/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>13810540
It's likely that the keys got lost accidentally and nobody wants to admit that.

the USA would have done with the silk road coins instead of auctioning them if our Government weren't fucking retarded. luckily they didn't though because they would have probably killed bitcoin

>>13810865
Implying glow nigs dont still hold a fuckload and manipulate as they wish

>>13810540
>they hodld

Through the crash of the century lmfao

>>13810540
> 7 dec 2017
Hot news here

>>13810566
Those book names keke. Adidas tracksuit a good touch also.

>>13810873
sure, but they can already manipulate it by printing infinite dollars and using the futures market. I don't think it would help them in manipulation, rather the knowledge that they had these coins, if they were surrounded with uncertainty, would paralyze the market

>>13810566

Impressed by true understanding of Bulgaria, on this day of celebrating Cyrillic no less

>>13811060
Alwayc putc a cмile on мy faцe.

>>13810540
That bitcoin will make Bulgaria the richest country in eastern europe.

If not I eat my own dick.

>tfw no bulgarian qt

>>13810540
Might be true, and apparently were ceased from criminals, but the news are turbo-old.

bulgarian poorfag here with 0.3BTC. I hiiiighly doubt the bulgarian government holds the keys for those bitcorns. I mean our government and official are literally braindead

>>13811376

how many bitcoins for a bulgarian wife

>>13811412
I don't think there's a single thot who knows what bitcoin is.
I used to go out with this roastie a few months back and she asked about that stuff because she knew I was interested in crypto. I explained about bitcoin and its purpose but she didn't seem to grasp the idea of it. I mean, people around here don't even have $500 for emergency cases.

HOW did they get all these bitcoins?
I would rather die than giving them my BTCs

>>13811457

You have a very beautiful country and I wish you the best.

>>13811457
You must work outside of IT. A friend's female friend made 40mil doing PR for shitcoins and went underground kek.
I know 2-3 roastie coders involved in actual blockchain projects.

>>13811482
Thank you fren! Stay safe yourself !
Anyway I think that anything between 50 and 100 BTC at current price will get you a roastie like pic related.

>>13811499
I work in IT but I work in a really small firm. The only person in here who is invested in BTC is the CEO who owns a few hundred of BTC going way back to 2013.

>>13810566
bulgarian here
unironically view out the windows is exactly like that
and I have workout gear all around
>>13811412
0.5 BTC
>>13810540
that is false, the goberment does not have the keys

>>13811500

Yeah she doesn't seem like a good investment. Show me some trad qts in their traditional bulgar garb.

You guys getting hit by the Turkish slowdown?

>>13811557
bulgaria is a colony of germany now, turkey is irrelevant
come over, have sex incel

>>13811562

>come over, have sex incel

b-b-but i dont speak the language

>>13811576
does not matter at all
use google translate

>>13811520
Nice.
I did some renovations recently and I shit you not, the guy who came to pour the gray goo stuff on the floor took one look at my wagie cage setup (I work remotely) and asked "listen, you seem smart, can you help me with a crypto currency problem".
Turns out the lad actually went in stratis and bitcoin gold, the poor fucker.
And then got phished on bittrex losing everything somehow.
F

>>13811500
Jesus man, that seems like a bad investment, one could rent a better looking 19 year old for the night for below 30 stinkies at current prices.

>>13811557
Trad bulgarian chicks are unfortunately mostly in the muslim parts of the country. But our normie rosties are pretty based compared to western degeneracy. For instance, my wife's girlfriends are all joking at her expense for not having children yet and one of them straight up told her if she doesn't give me sons I'll just dump her and find somebody else. Brutal.

>>13811557
Turkish slowdown? What do you mean?

The only turkish people I know who work and live here for decades work twice as hard compared to the fellow bulgarians.

