/biz/ - Business & Finance

Go watch The Rainmaker for the fifth time? Then realize the only winner was the high-priced, soulless corporate firm.

>tfw fell for the engi degree meme now stuck doing nothing but excel sheets

>>13855979
>OP in a nutshell

Go pick up some pro Bono cases ya cuck

law school is horrible. being a lawyer is horrible. pay is horrible unless you're in a soulless 60hr per week position

>>13855979
I know your pain anon. I fell for the MD meme and I fucking hate my life

>>13856026
Hehehe, more like pro boner

>>13856070
At least you're improving the world. 50% of lawyers are on the objectively and morally wrong side of any given case.

>>13855992
>tfw round up causes cancer
>tfw it's in literally every living American
>tfw Bayer is gonna PAY
>fifty million to some jews and a hunnid each to anyone who can prove they were exposed
in a just society we'd liquidate by force and toss these fags in a shallow grave

>>13856105
>t. brainlet

>>13855979
>fell for the college meme

I’m in college for computer programming can anyone tell me if I’m okay? I don’t want to end up like OP.....

>>13855979
>newly minted attorney
>good verbal game
>met a really cute gal
>coulda gotten laid tonight
No larp. Being an attorney is still a panty dropper

>>13856306

If you have to ask you're fucked dude.

>>13856306
You need to actually apply what you're learning. Internships, part time jobs, your own projects. Any sort of experience that you can show off. It's probably more important than the piece of paper.

>>13856366
I just want the assurance since I don’t know anyone that can give me the straight truth.

>>13856395
Thanks for the advice I appreciate it. The main reason why I chose to go to college instead of a specialized school for programming is because I want to at least be able to use the degree to land a job in another field.

>>13856353
>>coulda gotten laid tonight
whoa...

>>13856401
Only you can know if you like it. If you're only taking it because you think it will make you rich, then yeah you're fucked.

>>13856306
>do you want to be code monkey in cubicle?
>do you want to be code ape fucking over everyone?

not too many other options besides making vidya I'd say

>>13855979
You can always start a carrier as scammer
Look at csw

>>13856306
its pretty fucking bad unless you're super smart and can get into a silicon valley company. tons of shit work on antiquated systems, explaining technical things to non-technical bosses, and dealing with psychotic coworkers

that being said its better than working at mcdonalds or being a tradesmen who will have a destroyed body at age 50

>>13856401
>>13856395

This dude is right. I have zero experience outside my cs degree and it's literally impossible to find work with only the degree.

>>13856401

It's a pretty bad career desu if you only do it for the money. Plenty of other fields you can get a job with just a degreen your hand.

>>13856353
>gonna get laid tonight
Yeah, you'll get anal alright.

>>13856070
>MD meme
what exactly is the meme?
I was a cheme premed in college and got in a few MD schools as well as 6 fig o&g gigs. i went with later because i was sick of school, but i always thought i made a mistake.

>>13857867

If you factor in all the hours you have to work, you make like $70k/yr

>>13857952
my doctor doesnt do jack. he comes in 2 days a week for like 5 hours max to read some reports and makes like 400k. i get that during residency they pay isnt ideal and many doctors go in debt for school, but if youre smart you should be financially stable withing 5 years of MD and then making bank

Doctors and lawyers are nothing but king of the wagies. A successful business owner will always be happier.

>>13857985

He's probably a boomer and has his own practice. That's rarely the case for newer docs

>>13856353
>coulda gotten laid tonight

There is no bigger sign of a pathetic faggot than someone gloating about what they 'could have' but didnt do.

>>13857952
I wish I made 70k/hr. Sounds like a good career.

>>13858013
what is the case for new docs? havent met any

>>13857084
>sitting on your ass and staring on a screen all day doesn't destroy your body

>>13858062

Slaving for 20 years until you can afford to open your own practice. Docs make big bucks in their late 40s and 50s, but most have already offset this by extreme amounts of debt. Doctors generally feel that they have to maintain a social image. If you think the amount of keeping up with the Joneses is bad at a fortune 500 company, wait until you see the bullshit fuck fuck games Dr.s are forced to play.

