/biz/ - Business & Finance

STOCKS ARE FOR FAGGOT BOOMERS

At the biggest mortgage bank in the world’s largest covered-bond market, a banker took a few steps away from his desk this week to make sure his eyes weren’t deceiving him.

As mortgage-bond refinancing auctions came to a close in Denmark, it was clear that homeowners in the country were about to get negative interest rates on their loans for all maturities through to five years, representing multiple all-time lows for borrowing costs.

> “During this week’s auctions, there were three times when I had to stand back a little from the screen and raise my eyebrows somewhat,”
said Jeppe Borre, who analyzes the mortgage-bond market from a unit of the Nykredit group that dominates Denmark’s $450 billion home-loan industry.

> For one-year adjustable-rate mortgage bonds, Nykredit’s refinancing auctions resulted in a negative rate of 0.23%.
> The three-year rate was minus 0.28%,
> The five-year rate was minus 0.04%.

The record-low mortgage rates, which don’t take into account the fees that homeowners pay their banks, are the latest reflection of the global shift in the monetary environment as central banks delay plans to remove stimulus amid concerns about economic growth.

> Denmark has had negative rates longer than any other country.
> The central bank in Copenhagen first pushed its main rate below zero in the middle of 2012, in an effort to defend the krone’s peg to the euro.
> The ultra-low rate environment has dragged down the entire Danish yield curve, with households in the country paying as little as 1% to borrow for 30 years.
> That’s considerably less than the U.S. government.

trips for LCI gap open to $9.00 on tuesday after fud washes over

>>13818422
>that wrist
>that hand

>>13818452
yes but what can you buy with shitcoins?

Today was better than yesterday

>>13818463
hmmm what about some dubs

>>13818472
I can buy literally anything with bitcoins
Houses, automobiles, amazon items, anything I want
Shitcoins are just a way to increase your bitcoin holdings

https://youtu.be/QQs2MfLTzN4

KUYASHII!!!

>>13818495
kid, I make more in dividends in a month than you do in a year trading your meme coins. Do me a favor, never ever post here again..you little SMUT.

>>13818535
smut isn't a noun like that

>>>13818453
>Denmark
I don't care tho

>>13818535
Sure you do boomer
Okay I'll leave you boomer fags to your baby gains

Someone hold my hand and tell me how to unfuck my SQQQ call position. I have 250 contracts that are now jacked up with terrible volume and some below intrinsic

Help this anon out of a jam.

>wanted to sell Disney before Aladdin
>didn’t
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!

Literally the moment interest rates properly rise the entire market is crashing

ARK Mommy coming back to pump it more...

>>13818642
Please Powell-sama, make it do the thing!

>>13818642
Good.

https://www.paypal.me/nosa101
PLEASE SEND ME SOME MONEY

>>13818668
I can send you 2 million baht

>>13818629
Yer fucked kid. I was bitching about this yesterday night

>>13818668
Reported :)

>co-worker is always talking about stocks like he's a major player
>after months of him bragging and talking shit, he reveals the details and i find out he has like 1k worth of disney and 1k worth of mcdonalds
>my laughs were intrepid

sorry for bad english I just moved to country 5 years ago but this funny turn is in my mind! What a silly man!

I averaged down on CHK today. I'm a proud owner of 1,000 shares now. Did I goof?

>>13818733
So are you fucked too? What is your plan to unfuck yourself?

>>13818873
That, plus Disney, was me a few months ago, before I decided to get more active!

I've erased all my gains and put myself in the hole since then.
Take me back!

Well T didn't dip down low enough for me today. So instead I bought 3 Amazon shares. Figure use them as a way to quickly make a few extra bucks (the 52 week high is 2,050). Amazon is good at that. Then wait for T to dip down to 30.50.

AMRN is on the upswing, so maybe something is gonna happen over the holiday.

GALT/LCI has been falling seriously throughout this week, but makes a small recovery today

>>13818886
I mean if that is really the best stock or financial instrument that you could think of to buy then uhhhh...

>>13818892
Sold 6/21 $11 calls this morning for .40. Bought them yesterday for .35
How much are they worth now? I could sense the split would fuck things up

>>13818927
This was a horrible week for both GALT and LCI. But a great buying opportunity. Especially if you aren't in yet at all.

>>13818983
was considering buying, but going to hold off.
LCI under 5.18 or GALT under 3.76 will get some money from me. but if they don't go that low, fine

Daily reminder to not trade options unless you know what you are doing.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-24/apple-sued-for-selling-customers-itunes-information

Is this buyable Apple fud?

Im a little scare of Xi, tbdesu

>>13818927
I'm hoping oil shoots up over the weekend. $2.48674 should be my new average for CHK.

>>13819016
good meme lines, gentleman.

>>13819204
you should have just bought USO and WEAT calls like I've been saying for the last 48 hours
Instead you bought some pennystock exploration company
It might pop off but it will take longer

also NO reason to overexpose on something like CHK, I hope it is 5% of your portfolio or under (even 5% is super high)

OOOOF
I want to derisk, but all these afterhours crashes looking VERY buyable
MO, UNH, AAPL...

>>13818873
>holding DIS and MCD
This guy is going places

>>13818422
$CHK
$GOOGL
$EA
$OPK

Why after hours so spikey today?

>>13819389
has to b because of the long weekend, everyone's getting their positions squared (and compassed) away

>>13818886
>>13819369
me had buy orders for CHK & AKS @ $2 but they never filled this week :(

am lowering buys to $1.95

>>13819526
Yeah I guess...
I still have way too much money in the market for this stage of my life goddamn it... And this stage of Trump/US/Global econmomy

>>13819652
in AKS part, am thinking of lowering buy to $1.70
>_>
this company no looking good

>>13819652
That is NOT how to use your teeth.
This dumb stinky amine.

>us can ban any company they want off "national security" concerns. nice capitalism and "free market" amerifats

>>13818422
First green day in 2 weeks.
Thanks PCG.

>>13819840
It's Galil-chan, you'd understand the joke if you knew your Israeli firearms trivia. Also I posted that gif like a month ago and reluctant did NOT have my permission to save and repost it

>>13819859
are you mad?
are you mad because you aren't American?

are you pretending Chinese companies haven't been caught doing every kind of spying and stealing with technology

>>13819859
You live in a community of thieves and you come home to find your house has been robbed do you
>lock your doors
>continue to leave them wide open

>>13819263
$2K worth now, so 8.6%. Wish me luck :^)

I WANT A MASSIVE CRASH
AFTER THE CRASH ONLY BUY VISA
VISA VISA VISA

The key players:
AMRN - Our hero; who's Drug is badly needed

The Baddie - The FDA aka the Ass Clowns who seek to deny AMRN his victory

The supporting cast: Shareholders who stand to make loads of Profit if AMRN wins. The common folk who need AMRN's drug to survive from having the big one prematurely.
Wendy's - Don't be fooled, they got a stake in this to. After all the more people who down baconators the more Profit they make.
The Big Fish aka the Unknown U.S Pharma Company who's ready to Buy AMRN to get there hands on the drug soon as the Ass Clowns cave in.

Well the Saga continues;

Our Hero AMRN has the Ass Clowns (FDA) boxed in. Deals in place to expand up north and airing ads to get the people behind him. Also expanding overseas via other deals.

Soon the Ass clowns will have little choice but to cave in. AMRN will dangle the bait; tell the Ass Clowns "if you don't give in we'll deny your U.S drug companies easy access to our product and deny you Loads of easy Profit" Rumors abound about a potential Victory over the holiday.

Will our hero get his Victory? Will the Ass clowns still stonewall? Will the Big Fish strike a deal anyway? Who knows?

Stay Tuned next week for another chapter!

So I invested for the first time today
I lost 0.63%
It's good to confirm that I am indeed retarded

If stocks aren't bigly green the next Tuesday after Memorial Day that means Americans are unpatriotic, socialist libcunts that spit on the grave of the brave heroes that made our country number one.