>>13811500
Sofia fag here
you can have this chick for 0.5 ETH

>>13811015
>printing infinite dollars
>what is inflation

> Bulgaria currently has >0,01% of the world economy

> Owns 1,2% of the world's bitcoin

Nice strat

>>13811500
I wouldn't pay between 50 and 100 LINK for that gypsy whore.

>>13811588
haha yeah I guess. It's the first thot pic I found who looked somewhat decent.

Your wife's girlfirends are unironically based. Idk how old you and your wife are but I keep seeing more and more young feminized women with overinflated standards.

>>13811602
yeah I am from Sofia as well. Well $125 seems like an OK price for 1hr of tête-à-tête with something extra.

>>13811611
They probably found the public addresses and thought they own the Beetcorns now.

>>13811616
We are around 30-35. Yeah, the degeneracy does what degeneracy does best - it spreads. We are moving to live in a village 20km from the city in an year or two with our crypto gains. Not raising kids in that shithole.
In the meantime most of our social contacts are with the dog walking community - friendly and down to earth people.

>>13811555
Checked. And my view AND room are exactly the same. Even the tracksuit. Uncanny.

>>13811699
Nice. Many people are doing exactly this. The drawback as I see it, is only the logistics when you have kids. It would require a bit of more driving, however, if one is wealthy enough hiring a chauffeur will solve all of this.

>>13811768
That would be the dream, but I don't see myself making that sort of gains (how much is a chauffeur, 50 per day?). Almost bought a nice property in Gorna Malina where there's a kindergarden AND a school (and they are not horrible by bulgarian standards), but some couple sniped it right under my nose.
Well, we'll live and see. Maybe the collapse will actually come somewhere in the next 5 years and these are all moot points.

>>13811841
I am not sure how much it costs. As far as the collapse is concerned, I don't think it would be something like 2008. Something else is going to blow but it is anyone's bet as of yet, so as you have said we'll live and see (щe пoживeeм, щe видим)!

>>13810566
ew, fuck roaches

>>13811343
Sauce plos sir

>>13811916
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZAYEtxYjSg

>>13811602
alo.bg link or gtfo

>>13811646
there's literally 1 good (publicly advertised) whore in Sofia and she takes 2 clients a day tops.

>>13811971
tell me more, fren

>>13811646
How much to lick pussy after the roasts' last client finished with her?

>>13812003
0.3 ETH fren

>>13811986
alo.bg offer says "I'm a fucking angel" 250bgn/hr, her real name is Sylvia and she's a nympho but good luck getting in line. If you want good whores just go to Berlin/Prague

>>13812127
I was just asking out of curiousity. I am not paying for sex, I think I have enough frame to pull chicks on my own.

Thanks for the tip, I checked her out. She looks great.

>>13811482
i didn't like bulgaria at all, the heat was oppressive the air had a bad odor people were rude with a very few exceptions almost none of them spoke english and the food for most part was nothing to write home about. except for veal. for some reason whatever they made from veal it was very good.

>>13812165
Sorry to hear fren. Where did you go, what did you see?

>>13811950
bulgarians are just turk/romanian/greek rape babies

>>13812165
Veal is shit al throughout Bulgaria except for Pavaj in Plovdiv, but there's plenty of good food if you ask the right people.
Assuming you were in Sofia ask me next time and I'll give you tips on the good places (tripadvisor advice is shit).

>>13811606
yeah they have heavily gated access to the moneyed classes and it's functionally infinite not literally infinite but my point still stands, understand the situation

>>13812323
hi vlad

>>13812323
And where and how would a foreigner "ask the right people" about the "right" food ?

>>13812227
technocracy
proto bulgars came from the steps of southern russia and probably were what ukranians are
when they came they formed the nation with tracians(those are related to the egiptians) and the 7 slavic tribes to fight the romans
later when the turks took over, unironically the turks got whiter and not the other way around because many reasons (how the ennichari thing worked and how the state was ran)

anyways, come over and probe some pussies to ensure racial purity

>>13810925
He literally has his mouse pointed right at the date of May 22nd 2019 in the second screenshot you absolute faggot

>>13812429
The article is new, the news aren't however. Those fake news about the government having seized have circulated for over two years now.
There are even news that the 200,000 bitcoins have been sold already.

