/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>15027054
Well said OP. Fight for your freedoms - don’t just sit back and let them be stripped.

>>15027054
Winning combination for sure.
They'll probably support LN payments (or you'll just atomic swap for SENT)
Things are actually looking pretty good.

>>15027054
Exactly this^^^^

The only solution is a true decentralized bandwidth network not subject to centralized control.

>>15027054
sentinel is the first attempt at something similiar, i hope they success , their project looks very solid from a tech POV

>>15027054
still not buying

>>15027245
Not everybody can see the forest through the trees. I’m sure you didn’t see the point of BTC 10 years ago either. Those that did ended up profiting greatly.

>>15027245
i didn't buy either but i wanna get exposure to sent ecosystem cause i like the project so i set up 3 dvpn nodes and im using their dvpn right now

>>15027323
It’s like mining BTC in the early days. I’ll be setting up a node this weekend. There is a anon VPS provider in the Sentinel telegram that accepts crypto for serves. I think it about $5 a month.

>>15027393
yeah ive been using his service, he can also set it up for you , so you don't have to do anything

>>15027410
Even better. That is how it should - completely turnkey without large hurdles to overcome. I will run a relay node from my home connection as well.

>>15027323
Aren't you liable for the traffic from your node. What if someone uses it for illegal activities?

>>15027291
>can't see the forest through the trees
read a book you double nigger Jesus Christ

>>15027479
ive been part of a community that has been running a tor node too for a long time, with the right practices you are ok.
we like sent and we wanna see where this project ends up, being payed for the service we were already providing for free seems nice, we will be running a premium higher spec build payed and a lower spec node for free too

>>15027459
yeah ive been trying all the services offered by sent community, on main net i will be hosting the nodes myself when i finished studying the code, till then i will use a third party provider

>>15027054

What's sentinel? I'm curious to learn more

>>15027554
Sentinel is the only decentralized bandwidth solution currently available. There are 2 or 3 other projects in the crypto space trying to do the same, but they are nowhere near to what Sentinel has developed over the last two years.

Check out all their development updates here:

Medium.com/Sentinel

Sentinel is working on the abstract commodites market. Data, and bandwidth. Other derivatives of those two will be exlpored.

>>15027054
Anything that disrupts centralized bandwidth, censorship, and internet surveillance for billions of people is going to be the future BTC. SENT is going to eventually hit BTC prices and beyond. by 2030 my A.I. algorithms say this is the only coin that will break $100k. I just bought $40K worth of SENT at the current dip

>>15027054
>Bitcoin disrupted
Bitcoin hasn't disrupted anything yet.

>>15027970
Of course it has. It has planted the seed and provided a solution to central banking. Just because you don't see it yet, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Look all over the world as centralized fiat is moving towards negative interest rates and even more manipulation. Where have citizens been turning to protect their capital?

oh gee so this is the shitcoin of the week.

>>15027970
There is 22 trillion in cross border payments. Bitcoin has put that industry upside down kid.

>>15028068
I can't contain this trash with my filters

>>15027926
Whem CME futures on idle bandwidth anon.

>>15028068

Can you say anything more constructive other than 'shitcoin'?

Can you refute the multi billion dollar VPN market that is dominated by leaks, surveillance, and logging?

Can you refute any of Sentinel's development and advanced distributed network architecture that they have quietly developed over the last two years?

Try have a constructive conversation instead of cry the same old 'shitcoin' because it is too much for you to comprehend.

I have never filtered a shitcoin before, not even bsv. But you sent faggots are so fucking diarrhea curry I will make an exception

>>15028117
Build your own luddite. Uhuhih deedee cant even figure out how to create hygiene online. Ill be with your mom tonight, expect you there. After jordan peterson and I are done dping her, I am going to give you a lesson on forskin hygienie.

SENT to free the internet and NOIA to power it, what a time to be alive.

>>15028135

Once again, another argument without any substance.

I would be more than happy to listen and discuss any legit criticism you may have of the project.

>>15028135
Everytime you say curry, I think cucked american kid looking at final death blows of globalism. Go eat a taco faggot, and clean the shit off your cities sidewalks. America is fucking filthy.

>>15028135
dude if you wanna have an actual discussion im here, come at me with actual criticism and i will gladly answer

>>15028132
No shit. These idiots dont even know there is going to be future bandwidth bottlenecks, and it'll become more scarce. Anyone who can create a robust system to sell downstream during idle hours is going to kill it. Cme already discussing products like this to hedge line the market.

