/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>14746099
I hope more people hear you OP

>>14746099
I hope more people hear you OP

>>14746099
Dumping all my BAT for this. Going all in.

>>14746099
Is 2.4mm holo enough for suicide insurance?

>>14746099
The benefit is insane. The cost is quite a bit tho. Considering all the fud thats been made for Holo. Currently holding over 500k of it. I want to see some promise considering it will not be on binance US. And IDEX is a pajeet exchange.

>>14746589
At least 1 million is considered suicide insurance.

>>14746608
Good cos I dont want it to be my main choice but I want to make a big profit

>proof-of-meditation
>money-of-good
>that fucking dalai lama thing

If you hold this you're a dummy. It's going nowhere. The devs are imbeciles.

>>14746666
Checked, based and redpilled

>>14746608
So you're not expecting this to go above say $1 - 10?

>>14746608
no, 1M is considered Holochad
500k is suicide stack

>>14746099
What's the make-it amount? I loaded up a bunch this morning.

>>14746591
What do we do with it? Put on hard wallet for now?

>>14746099
based!

250k should be a suicide stack. 50cents is enough to sell and buy a home with 7 acres of coffee trees and bananas in ecuador

>>14746666
that's being built on Holochain also not the same at Hot - Thats like comparing one erc20 token to another and blaming ETH for the difference

>>14746734
Learn math retard. IF they ever ship a product (and that's a big if at this point) the ceiling on this is like $.01 in the next few years. This won't be able to compete with centralized cloud hosting for a long, long time. Just look at how many services AWS offers and how cheap it is. There is essentially zero reason to switch to Holo unless it is nearly free. And even then no serious company handling any type of sensitive data would ever host their web app on a bunch of raspberry pi's set up in neets basements. They are required to comply with insanely strict security policies at both the physical layer and the software layer. This is a pipe dream project at least 5+ years from being even a niche player in the hosting space.

>>14747083
$125k would be nice, but I wouldn't call it "making it".

>>14747152
is this you?

>>14747152
are you brain-dead??? we hit $0.0025 recently so $0.01 is easily doable. this will hit $0.50 eventually. now fuck off with your stale FUD, HOLO never tried to compete with AWS (centralized) they follow a blue-ocean strategy (new market).

>>14747152
The FUD is getting good. I think it's the time to buy back in.

>>14747152
Hosting on Holo will be very inexpensive, especially of the bat. There will be more hosting providers then applications needing hosting, which means the price that hosts charge will be forced down, and thus the amount of hosting you can get with 1 holofuel credit will be extremely high. This means hosting will be very cheap, and that also drives the demand for holofuel up because it has power to provide immense amount of value in hosting power. Eventually the demand and supply will stabilize as more applications choose to build on holos framework due to the distributed nature (no centralized entities), interoperability of apps (you can brdige anything together to create forked applications in segregated shared DHT spaces), and the low cost to actually host. When it stabilizes you will have a full ecosystem of hosts and applications running autonomously around the world in a truly p2p scalable manner with no central entities. By then the price will likely be around $1 and the Mozilla partnership will be finalized.

>>14747237
Cope. It spiked because of fomo but the incompetent devs have thoroughly killed any trace of that. Everyone other than ico buyers are bagholding at this point and just begging for a quick pump so they can get out. Good luck with that.

>>14747548
i bought in january with FIAT. my bags are getting real heavy that i can tell you goy

>>14747508
Exciting times are ahead.

>>14747614
Nice job. The rest of us bought LINK and 10x since then.

>>14747777
Quads confirm Holofags eternally BTFO by LINKchads. Enjoy poverty.

Smart money is taking Link gains and putting it into Holo now. That's how you win this market in the long term. Holo will produce much higher gains from this point on.

>>14747777
cope. from all the wojaks 90% of the linkies fell for the $10 EOW meme and held all the way down kek. can't blame them the MM did a fantastic job painting the chart bullish until the last moment before the crashed it. i still hold 15k LINK btw sold 10k at $4 :)

you faggots have been shilling this chinkware shitcoin for two years
it hit an all time low last month

>>14748989
No moron it just hit ATH a month ago. Horeee shit you morons on this board are next level.

