’m doing.

>>15076387
You should use iExec so it's decentralized at the very least. Might have to wait til december to deploy it though.

>>15073785
Yeah it's not like there were any serious repercussions for 92% of the work force losing their traditional jobs. The late 19th and early 20th century was an extremely stable and peaceful period for industrializing countries.

>>15073888
>fuck you I got mine
Okay boomer, but don't be surprised when people who have nothing kill you for what you have.

>>15073477
I just realized...Andrew Yang is bizonacci! Or his team. Bizonacci is always making fun of wojack’s job being taken over by automation. Also no more bizonacci videos since his campaign