/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>13964437
Basically, CSW made up some claims of bitcoin possession in his previous conversation with Ira, and is now being sued based on his claims.

He stole them and made up some trust

I mean, these were my main questions:

>How exactly does the whole thing work then?
>Who has the keys?
>Who even has the power to decide when anything gets unlocked?

>Does it even exist?
>Who brought it up first?

Is there a timeline for the whole thing?

>>13964558
>Who has the keys?
The odds are, nobody. The published addresses were fake.

>>13964437
Have sex. Then read this:

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6309656/kleiman-v-wright/
https://www.scribd.com/document/403759392/Kleiman-Wright-discovery-meeting-transcript
https://www.scribd.com/document/405108387/Faketoshi-Deposition-Order
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6309656/159/kleiman-v-wright/

>>13964572
I'm reading through the first link right now, and I'm already annoyed how some things are seemingly accepted as fact by the main document, such as Craig and Kleiman were there at bitcoin's inception (and were most likely involved) and that they mined over 1 million bitcoins.

But in regards to the specifics in my questions, they sound just as clueless as I am.

>>13964893
Technically, bitcoin private keys are a very bad choice for any kind of mutual ownership (or a trust). Once you own a private key, you own it for good. Give it away, you still can access it.

if he had those bitcoins and kleiman was such a GOOD friend to him he wouldn't mind giving his wife and kids the bitcoins.

but as everything with csw, just lies, lies lies lies and more lies

>>13964893
You'll have to read it all and all the attached exhibitc to get a clear picture. Bottom line is that Craig is Satoshi. Ira Kleiman is suing Craig for his coin because he think that Dave Kleiman and Craig mined the coins together. Craig's stance is that he mined them alone.

>>13965067
Read the court files and you will see emails where Craig reach out to Daves father and tell him about his involvement in bitcoin etc and that he can try to help get access to his coins etc. Then Ira, Daves brother, comes in the picture and get greedy. It's all there in the files and it's hell of an interesting read

>>13965125
Throughout this lawsuit Craig has a history of providing addresses that he doesn't own

All you need to know someone is paying Indians two rupees an hour to slide Chanel No. 4 with pro-CSW bread.

>>13965162
No, that is not true. Here is the original document with the adress. It does not contain the adress that is in the forged document. You are being bamboozled by people that have a monetary interest of keeping Craig in the shadows for as long as possible

>>13965125
just an excuse so he can justify his behaviour, different day same shit, there is always reason X to NOT do Y whereas Y has always something to do with being satoshi

>>13965227
They're both original, dude

>>13965227
so craig goes into this guys office with his phone, this guy looks at the phone and then years later can remember 5 unique addresses?

how?

he make no mention of writing the addresses down or looking at the addreses on another PC where he would have a record of this

>>13965233
>>13965245
>>13965280
I'm not going to hold your hands anylonger. Do your own research or you will lose everything

Get a room, IDGAF if CSW is Satoshi or not.
No one is answering my original main questions.

Who is controlling the keys?
They keep saying the bitcoins were transferred to a trust in Seychelles or a trust somewhere else.
But that's not how bitcoin works AT ALL.
Bitcoin works anywhere globally, it's not "transferred" to specific locations.
This sounds like something written by boomers who only have experience with classic assets like stocks.

WTF is a trust anyway?
Who controls the keys in a trust?
The court? CSW? Some lawyer?

>>13965301
Did enough of it

>>13965125
bear in mind, the (unproven and probably mythical) existence of these '1 million +' bitcoin is still to the advantage of both parties to exist. Ira as he seeks to claim they belonged to Dave, and creg as they would go some way to proving he was Satoshi, or would at least still be there if he ever finds the key.
creg promised Ira -from memory, need to double check actual figure- '$18 million now. or more, if he waited..' That creg seems to be attempting theft from Dave Kleiman (or estate of) appears obvious ('forged signatures on asset transfer docs, trying to get Daves laptops from the possession of Daves aged father, etc) - but a lot of the rest of this horseshit - 'Tulip Trust' etc - appears to have originated with either the Australian Tax Case against csw, or his attempts to hold off Ira from looking too deeply into what assets of Daves creg has theoretically stolen. tldr, one side appears -extremely- dishonest and it is to the advantage of the other to play along with parts of this for the present

>>13965227
Bullshit
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.24.4.pdf
Page 38

>>13965308
the keys were destroyed. all the early BitCoin were spent in a nLockTime transaction that unlocks in Jan 2020. The transaction hasn't been broadcast. Yet.