Don't worry. Everything will be "stolen".

>>13812227
this

>>13812380
Sup
>>13812399
I'm here now. 4chan is unironically better than tripadvisor, all 10 top Vienna and Rome places on tripadvisor are complete garbage, but I know locals who showed me "hidden" places there and I had a good time. I'm pretty sure anons would have been more helpful, as they were for me when I was going to Munich.
If you're going to Sofia, eat at the following places:
>Bulgarian food
Before 10 is the absolute best (temporarily closed atm unfortunately)
Raketa Rakiya bar
>International
Cactus
Andre
>Meat
Manzo
Chef's
Floret
>Good desserts
Cosmos
>Best atmosphere
Umami
Lazy

>>13812569
Only visited some of those places.

>Raketa Rakiya Bar
>Umami
>Cactus

They're alright. The best restaurant I've been in is "Shtastliveca" in Veliko Tarnovo. Nothing comes close so far.

>>13810540
The original article told it's 200000 USD in Bitcoins, not 200000 BTC.

>>13812632
The original article is wrong then. They definitely confiscated 200,000 BTC. Thing is, they're also definitely not "owned" by the government, they are most likely distributed between corrupt officials.

>>13812165

Like all proper countries, without knowing someone the locals are going to treat to very coldy, because they either see you as an affluent westerner or a total prick.

I went to bulgaria on a working holiday and I proved my dedication to work and showed that I had reverence for the Bulgarian people. Even someone who cant understand you can appreciate that.

Bulgarians got fucked after 1991. They are a very welcoming people as long as you remain respectful and show that you're willing to work as hard as they do.

>>13812632
I posted an image of the original article above. It clearly states"200,000 bitcoins".

>>13812674
>Bulgarians got fucked after 1991.
Bulgarians got fucked 45 years earlier.
91 is when we got unfucked.
Only subhuman commie garbage who got used to living without having to work during communism got fucked after 91.

Can't believe that no one in the thread already said who's BTC this is, did you miss the scam pyramid scheme?

>>13812716
Explain fren

>>13811343
Thats actually very smart from Bulgaria.
I was thinking for quite some time Germany should put at least 1-2% of our reserves into crypto. Sadly Merkel is a dumb retarded cunt who is barely able to breath with her peanut brain. God i miss Hitler.

>>13812725
Look up Onecoin. You have some well written articles about it on Cointelegraph.

>>13812731
Missing Hitler would imply that you were alive during the WW2. We've an OG boomer ITT.

yeah sure i get it if you just go to tourist traps no local contact you get fucked over and ripped off.

>>13812702

All the labour I talked to mentioned that the Communis era was very good for Bulgaria. Plenty of work to be had.

It might be a localized thing, but honestly after driving through much of north central bulgaria I have to agree with them: the Soviet era was probably more affluent for the average bulgarian.

WW2 is another thing. It was clearly lost by the time the Bulgarians switched sides, so why deny reality?

Churchill the cunt wrote down on a napkin how Eastern Europe/Southern Europe was going to be divided between Western and Eastern.

Bulgaria is like my country, we're just floating in the wind compared to the superpowers.

I wish you the best because I really enjoyed your country, and not in a I-fucked-your-women-and-went-to-bedroom-club-britsh-type-of-way

>>13812740
I know about OneCoin. So you imply that OneCoin and the 200,000 bitcoins are connected to each other? People bought OneCoin for the total worth of 200,000 BTC? Sorry I am particularly retarded today.

>>13812753
The best thing about the Communist era according to my grandparents was how affordable was for young families to buy houses.

Our family owns 2 houses and 2 apartments in different cities accross the country simply because back then houses were cheap and affordable. You cannot compare the housing market today and back then.