>>13819939
You haven't lost until you lose 6% in one day.

>>13819916
hey good luck baby


>>13819938
I really appreciate all the effort you put into your posts
still surprised that you aborted the T babies so quickly and without hesitation
that's illegal in some states now :^)

>>13819939
No need to worry until you are down 10% or more. If the reasons you bought still apply then don't fret too much. Sell if they don't.

who the ef reported my image?

>>13819973
I'm down 9.8%. Can I still be saved?

>>13819956
You haven’t lost until you sell or they go bankrupt.

>>13819882
That's pretty specific.

I did visit Israel and one of my old friends was in their military for a few years. Does that count?

>>13819904
>gorl I crushon tells me she likes the slim type
>me: on you or on other people
>her: both
OOF she wants a twinky korean :^(
Feels man. Maybe not want to be amerifat anymore
>>13819973
10% of...? net worth? Trading account? Total investments?

>>13819988
What are you in? I was down 20% last year and rode the market back.

>>13819911
>amerifats claim that they are the smartest race in the world
>trillions being "stolen" by Chyna
>no amerifat is able to figure out a system/product to prevent stealing even though it would earn them billions
makes you think

>>13820024
10% of any particular investment.

>>13819971
Thanks; just trying to get a laugh outta folks or at least it's better than the same old thing all the time. But I'm still gonna get my T shares. Just waiting for a nice dip. Still got plenty of time before the ex div date anyway.

>>13819956
>>13819973
I forgot to mention another thing
I invested in China

Based janny.

>>13820092
Then hold for quite a while, fren. This war will end.

>>13819971
aborted the T babies?

>>13820027
CHK, but I got out of it Monday.

>>13820125
nice
you need to have the specific line he always posted about how it would be paying him 40K/month when he's 60 or whatever it was

hold up I'll search the archives

>>13819840
I've opened plenty of beer bottles with my teeth

>>13820202
>>13820125
ah I just sort of threw it in there
wanted to break up all the ellipses a little, oh well

>>13820286
I bet they'll love it, maybe they'll post it on their website

>>13820286
LOL, nice to have a good laugh once and a while. Still gonna get them though; waiting on the dip down to 30.50

Damn that KTOS close was fucking epic didn’t expect that kind of profit hopefully the LMT rumors are true that’s an instant 40$+ to the share from FOMO

>>13820395
they're going to think it's some weird abortion commentary

fun fact my mom and dad met working at AT&T back when it was Southwestern Bell (then became SBC, then AT&T)
I don't even know exactly how many ATT shares I own, it's a handful. But of course I've owned them as the stock loses value...

>>13820396
In the mean time while I'm waiting I took a small detour and bought some Amazon. One thing's for sure; unless the market as a whole shits Amazon's good for making Profit. Figure hold them till Amazon hits 2k, sell for around $600 gain. Which considering how wild amazon stock is won't be to long imo.

>>13820125
>yeild

Happy 3 day weekend to all the wagies out there. Predictions for Tuesday open?

>>13820617
Everything is gonna shit? Trump will do something during his trip, maybe. (I hope)

>>13820617
Bloodbath. I already backed out of my usual plays and I'm seeking refuge to keep my earnings.

>>13820521
Pedantry no an endearing personality trait penduwum

>>13820668
>yewuid

>>13820509
But I dunno, Yes I like T stock and his Divvy. Especially when theirs a nice dip. Also like that I'd be bagging 30k or more at 65. But I could also roll everything into buying AMRN during it's next dip as well.

So my 400 shares would grow to be 740 shares. And at 30 per that'd be 22,200 Profit. A buyout would double that amount. That's at the low side. The high, 51 per x 2 x 740 would be 75,480.00. All gotten before I turned 40 (Maybe, I hope anyway,lol). So I'd have that, add to it for 10 more years and be having a net-worth of around $102,480.00 cash sitting in the bank by my retirement date at 50. (No debt either)

>>13819859
>Implying you can have free market capitalism with a government.

>>13819927
Thank you for your post

>>13820834
you can't retire on 100k retard

>>13820834
If this is your approach, you can do much better. Look into some higher yielders. I have about 100k yielding a solid 11.5%. That, my friend, you can retire on.

>>13821164
Just go to EE

>>13818422
Fucking fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, cocks. It's memorial day weekend and I'm down $1650 total in my brokerages since I kicked up my investments last week. I know index funds are NOT bullshit, but this hurts.

>>13819904
btw 80% of silicon valley work force is foreign, mostly asian and european, because americans are too incompetent doing high level math, programming and innovations :D

>>13818642
I think I'm gonna shelter in a money market for the next month after the june dividend disbursal and pray

>>13821209
Eh you'll be fine.

>>13820668
Kek
>Only nice to LCIguy
>top smug, tries to win arguments through petty arguments of semantics
>Only ever talks about one stock, except occasionally commenting that LCI is also a good company, because LCIguy said the same for GALT
They're the same person.
The anon with the GALT/LCI index has it figured out.

NVDA STOP IT

I have a feeling MNST will begin a dividend soon
>>13821447
Pendyboy absolutely destroyed by this comment

Who else is accumulating capital to buy the next 25% crash?
If you're under 40 a crash will literally the best financial thing to ever happen to you if you're ready to buy the bottom

>>13821192
haha nice :^)


>>13821447
there are a bunch of other 'named' posters who post under multiple/shared identities
you can notice if suspiciously two of the known posters happen to not post for like a week... things like that
not going to name any names
these threads have a lot of secrets, you have to be very attuned to your surroundings to pick up on it

but actually Pendulum/LCI aren't the same person. but they are gay man lovers together. (they are both bottoms so they don't have exclusive one-on-one sessions)

>>13821164
>>13821192
You can if that ain't your only income stream and if your not ass deep in debt. I'll have a pension and a 401k plus the cash money/brokerage. My work regs state after 27 yrs of service I can retire with full pension/medical. So I'll be 50

>>13821742
oh and I live in a low col state. I get by now with a shit 27k a year salary. That's before tax/deductions are sucked out to.

>>13821742
Personally, I rent a room out of my house, so that cuts my cost of living drastically. I could live off of 10-15k/yr. That is kinda skirting the point though; my point is that if you are using THAT specific strategy, you can do better than you are now.

>>13821674
Huh. haven't noticed that yet. Just that a few threadpersonalities post food stocks a lot. Guess I wouldn't notice, I still confuse Gommie and Gomfy.

They may or may not be the same person. They're both very unpleasant shills and seem to enjoy trolling. Don't know yet if Pen is malicious.

I forgot to mention they both prefer traps to women.

>>13818642
I tend to doubt interest rates are going to rise. Still, the market marches on. If the economy heats up more and average earning growth rises we'll see a crash either way from the hit to profits.

>>13821742
>he believes a pension will save him
kek

>>13821887
They may or may not be the same person. >They're both very unpleasant shills and seem to enjoy trolling. Don't know yet if Pen is malicious.
>I forgot to mention they both prefer traps to women.
That refers to LCIguy and Pendulum, the way I wrote that may sound confusing.

Chinese websites continue to remove "problematic" content according to government demand, like BILIBILI further removed a few episode of current season anime, Tencent Yuewen's jjwxc online novel website removed about 1.2 million novel series from the website. Likewise, Sina Blog turned all blog post made before 2017 into "private", hence not accessible to the public.

>>13821887
I'm not malicious! >:(

>>13821900
In this case it will. The pension is covered by the state. The state itself would have to go ass bankrupt before pensions would get cut. There's so many laws and shit on the books that cover this that bankruptcy is the only way the pensions would go anywhere.

>>13821926
Oh no... I'm still holding some Bili... was very tempted to buy today below 14, but I'm already too overexposed.