>>13965638
>The transaction hasn't been broadcast. Yet.
The absolute state...

>>13965638
Is this the best answer I'm gonna get?
So they're basically fighting in court over a trust that may not even exist?

>>13965638
yes, of course. The keys shall be delivered on 1.1.20 by Santa riding the Flying Loch Ness Monster. I have pictures as proof, but Gef the Talking Mongoose told me, Code is not Law, so I won't show it. To no-one. never
>>13965781
yes

>>13965660
yes BitCoin works offline

>>13965781
everything is connected to the question if CSW is Satoshi (which he isnt)

CSW is a government backed con created as a means to derail decentralized currency.

Either that or he's just a con.

I’ll just drop this here

>>13965872
aaaaaannnndddd, just where did this 'brand new laptop' come from, again, remind me?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnXUe3wV-4M

>>13965919
Is this a way of coping for you? Craig is now also a street magician who can fool one of the most well respected cryptographers in the world?

>>13965919
Why are you so convinced he’s not satoshi?
Inb4 he won’t sign, he can’t code, he’s a moron

Also inb4 bit coins /BitCoin

>>13966070
he can't sign, he can’t code, nobody likes him and even if pigs start flying and he is satoshi nobody would like or trust him

>>13966036
>Craig is now also a street magician
Who knows?

>>13964437
CSW = Satoshi; thats the only thing you need to know to keep it short. All other implications what that means for BTC/BCH/BSV can be derived from that. Pro Tip: He owns ~5% of the total supply of each and is pissed and angry. Make your own conclusions.

>>13966036
>>13966070
you are avoiding the issue, again, as per. so where DID this 'brand new laptop' come from? Did it fall from the heavens, freshly wrapped ???
>>13966138
>he is pissed
I'm shocked. Shocked, I tellyer

>>13965067
you gotta be careful there's some spinned misinformation out there to make CSW look like a total scam artist.

Be it on purpose or from trolls, - once you get your docs from an official site (eg court, business registers, archives) you notice the tampering on the stuff that's on some more 'public' websites.

CSW is SN - if you investigate that claim of him properly you will come to the conclusion that he's truthful and legit.

>>13966138
>He owns ~5% of the total supply of each
Anon, I...

>>13966196
>spinned misinformation out there to make CSW look like a total scam artist
lel
>once you get your docs from an official site (eg court, business registers, archives)
nope - even when we use court docs as a source, he still claims 'oh , those are forged as well. Perps unknown'
>CSW is SN - he's truthful and legit
not a SINGLE provable shred of evidence to suggest such, other than hearsay and stuff HE'S ALREADY BEEN CAUGHT FORGING. He is anything but 'legit'

>>13965308
>No one is answering my original main questions
Weird huh

>>13966171
dude he likly made a 1on1 session to keep his privacy and not bust full public, which had more grave consequences.

It's not only the GA signing, there's shitloads of other hints and indicators that CSW=SN.

>>13966257
No one knows the answer so the thread derailed. Funny huh?

he posted 2 days ago on his website that he will prove all in court and only there cause he doesn't give a fuck about keys and signing. he also wrote he will only provide whats minimum neccessary to make you core faggots shut up. also you annoy him with your constant tinfoil hat theories like that "brand new
laptop" bullshit in this thread here.

i would take this man seriously.