The other most pathetic FUD for Holo:
It's falling in SATs. We literally just hit an ATH at $.0026 about a month ago. This is inevitably going to be .01 near term, and much higher in the coming years.

>>14748989
This.

This has probably been the most successful long term PnD to date. There's definitely a lot of infrastructure behind this.

>>14749347
Another moron ignores >>14749331 and thinks BTC chart is what he should pay attention too.

Are people REALLY THIS FUCKING DUMB? HOT hit 44 sats when BTC was around 3500$ and now hot hit ATH in USD when when BTC was at 3x-4x that price. I feel like I am taking crazy pills.

>>14749450
the "we bleeding sats" FUD is unbelievably low effort and low IQ. we all know sats are fucking irrelevant if you have an USDT pairing.. i honestly doubled my bag when they started using the sat value as FUD

Just buy link morons

>>14747152
>implying it needs to compete with AWS to be worth billions
>implying it won't BTFO all your shitcoin platforms and take their marketcap

>>14749576
It is performing terribly relative to the broader market and will continue to do so because these boomers are in over their heads and their software doesn't work

Das rite, buy my token white boi.

>>14749842
trap fo sho

>>14749806
the software does work in alpha tests. watch the AMA on YT

Vaporware garbage this timeline was never realistic. At minimum 3 year away from launch

I've had bags since IDEX but it's going to take aa real dent with the Binance ban... buy back around then.

>>14746099
Holo will never be released. The devs can't connect more than 5 nodes and they're needing 5,000 before shipping ports. Go ask in the chat about how many nodes they have working together. You will not get an answer because the reality is fucking embarrassing. The latest update video was retarded and only highlights their incompetence. Whalefags may still pnd this, but if you're looking long term, get the fuck out.

>>14749806
>It is performing terribly relative
no. no it actually isn't. moron.

>>14749999
ehm the dent already happened the week that was announced lol still buying more if you are right. would be comfy
>>14750010
fake news. see the AMA https://youtu.be/wT3YjyyPGWo

>>14750110
I'm not watching this bullshit, they're full of lies. Remember back at the start of the year Mary said ports would ship in a week? Kek. I get my information directly from the source, the Holo dev team. Confidence is at an all time low.

a whole new, decentralized internet, aka CP sharing: the coin. Doesnt have a chance in hell. dump your bags before it goes lower.

>>14750110
Just skimmed through the TG. So they actually admitted they've only connected 3-4 nodes for Holo? Fuck me that's funny. I bet they didn't go over the CPU usage though, did they? Current tests with ports use 100% of the CPU and cause major overheating problems. It's so inefficient they're basically needing to go back and rewrite core code from scratch so that ports don't explode on a global scale.

>>14746099
I have a few k in this. I need to fill my bags asap but im a poorfag with only 2M of these things.

guys i know nothing about HOLO someone redpill me

>>14750396
pretty sure these hippy boomers can't code shit. the github is a wasteland of half baked bullshit

>>14747548
>incompetent devs

>https://cryptobriefing.com/holochain-code-review-and-distributed-computing-thoughts/

>>14750429
This is Holochain brainlet. I used it to build a light weight chat app for my friends and I. Holochain is great, even if it is a bit buggy and difficult to use.

The problem is Holo, the hosting app. It's just not going to work. This is what HOT is tied to. Holochain doesn't have a currency at all because it's not fucking needed. It's a totally useless cash grab.

Fun fact: some Holochain devs found a way to make apps visible in browsers without Holo. It will eventually come to surface when Holo implodes.

>>14746666
Nice try, Satan.

>>14750595
>It's
Fun fact: Although this is not true, even if it was, this would mean they now can block that in their code from being possible in the future. People are literally lying thought their teeth on this thread to spread FUD, my god. The ports do not use 100% of the CPU efficiency, it's actually been proven that they are immensely more efficient then running apps on other frameworks like Ethereum.

Also you always run tests at first with small scale nodes before testing larger scale quantities. That's how every company does code tests. Stay poor people.

>>14750396
>>14750595
FUD me harder incel, sorry you missed the ICO. are we now at the point where we just lie and make shit up? bullish af, reminds me of ETH back when it was still sub $1.