>>13856070
MD is based as long as your not a dermatologist or orthopod or some other mem specialty. you're literally changing the lives of the people you see everyday in the most tangible and important way, even if it doesn't feel that way all the time. it has it's issues but it's still about a million times better than being some cuck lawyer or undervalued engineer.
>tfw fell for the md meme and i love my job and i'm making my community and world a better place and there's an endless supply of qt nurses thirsting after my dick and i'm going to be rich in a few years

>>13859510
how's ortho a meme?
I'm a ortho in a third world country, it's basically half the surgical procedures in public hospitals due to motorcycle and low iq idiots doing shit

>>13856353
>coulda gotten laid tonight
>Being an attorney is still a panty dropper
I M A G I N E

>>13855979
>Oppie decides he is going to go to school to learn how to fuck people over
>gets fucked over

Law is the BIGGEST scam going, through it ALL the other scams come, i.e Banking.

I really hate how brainwashed the lawfags are.

Accounting is a meme, don't fall for it. I've ruined my career.

unironically considering getting a math degree once link goes double digit

any advice? Alternative would be cs but a friend told me to never go to uni for it

>>13859548
maybe it's different in your country. i'm in USA. here, ortho's are the low iq brainlets of the surgical specialties. they don't know fucking anything about medicine lmao. they can't even manage diabetes or pneumonia and will have to consult out to the medicine service for basically every patient.
they're not the best surgeons either. i guess they're good at resetting bones and shit, but for any procedure that can be done by a different specialty like vascular or trauma, the other docs seem to do it much better.
that being said, ortho docs make like a gazillion dollars here, so maybe they're the only smart ones among us.

>>13858737
It doesn’t if you get up and take a short walk a couple times a day and go to the gym a few days of the week. My Silicon Valley cube job comes with a free gym and free personal trainers too. Been cubing for a decade and I’m in great shape.

>>13859613

The biggest scam ever pulled in medicine is ortho convincing the other specialities theyre fools lol. They generally sont care about managing sick patients though.

Biggest meme in medicine is endo by far. Shafted with general med call in clinic cause overflow, majority of endo patients are fat fucks who won't take their insulin.

I'm an anaesthesia reg. Love it lol. Cosy plus call is absolutely fine. What you do anon? The fact you talk abiut community and betterment makes me think something like geriatrics/ gp/ peds?

Medicine is not a "scam" career path. Kys, /biz/.

>>13859579
maybe become a cpa instead of a fucking bookkeeper

>>13859956
>The biggest scam ever pulled in medicine is ortho convincing the other specialities theyre fools lol.
i used to think that was true but i don't anymore.
when we work with them they genuinely don't know anything outside of the bones and i have to dumb myself down to communicate with them.
shit i'm not a medicine guru, but when we're consulted, i'm at least knowledgable about medicine and can communicate with the gp/im doc.
>Biggest meme in medicine is endo by far.
JUST
>What you do anon? The fact you talk abiut community and betterment makes me think something like geriatrics/ gp/ peds?
lol nah. i do urology. i just grew up poor/middle class so i don't really gaf about the money. i'm sappy and sentimental so i genuinely care about people and want to help them and do shit for free when people need it and i'm financially able to. want to further specialize in oncology eventually. anesthesia is pretty based. especially regional blocks for post op pain. that shit is the future.

Didn't know there were so many doctors in here, what are your holdings?
I'm a first year neurosurgery resident, all in link

>>13860325
If you take a look at the career/how much do you earn threads, it's fucking hard to reconcile the posts made on here with apparent calibre of people who roam here.

Either everyone is retarded, in their own sort of way; or a lot of people are lying. I don't buy the "we just come here to shitpost" excuse.

>>13860325
If you take a look at the career/how much do you earn threads, it's fucking hard to reconcile the posts made on here with apparent calibre of people who roam here.

Either everyone is retarded, in their own sort of way, or a lot of people are lying. I don't buy the "we just come here to shitpost" excuse.

junior lawyer here seeking help.
my boss is suing a bank that screwed its investores and is winning all the time, the bank is fine with it because it just has to pay bank the investors plus lawyer fees, but they pay it back with money they borrow from another bank that also was involved and cant be sued because offshore. Im part of a circle that creates endless money while only netting 2k a month. I want them all to go to prison.