>>13966305
he's likely also pissed cause he's a 50yo grown ass man and has to deal all the time with majorly 20-30yo immature man-children that comprise the majority of this sector.

>>13966270
>there's shitloads of other hints and indicators
Yep, like when he bought the bitcoin.org domain and posted about it on his medium.

>>13966257
>>13966286
Yeah...
As I said, IDGAF if he's Satoshi or not, but people just kept coming in here claiming he is.

I don't care, I want to know the details of the trust.
Who holds the keys in a trust?
What is a trust even?
How does it work?

These are the questions I want answered.
I don't care if CSW is Satoshi, or if he stole a million bitcoins from Dave Kleiman, or if it is all fake.

I just want to know how the trust they are all fighting about is supposed to work anyway.

>>13965412
Talking to brainlets is meaningless. It's going to take 8 months before they get mass-humiliated and Craig is left with nothing to larp about. To make things more interesting, you might as well screen cap their larp. Until that point, they'll still keep respawning like NPCs.

I don't think you could crash BTC to zero even with a million bitcoins. Someone just tried it on the BTC/CAD pair on Kraken, and all they ended up doing was wasting a whole bunch of bitcoins, while some lucky schmo ended up buying a ton of btc for $100.

>>13965093
>Craig's stance is that he mined them alone.

hilarious considering he originally claimed him and dave worked together.

>craig brings dave kleimans into his lies/scam as soon as he dies
>daves family say ok you owe us his bitcoin
>craig now getting sued by daves family
>if craig loses then he owes them bitcoin that he doesnt even have
>craig btfo once again by his own lies

>>13966337
says HOSTING there, Bub. Hosting is not the same as Domain

>>13967397
AnonymousSpeech allows you to register a hosting package for a domain you don't own. That's the context behind the screenshot.

>>13965872
If Craig had those coins in a trust that is in someone else possession, he wouldn’t have the keys

>>13966112
B-b-but I bought BSV!!

>>13967554
I've seen several people say this and this is EXACTLY what I'm asking, WHO is holding the keys to the trust then??
How can a court even dictate who gets the keys?
That's the entire point of bitcoin, they can confiscate land, they can confiscate cash in your bank, stocks in your portfolio.
But they can't take your keys

How did the keys end up in someone else's control then?
And WHO are they?

>>13967656
I read some of those court papers but I don’t remember if it said who holds the keys. Craig himself seems to imply he can’t touch the trust which would mean he doesn’t have the keys. Maybe it’s the lady Nguyen person that gets mentioned., if any of this is even legit

>>13966684
it makes news headlines which is all it takes to draw in dumb money. I'm just worried that all the "fake news" will ruin any trust people could have in cryptocurrencies; which maybe the whole idea is fucked anyways considering new ones are created/forked daily

>>13967701
Not the first, nor the last

>>13965011
multisig is ok tho also you can timelock it

Everything Craig says is a lie.
He is not Satoj
There is no tulip trust.

you kids have no clue whats coming for you. Currently the perception of CSW and BSV is thats it a huge pile of shit. what you discover after a deeper research into all this is that true gold is hidden under that pile of shit. Once you see it you'll switch camps from BTC to BSV in literally no time. It's not easy YET to see through all this garbage and thats why the price is still low. As soon as CSW will humiliate this Libel Dude Peter McCormick who talked shit about him on Twitter in court the coming days (where he will prove to the court -not to you faggots- that he is SN) it will become more and more obvious that CSW is for real and not
some scam - and then the price will skyrocket hardcore even more than the last 2 weeks.

>>13968031

>>13968031
>under this steaming mountain of shit be GOLD! honest kids!
yaddayadda - It would appear to most normal-thinking people, it be in cregs best interests to clear up any remaining misunderstandings (of which there are many) over his claim to be Satoshi ASAP ? Its just, he keeps delaying brininging this case against Peter McCormack, the one in which he claims he is going to provide proof ? Or, claiming Peter is 'running scared' of going to court against him - another claim which, to the best of my knowledge, be horsehit, utter - as per ? SO - why then doesn't creg bring this 'case' before court, where he can finally 'provide proof' ? Odd. isn't it
>>13968098
its neither. stfu, you embarrassing yourself. again

>>13968031
Nah, if a billionaire boomer and a LGBT lawyer win over some Twitter loudmouth, it's not big news. The real humiliation will come in January 2020. But we need a massive collection of screenshots with larp and threats to make history for years ahead. Imagine the lulz when the shills see their posts in several months.