>>14750262
>I get my information directly from the source, the Holo dev team
larp or post source

>>14750740
Again, you're talking about Holochain, not Holo. Yes it's far more efficient than Ethereum and will be used on a global scale, but it will be without a tacked on "hosting app".

ITT: Retard "investors" who don't know the difference between Holochain and Holo.

>>14750836
How about you tack a penis on yourself faggot

>>14750836
holochain is open-source but still patented technology. go back pleb

>>14750836
Yes holochain is more efficient in its own right, as it's actually free if you dont care to host your apps. Its value prop is not only efficiency, but truly p2p, ability to easily fork apps, maleable consensus mechanisms and validation rules, naturally scalable, etc.

But the synergy of Holo with Holochain is what allows for apps to run on the traditional internet vastly more efficiently and less expensive compared to other app frameworks like Ethereum. And this bridge to the traditional internet is what will perpetuate mainstream adoption so that people like your grandpa will be using this type of tech without even knowing it. This takes time though to build, and it takes many tests via small node counts to ensure that it can operate at scale across a global network. If you are to impatient to wait a few months then shame on you, you will simply just miss the ride.

Is the holo vs holochain anon right?

>>14746579
Lol

>>14751218
Again, Holo isn't needed for hosting. You can host a Holochain app using regular hosting providers like AWS right now if you want, but the Holochain core team have developed a different way to provide "hosting" for regular users. This won't be made public until after Holo fails though.

>>14751229
They are two different things. The naming of Holo caused a lot of fighting between team members because when it fails, it will reflect negatively on Holochain. They should have called it something else, but they wanted to ride off Holochain's success for the ICO.

>>14751393
What a larp. Show us the GitHub repo of the holo chat you claim you built and maybe we’ll beieve you

Why is holo so controversial? Who to believe?

Thinking about just dumping this shitcoin.
already sold half my stack, and half my stack at the time was 200% my original buy in.
Maybe ill just hold the other half of this shitcoin for a minute. Havent decided yet.

>>14751465
They are retarded hippies, but the real issue is that they don't deliver when they say they will and people are starting to suspect these fucks can't code well enuff to finish it. I looked at the code a while ago and the networking is still written in fucking javascript. It was obvious they can't ship their holoport bricks cuz the software doesn't work, and as such the boxes are absolutely fucking useless. huge scam. RFYFL.

>>14751428
And give away my identity. Sure. It's really nothing exciting, just plain text messaging. But it's exciting seeing a completely p2p app in action. I based it off an old app I built on Ethereum a while back. It was a fun experiment, but you'd pay gas for every message and wait for confirmation kek.

>>14751516
Anyone educated or high iq enough to refute this guy?

>>14751569

>>14746933
1m+ it depends on your trading skills when the holochain ico bubble comes

>>14749842
this low quality fud is bullish as fuck

>>14751569
high IQ and educated anon here
what do you want me to refute?
The fact that he made an app that only he knows about, but he can't show it to us cause reasons? Sorry, can't do that.
Or hosting Holochain apps on AWS?
You'd probably could host them on AWS in some half-assed way. You'd basically have to rebuild Holo from scratch and it would be a shitty version of it. They guys from Humm.earth did something similar I think. So, assuming that is true, how does that change anything? The point of Holo is to provide decentralized hosting. If you want centralized hosting just use existing technologies.

>>14751465
Gee, you're in a bit of a conundrum here, bucko.
People who are shilling, are shilling cause they want to fill their bags.
People who are FUDing are doing so, not because they want to fill their bags with cheap HOT, but because they are good guys and they care about YOUR financial well-being. Coincidentally these good guys are well informed about the project and are just sharing the information with the rest of "the gang" and in no way they create intricate bullshit FUD to keep newfags like you away.

im not trying to be a dick, but can someone tell me what arthur brock has actually accmplished? ive looked around and seen some of his projects hes been involved in, but does he have any notable accompishments or background held any prestigious positions at other companies?

>>14751818
>can someone tell me what arthur brock has actually accmplished?
He's amazing at monetizing his daughter. Imagine what he could do for Holo.

>>14751569
>>14751814
Yes you can host Holochain apps on AWS etc. Some are doing that now. Should Holo ever work, it will be slower and more expensive than other solutions, but the point is decentralization.

