/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>14179608
Sure, but first you: write me an essay detailing the importance of math in the development of the hard sciences

>>14179608
Taking into account the current yield curve issue as well

>>14179628
Topkek is that literally your homework anon?

>>14179608
AMD??? It will impact the every stock on every exchange! Anyone who is downplaying how massive the collapse of this bank will be is a fucking absolute retard of the most epic proportions!

>>14179668
Can you explain why? Speak to me as if I was bottom-tier brainlet

Bump for conversation about something other than shitcoins. Also buy BTC and LINK

>>14179608
Why is it that I've only seen this "deutsche bank is on the verge of collapse" on 4chan? I haven't seen any article talking about it on google

>>14180027
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/25/deutsche-bank-and-commerzbank-merger-talks-collapse.html

Really? The collapse won't be televised on CNN until it's too late goy

>>14179999
checked, will do

>>14180027
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/bond-market-signaling-stock-market-slowdown-societe-generale-2019-6-1028280239

>>14179667
That's a great little cartoon

>>14180027
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/14/this-chart-shows-why-everyone-on-wall-street-is-so-worried-about-the-yield-curve.html

>>14179628
Statistical analysis of experimental findings is the basis of confirming scientific discovery. (then just bs the rest)

>>14180124
@owenbroadcast / owen Benjamin on Twitter

>>14179817
This should help for comparison. Lehman bros. pre collapse had a total combined asset value of $600 billion and it triggered the recession of 2007/8. Deutsche bank currently has net holding of over $1.6 trillion dollars on paper. So total asset value is most likely somewhere between $2-3 trillion dollars with leveraged exposure.

Some financial autist give us the basic gestalt of what happens when the Germans fuck the world for a 3rd time.

>>14179667
this comic is scary pls delete

>>14180179
Thank you for the best reply so far

>>14180179
what are their holdings?
what bags are they going to dump

>>14180333
Scary because of how accurate it is?

>>14179628
Simple. Math = nature's language. The rest is humans deciphering how nature works. We haven't invented shit.

>>14179608
DB cannot fail because it is too big to fail. Haven't you paid any attention in the past decade? The ECB will rather give them trillions for nothing.

>>14180179
bonjour deutsche

doomp eet

>>14180357
Pretty much every top performing stock and blue chip that you can imagine. Holdings ranging from millions to hundreds of billions per stock holding.

>>14180428
There is literally nothing left to save them with. You can hold out hope, but the truth is, when it all comes down, there is no central bank that will bail them out, it will have to be a global cabal or joint central bank venture, and that will never happen.

>>14180179
Bs the company’s market cap is $13 billion so it can’t possibly have that much in assets.

>>14180428
so why dont you take a huge loan and invest in DB stock?

>>14180573
Holy shit you are a brain dead fucking retard! That is their fucking stock value you absolute fucking mong!

>>14180573
Actually it can retard. Do you know how liabilities work? It could have a quadrillion is assets and still be worth 0 if it owes more than those holdings

>>14180550
>that will never happen

>>14180550
The ECB already regularly hangs out LTRO loans in the trillions. Nothing stops them from handing out say a 10 trillion euro loan to DB for 1 year, and 11 trillion the year after, and so on. There would be rising inflation and unhappiness among some people, but the will of the people by and large doesn't matter. Not that it would be sustainable in the long run, but if it can help the people in power enrich themselves for a bit longer they'll do it obviously.

>>14180583
Just because they'll be bailed out in some form doesn't mean their stock will do particularly well, especially considering inflation and we don't know how much further it can drop beforehand. I don't just buy any crypto shitcoin either on random good news if it doesn't have good fundamentals overall.

>>14180718
The ECB would not be able to stop the cascading domino effect that would ensue. Sorry, but it wouldn't be able to issue LTRO loans large enough that it wouldn't also collapse the EURO and set off hyper inflation at the same time. Not to mention the immediate run on the banks that would follow.

>>14180946
>Sorry, but it wouldn't be able to issue LTRO loans large enough that it wouldn't also collapse the EURO and set off hyper inflation at the same time.
Hyperinflation is my bet where this is going in the medium term, yes, but I don't see why they couldn't keep this game up for a bit longer with more aggressive LTRO / QE / lower interest rates or whatever else you want to use.

It wouldn't take trillions now, but a few 100 billion could keep them afloat for a while, and afterwards that's just a few more 100 billion and then a handful of trillion. If there's acute systemic risk they're probably already coordinating such rescue measures.

Where there's a will there's a way. The people can take some more inflation. So let them repopulate the villages instead of living in the cities. We can use the sharing economy (with climate change arguments) to take car and home ownership away from them.

Interesting take on Italian banks in LTRO btw, though I haven't verified the claims: http://trumanfactor.com/2012/ltro-ponzi-7194.html

>>14179608

The german Gov would never ever drop deutsche bank.
It will mostly get nationalized in a crash because the system depends on them too much.

>>14181657
They can try to slow the train by doing this, but it cannot be stopped from derailing.

>>14181699
Checked