>>13968137
>has the legal knowledge of a standard child
>doesn't know that proof of btc ownership makes the AOT/IRS salivate
>doesn't know that proof of btc ownership makes him liable as negligent or with criminal intent for others' illegal uses of btc
>doesn't realize that keeping his btc stash private is literally keeping the hounds away

>>13968180
>a billionaire boomer
which 'billionaire' be this then, pray tell ?
>>13968199
Has no answer. Babbles shite

>>13968199
Good reasons why the real Satoshi would not come out

>>13968216
Ayre

Imagine a narcissist tells a man that his brother had a million quintillion dollarydoos in a secret bank account offshore, and so the man sues the narcissist for the money without proving it exists, having any documentation at all proving ownership, having any proof it was stolen, and having even any proof the brother was involved in it at all. That's basically the whole suit. The lawyers involved should be disbarred for vexatious litigation.

>>13968235
>Ayre
'..Forbes estimated Ayre's net worth to be "at least $1bn". It proved to be the peak of his earning power. "At the time, they undervalued it," he says. "There's no way I'm worth a billion now, but I'll be a billionaire for the rest of my life because of that article."..'
fairplay Calvins doubtless certainly nearer to being one than the actual plaintiff in any case which actually proceeds against McCormack. Dont hold your breath waiting tho

>>13968239
>vexatious litigation
so why would 'somebody' go to the bother of forging Daves signatures on asset transfer docs, if there were no assets anyway? You could get done for fraud, y'kno

>>13968377
Narcissism. To Craig getting hit with perjury and fraud is worth it to him because he is trying to maintain his delusion that he is Satoshi.

>>13968137
he's not some illiterate retard who busts his load on the first possible occasion. this man has an agenda and he's planning his moves, what he reveals and what not (he even blatantly states this in his medium). you faggots have been warned, CSW is not some muppet like the vast majority in this market. you really think you're smarter than this guy? he's also a hard worker, incredibly dedicated. Read his material, watch his videos and DYOR.

>>13968464
>he's planning his moves, what he reveals and what not
thats nice dear. I'm sure they'll be a Judge (or more) along very shortly, offer Mr Moves here a helping hand with drawing up his document release schedule

>>13968464
The deadline is January 2020, remember? That's when the whole agenda collapses. He's desperately trying to delay it as much as possible. The humiliation will be remembered FOR YEARS.

>>13968505
>>13968506
How about you braindead retards spend 20minutes of your precious sunday and do some lookup into him, his website and his claims without an initial bias?
Otherwise enjoy poverty fucking clowns.

>>13968529
You think I did not do it?

>>13968199
this

>>13965227
thats a forgery sorry originals have been submitted in 2013

>>13965301
>Do your own research
Why are DYORs always gullible simps with no critical skills that believe everything they read on forums and blogs?

>>13968538
You did either not or you did sloppy research and did buy any shit they throw at him directly at face value without deeper questioning.

>>13964437
He didn't steal it. It was left to him if his partner died via tulip contract. The family member sueing wants it, but it was not left to him. The family member wants it in fiat, which would heavily wreck the crypto market.

Craig can't take it before January 1st 2020 as per the Tulip contract, so they're going to court.

>>13968647
>Craig can't take it before January 1st 2020
Yeah, yeah, sure. What stops him from typing his private key in the bitcoin client?

>>13968647
Additionally, no one is accusing him of murder except the retards on here that have absolutely no basis for it.
I'm not worried about this at all and will continue to support BSV. Once the courts are over and the Tulip contract is enacted I'm going to feel really bad for the people who stuck with BTC core.