>>14750413

>>14752272
WHERE CAN I BUY HOLO?

>>14752582
binance. but this is long hold faggot. dont cry if you're in the red for a while

>>14751393
who exactly is your source or are you larping

It's called holo because your money will disappear like a hologram

>>14751569
if you're right, then the price of Holo will still go up because of hype and confidence over Holochain.

>>14752627
THANKS! i don't mind i want to get out of QNT and HOT looks comfy as fuck. chart is also bullish

>>14752671
damn wrong anon. meant for >>14751516

>>14752582
Idex, Binance.
if you can't figure something like this you shouldn't bother

linkies working overtime trying to get above 3$, only hope they have is to try and dissuade as many hot holder to buy their bags at the high price

>>14746099
Fud: KYC. No need to use HOT to host. Team hypes, but does not deliver on time

just bought 17million. chart looks like its ready to pump

>>14752724
>KYC
?
>No need to use HOT to host.
even if true, it'll be tied to market confidence in Holochain aka speculation like eth.
>Team hypes
they're actually quite reserved.
>does not deliver on time
this is true. but eh, id rather wait for better product

HOT/ETH pair...

noticed how pointless is to try to trade HOT/BTC on binance. maybe if they added an extra decimal in their. binance fags could be taking advantage of the massive spread.

>>14746099
How about it his 50 sats first before telling me its the next eth okay?

>>14746099
This is the literal General Magic of crypto. Their ideas will persist and be achieved, but not by them.

>>14752763
You don't know anything about the project and don't understand ethereums value.
>Even If true
The state of nolinkers. Research research research

>>14752755
Based Christ dubs. My body is ready

Using AWS defetes purpose of Holo and would be a half ass solution. The whole point of this project is truly distributed P2P apps, and Holo is necessary for that. The code is not JavaScript crap either, it's being written in rust and it's all over the GitHub, just look for yourself. This is not your typical cop and paste code project, this is a new paradigm shift that will result in anew breed of ico frenzy P2P apps. I'm steadily accumulating right now, as should all.

Dozens of alt coins in the green today 5%, 10%, 15%... Holo? In the red like usual. That’s my boy, never change

It's in the green today, brainlet.

I believe.

It's up like 10% today not that it matters much. This is a long hold that will make many people very wealthy. Just let it sit for 1 year and come back and look and you will be ecstatic.

https://medium.com/@allianceblock/allianceblock-and-holo-announce-a-strategic-partnership-899e948c9ede

AllianceBlock Team:
I.N. A. Ghaddar, PhD
Co-Founder
Before co-founding AllianceBlock, Amber was a fixed-income trader at JP Morgan in London. She started her career in Global Investment Research at Goldman Sachs, and moved from there to the Cross Asset Solution team at JP Morgan in 2012, where she worked on structured and exotic products across Equities, FX, Rates, Credit and Commodities. Later, she spearheaded the Macro Systematic Strategies effort at JP Morgan, focusing on dynamic risk premia trading strategies. She graduated from HEC in 2011 with a Master in International Risk Management.

Matthijs de Vries, Co-Founder
Matthijs has managed the product development of one of the largest Dutch companies: PostNL. There, he was responsible for several software development departments and related departments in order to lead an entire software development chain before switching companies to lead the development of several unique AI products amongst which a ground-breaking chatbot.

https://medium.com/elrondnetwork/elrond-initiates-cooperation-with-holo-a-scalable-agent-centric-distributed-computing-platform-913ced2299c3


One by one they all move to HOLO as it's the only decentralized network that can scale.

why is it dumping?

>>14753601
>>14753919

it has been at 13 sats all day what are you fucking retards talking about? That bitcoin went up?

>>14753629

dubs. thank you

>>14753629
And one by one casual investors will begin to see that this network is necessary and the future.

Brainwashed holo holders will try and tell you it’s way in the green today and doing wonderful . Lol. Bag holders of this coin remind me a lot of religious extremists who believe in something with unwavering conviction, and if you point out the obvious, they will deny it till their last breath. If this continues dumping to 3 sats , you will still have the same few blind holo shills that will come in here and insist it’s performing wonderfully

>>14751229
Idk but it doesn't matter because the token will go up due to hype .