Yea or Nay on a degree/career in finance? I mean, this IS business and finance...

>>13860325
Undergrad degree in molecular biology, graduate in epidemiology here. Most doctors I know are brainlets unironically.

>>13860325

3rd year anaesthesia.

All in LINK too @ 113 k with 4.5 L.P. tokens. Do not have time for a node lol

>>13860507

I studied finance and then dropped out after realizing that non ivy leaguers are basically fucked

Learned how to money tho so it wasn't a total loss

>>13860266

I did an endo rotation in my intern year and it was horrible lol. Physiologically its Cool, but nothing beats my love for GABA lol.

ONC is super based. Dont think I'm smart enough for it though. All those reciprocal translocation we had to learn in med school haha. All of my onc friends are 4 digit IQ.

No one handles that airway like i do tho lol.

>>13860553

Lol enjoy that bench you lab monkey fag. Youre jusy a handicapped medicinal chemist. No thanks

>>13857997
truth
>ex-JD

>>13858762
>forced to play

To med people on here, assuming you live in the US: What are your views on Single Payer healthcare? Do you think it would result in longer waiting times for certain procedures/seeing certain specialists?

Do you think it's a bad idea with expected Ageing population of the US (and much of the Developed world)?

>>13858762
>wait until you see the bullshit fuck fuck games Dr.s are forced to play.
Holy shit tell MORE

>>13859992
how to become cpa in uk? i only got a degree and worst grade possible so no one wants to hire me and struggling to continue career.

>>13855979
still better than falling for MD degree.

>>13860927
you have a degree but you can't figure out become a CPA...
Confined degrees are worthless

Certified
Public
Accountant

Hu, lets see you probably got take a test & have a bond/insurance to protect the public.

>>13855979
I'm in quality assurance and test automation, because I'm too much of a brainlet to do 'real' programming. The money is good and I am relatively relaxed. But developers are just autistic, I don't want to deal with them outside of work.

>>13861459
how do you get into QA?

>>13858013
A hospital physician in a HCOL city in US gets $400k to start.

>>13856048
MD here
60hr work week is like vacation
I'm ending it all in a caouple years if shitcoins don't moon violently
>>13856070
feels bad man

>>13859613
Ortho is chad specialty
You hammer hip replacements into femurs all day long
100% Roastie proof niche

>tfw make more money as an uber driver than in my previous software job

>>13861477
Did an internship and was put into qa, many cs students are put there because you can help the company fast by testing. I found automation fun and saw that many companies needed more automated qa, so I took a full time position. I also do devops stuff sometimes.

>>13860881

If done right it works, but there have to be lines drawn somewhere. Illnesses which dont affect yiur activities of daily living or aren't causing you debilitating pain are pushed way down in priority. Public dermatology is a nightmare, and most run off to the private hospitals.

Also you get it clogged with people with no regard for their health, or hypochondriacs, etc.

A good balanced two tier system is nice IMO. Plus in single payer the staff are essentially civil servants, so youll always be battling for extra hours worked etc ad the stupid admin and "efficiency" consultants fight tooth and nail to keep overheads i.e staff low. Cant talk properly about it as on phone.

America needs to sort out its primary care first. It had some great advancements in cardio/ rad/ onc with cutting edge tech, but its hole in the bucket is front of line primary care. People don't go doc because too expensive etc and eventually disease workers required exponential more services and treatment i.e money.

If youre wealthy its fine I guess

>>13861511

They are absolute chefs indoctrinated lol. Two of the regs fist bumped at our MDT a month ago when they told the consultsnt they managed a severe complication quickly and well and he praised them lol

>>13861484
sure shill, tell them also about those
60k per annum for 5 years of selling your soul where you literally work / sleep your best years away
After that it's 180-250k when you are already burned out boomer

>>13856306
CS with emphasis on programming Anon here.

It's awful. Unless you're a brilliant programmer who can effortlessly unravel the most tangled, over-engineered code while also fulfilling the feature-creep dreams of starry-eyed managers who haven't written a line of code in their lives, you are thoroughly fucked.