>>15027054
>it’s another “decentralize everything!” meme episode

>>15028207
sentinel is the only dvpn project that has an actual set of enginners worthy of their name bahind it.
people think they can just fud software without being devs. armchair commenter are the left behind of this last generations.
they think they are protagonist while they are just spectators jumping from one shitcoin to the other forgetting the ideology that underlies the whole crypto movement.
money corrupts ideals.
by jumping from one shitcoin to the other they lost the capability to judge solid projects (if they had any in the first place)
its the same as the whore edonistic mentality , that fucks with people ability to settledown

>>15027054
>>15027054

Wtf is this OP. An intellectual discussion with well written posts and arguments??

This does not belong on BIZ!

>>15028132
This. Low volume and high volatility does not mean shitcoin. I’m holding this and ren for the long haul. If I get justed short term, so be it.

>>15028254
Why would you not support the decentralization of bandwidth and privacy?

Do you enjoy having your data sold and spied on?

Do you enjoy having every move online tracked and logged in a giant database?

Do you not value privacy and freedom of speech and unrestricted access to information?

If not, they I feel sorry for you.

>>15028306
Retard he can’t even spell. Obviously pajeet.

>>15028375
dude its ok but read the thread and participate to the discussion, it doesn't alwasy have to be that way.
that kind of fud is useless it won't change anybody?s mind

>>15026665

both these threads are for people that wanna read and have actual discussions

>>15027970
Umm cross border payments. Bitcoins spread is tighter than gold now, and you can send a million dollars for 5 bucks to anywhere. 0 paper work. No 4% to 12% fee. No bias. No rape by any entity. Are you fucking retarted?

>>15028422
Never mind 15 min settlement vs 3 to 20 days to confiscations and customs, tax authorities, theifs.

>>15028375
Poor kids spell. Rich kids code you numb nut. Take your grammer to the bank cuck

>>15027970
>Bitcoin hasn’t disrupted anything
I am sorry to hear about your mental disability.

a smart man looks through grammar mistakes and he tries to see the core of the other person argument to see the inner value that the person might not be able to express at best.
judging someone by grammar mistakes is like judging someone by the clothes they wear, all rich people i know dress like porr people with cheap clothes.
so you might say that what has value hides behind fake mischievous appearance

>>15027054

Thread of the week OP. Keep it up.

>>15028177
Curry nigger is sensitive. Pls don't shit on my street sirs

>when retards learn peer to peer is apoltical and is a computer science term that defines a state between two machines.

>when retards learn that 0 capital wants to exist in the confines of the state because it withers and dies in such a position

>when retards realize cross border capital is more regulated than your circusmscion cult

>when retards realize cross border capital is estimated 30 trillion dollar market.

>when retards realize the states number one job is to regulate and try to control offshore capital.

Or dont realize, the less rubes who understand, the more money there is still to be made.

>>15028481
International community. If you obsess over grammer. You are just a dumb fucking villager.

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>>15028108
>>15028422
>>15028476
Wake me up when businesses are building on top and your grandma is using it to buy groceries.

>>15028587
>>15026665

>>15028422
Shhh

>>15027494
This. Kek

Shilling mid dump of SENT. Anyone falling for this curry nigger shit should lose everything.

>>15028646
a settlement layer is not used by grandmas, bitcoin competes with central banks for a stable store of value with predicatble stock to flow:

bitcoin is for capital flight and capital protection
and to give a stable measure to goods when fully stabilized and past the full adoption cycle

>>15028646
Your an idiot. Your grandma has 0 need to move capital. She is a poor pesant with out a real voting stake (capital)

Bitcoin is a capital market tool. Nation states use it to settle multi billion dollar sustenance transactions that define national security. Time have the perspective of a big boy anon. Stfu, LN and btc have the most dense repos.

>>15028730
>>your an idiot.

You spelled you’re wrong you curry street shitting subhuman piece of shit.

Lol these fucking communist and their bitcoin for grandma arguments are brain dead as it gets.

>>15028757
All the shit is in San Fran lol. Sorry you can't afford to leave. Us chads are in bali.

>>15028764
Lol they talk muhh free markets than bitch about how grandma and the minority don't use bitcoin. Dirty fucking communist.

You can clearly see in these threads who understands the fundamentals of where technology and global politics will take us, and who is sitting in their moms basement with nothing better to say, crying shitcoin this and pajeet that.