>>14754512
Keep strawmanning. We expect to be in the red for a while before making it.

>>14754512
Oh wow a coin is in the red? This is so enlightening! Do yourself a favor and buy some blockchain fork of Ethereum that will have the same issues that we have today. Us Holo holders have are bags packed for the future and are willing to wait for a product that will change the game. You might catch a few random pumps here or there, but the Holo pump will be much greater. I've been in this space since 2016 and have been early on some of the best projects to date. Nothing is as promising as Holo, and nothing will likely compete.

why does this shee always dump?
Why boomers?
Why femminsts?
Why naked feets?
would you ever invest in these things?
Would you invest in a iota without the 2017 hyype?

The devs are getting desperate...basically the refurbished Mac minis from specs over a year ago can't run the base node hahahahhahahahahah

>>14754755
So you’ve been here since 2016, and didn’t make it during the 2017 bull run ? You obviously didn’t buy a shit ton of btc or eth. Sounds like you’ve picked some real winners

>>14754512
>brainlet phone-poster once again thinks that BTC mooning means HOT is bad.

Let's take a look at the HOT/USD Chart, shall we?
>RSI @ 40
>MACD ready

Use your brain for once and think about the potential gains and stop worrying about a tranny and some boomers. This shit has a cult following and will explode regardless of the recent delays.

>>14754755
>Us Holo holders have are bags packed for the future
Holochain is a centralized piece of shit
you can't host tings that the team don't want
Scalability can be solved with off chain computation and putting on chain just the result, 2 layer computation -->putting on chain
Beside this: holochain 's team is HORRIBLE filled with femminists and dreaming boomers

No one would ever invest in naked feets boomers, anyway I have a 350k bag, just ''for fun'' / diversifying

>>14755397
>Scalability can be solved with off chain computation and putting on chain just the result, 2 layer computation -->putting on chain
HAHAHAHAHAHA

$0.1 inevitable. $0.2 likely and $0.5-1$ is the moon

>>14749450
>>14749576
t. retards. muh sats dont matter? whales caused the pump to take your juicy sats just in time for the btc run. hot was 0,0015 then and it is 0,0015 now, meanwhile those who took your sats made almost 5x from there. Keep coping while whales bleed you dry. Maybe you'll get your 5 or 10x in dollar but it'll be 1-2 in sats meaning those buying now will make much less than staying in btc

>can't go all in on LINK and HOT by definition

Pretty sure LINK moons before HOT, though.

>>14755397
This was the dumbest thing I have seen on Biz before. Props to you good sure, that was a great laugh. Seriously people though, watch anything with Mathew Schutte about Holochain on YouTube, or dive into him cook the CFO from Mozilla talking about why they love the Holo/holochain vision. There's a reason for the hype.

>>14755867
Do you really think BTC will go straight up forever? Last alt season started when BTC was at roughly 66% market dominance, which is where it sits today. However, we have stronger and better alts then ever before, this is due for a correction back to the norm and it will happen in due time where projects will gain sat value quickly. Have fun holding BTC at the top and missing the real moon missions. And I'm pretty fucking happy with the fact that HOT has maintained high USD levels while almost every other coin in the market has tanked or remained recked with BTC pumping.

>>14756153
BTC is tripping before year's end, on top of that binance kicking out the US is in two months and they are already showing signs of desperation...there will be no alt season in 2019, random pumps with mostly new coins that you can actually speculate against, old coins are dead

>>14755494
>Scalability can be solved with off chain computation and putting on chain just the result, 2 layer computation -->putting on chain
It's true, incel

>>14755332
Look at the RSI on Req, it's highly oversold.

>>14756121
>This was the dumbest thing I have seen on Biz before
because you are a retarded that fall for all the buzzwords ''3000000 TPS''
LN and off chain computations solve scalability
Prove me wrong, if you can
>he won't

The ETH Genesis wallet are buying more Holotokens BULLISH!!!!

>>14756553
Serious?

>>14754512
USA-based holo whales were forced to dump in fear of not being able to sell after binance blocks them.

don't worry, they'll buy back when holo is on binance US.

>>14747777

>>14756749
USA doesnt hold holo they hold junk like ripple and nano