Very interesting. I wonder how the anime and novel fans are responding to this. My guess is they feel a lot less entitled to consume media than we do in the west, because of our views on freedom of speech and freedom of the press.

Thank you for the news.

The DoE rejection of LTBR is straight bullshit.

Seems like potential foul play. If Grae doesn't announce this utility contract this summer I'm going to flip.

Oh ho ho no... Just listened to the NPR National Newscast (the hourly 3-minute update) after a while of not listening to the news.

Sounds like everything is preeeeeetty bad.

>>13821887
I'm the only true foodChad in these threads, the others were just passing through (IE the other posters were just larping, not true food investors)

>>13822078
Very good. I like it.

>>13821973
but oh well. still lots of time to think/plan it all. About the smartest things I've done has been to start my 401k early (2005), been growing ever since. And to avoid the debt trap (aside from my house, but that's different,lol)

>>13822035
Are they not well connected in the DoE then?
That seems like a requirement to run a nuclear energy company. They gotta get some board members with the inside track on the DoE.

>>13822078
Ill pretend you didnt say that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6v8DKYckkng

DAX looking good guys. Looks like we are 3-4 months away from the eurozone meltdown and 6 months away from the global crash.

>>13821965
malicious malicious malicious !

TAXATION IS THEFT!

>>13821965
yeah, the way I wrote that is confusing.
Wait you're also a trap lover?
whatever, should read like:

LCIguy and Pendulum may or may not be the same person. They're both very unpleasant shills and seem to enjoy trolling. Don't know yet if Pen is malicious. I forgot to mention they both prefer traps to women.

since it fridau
saw bunch of people posting wc3 here other day
O_O
made me want see if still have it

me name = warhampster someone 1 v 1 me

>>13821975
You can check this news report, especially the comment section (use Google Translate): https://theinitium.com/roundtable/20190524-roundtable-zh-culture-jjwxc/

>>13821482
I feel like I am at number 4 with CHK, 3 with LCI and LPTX.

>>13822264
do you own any non-memes
maybe something stable and growing, maybe it even pays a nice dividend?
gotta cushion those feelings of discomfort with some happy positions

>>13822294
Most of my money's in SCHK and a few blue chips, but I can't deny the exhilaration - and subsequent regret - I get from fomoing into memeshits.

>>13822341
>I can't deny the exhilaration - and subsequent regret - I get from fomoing into memeshits.
STRONGLY relate.
Time to pull my money out of the market, bonds get better returns than I am right now.

>SCHK
Oh interesting, don't know the Schwab 1000, cool--
>MSFT 3.65%
>AAPL 3.04%
>GOOG & GOOG:L 2.61%
I don't know this is where I'd want my money right now, but at least theres enough diversity in the other 90.7%

>>13822194
I made a joke a few times about wanting to sex a hermaphrodite and now everyone thinks I'm gay >_<
>>13822177
No you

>>13822232
I'll play you, are you good?

>>13822531
Lesbians are the only true heterosexuals

>>13822566
I think all women are bisexual to some extent because women are a cute
Men are straight expect for a few deviants because men are gross

>>13822585
>I think all women are bisexual to some extent because women are a cute
>Men are straight expect for a few deviants because men are gross

>>13822566
unequivocally correct

>>13822600
As Christ said in the book of Matthew, the wicked takes the truth to be hard, and it cuts them to the very core!
Your attraction to benis is something you should really sort out. Start by cleaning your room and washing your benis

>>13818453
How is this a bad thing? It sounds like the people of Denmark are doing quite well.

>>13822600
>>13822628
Based Matthew

>>13822661
Pendyboy MUST take the bait, it's in his very nature

>>13822628
my hygiene is immaculate and my room is better than average to great and I bet anything I've fugged more boys then pendulum :^)

>>13822585
there's some cute, tender guys out there. mostly, however, we are a gender destroyed by the grind of time and capitalism.

Can someone help me with the interactive brokers interface. I am trying to write a put for VIX. But the option writer tool for the desktop app only lists stocks I have. How do I get VIX to show up here?

>>13822690
>had more sex than pendulum
WOW such difficult, much hard to do!

Damn it you're the big gay too? This general...

>>13822728
I am the small gay (had some bisexual experiences in college, threesomes, and briefly dated a V cute femmy guy). Have not been with a trans person yet but I would

>>13822728
Dobber is a furry

>>13822714
I guess what's tripping me up is that it only asks about selling covered puts/calls, I can't see the naked option..

>>13822705
One reason homosexuality was so widely practiced in ancient times was because how much time was available to men of even moderate means to hone their body, exercise and pay attention to their appearances, while the diet of the time was generally much more healthy than the capitalist excess we are presented with today. Women in those days, with a few rare exceptions, were discouraged from exercise and were encouraged to stay in the house, and thus were uglier as a result. Today, however, where women often rely on their sex appeal for their status in society, good grooming, exercise and the like are hot commodities.

I can only dream of the day where we have curbed these excesses and exercise, good diets and grooming come naturally to everyone. When men and women both excel as exemplars of the human form, and bisexuality blossoms as a result.

If bonds and interest rates have an inverse relationship, why are aus bond yields at record lows of 1.6-1.7% when interest rates are also low as fuck at 1.5%?

>>13822798
based and Aeon of Horuspilled
>>13822793
might have something to do with your trading permissions, some brokers don't like you selling naked contracts and taking on so much risk if you don't specifically opt in

>>13822798
>>13822705
>Anarcho trans gay communism is a viable ideology

>>13822786
There is absolutely no conceivable way you should know this info. Also, birds don't have fur.

>>13822808
bond PRICES and interest rates are inversely related. Yields are determined by interest rates (yield is just the interest rate plus a risk premium).

when interest rates fall, all the previous bonds issued at higher interest rates get a higher price (think principal), so that the yield is uniform across the market.

>>13822838
>anarchosyndicalist eco-facism is a viable ideology

>>13822846
Oh thanks
So if it's a bond etf, you don't really notice much change because the capital increase offsets the lower interest payments?

You know what I find obnoxious? Why traders feel the need to hide what they are Mamet money off of. Like seriously if you don’t work for the company then it’s obviously not insider trading and you’re just some dude who picked up a good one so why not share the wealth?
Honest question too I just had a conversation with some dude from work about some of the IPO’s being released and he refused to give me one that he claims is going to ZM levels on the fly like what the fuck gives guys? Aren’t we all trying to make it TOGETHER?

Remember to think about RKG today
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egregore

>>13822846
Here's a helpful equation I use to think about it:
The change in price = (Current Rate/Future Rate) - 1 (the current price)

>>13822894
With a bond ETF what happens is that you'll get a better price but lower interest payments as a dividend from the fund.

>>13822798
The same fat disgusting pig women that hate capitalism are the ones currently pushing the 'healthy at any weight' mantra. Bisexuality will never blossom even in your utopian vision.

You are way too wedded to the notion that all the evils around you are caused by one source.

>>13822841
nikkinikki can see through time, he saw that you admitted it just then. It's a big secret that time is just the projection of an idea into linear manifestation. What we experience as time progressing forwards is just the decay and involution of this idea projected as experienced reality.
>>13822864
Kabbalistic mystic-reactionary Brown-Red allied post-post-left anarcho-aristocratic breakaway-hierarchical ethno-economical caste system is viable ideology

>>13822941
A bad thing I've been thinking about bond ETFs is their variable payout rate. I don't have it on hand but you can see vanguard bond ETF yield continue to fall over time with interest rates, while actively choosing bonds would have let you keep your yields higher
However they definitely have way better liquidity than bonds
How do I buy Ukrainian bonds??

>>13822912
>Pepe the Frog is an egregore

No wonder she likes guro so much. She an ero-gore.

My trading platform fucked up the reverse split on SQQQ.

Should I put in a sell order and try to cash out the $400,000?