Thank you for a great thread to those that took the time to write out an intellectual discussion with substance. That is a rarity on /biz/

>>15028764
its cause their bias can't make them understand that they are in shitcoins just cause they can't afford owning bitcoins.
bitcoin will become very expensive to use on the first layer so that poor people will be priced out of soverign sovranational money.
thats why shitcoins have their success they appeal to the socialist that is inside every shitcoiner, easy money looses in security and censorship resistance.
bitcoin selects for decentralization and security above all, and that scares shitcoiners, an apolitical money that nobody can control, is what weakling that thrive on welfare and live in basements fear the most.
under such standard only hard work would pay , and goverments wouldn't be able to subsidize weakness and degeneracy through money prining.
/biz fears hard money, cause hard money is weakling predeator

Lol incels do not understand the difference between user adoption and capital adoption.

Bitcoin is a capital asset. It is 10k, 99% of the world can not afford one unit. You can further inflate the unit tho.

If you want communist grandaddy freedom coin, than by marx coin or gigamegs on yobit.

>>15028877
The confused free market communist are my favorite archrypes to troll on 4chan.

>>15028788
I don’t live in San Fran. Your whole country is filled with cockroaches and shit. If I lived in that shithole I would neck myself.

>>15028857
Based. The dirty socialists shitcoiner spirit in all of us, just wants to be sovereign like the bitcoiner. But were not. Thats why we shitcoin.

>>15028877
for bitcoin to become global reserve currency only 1% of the global population must adopt it 8and you guessed it right its the richest 1%, normies like to delude themself that emocracy gives them power, while its simply the panem et circenses that were given to them so they don't create problems for the working capital pools

>>15027054
>Sentinel will disrupt centralized bandwidth
lmao retards

>>15028993
its oke, its normal, i would be doing the same if i was bitcoin poor, just understand whats the endgame, and see opportunitys when they are put in front of you

>>15028971
Detroit, Houston, san fran, nyc. All nasty.

Come to switzerland anon. Where real people live. You might be too trashy to be accepted tho. Now go back to your Kraft singles diet. Do not forget, all the top american CEOs are the pajeets you fear. your a slave

>>15029006
we are not here to argue , we are here to have a discussion with people , put forward your argument, and i will gladly wrestle with them.
having a mature discussion can be fun.
read up the whole thread, tell us what you think of the concepts outlied here

>>15029040
>put forward your argument
look at tor's bandwidth

>>15029006
At least put some effort into the fud, kid

>>15029184
yeah and ?
you need to explain more, i didn't understand your argument here

>>15029184
Your best argument is do not fix what is not broke. Awesome. Can see the baby boomer ways really cucked you.

>>15029184

TOR has been considered to be compromised for a while now by state actors. Traffic correlation attacks make it a risk proposition since there is little incentive to run a exit node.

Sentinel develops and expands on the protections of TOR by monetizing relays and node hosts.

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>>15029226
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>>15029300
i have more money than all of you combined

>>15029184
also at least for now sentinel integrates with tor with their tor exit nodes release, you will be able to funnel your dvpn data directly into tor
sentinel will become layer one solution before accessing tor for any user that requires more privacy.
the best level of privacy possible will be achieved through a probabilistic model where you will be able to route through any amount of nodes thus ensuring that if at least one of them is honest then your traffic is completely hidden.
nobody will be able to understand if you are just of many in the chain or the user who requests data

>>15029334

And what does that have to do with the current conversation? Try harder anon - I believe in you.

>>15029334
even if that was true it wouldn't really matter, we are not here to brag about who has the biggest stack of cash, but we are here to explain cutting hedge software that will disrupt the whole bandwidth industry by ubdercutting all centralized providers

>>15028646
LOL. Muh grandma. Anon. Hate to break it to you, but my friends marketing firm made a killing advertising dash like that. That is how they got it to pump. Locking up the supply in master nodes, and selling the communist argument. There are hundreds of companies building on bitcoin, Bitcoins Repos are the deepest, and everything above pretty much cleans up the international aspect of it. I am sorry you are a member of USSR 2.0 ( America ) and do not have the cognitive ability to know the difference between capital and labor markets.

>>15029334
bro, your not suppose to tell people your net-worth. Have fun being the custodian of those keys now that everyone knows.

>>15029376
people living in the west, can't fathom that they live in the most restrictive market regimes,l were every price is fixed by a central authority, the monopoly on the pricing and supply of money is in the hands of powerfull hidden interests, that now are trying to extend their powers through mass surveillance, be it in the form of a centralized digital currency like china is preppint or social networks that steal user data.

facebook will backdoor whatsapp read this article anons and undertsand like dvpn or dchat are needed:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2019/07/26/the-encryption-debate-is-over-dead-at-the-hands-of-facebook/#6ada9bf95362

>>15029515
Imagine all the telegram crypto communities realizing Telegram groups are not secure and moving to Sentinel's dChat.