>>13812753
Based.
The communism in bulgaria was not as destructive as it was in other places, mostly because we are by nature lazy and unambitious people (when not personally threatened) who rarely express self righteousness. Kind of like LOTR hobbits.
After it ended our working class was thoroughly trashed by the combined efforts of corruption, exposure to the much more economically developed west, brain drain and the same qualities we had before.
However, thanks to some austere policies we seem to be recovering a bit. Now if only the west kicks back all young bulgarians to their country, we might survive another generation as a nation.

>>13812804

Your housing market is extremely affordable by EU standards. If I lived in the EU and I had the amount of capital that I do have, I would buy a house and live in it.

In comparison to the West, the "boomers: (did you even have a boomer generation after WW2 like the West?) got fucked. They might have housing but unless they were in major cities like Sofia, Palvid or Veliko Tarnovo they got fucked.

>t. drunken pan European australian

>>13812757
They profited that much in their scheme. It was a multinational project that originated there, I've even heard stories about common people in my country (Serbia) placing their lifesavings into this scam.
For some reason most news articles represent Bulgaria as the BTC owner. The project originated there, but the government isn't involved in owning and financing the purchase of bitcoins (as most brainlets here think). Can't believe that people can't comprehend how much of a legal problem that would be.

>>13812883
Unfortunately EU standards do not fully apply to our country economy.
The minimum net salary in Bulgaria is ~290 EUR. The average net salary for Sofia (the highest in the country) is ~600 EUR.

Pic related shows the price in EUR for sq.m.
Taken from : https://www.imoti.net/en/price-stats

>>13812883
Average wage in bulgaria is, according to govt. data, 600 euro. Rent in sofia varies between 250 and 500 a month. A 2 bedroom apartment in sofia is between 50k and 100k euro depending on location. Houses in the 10km radius around the capital can be sold for up to half a mil euro.
The housing market (in the capital) is pretty retarded when you consider our available money. The rest of the country is in much better state but then you need to find work somehow.
Which is why I am looking into buying empty piece of land 20 km outside and build a new house there with workers from the province.
Meanwhile, one can buy a two bedroom flat in Barcelona for less than the same living space in central Sofia. Again - average income is 600 eur. It's crazy.

>>13812950
>>13812966

I hate cities so the countryside is best for me. If my investments come to reality (SQQQ), I would love to buy a place in Bulgarian and live out my days there,

The only fear I have is regarding Turkey invading you again.

The sea port, the capital is the center of Western thought. Avoid it like the plague unless you want you children to be transexuals.

>>13812966
My fellow countryman summarized it pretty well. The housing market is absolutely retarded and not affordable considering the median wage. I work for 1100 EUR/month and I have a nice job and qualifications but even so I am not willing to buy a property here. It is inflated beyond believe.

>>13813054
Unfortunately, the demographics are so bad that the young people ARE forced to go and live in the big cities (Sofia, Plovdiv, Varna, Burgas, Stara Zagora) simply because the smaller towns are getting severely depopulated. There is no work there, no way to make a living.

>>13810540
ABSOLUTE state of cointard """media"""

>>13813054
Make sure you pick place where ethnic bulgarians / thracians / turks still live and have not been replaced by the vermintide my friend. The Rhodopa mountains are the best part of Bulgaria if you like nature or traditions. Some parts of the sea are fine too
Gypsies are not dangerous alone but in large numbers can strip a man's flesh from his bones in minutes.
Turkey is not currently that dangerous - currently a member of NATO, wants good relationship with russia (who still considers us her vassal-clay), her ambitions are southward (to the oil fields).

>>13812731
Because Hitler was all about privacy, decentralized system and freedom.