>>13822841
I was only 90% sure, until you recommended that movie this week

it better be a masterpiece

>>13822962
>The same fat disgusting pig women that hate capitalism
You confuse ideology for a material system. There are many people who critique capitalism who are totally caught up in it, most people in fact.

>You are way too wedded to the notion that all the evils around you are caused by one source.
Most evil is caused by randomness. After that, most of it's caused by people who obsess about others. After that, it's capitalism.
Out of the three, only the third can be changed.

>>13822798
>When men and women both excel as exemplars of the human form, and bisexuality blossoms as a result.

Your own kind would lynch you for such words.

>>13822992
It is a fantastic movie. A classic, in fact. It should be preserved in the Library of Congress.

>>13822968
>I don't have it on hand but you can see vanguard bond ETF yield continue to fall over time with interest rates,
What's the time frame for that do you know?

I've definitely been leaning more towards physical bonds over funds lately. sure the liquidity is worse but considering I'm working on a time-scale of years or months at a minimum, I'm not that worried about it.

>How do I buy Ukrainian bonds??
No idea. I imagine you'd need to convert money to the currency their denominated in first.

>>13823006
I don't have "kind"

>>13823012
absolute kino

>>13822994
Ah yes. They're not 'true' anti-capitalists like yourself. Obsession with others, much like most mental and spiritual aspects of life, was addressed by religion. The last thing modern academics will ever admit is that they can't have a decent populace without religion.

So go ahead and change the 'system'. I'm sure it will make up for a rotten people.

>>13823051
>They're not 'true' anti-capitalists like yourself.
I am also completely operating from within capitalism, in case posting on /biz/ didn't give it away.

>much like most mental and spiritual aspects of life, was addressed by religion
I'm already a condemned catholic.

>I'm sure it will make up for a rotten people.
This is idealism.

>>13822963
...nikkinikki?

>>13822991
jeez how the fuck many SQQQ's did you buy?

>>13822841
I always see your name and think doberman, kinda thought you might be a dog guy.

>>13823073
I believe I've already told you that in a decade you will be far less cynical about life. And yes, you are cynical. And only that.

When you get time to relax, accept the imperfections of the modern day, and realize its not that bad, then you'll be more than 'operating form within capitalism'. You will be a capitalist.

>>13822991
woahhhhhhh

>>13823093

>jeez how the fuck many SQQQ's did you buy?

I purchased 10412 before the reverse split. They've updated the price but haven't given me less shares...yet?

>>13823107
I don't think everyday life is that bad anon, and I am all for the development of capitalism, the faster that occurs the better, as otherwise we may hit the ecological or other external limit before hitting a much softer economic or political limit. Yes, let's open up every market, build every business, let competition flourish, push the rate of profit down further.

I'm already relaxing as it is since I've got nothing else to do besides apply for jobs. It's absolutely awful. I can't go anywhere without driving and I can't start any projects without feeling like I should be doing something more important.

>>13823141
I see...
I bought 10 SDOW today and felt like a risk-taker...

>>13823032
Oh I'm not actually buying bonds, that's just my meta thoughts for bond ETFs.
There are better options for people parking cash or trying for fixed income

>>13823041
quick rundown on the file names when

>>13822194
>>13821904
>>13821674
>>13821447
1.I'm not Pendulum
2.I'm not gay
3. I feel i'm actually nice to a lot of people in here. Pendulum is one that doesn't actually just respond to any DD or reasoning I have with obnoxious shit posting that most of the time has nothing to do with the actual company we are discussing.
4. Pendulum is one of the few in here that actually post some actual DD on his picks. He will post full on paragraphs just to have autist screech at him.. I respect anyone that will go out of their way and post some DD for everyone.

Hate it all you want but if you are gunna screech at people maybe have some quality post once in awhile

LCI to $100

>>13823168
>I can't start any projects without feeling like I should be doing something more important.
God damn it.

I had 29 SDOW before the split, and now I have 7. Did I get jewed out of a share?

>>13823181
what do you think is better?

I recently put up a couple thousand bucks towards buying 5 year treasuries directly and plan to put in the paperwork to transfer them over to my broker. Almost certainly better yields than using the brokerage's system.

>>13823199

They should pay out that share for you.

>>13823189
huh?

>>13823208
Oh no sorry I wrote that confusingly. Bonds are great for parking cash and fixed income.
If you aren't doing it in a ROTH or 401k it's better to buy Muni bonds because taxes cut into the T bond yield by 25%
The only thing bad about munis are they are often illiquid and have high minimum orders

>>13823168
Thats not relaxing. You can't be relaxing if there is a major element eating at the back of your mind like a lack of a job. Or house. Or some other major hurdle. Something that makes you feel incomplete.

When you get truly stable, where you can go about your daily life for months at a time without that quiet, persistent anxiety. Thats when you get to relax. And thats when you will change. Without even knowing it. It'll come.

And since you've mentioned driving multiple times my bet would be you have a fear or phobia of it. Am I right?

>>13823256
As someone who's already worked in the financial sector, I can assure you that resuming my line of work will only foster more disgust for capitalism at the macro level.

>And since you've mentioned driving multiple times my bet would be you have a fear or phobia of it. Am I right?
I wouldn't call it a phobia, I'm a geniunely terrible driver.

>>13823291
There is no line of work that won't make you hate the entire sector. Once you get to see the underbelly it disgusts you. But you will accept it. And when you step back and view everything as a whole, its not so bad.

Have you ever been in an accident caused by yourself? I bet you haven't. I bet you've done things that were questionable on the road and put yourself in the mind of other people judging you as incompetent. And then tortured yourself a thousand times over for non-existent sins.

>>13823291
>I'm a genuinely terrible driver.
I bet you've never been court ordered to take a driving class under the threat of having your license revoked.

>t. court ordered to take a driving class or have his license revoked.

>>13823256
So if you never make it, you'll never be able to relax? Sounds about right.

>>13823358
This is pretty well said and coming to this realization saved me from being angry all the time after months of strife

>>13823402
If in your subconscious you do not feel adequate then you won't be relaxing. You will have a constant underlying stress. A job is usually the most important element if only because it allows a person to know they are pulling their own weight.

>>13820001
Objectively this

>>13821192
11.5k a year? How you live on that? Maybe if you are on social security too

>you will never be a Chad in Oxford during the 1970s and get to taste Theresa May's virgin snatch

Confess

>>13823718
I'd fugging get that :3

>>13823749
I had to sell everything this week. My car broke down, i had extra bills and had tuition due at the end of the month. I wouldn't have had to sell if it wasn't for the car, turns out my deductable is incredibly high so the insurance wouldn't give me cent.
I'm glad I had all that money saved up from the last two years but losing it over dumb life stuff is sad. I'll be starting from the bottom with my new deposit on Tuesday morning, I'll probably use Ally Invest this time

>>13823807

>investing before you have an emergency fun

I SHIGGY DIGGY DING DONG DIDGERIDOO

>>13823850
PEP is the only savings I need

>>13823397
only been asked to driving class once? thats nothing (also, was it because of points on license? or due to cop's demanding it (via the state) both are not fun)

i bet you can actually pass the vision test?
>need an eye doctor's note every time i go to the DMV or i lose my license on the spot

also my state has the highest auto insurance rates in the fucking country, and since i have a penis insurance costs more that fucking any car payments (unless you buy a vehicle that costs six figures or more)


>>13823807
I know that feel

>about to lose out on at least half my portfolio because need a new car (2 years of savings) at least
>selling some 'stuff' on the side past few weeks is the only reason im not broke already

being unemployed sucks

>>13823807
Jesus dude that's rough.
But life stuff is the primary purpose of money, even though it hurts to have to lose it when a car breaks down or you gotta visit the ER.
What do you study?

>>13823850
What's an emergency fund, 2K? 10K?