And if you're brilliant enough to do either of those, why the ever loving fuck would you work for anyone but your self?

>>13855979
Based ace attorney

>>13856105
>objectively moral wrong
retard

>>13856105
listen faggot, just because a human being sees something as wrong doesn't mean its possible for it to be "wrong" absolutely as if based on some universal law or some shit you 16 year old redditor brainlet.

>>13856306
drop out and make your own software abd connections
t. ms in cs

>>13860266
Idk if youre still in this thread but my gf and I are undergrad and she’s pre-med hoping to be a pediatrician.

She’s starting her Junior year in the fall and Im starting my Senior year but will probably do a PG studies year. What can I/she expect for the process going forward, whats her life gunna look like/ any advice or warnings?

>>13860454
I think you hit the nail on the head when you say everyone is retarded in their own sort of way. It’s true. I have another premed friend, we go to a ‘public ivy’ and he is BME kid with a 3.9 and objectively incredibly intelligent.

He is also, in his own way, very retarded. Very similar in personality to the NEETS that infest 4chan but he won’t accept being a fucking loser like most of these guys so he actually uses his intelligence for good instead of autistic racism

>>13855979
wait what's wrong with law school? I had just gotten in few days ago and I've been happy and proud of myself, are you telling me it's worthless?

>>13855979
>>13863376

are you a larp or for real? even white shoe firms have sweat shops in cramped offices for the location prestige.

lawyers are just morally ambiguous but I don't want to denigrate them and disrespect the profession they have with regard to client privilege.

>>13863421
not sure about OP, but I am for real.. I have just gotten my results from university entrance exams and they are enough for me to get in a pretty prestigious law university, but I still can decline

>>13855979

i fell for the law meme.. now working in big4 and i hate my self

i am really hoping to get fired so i can get severance payments and 6 months of unemployment benefits so i can take a long holiday and do what i really want

> tfw work at a family law firm in a medium sized town

Not a paper pushing drone for a big firm, not a worn out and abused Public Defender. Truly based friends.

I’ll be sure to let you guys know when I come across my first division of crypto assets in a divorce. It’s been discussed but still haven’t seen one

Are trades based? Particularly carpentry

>>13863528

>I’ll be sure to let you guys know when I come across my first division of crypto assets in a divorce. It’s been discussed but still haven’t seen one

i got triggered by just reading this

YOU CANT LET THE ROASTIES GET AWAY WITH THIS

literally why would you get married

>>13855979

Tbh in todays world any degree is becoming obsolete. You will learn this harsh truth after you graduate school.

>>13863649
Lol assets are assets. She gets half your shit you get half your shit, that’s just the way it is. If you unironically think that only men make money in the household nowadays then you’re wrong. Doesn’t matter anyways. Men buying BTC, women buying BTC, jannies and trannies buying BTC etc... all are good for BTC.

Besides, don’t have to take it to the reeee incel level. Once we start seeing divorces with even a fraction of BTC on the asset list, that’s when you know the herd is coming

Once i gave up on relationships my life has become hell incarnate, it's like some veil was lift off when i realized i wasn't going to be a normie ever in my life and that i won't have friends or gf because im wired differently and then EVERYTHING became pointless except 4chan, eating and sleeping

http://www.jdunderground.com

>>13856146
>Bayer
>liquidating
As long as people use asprin, this is just a chance to buy the dip.

>fell for the teaching meme
I fucking hate the parents, the children, the state, and the administration. Fuck all of you.

You need to get your foot in the door with big players in a niche field with lots of capital. Invent your own position if you have to - otherwise you'll be working as either a fill-in for a DHR case in court or as a notary on the side while you glue bottlecaps to pieces of wood for your McDonald's dinner.

>>13855979
Construction Management is the most based career path I know of... 4 yrs engineering school... 70k starting... a few years of work... make over 150k. hours are long though. my degree cost me 30k.

>>13855979
I did too. Was miserable until I left firm life and opened my own doors. Working as a solo attorney is actually pretty cool, but you can't be a fucking autist because 99% of success in this field is getting people in the door and paying you.

>>13859992
I'm a CPA. It sucks dude

>>13855979
Trust me bro, every /biz/nessman could use a Saul Goodman-style lawyer at some point in their lives after making it to Bugatti land.