>>13968688
That's what the contract was for. if he violates it he's going to be in a world of shit.
He has to be cautious, play it smart and follow the law, which is in line with what he wants with BTC- law compliance.
Just be patient. Get your panties out of a bunch,

>>13968430

>>13968707
How are they gonna check it? Through the blockchain explorer?

>>13968647
CSW owned 1.1mil BTC and Kleiman should organize the administration of that. CSW had a shitton of problem with the Australian Tax Authorities , even when he proved over and over again to be as MAX compliant as he can be and designing Bitcoin initially to be conformant with the law ("Bitcoin is Money"). He has a background in ITSec and Auditing so he was aware of the problems that could arise. He was actually best bros with Kleiman for years, even before Bitcoin and you can look up old conversations between them archived in Mailing Lists. This whole thing that Kleiman should take care of the 1.1mil BTC add up the more you look into it. Of course you have to be an 80+ IQ person that puts in the time to look at the whole thing to discover that and not some subhuman shit thats blindly swallowing any anti-CSW shilling.

>>13968746
I gotta start accumulating screencaps before January 2020.

>>13968688
It's also extremely risky if not stupid to directly out himself publicly with a key signing. Not only because of Authorities but also plenty of other things. The smartest thing would be as he is actually doing it: Confirming in private as he did with eg GA and keeping this whole thing in a shady balance. Also signing with keys is worthless, then there would be other shit he gets thrown at, like he stole it from Dave Kleimans death bed etc. The only legit option is getting confirmed in court, and thats what he's aiming for.
Just look at which ridicolous details they come up against him, really mad. So the court is his only option.

>>13968808
you gonna need a bigger hard drive. This whole thing adds up the more you look at it

>>13968911
>So the court is his only option.
So. Why. Doesn't. He. Go. Then ? ? ?

will any of the bsv shills admit on january 21th 2020 that csw is a fraud and that you have been wrong all the time,
NO MATTER WHATEVER BULLSHIT HE WILL COME UP?

>>13968732
Just do your research and stop being paranoid. The info is there.

>>13968967
you already know the answer to that one anon. sadly.

>>13968911
>It's also extremely risky if not stupid to directly out himself publicly
>So the court is his only option.
lolwut?

>>13968970
Done it, not paranoid at all.

stock up on anti corecuck memes
>>13968653

>>13968933
check his website. I think it was this May where he had the Kleiman trial, the process is ongoing. Then he is suing this Twitter punk/faggot Peter McCormack who talked shit about him online. He also threatened to sue now that clown that also claimed copyright to the Bitcoin Whitepaper (woah..). In any of these cases he might deliver solid prove he is SN. This CSW bomb could detonate -in my opinion cause i don't know the court dates- anytime the next weeks to maximum months. Maybe its even days, i didn't look that up as said but it will definitly be soon.

>>13968746
>>13968911

Exactly. People should also keep in mind that paid anti-craig shills have been caught, that ginger autists against Craig was caught using multiple reddit accounts to shill against him, even responding to himself through accounts.
Lots of people want BSV to fail, and it's predominantly criminals, hookers, anarchists and commies, and BTC core cucks who don't want to lose money. Too much at stake for them not to shill against Craig.
It will all sort it'self out with time. For now, I'm backing the technology and applications, even if the odd chance Craig is proven a fraud, the legitimate investment and technology is worth the investment alone and will succeed anyways.

>>13968933
He is in court, you mong. HIs last twitter post encapsulated that.

>>13968967
Admitting he's a fraud is not enough. It must be about humiliation. It would be a good idea to screencap the most obscene larp by genuine, unironic believers and in the end, compile a shameful collage which would make them cringe when they find themselves in it. Also emphasize nChain's rampant homosexuality. It will be remembered FOR YEARS. Until then, they'll keep respawning like NPCs.