>>13823463
So yeah, I'll never relax... Until I can chase out the demons that have plagued me since...

>>13824092
I read that as you got insurance for your penis lawl

It's almost here! My ODP baby is going to pay out its fat divvy!

Oh so Chinese ambassador to America claim both sides still haven't started anything about whether the two leaders are going to meet each other in the G20
Also,
>Asked about Chinese retaliation to the U.S.’s Huawei moves, Cui said “we will do whatever’s necessary to protect the legitimate interests of our companies, of our people and of our country.”
>“If things are moving in the wrong direction, then you could see a response very soon,” he said about the timetable for a Huawei response. “But if we could work together to push in the right direction, then things will get better of course.”
Seems like they still want to discuss about Huawei's situation instead of retaliating immediately, but in the (likely) situation that talk fails, then they will probably start retaliating after that.

>>13824437
imagine selling your flagship huawei phone at a $3-500 loss because it won't get future OS updates, only for the huawei ban to be reversed lol

>>13818629
>Help this anon out of a jam.
Next time don't do what you did

music for that weekend feel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDHQaq3D5vU

>>13824745
https://youtu.be/26N7oDrKC4I

I think bunch of the pro-Musk camp is rather deluded.

>>13825185
Yes.

I wanna reduce one of my positions and DCA into NVDA.

Am I throwing good money after bad?

>>13824556
imagine selling your flagship huawei phone at a $3-500 loss because it won't get future OS updates.
Unless your company policy dictate that you must use the most updated version of os available, lack of future os update shouldn't make a 300-500 usd different in value.
And even then, a better approach would be use it till after next os version is out and then trade in for a new phone with new os directly

>>13825603
Thanks for your posts fren.
I wonder how huawei will try to fix this, if they have an OS in the works that can manage to do half the things a normal smart phone can do.

This actually could be good, in the long run, for them. If they manage to get better at in-house development on the software/firmware/OS side. Similarly with the changes they will have to make to their supply chain, it will make moves like this less effective against China in the future.

Same with the effect that the swine disease is having on their pork, they will have to start developing more centralized large scale farming like in the US. Unfortunately it’s pretty bad for livestock and creates lower quality meat than grassfeeding, and increases the problem of antibiotic resistant bacteria. But it will create a stronger agricultural system if the government handles it competently.

As long as their phones can run BiliBili’s quality anime and mobile games (imported from Japan) then I’m happy.

>>13822565
!! sorry missed you >_<
me am of ok
back in day used be top 10
but now reaction speed and micro am like half of what used be

now rely on ambushes and flanks for wins >_>

Only way this economy gets unfucked is by gutting its stomach, and letting corporate debt implode.

>>13825750
>Same with the effect that the swine disease is having on their pork, they will have to start developing more centralized large scale farming like in the US. Unfortunately it’s pretty bad for livestock and creates lower quality meat than grassfeeding, and increases the problem of antibiotic resistant bacteria. But it will create a stronger agricultural system if the government handles it competently.
I am not seeing any significant changes to their pig farms even after the disease

>>13825750
>As long as their phones can run BiliBili’s quality anime and mobile games (imported from Japan) then I’m happy.
Well, if you are satisfied that sometimes you can only watch half of an episode because of censorship

>>13825459
Why is NVDA crashing anyway

>>13825750
>I wonder how huawei will try to fix this, if they have an OS in the works that can manage to do half the things a normal smart phone can do.
To a regular Chinese consumer, a phone that have no American components installed is not going to make any significant difference, as most of those services are already blocked anyway. The main problem is other markets like Europe. And that's something they cannot solve alone by themselves because those people in other countries rely on American apps.

>>13825854
Is there a reason you're acting like a Giga faggot?

>>13823718
oxford (by reputation) is gayer than these threads
ladies there are only getting fucked for diversion or by mistake

the British academics are all about that man-ass

>>13826033
ever read Brideshead Revisited? It sums it up pretty well, amazing novel too. It cracks me up how pretty much 100% of upper-class British academics got buggered in school

>>13826077
nah I can't read

but yeah they are all ultra-gay

it's like that thing where modern historians who want to get people to buy their books start claiming that literally every historical character was gay (Lincoln, Hitler, Washington, Napoleon, Alex the great, .... everyone...). And it's all sort of made up.

But for famous Brits from the last 100 years, they all had true gay man-on-man encounters in school. And they all wrote the proof themselves!
They all wrote about it their journals and letters (back when people kept journals and had physical evidence of correspondence).

A bit messed up if you ask me, the French are actually less gay by comparison

>>13825984
you should ask yourself same question first O_O

* Galaxy brain: why don't they just canal through Dubai to Fujairah *

>>13822714
Have the IBKR option traders woken up yet

>>13826346
I was wondering why they just don't pipeline it over land through the UAE
They could go between those cities you mentioned

you would have to spend a decent amount to build the pipeline, then you would have to have boats that just travel the gulf to Dubai, and the main ocean-going fleet wouldn't have to go into the gulf

If they don't do this now, the reason is because the Iranian threat to the straits isn't worth the multi-billion dollar investment to build the pipeline and change all the logistics.
But if Iran ever chimps out even a little, you might see a pipeline being built realll quick
canal? no that's silly and would be many times more expensive

>>13826384
>the Iranian threat to the straits isn't worth [it]
This is my interpretation too. Taking the risk through the straight > working with dumb fuck sand niggers 76 IQ on a fucking massive infra project.

lol

>>13826346
>>13826384
they do >_>
theyve been trying make canals there for, since pretty much begging of history
and pipelines keep getting rekt by TERRORISTS

>>13826395
well, I should have googled it first.

There is a small pipeline:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habshan%E2%80%93Fujairah_oil_pipeline

BUT it can only do 1.5 million barrels per day, they would need to increase the pipeline by 10x or more to replace all the sea trade. This then requires 10x the pumping facilities and maintenance costs...

The other main problem is the lack of on-shoring facilities on the Gulf side. Building those would probably be on the order of hundreds of millions (to supply current max flow)

Xiaomi at about 1,11 Euro at the moment. Should I buy or wait how the trade war goes on?

>DeleteFacebook is trending again
lmao we're crashing over the weekend. FAANG gang about to be spooked.

>>13826657
Trade war ain't gonna last for 4 more months. Yuan is at its cheapest, Shanghai at its cheapest, whole China is a bargain while US is having an expensive garage sale.

>>13826811
Pls no
Trump has already ruined me

4chan's retarded system thinks Nature, one of the most prestigious scientific journals in the world, is spam

>Lastly, we herein show that Gal-3 expression is significantly increased in the frontal lobe of AD patients in parallel with enhanced Aβ oligomerization, and that the serum level of Gal-3 increases with the severity of memory loss in AD patients. The latter result is consistent with a previous report that the serum level of Gal-3 is elevated in AD patients [20]. Accumulating evidence demonstrates that Aβ oligomers play important and pathogenic roles in AD [44, 45]. Thus, compounds that work against the aggregation of Aβ oligomers are considered to have therapeutic potential against AD [46]. In this context, the present work further suggests that agents capable of downregulating Gal-3 expression could also be ideal candidates as novel therapeutic agents to combat AD.

>>13827601

>>13824366
The Last Dividend

>>13827601
>>13827610
one obvious issue with using GALT's drug for Alzheimer's is that it's a large molecule drug, which means it can't cross the blood-brain barrier, but there is a way that the blood-brain barrier can be bypassed (it's generally used to administer chemo drugs to people with brain cancer)

>>13827442
FAANG is literally the dotcom bubble 2.0. You ruined yourself if you blindly helped inflate it.
>Hurr companies that sell ads and move products are worth 100x the companies whose products they are advertising and moving

>>13827732
Sort of
Buying the FAANG and FAANG-like stocks at ATH at this point in the cycle is a bit odd
But the advertising those companies are making are real. They’re making lots of money. The risk is that if the supply of easy money and debt in the economy dries up. Then advertising can still continue for a few quarters before advertising revenues necessarily start to decline (cost per click)

You know while advertising is really big for Facebook, google, and Twitter especially, all of those companies also have other revenue streams. And of course AAPL, AMZN, NFLX, etc. aren’t as advertising-dependent

>>13827732
What percentage of spy (US 500) is pure faang?