>>15029561
dchat will be for the privacy consciuss people, also it will be integrated directly with sentinel blockchain so community will be able to send tokens between eachothers create daos interact with smart contracts directly inside dchat

>>15029585
This is what I am talking about anon. Development that makes it possible to build privacy focused communities all over the globe and be able to transact privately directly in the application. Why has it taken this long to get here?

>>15029660
because hard engineering problems must be solved first.
this is only possible thanks to tendermint which is cutting hedge in terms on engineering, thats why binance libra cosmos and many others decided to build on it.
sentinel was the first project after cosmos that started to build on tendermint, it is well known in cosmos ecosystem, and most of cosmos bountys got filled by sentinel team.
thats why cosmos team has delegated 500k atoms to sentinel validator.

>>15027054
and exactly how did bitcoin disrupt centralized banking and fiat control?

you have heard of tether and bitfinex right?
for something that was supposedly invented as a response to the idiocy that is the traditional financial system, it seems to be doing pretty well copying the exact same shit that goes on.

tell me, after tether implodes, along with most of the crypto market, will there even be a future for cryptocurrency?

>>15027054
>Bitcoin disrupted centralized banking and fiat control. Sentinel will disrupt centralized bandwidth
And Pocketnet will decentralize social media.

I got banned from gab, mind has a company behind it as well. Pocketnet is the new wild west a 4chan with accounts.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pocketnet/new/

>>15029999
checked and bought 100K more on the dip

I got a small bag from an anon in a thread here. That thing is gold.

>>15030046
What?

Bitcoin moves capital across borders. Tether is the offshore dollar. Bitcoin is the premium you pay to acess offshore dollar.

>>15030046
Doom fetish. You idenitfy derivatives of the market place as the whole. Quit getting drunk off of twitter head lines anon

>>15030046
bitcoin has fixed issuance rate, and can't be inflated at a whim of the head of the fed, it protects your from debasement of currency and allows you to store wealth in an asset that can't be seized.

tether is simply a capital offshoring scheme that chinese people use to access stable dollars they simply turn electricity into bitcoin and bitcoin into dollars.

tether will not implode and its backed by very powerfull entitys that are helping to chinese to flle their economy

>>15030089
>>15030101
good luck anons, never loose focus on the long term vision of the project, nice things will surely come after main net, and as the market notices more this project.

chinese people will love it

>>15030166
>>15030181

so what you're saying is that the obvious ponzi scheme and market manipulation is totally fine?

you do know this could be the end of cryptocurrency, if not at least a several year setback. This is Mt. Gox on steroids.

>>15030189
and how can this not topple the cryptocurrency system as a whole?

>>15030200
"if anyone has been to China, you would know that centralized VPN's have problems getting past China's huge censorship wall
they work for a while, before China finds their servers and blocks them
if anyone has been to China, you would know that centralized VPN's have problems getting past China's huge censorship wall
they work for a while, before China finds their servers and blocks them
then they have to find a new server
and China finds it again
and it goes on and on
and the internet speeds are so slow with a centralized vpn
They mostly ban data center ip ranges
Good luck when litterally any household in the world can become exit node"

this is the convo going on in sentinel tg chat right now, pretty good discussions happen there

https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3068962/chinas-government-starts-issuing-fines-for-vpn-use

>>15030209
>autism

>>15030225
>faggotry

>>15030209
>>15030220
its neither a ponzi scheme nor manipulation, from the start of tether it has been fudded heavily.

but as i said its just an instrument to access offshore dollars for chinese traders.

in the end i think bitfinex will be bought up by some big entitys like polo was bought by goldman.

also right now tether represents only a part of the fiat inflow market.

they will be soon moving to blockstream liquid sidechain thus making txn and issuance completely anonymmous, so that people will not be able to call "manipualtion is happening" cause it won't be in plain sight anymore.

Here is an interesting article on how TOR can not be relied on as a single solution:

https://www.pcmag.com/news/369660/hack-reveals-russian-plan-to-deanonymize-tor-traffic

>>15030279
so if tether does implode, along with most of the market, what exactly does that entail then?
I really have a hard time believing that it's as benign as you describe it, unless i'm missing something completely.

>>15030209
short btc

>>15030465
Technology will always evolve and go through cycles. New challenges will present themselves and new solutions will be found. Crypto is still a very young creation.