>>13969052
just imagine the way he professionally does this via nChain. They have already 700 patents only for the blockchain. The way they approach this whole thing, with best practice standards etc., is LEVELS above what the average team of 20-30yo cucks like Core, ADA or ETH is doing. Eg He has literally a team of hardcore C++ veterans (each 20+ years coding exp) researching for him. The way Craig approaches this whole blockchain thing is champions league and not comparable with this improvised bullshit the other projects are doing.

>>13969023
Kleiman trial, in which he is getting his arse handed to him thus far btw, he's filing in reverse - 'heres some EVIDENCE' - but that's faked ? - ' WE take that BACK' etc
McCormack, he refuses to file, see: >>13968137
'ppl hes threatened' - yeah well, theres a few of those. isn't there
tldr, what fucking case is he going to 'provide proof' in here, finally ?
>>13969068
Thought he wasn't on Twitter, for, eh, 'reasons' ? What fucking case do you mean, Forida is only current afaik ?

>>13969052
>Lots of people want BSV to fail, and it's predominantly criminals
Calvin Ayre is backing it, though

>>13969122
nChain is funded by Calvin Ayre, Craig is just "the company face"

>>13969125
There's plenty of distraction, forged fake material and an active agenda that tries to suppress him. I will quote this anon:
> Lots of people want BSV to fail, and it's predominantly criminals, hookers, anarchists and commies, and BTC core cucks who don't want to lose money. Too much at stake for them not to shill against Craig.

>>13969184
Look up Ayre's bio now

really ...i gave it all here to you guys. DYOR and make the correct conclusions or enjoy poverty.
/ saged

>>13969184
>predominantly criminals, hookers
no thats the Coingeek after show you thinking of

>>13969199

>>13968967
If it turns out to be untrue I will apologize with a time-stamp and admit defeat.

My question is, will you guys apologize or admit defeat? Seems unlikely.

>>13969202
Naw. all promotions and after parties have girls hired.
Stop being so new.

>>13969272
>PROSTITUTES !
>30% PROSTITUTES !!!
nothing like a good bit of hypocrisy, is there tho

>>13966119
Man this fucking guy is a joke and is ruining 4chan

>>13969240
fairplay, we need to make up some rules on this tho
>looks for a smartcontract inventor

>>13969240
ofc i will, will show you my worthless 1.1btc

>>13969285
None of those women were grinding on people or sucking dick.
stop getting mad because women are capitalizing on what's natural- their looks.
The women at the conference/ party were less secure and bitchy about this than you. kek.

BTC activity goes to actual prostitution, roughly 30% of it. That's where the real problem is.
No one wants to go to a sausage fest party. Deal with it.

>>13969333
Even regular girls who aren't prostitutes don't want to go to sausage parties and be surrounded by a bunch of beta men. Calvin may be surrounded by whores but notice Craig keeps attractive classy women around him. A few whores around creates competition which attracts women.

>>13969394
>implying creg aint Calvins whore
and not just 30%, no, Sir

>>13964437
i have very bad news for you core faggots straight from Craigs boss.

>>13969489
>air tight
so do it already
put up or stfu, finally

>>13969489
Z.
This is nothing but politicizing the issue.

>>13969489
https://coingeek.com/peter-mccormack-craig-wright-bitcoin-libel-claim/
unbiased reportage from coingeek as per.
b-but I thought, Peter was 'running scared' ?>popcorn

>>13969394
Excellent post.

>>13965203
Sir, Please delete this factually untrue comment

>>13965308
Your asking questions only CSW knows...
>This sounds like something written by boomers who only have experience with classic assets like stocks.
Listen Zoomer just cause you don't understand something, that doesn't mean that you can make assessments & think your right, Fuckin Zoomers, Why are you cunts so arrogant?

>WTF is a trust anyway?
Why don't you go read about trusts, you are involved in them literally every day as a beneficiary!

>>13969489
I have even worse news for creg, Calvin and all you bsv shills:
>you gonna get fucking r e k t