>>13828055
FAG > FAANG

>>13828055
https://www.etf.com/SPY

12.04%

>>13828103
That's not too bad.
In aus banks and miners make up 50% of our top 200 by market cap, which means etfs lack diversity.

>>13828158
not exactly an expert on economics, but it's interesting how little economic diversity some countries (Venezuela, Kuwait, etc) can have
imagine depending almost entirely on one industry and then having that industry go tits up (like it did in Venezuela)

>>13828208
If our 4 big banks went tits up I'd have more problems than my shares being worth nothing

>First American Bank Corp has leaked 885 million records including social security numbers and bank statements online
Jesus.
Hope you guys bought puts yesterday.

>>13827876
Well good thing the supply of easy money could never dry up. You're proving my point. Buybacks have financed basically all of the market growth for the last few years, inflating a bubble, the worst of which is concentrated in tech.

Sure AAN have non-advertising revenue, but all three companies are about to get crushed in the next credit tightening and trade drawdown. These companies have already started to crack at even the hint of fed changing policy

>>13828666
Yeah, that’s fine. I just wanted to point out two things:
The advertising money that these companies are making is real, and it is a lot. It doesn’t matter what the difference is between the size of Google and the companies it advertises for. It’s making advertising money from EVERYONE.

The dotcom bubble had PE’s far above what we’re seeing today. Those companies values were in completely uncharted territory. The values of companies today are more realistic in terms of their earnings. The only question there, is if the currently anticipated earnings growth will be achieved. Some would say no, because the earnings and the economy are running with too low interest rates. But again, we’re in completely uncharted territory right now in terms of where we are in the economic cycle, political and trade considerations around the globe, and central bank policy. There have been people forecasting every manner of doom since at least 2013. But we don’t know what’s gonna happen.

Personally
Right now I can see both ways as far as the indices go. There isn’t a strong enough case to go hard long or hard short from this position.
But, I do see a LOT of possibilities for commodities plays with very decent risk/reward. Looking for individual stocks to hold the next two years, as well as a decent pile of cash and cash-likes is also good.

>>13828666
And no one thinks the Fed is going to get any less dovish.
Whether they had to threaten our guy Jerome or whatever, if the Fed even hints at raising rates in the next 6 months some people on Wall Street are gonna have heart attacks. Trump might strangle someone. It’s just completely priced out right now.
And I don’t see a case for the money train to go off the rails anytime soon.
Chinks, euros, whatever can do what they want, I don’t think they can really pull the dollar or yields super hard no matter what they try. And even if Oil, wheat, and other food commodities REALLY spike hard this summer I think the dollar can hold even keel

(Don’t even bring up those little zoomer computer monies haha)

>>13828792
Advertising is a derivative revenue source. When the whole market declines advertisers suffer disproportionately due to depending on EVERYONE and having no intrinsic value.

https://thesoundingline.com/dividends-and-buybacks-now-larger-than-total-reported-earnings-for-the-entire-sp-500/

That you recognize how utterly critical it is that Powell is trapped printing money for free to keep this all going should reveal how perilous this house of cards is. I agree, it could keep going for a while off the cliff before gravity takes hold, like an old looney tunes cartoon, but rest assured when the fall happens it will be biblical due to all this denial about sensible fiscal policy.

>>13828666
Checked, satans trips.
This is exactly the scenario.
Equities are being kept inflated by the credit markets right now. When the credit markets seize up equities will correct big. Historically after a yield curve inversion this is anywhere from 0-2 years.

Fuck bros. I miss Obama

>>13828666
Actually I keep seeing things in this post that I want to reply to :p. It’s a good post, and I’m at work on a slow day.

As far as the worst of the credit bubble being in tech:
No way, not at all. Companies like TSLA and NFLX can be seen as way inflated. But outside of them, companies like Google, Apple, Microsoft, Amazon are in a great place as far as money. These companies earning will be reduced by a market downturn, but not any more than other companies in and out of tech.
In fact the size, integration, and management competence of corporations like apple, Amazon, Microsoft, google, etc. should make them MUCH more likely to sustain or grow market share even in a sales-challenged environment.
There has been a lot of talk, articles written about so called ‘zombie companies’, who would have gone bankrupt but can lurch on because of low-interest financing. These are the companies (some in tech, but just as many in any sector) who will be crunched when (if?) money gets harder to come by. And the when could be a while.

>>13829269
"STATISTICS," Thomas Carlyle, the Scottish writer and philosopher remarked, "are the greatest liars of them all."

>>13829281
Bruh. Obama was the best presidents in a long time

>>13829147
>advertising freezing up
I don’t think that will happen like that. We will we advertising slow down sure. These companies will have to start being more competitive, I think you will see cost per click falling and everyone freaking out during the announcement (earnings, guidance, or other).
But the clicks will still be there, and advertisers will pay for them.
Look at the end of last year. Did you notice any difference in advertisements, any companies pulling ads, falling cost per click? Nothing major. It takes a little bit longer to work through to the price side of things. And even if, for example google, has some advertisers pull out from their service, as long as clicks are still there, they just redirect that advertisement to the remaining sponsors.
I guess I’d just say, I see the criticisms of the online advertising business, but don’t underestimate it. There have been people saying for the last 5+ years that companies like Facebook would never even be profitable from online ads. But they definitely are. Don’t underestimate the ability to generate value when some clever (((entrepreneurial))) computer and marketing people get together.

>biblical
I don’t think we know how bad it could be. Might be a really tough couple decades, but I’m hopeful that even if things really pop as bad as the bearest bears (polar, grizzly, and kodiac) can imagine we won’t see starvation-level scenario in North America.
But yeah things could get pretty bad.
Alternatively, there is a scenario where the market makers can more or less ride the bear and we crab back and for (but down) in equity markets and the real economy until we reach some stable floor. I think the super-bullish possibilities of 3k+ with strong fundamentals aren’t impossible, but they need some serious material science breakthrough. We’ve been somewhat coasting since the internet and smartphone revolutions, but that doesn’t mean some new hot thing couldn’t jump start the world economy.

>>13829147
I’m just trying to present the ‘moderate’ or ‘gentle’ bearish case (like a panda bear, or the sun bear, which is the smallest Ursidae).
I’m no expert on the credit markets, and they’re definitely questionable right now. But I think that assuming complete and rapid meltdown in the corporate credit market could be premature. Definitely on the radar, but there are other future possibilities.
And of course of course of course I agree that the current situation is terrible for having a robust and functional economy. I think most people agree on that, those who don’t are not paying attention.
But as an investor, as a trader, I can’t just leave it at that. An economy without much structural integrity can see indices advancing, just like it is possible for an economy with structural integrity to have underperforming equities of certain time frames.
We have to chart all the possible futures for equities, commodities, currencies, and fixed income sources. Can’t just say “ah it’s fuxked” and leave it at that

>3 day weekend

>>13829588
I'm sorry I cant give you the more lengthy reply your posts deserve (I must go plug in ~500 SFP+ connectors), but I believe that the boomer's greed and lack of preparation for retirement precludes any kind of soft landing. They need equity and credit markets inflated as much as possible for as long as possible to keep funding their selfishness, and wield an unfortunate amount of political power to enforce this. They'll keep blowing it up and reinforcing the holes until it pops catastrophically.

Next credit crunch will see MMT become an adult. Zero or negative interest rates, even more massive deficit spending, and UBI or helicopter money.