>>13812740
OneCoin was a scam perpetrated by Bulgarian gypsies, and the Bulgarian government did seize 200,000 from criminals. But these stories are not related.
>>13812753
> the Communis era was very good for Bulgaria
40,000+ people killed because they had the audacity to be successful before WW2. Tens of thousands locked in gulags, their families being threatened, for having expressed admiration towards free markets. If you think this is good, you're a complete faggot, although I suspect you're simply misguided so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
> Soviet era was probably more affluent for the average bulgarian
4 government bankruptcies in 45 years. FUCKING 4 bankruptcies wtf.
> Plenty of work to be had.
Going to work to waste 8 hours isn't the same as "plenty of work" otherwise those retards would have made it in capitalism.
>WW2 is another thing. It was clearly lost by the time the Bulgarians switched sides, so why deny reality?
Bulgaria lost by having Hitler threaten it (thus the neutrality thing became impossible), then it lost by having commies take over. The only thing it won was a pat on the back for saving its jews.
>I wish you the best because I really enjoyed your country, and not in a I-fucked-your-women-and-went-to-bedroom-club-britsh-type-of-way
I wish you the best as well, but you're clueless about what happened here. Hopefully you're a smart dude and will do a bit more research next time.

>>13812804
>The best thing about the Communist era according to my grandparents was how affordable was for young families to buy houses.
Communists tore down my grandparents' house to build commieblocks on top of it, giving my granddad one apartment and filling the rest with subhuman hillibillies like your grandparents.
>>13812966
I legit don't know a person in tech making less than $80,000/yr and netting $70,000 of it though. Official salaries are low because everyone outside of tech is evading taxes, but that doesn't stop people from complaining

>>13813190
You're fast to judge my fren. If you would like to be perceived as a person of high intelligence you should make note of such outbursts.
Let's not forget that the mere fact we're here, implies that we're trying to improve in one way or the other.

>>13813190
One real story about how markets worked in Bulgarian communism and why everyone had a job and was "productive".
Balkancar was one a top 3 manufacturer of forklifts in the world. Communist leaders loved to brag about it as a testament of communist productivity.
In reality, Russia was giving Bulgaria steel for free, which drove the price of a forklift below the market price for the metal it was made of. Those forklifts were absolute shit but Japan mass-bought them in order to melt them and use the materials for something useful.
You gotta wonder why those involved were so PRODUCTIVE in communism and how they can't make it in capitalism.

>>13813267
Why do you get mad that I called the people who murdered your grandparents good? Don't you see that by doing that, those people helped useless scum feel less scummy, because successful people around them were killed? You're not a person of high intelligence if you disagree with me.
Ok, you're a complete fag, kys

>>13813295
got so triggered by this faggot I forgot to greentext the first part

>>13813190

The free market is a lie meant to subjugate poorer nations to the nations more availabile to international capital.

Follow the capital to find who really rules you, as it does my country since 1941.

>>13813295
I never said I disagree but thank you for providing comic relief to the followers of this thread on this fine friday evening.
I wish you all the best.

>>13813346
If communists take over your country, I hope they start their mass murder spree with the useful idiots like you as they did everywhere else. Then again for the sake of your compatriots I hope they never make it into power despite faggots like you.

>>13813373
I don't understand why you, as a person claiming to be in a superior position compared to everyone outside of "tech" seem to be so enraged by history. I thought you were "logical" people who would not resort to name calling.

>>13813415
this is 4chan faggot
>>13813190
good larp for the 80k and stuff
literally nobody makes that much

>>13810925

>>13813415
> seem to be so enraged by history
Because you praised the people who put my grandparents in gulags and killed thousands out of pure spite. You called their rule "better" despite the lack of political mass murder and tons of opportunities today. And when it comes to family I get easily triggered.
>>13813430
>good larp for the 80k and stuff. literally nobody makes that much
Literally be a software dev (good one) for 5 years, you should be senior level at that point. Then get a team lead / program manager position at:
> Luxoft
> Epam
> Leanplum
> VMWare
> One of the 20+ blockchain startups in Sofia
My closest circle of friends are mostly entrepreneurs, but those who wagecuck at the companies I listed are still making great bank.
P.S. I also know ONE person who makes a great salary at Experian, but he himself says that his colleagues are poor so idk I guess you need to negotiate better there.