Don't give up hope.

>>13863974
>spending your only life building ugly dehumanizing hellscapes

>>13855979
I had 2 fucking choices.. medicine and law

I could get both degrees for free in public university (europe)

I became a lawyer and now I'm poor as dirt REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>13862776
morality is objective you relativist cuck

>>13864629
sue your university for misleading advertisement

>>13859510
>i'm making my community and world a better place
dont doctors literally blackmail peoples lives for money? if patient has no money/insurance private practices dont take them
doctors are so delusional when they think theyre the good guys lmao.

>>13860507
I just graduated with a finance and econ double major, and just starting my job hunt now. I don't think i'll have much trouble finding a decent job, but i'm also not trying to become some kind of hedge fund wolf of wall st. type. I'm just looking for a normal business job to get started with. If i'm successful maybe i'll make a thread on here in a few months and give advice to any youngsters.

>>13864841
Not only that but they have a huge enforcement arm that prevents competition to saving lives.
They disenfranchise the free market and then spend 99% of their energy googling things.
Doctors are scum but technology will save us.

Lol all these STEMies complaining about their jobs. Try being a humanities cuck. Spent my entire post college years drifting around jobs that don't even require a high school diploma. Somehow I've found myself in a union job making asphalt and will soon be sitting at a desk handling sales making (hopefully) $33 CAD +overtime, but with winters off.

>>13856083
Kek my sides desu

>>13864966
>that prevents competition to saving lives.
What competition lol? Witch doctors?

>>13856234
This. All those years plus debt plus opporutinity cost of not working. I estimate college cost me at least 350k. Best investment right

>>13865206
It was the biggest waste of my god damn time. Four years down the drain, a worthless degree, and debt. Wow, thanks. That was totally worth it. The worst part is that it was forced onto most of us.

>>13864966
>>13864841
Doctors are the biggest pseudo-union fleecing the rest of the country.

>>13859510
>you're literally changing the lives of the people you see everyday
you quacks are mostly just salespeople for the pharma lobby go kys

>>13865291
>>13865206
It hurts bros. I feel like I'm playing catch up. Should have just moved to Alberta when I was 18 and taken a trade. I know with my mentality I'd have saved a shit load of money and be 3 or 4 times ahead of where I'm at right now.

>>13863814
>I know nothing about patents, don’t ask me shit

>tfw went to college

I'm a chartered tax advisor here in UK.

I worked for the government for 6 years after uni and took all their free training, then worked in private Big 4 for 1 years before bailing the fuck out to a mid-size firm.

I literally just sit with my feet up half the time. I bill £200 for regurgitating tax law from memory to clients. Sometimes I read up any new and interesting cases, but 99% of the time it is just a client about to sign a big contract and wanting to dot the i's and cross the t's on any tax issues, usually there are none. I have my own fucking office on the 17th floor with a nice view over the city after working for 7 years in open plan fucking shitholes.

I'd say I work maybe 4 hours a day in an 8 hour shift, the rest of the time I read news, crypto, chans etc. It is comfy as fuck, I'll hole up here until my 90,000 LINK stack moons and I can quit waging for good aged 29.

>>13865991

*£200 per hour

>>13856353
Attorney = money = child support

Real panty dropper alright

>>13861554
This happens in communist countries

>>13865991
In the Accounting world, the UK is pretty based and comfy in their line of work. Most people know about the CPAs here who make bank in corporate & public accounting but the big 4 in the UK gets you paid well.

I spent a few years in big 4 before finding a comfy job in banking.

>>13863440
can you get into yale, stanford, or harvard? If not than gg. I don't know how you missed the fact that law school has been a huge bubble since 2008.

>>13864841
>dont doctors literally blackmail peoples lives for money?
>if patient has no money/insurance private practices dont take them
what's it like being retarded?

>>13856083
Based and hehe-pilled

>>13864973
That's exactly what happened to one of my coworkers who worked at a factory with me. He went to school for communications and I was too nice to tell him that it was a useless degree. He ended up coming back after graduation, at least they gave him a sales position but it's still a shitty job.