Real estate and stocks will moon (in USD). Crypto will mega-moon as capital controls, new taxes, and negative interest rates on savings cause a capital flight from fiat.

The wealth divide will grow bigger. Society will become increasingly divided between property owning masters and indebted slaves. The slaves will be the biggest proponents of their own enslavement.

>>13829783
The wealth divide will explode thanks to Central banks fucking with rates, Government printing money for deficit spending etc. Yes.

> Society will become increasingly divided between property owning masters and indebted slaves. The slaves will be the biggest proponents of their own enslavement.
It's a divide between those who get money first and those who get it last

Hmm I could do a split. Roll everything into AMRN, then once I get my Profit from it. Put 10k into T. Assuming T stock is at 30.50 that'd get me 300+ shares. After 26 years I'd get 34k in Divvy income. But I'd have to get the ARMN profits within 3 years for this to work.

AMRN Profits - 74,000.00 (Top End)
T (300+ shares) - 10,000.00

Have 64,000.00 left over. Split that. 32k in my high yield bank account @1.0% rate (non touchable and add to it/let grow for 10 yrs)
32k in my "shit happens" account @ at suck bag 0.25% rate

>>13829783
Where to read up on MMT?

>41% of stocks above their 50-day moving average

J U S T

nvs is in the news for fda approval of most expensive drug but the stock really hasnt moved much. worth it to buy in this week?

>>13829694
I mean we can talk shit on the boomers all day, I have no issue with that.
It is important that history should always understand and remember that the economic (in terms of structural integrity if not prices), cultural, and social decline of the last several decades is entirely of their making.
Whatever the media tries to spin it as, it is the great boomer crash of 20xx.

But we have to consider what things will look like if the Fed goes BoJ on the monetary supply and equity markets.
How many more years does that buy us, what does the aftermath look like when it ends?

The boomers will not go gracefully (to be rude and direct, most graceful thing for the boomers would have been to exit public and private life several decades ago). We’re way beyond that point. The boomers have one, maybe two presidential terms left to enforce their will, then whatever vestiges are left in power after that.

I think the central bank and economic apparatus might get VERY creative and come up with some things no one is predicting to try and keep this leaky boat on top of the water. You might be surprised at what a boomer can get done when it’s their head on the block and their vacations are threatened ;^)

And again, there are lots of potential black swan/ white swan events if we’re talking about the entire next couple of decades. Really have to make sure you take EVERYTHING into account when making the long term/ big picture moves
Make sure you have some real estate and ways to profit off the boomers going into this. Not the overpriced boomer McMansions that no one wants to buy, useful real estate and productive assets

What does /smg/ think of Newell? Especially divbro who seems to have gone on vacation this weekend.

>>13825905
>I am not seeing any significant changes to their pig farms even after the disease
I don't think the disease is done. Farmers are afraid to report when they have diseased pigs because it would inconvenience local government officials who oversee them, and because they only have small amounts of pig farms.

If you own 10 pigs, and one of them is diseased, you might just ignore it and try to get it slaughtered with all the rest.
If you own 10,000 pigs and 1000 of them are diseased, you're going to dispose of those pigs and try to get compensated by the government because there's too much risk for you, and the government is somewhat dependent on you as a food producer.

I can't imagine the Chinese government would not realize that better regulation is necessary. And regulation favors large firms, because of cost. But also it's easier for the government if they have less farmers to regulate.

>>13825913
>Well, if you are satisfied that sometimes you can only watch half of an episode because of censorship
I was only joking because I own a few shares of BiliBili and I love the idea of it. It was a foolish use of money. However, the "gatcha" phenomenon seems to be under-utilized in China, because of the government's attitude towards gambling, gaming, and erotic illustrations. If a mobile gaming company is to succeed in China, it's likely going to be a Chinese company, especially one that has the backing of their most significant entrepreneur, Jack Ma.

>>13825939
>The main problem is other markets like Europe. And that's something they cannot solve alone by themselves because those people in other countries rely on American apps.
Excellent point, thank you. I hadn't thought of it that way.

>>13830819
I’m in Newell pretty heavy

>>13830940
Too late to buy in? Also is that divvy sustainable? I’ve only been watching it for about a month now.

>>13830940
I like your essays anon, you seem like not a shitposter. Do you have a thread identity or something? Who are you?

Also
>Buying the FAANG and FAANG-like stocks at ATH at this point in the cycle is a bit odd
Apple is quite a ways away from it's ATH. I know it could easily get slashed more, which is why I only bought one share, but compared to Amazon and Microsoft, it seems to have really come back in. I guess google took a beating too, after it's CC.

>>13830958
The basics: it’s a consumer goods company that owns a lot of brands. It’s a turnaround play. Earnings are down but the stock price has also been sold down really low. The current and near-future dividend yield isn’t the focus at all.
The main thing you want to look at for NWL is the ‘golden sharpie’ long term turnaround play where they pay down their debt, lower expenses, and maintain or increase revenues over a couple years. In that case there will be an increase in share price and in dividend (in very general terms, imagine if their stock value increases to 20, 25, 30 dollars and they pay a decent yield for that stock price)
For now NWL is spread rather wide and needs to sell some of their brands. This will generate cash and decrease expenses.

To get an idea of the numbers involved, read their last two ERs and then one from like 2 years ago

>>13830958
there are companies that pay similar or higher dividend with less risk (T, MO, RDS)

>>13831015
I’m ReTQ54qY poster
I’m at work typing essays on my phone. Stream of consciousness. Getting things done at work too though.

>>13831106
>ReTQ54qY
Ah. You're the anon who cracked the code of Galt/LCI. Got it.

Working on a saturday?
Goodluck Fampai.

>>13831089
>only paying attention to current dividend yield
Okay I’m going to illustrate this with an example

The year is 2007. Any time in 2007.
T is valued at $40 per share and pays 0.33 per quarter. It has maintained or increased its dividend for (at the time) the last 22 years. (You even are allowed a mystical premonition: T will continue to maintain or increase its dividend for AT LEAST the next 12 years, until 2019).

There are other stocks you could buy, too. One of these is AAPL, which in 2007 is trading for $12 and pays out $0. It used to pay a dividend back in the 80’s, but hasn’t payed out a dime since 1995.

Now if you chose based on the current dividend yield or dividend growth at the time, you would have bought T. If you had selected based on earnings growth, you would have picked AAPL.
In 2019, your 1 share of T has declined in value by ~$10. It pays a WHOPPING $2 per year.
The THREE shares of AAPL that you could have bought instead have increased by more than 10x and pay out $3 per year

>>13831089
I’m a cheap starting investor and that $15 price is what is attracting me. It’s the reason I bought ford at 8.50 and I haven’t regretted that so far
>>13831085
So my big worry is I’m going to get fucked with a div cut like I did when I bought KHC at 45. I like that they confirmed the next one, but the stock keeps hitting all time lows. Any idea when you think that turn around is gonna start? Still feels like a falling knife right now.

>>13831355
We could be hard on the AAPL buyer and make them buy the top in 2008 for $25. We could let the T buyer buy the $23 lows in 2005 or 2009.
The point is, AAPL still wins. Not even the massive AAPL stock price, just the dividend alone wins.
This doesn’t even mention that if aapl put their buyback money into the divvy it would explode. They don’t because it’s disadvantageous for tax reasons.

“But wait”, the /smg/ dividend buyer says, “ I’m supposed to buy stocks based on dividend yield and dividend growth if I want to be a dividend king! AAPL still isn’t even a doc aristocrat! Their yield is under 2%!!”
The point I’m strawmanning so hard to illustrate is that current dividend yield really isn’t that important.
The long-term doc yield of AAPL, if you bought at $12, is 25%.
There are companies who currently pay no dividend whose future dividend payments will be a significant portion, possibly over 100%, of their current share price.
There are also companies with GREAT divvy yields right now whose future yield will be zero.
You have to focus on future earnings, business opportunities and risks, management, etc. etc.