>>13813190
>I legit don't know a person in tech making less than $80,000/yr and netting $70,000 of it though. Official salaries are low because everyone outside of tech is evading taxes, but that doesn't stop people from complaining
This has to be a fucking larp
I worked in Sofia as a foreigner and was told I was paid more than almost anyone else (my salary was 1300 EUR)

All the tech jobs I saw advertised had like a max salary of 2500€, so I have no clue where you get your numbers. Also, already on my salary I had to give up like 20% for social security contributions + tax, so your net numbers have to be way off

>>13814732
Anyway, for all of you Bulgarians that want a well paid and easy job (not fun though) you can just learn any of the Scandinavian languages and you can get 1000-2000 € net for simple call center work

>>13813478
Ffs

>>13814759
>just learn any of the Scandinavian languages
Literally thousands of hours of work

>>13814782
Well yes, but of you do go to Uni you can learn it there and be fluent within 1-2 years. It pays better than 90% of other jobs in BG

>>13810540
bulgaria is all organized crime. this is awesome.
>>13811060
lmao

>>13814732
Sorry bro, you got ripped off. Unless you worked at a call center, 1300 EUR sounds about right.
80k is 90th percentile, but 1300 EUR is pretty low. It was standard 5 years ago, salaries have tripled since then.

>>13815980
Is this really true? How can 90th percentile be higher than in Western Europe lmao?

Do you have any legit source or job posting showing 80k for devs? If you can actually make 70k net in Sofia I'm about to switch field and country. You can live like a god on that amount

>>13816873
it's deluded
i have some very well paid friends who hit that checkpoint, but they're literally unicorns

more like 99.3 percentile, lol

with 2k euro in Sofia you are a king if single, or a couple without a kid (even if the chick nets only 800euro for a total of 2.8k)

i bought my own apartment before the real estate inflation, keep 25k in crypto and have 50k in stocks. 1.2k euro per month has me saving 25% without any problem and i socialize a lot

recently its full of hipster bullshit restaurants tho and eating out has gotten quite expensive

>>13816873
90th percentile in tech you illiterate faggot

>>13817213
not sure if srs about the delusion part but literally ALL of my FMI colleagues who studied alongside me 2008-2012 are netting 70k+. Literally no exceptions, even the chicks who took 2 years of maternity leave.

>>13817287
>>13817316
Show some data on that or you are LARPing. Why would a dev in Sofia make more than a dev in Stockholm or Berlin?

>>13817396
>data
Yeah, my paycheck information can totally go public, good idea.
I've made 70k EUR in Munich, not sure about Berlin salaries but 70k EUR was 90k USD when I worked there. There's also more taxes to be paid by the employer on top of that there, so Bulgaria is still cheaper imho.
Krauts are the laziest mofos in the world, there's no reason a Bulgarian should make less unless he looked at his shoes during the interview saying "uhm... I'll take whatever you're paying the rest of them". Which most of them do for whatever reason. Even programmer girls act more alpha than programmer guys in Sofia, I've interviewed a lot of them.
...
I literally told you the companies that pay that much (a few posts above). One of them pays double btw, learning which is up to you but Google is your friend.

>>13817561
Ok I will do some research anon, but that is seriously fucking amazing. Literally better salaries than the US or Switzerland considering purchasing power and how much you can save. Fuck who knew Bulgaria was the place to be if you wanna get rich

>>13817631
It's only valid for 5-6 companies, but yeah, low taxes help a lot.

>>13817713
How much can you save a year?

>>13817561
Hey anon! I think you are the same anon who told me how to start with programming a few months back. I actually started and i am almost done with my prog. basics at softuni with C# (exam is in june). I am yet to watch the pluralsight vids tho, as I have been busy irl and recently got who hooked on Linux and i am dedicating a lot of time to learning it lol. I hope you are doing fine, my friend:)