I keep seeing people in these threads ceaselessly for months posting divvy yields like it really matters. It does, but only in conjunction with a lot of other information. If you just say “x has higher yield than y”, that piece of information is useless

>>13831438
Just let it fall and bottom out. I’m already in, I’m not worried about it, I don’t think it will go down much further ex-market.
If you aren’t in it now, no rush. Take your time and watch it. Told the rat the same thing about 3M, these big conglomerate-style companies don’t turn on a dime.
Don’t wait until the week or two before their next earnings if you see them start to staircase up. If the price looks good ~12 trading days before their Q2 earnings, that’s an okay place to make your long term buys

>>13831355
Gonna play doubles advocate here and say what happens if you bought both a year ago? Sure, T has barely moved, but you’ve been sitting pretty collecting the div with no worries. Meanwhile, you’ve been shitting your pants wondering if you’ll ever make back your losses buying Apple. Growth is always riskier, but yeah it has much greater rewards. Recently, I’m been looking for stocks that have the chance for decent value, plus okay growth. I was sick of stocks blasting off or taking a dump every few months and then playing with my dick every time I was wrong about growth. I mentioned before, I hate how much I lost buying KHC, but at least I can soak up my tears with the dividend, even if it is much smaller than when I bought it.

>>13831497
Pretty solid illustration of why I question the wisdom of collecting "T-babies" and assuming they'll fund your retirement, though that poster will be fine with his pension and 401k.

>future earnings, business opportunities and risks, management, etc
Management is why I think AAPL will prove to be a bargain here. I imagine that Tim is making moves to prepare for any outcome. If China really cuts off its nose and fucks Apple over, it'll be a real bargain when it crashes.

And Tim might actually be cool with the price dropping, he loves stock buybacks.

Altria though, that's the one I feel really hopeful about future opportunities with. But really frightened by risks. Tobacco is easy to bully around and an easy target for politicians.

>>13831549
>Gonna play doubles advocate
Pretty much stopped reading there, but caught this tidbit:
>I hate how much I lost buying KHC, but at least I can soak up my tears with the dividend
I know I shouldn't buy high and sell low, but I cut my losses with KHC. I think they have a slow, long-term turnaround possibility, but I think I can put my money in places that will make it grow much faster than it will with KHC.

I feel like I'm doing the exact wrong thing though, by continuing to realize losses rather than wait for prices to fluctuate back up.

>>13831547
>MMM
God damn it I'm too overexposed to China. Why did I buy... I think I just have to leave it alone for now... It's really a struggle on deciding whether to cut losses or ride it out.

>>13831438
>Still feels like a falling knife right now
whole consumer staple sector are looking for floor atm and KHC leading charge downward

imo XLP look like it about fall off cliff again
KHC prob going to $25 ;_;

>>13823807
Oh your car broke down? what did you expect when you deliver pizzas in the middle of potato fields? you think the car will last forever? you didn't have a car fund? Jesus christ kid how old are you? 19?

Do yourself.. get off 4chan.. pull your fist out of your ass.. wipe your cum off your face and go get a real job

>>13823807
Reminder that this is a person giving financial advice.

>>13830896
>swine disease
It is not done yet.
It is not just farmers who don't want to report, but local government and such are also discouraging it and that result in quite a number of unreported cases it seems.
In some cases those farmers even have to go online and publish the situation of their farms themselves in order to make the government confirm those farms are affected by the swine disease.
>If a mobile gaming company is to succeed in China, it's likely going to be a Chinese company,
All mobile games in China have to be operated by a Chinese company, that's the law requirement.
I don't think Alibaba is a significant player there, compare to like Tencent or Netease.

>>13831549
The point I really wanted to try to make was about the importance of future dividend yield, and it seems that it didn’t really get through.
If your investing strategy is some weird short term yield thing, then go for it. But if you’ve got a 5, 20, 40 year investing plan then you really aren’t doing yourself any favors by just looking at current yields.
If I compare something a little bigger than just aapl vs T, I’m looking at QQQ vs SPYV. If you compare the yield growth, QQQ hasn’t quite passed SPYV yet, it’s about halfway there. QQQ yielded about 0.8% in 2011 and 2019, SPYV about 2.45% through the duration.
But as a proportion of your 2011 buy-in price, the current yields are 2.7% and 5.4%. Of course qqq did more than 3x and SPYV only 2x in that duration. But as time goes by, the realized yield of the instrument that has more earnings growth will always be higher. Don’t fall for the ‘higher yield now’ trap. Let time work for you (in general. Not advising anyone to all in QQQ or AAPL right now).

>>13831721
KHC will hold strong at 31, it has Gundanium support bought with a century worth of ketchup dollars.
Don’t forget the big picture!
KHC is on the road down from $90. The mid-40s prices that it fell off last ER were already low! This is the sub-basement catacombs.
This is the center of the earth, where true ketchup and macaroni can be mined
They literally can’t go any lower, any direction they go is up

Yeah XLP might have a rough 4-8 months because I only see commodity prices going up from here

But if you hedge properly it’s all good :^)

I wonder how this pig ebola outbreak is going to affect lean hog futures

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>>13822585
Fuckin passable traps is based and pussy has become over rated. Bussy gang bussy gang!

>>13823193
Nigga you gay.

>>13832224
HE1! , up from ~55 to 86.45
Could easily see over 100, 150+ is extreme case (either extreme reality or extreme emotion)

Closest thing Robinhood has is COWS which has abysmal volume, it’s an ETN.
9.3M AUM :-/

>>13832224
It's going to drive prices up. The hogs of gains will be out on the loose.

>they think chip stocks are done crashing

>>13832326
Been watching COWS for a while, still don't understand commodities trading, but I'm sure commodities traders have already prepared themselves for what's next. They've known about this for a while now, weeks at least. I figured the moves were done when I heard about it weeks ago.

Wonder if there's still gains to be made in Tyson, Hormel, Archer, or the others.

>>13832540
I chose archer

>mfw buying V under $85 in 2 years time

>mfw cash for the next 555 days before the 45% crash led by overpriced FAANG stonks

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>>13823397
>tfw accidentally drove into incoming traffic the other day
it's only a matter of time

>>13832724
YOU WILL NEVER HAVE STABLE DIVIDENDS, STEVEN!

>>13832769

nice. saved.

>>13832769
BEAUTIFUL

Something else I think people don't understand is this;
I live in a low cost of living state. The only debt is my house (and that ain't really a debt seeing as how land/house prices will only go up over time). I make shit now (27k). That's before Taxes/Deductions/401k contribution. I'm still left with 300 - 400 over each month. That left over money gets dumped into the bank. Which is how I've been able to dump 13k or little over into the market lately.

So unless something really whacked happens and they jack up prices on everything to extreme levels I'll be getting by just fine later in life. Even supposing the cost of shit doubles in 15 yrs (unlikely) I'll still be ok. My pension alone will bring in 48k a year. Right now I get by with only around 15k expenses. I don't plan to live large as they say. Hell I plan to be as lazy a bum as I can get. Long as I can enjoy the outdoors on my rear deck with a cool drink during the summer months I'll be just fine.

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>>13832724
>CREEEEEAK
>YOU'RE FUCKED

does this meem have a name?

>>13833021
The only reason I'm trying to make more money via the market is for when "shit happens" I won't fall into the debt trap. Not to provide living expense income but to provide a way to avoid going into debt and then paying a shit load more over time paying the debt off. Fuck that. Yeah I gotta credit card and all that jazz but I only use it when some big ticket expense comes up.

>>13833036
It's a /tv/ meme simply titled Steven

>>13829269
Obama started near a decades low
Trump started near a decades high

theres a major difference (that being said, giving one person credit for the entire economic output of a country is retarded)

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