/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>13748180
You could just throw your money in the garbage if you like losing money

People don't realise that many of the OG bitcoiners have been working on many projects to put on to the protocol for many years and have just been waiting for a time when the protocol was stable so they knew where they stood. The pace of development in the BSV space isn't a result of furious dev work, but moreso it locking down the protocol has given these dude with 10 years of building a foundation to release their work on.
I tell people the metanet plan and they go ohh pfft pie in the sky, it will take 10 years to build that, not realising those 10 years have already elapsed. BitDB, Bottle, Planaria, bitstagram, Chronos, ANNE, Neon Genesis: this is only the tip of the iceberg for what's going to be released as we go to 2GB blocks in July and unbound by Feb.

>>13748260

>>13748180
So comfy

Brainlets cannot comprehend the implications of bsv

>>13748180
Hello metanet.

How much is it going to cost to save a thread to the metanet?

At least spend it on prostitutes so you'll feel less dirty

how long do i have to wait for 100x?

>>13748324
Margin trading isn't illegal retard. You can margin trade on all currencies.

>>13748344

>>13748364
5 years maybe less

>>13748387
They are trading shit tower vapor wear

This is like world of Wall Street pajeets edition

>>13748345
I just tried something out.
Archiving a thread is free on etched.page. https://etched.page/3b18fe0083532b0d3df336b5a7ce8f08b3de071b2703d17628c3cf939241a65f/>>13748180

You pay with moneybutton to save images and javascript. Wow.

>>13748411

>>13748453
Awesome hey. Yeah you can pay to save images, or if the images were uploaded to the chain as the server to begin with then they just have to >>txID and the archive will call from the chain when displaying the etched page.

>>13748453
Ikr

People have no idea how powerful the real BTC is

There is no need for Ethereum, or any other shitcoins

Literally

BTC (bsv) is unironically the only thing that matters

It makes ethereum look like it was built by some autistic weeb oh wait....

>>13748501
Have fun losing money retard

>>13748555
Fuck off greg

>>13748568
Better short bsv if you're gonna hold that pile of shit

>>13748531
I swear these guys are competing to be the most embarassing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR6iV_YKDNU

How much bsv to be the new elite?

>>13748640
100x short to be elite

>>13748615
They're competing to be first on DOTR

>>13748640
210 and you will be in the 100k top richest people.

>>13748555
nice trips.

>>13748658
>>13748589
>>13748555
Pic related

>>13748180

>>13748615

they are the most embarrassing

i dont even care about matic or shit coins

its stupid and has no real world use

only bsv does anything

>>13748701
That's actually pretty easy to do.

I have 300k stinkiest and was avoiding bsv because I was worried I'd have to give up 60k to get 1k bsv.

210 bsv is like... A mere suicide stack. Can I really make it with just 210 bsv?

Btw, what are you folks using for a hardware wallet?

>>13748748
My phone/PC.

>>13748731
The standard arguments for holding all stand for BSV. It's the real bitcoin after all.

That being said, I am compelled to tell you that you should not try to be "the new elite".

Bitcoin is about getting rid of the world of elites who do not need to work because of proof of stake and proof of social media. AKA rent-collectors and mind manipulators.

Be useful for Bitcoin.
If you can do that at such an early stage.
You will free yourself from your chains.

Also, hardware wallets are a scam. You don't need them and you actually lose a little security. Use a good brain wallet for best uncensorability.

>>13748840
>Be useful for Bitcoin.
>If you can do that at such an early stage.
>You will free yourself from your chains.

I mean, I don't mind being a neet who spends some amount of my time building on bsv. Tbh, that would be fuckin awesome.

But i legally can't do that while working for a big tech (FANG) company that owns everything I create, and I need to get paid if I'm going to maintain my $300k/yr Manhattan lifestyle. :/

>>13748180
ONLY BSV CAN BE PART OF THIS

>>13748364
2020 Q3

minimum $160

210? I'm still hesitant to pull the triger because of so much fud and hate towards CSW (he doesnt make it easy to like, or trust him), I am seeing the potential, and it is the bitcoin that the white paper promised. Anon, tell me another reason to buy, I already have 200, but if this is the real bitcoin, then I would buy 1000.

>>13748180

Damn these SV threads are depressing. These people don't know they're all in on a dying project. Cringing at my computer here.

>>13749053
forget CSW and look at the rest of the project

>>13749055
are you that dense?

they are the only ones with working products NOW

everything is is garbage man

>>13748748
ledger nano or trezor with electrumsv

>>13749017
It's interesting to think of it's distance from (0,0,0) increases faster as it gains values in each dimension. It has +1 on x, y, z. If it had just (1,1,0) the length of the line to bitcoin would be √2, but as it becomes (1,1,1) it then has a length of √3 from the origin. You could probably add another dimension of objective temporal resolution to it and give bitcoin a 1 in that domain too.

>>13748905
Then bide your time, learn everything. The time will come when you can make the jump. You can decide then.

>>13749053
2GBs by July.
6 Patents approved already, many more in the works.
A community you can't pay to be a part of.

Take your csw glasses off and put on the business glasses.

>>13749227
what are the patents about?

>>13748180
sure is comfy losing money with bsv while creg runs his mouth and sues people.

>>13748276
>2GB blocks in July and unbound by Feb
thanks that was my daily dose of AIDS

>>13749114
there are plenty of projects with working projects. take your creg blinders off and look at the competition.

>>13749414
literally pajeet who and chink a doo

no thanks

All this reddit fud itt makes me wants to buy it more

BTW Amazon patented POW. Thoughts?

>>13748180
>>13748276
>>13748364
>>13748840

Pic related, join us in IRC sometime boys

>>13749386
Here is one example.

" “Security through a Personal Device and Determined Common Secret,” which through the use of a biometric (think fingerprints) smart card allows for greater ease of use and security in passports / personal identification cards, communication channels, payments, or file encryption."

Google patents nchain / craig steven wright

look at both pending and approved.

>>13749442
they what?

>>13749497

https://patents.justia.com/inventor/craig-steven-wright

https://btcmanager.com/craig-wright-has-filed-over-100-blockchain-patents/?q=/craig-wright-has-filed-over-100-blockchain-patents/&

>The race to file blockchain patents has accelerated lately with one specific firm, Nchain Holdings, attempting to capture hundreds of distributed ledger-related patents. According to reports, self-proclaimed Satoshi – Craig Wright – and his Nchain business claim to have filed 666 patent applications to date, capturing a gigantic portfolio of intellectual property.

>>13749497
literally took my idea from 2015

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>13749053
Just wait and see after the coingeek conference what presenters like the general manager of SBI investments the or CEO of DRIVE markets says. There's some really big things happening behind the scenes. Listening to shadders' interviews and he says there is no doubt in his mind they are going to be able to fully unlock the protocol for unbound blocks by Feb.
Onchain games like chronoverse or such, tokenizeable ingame bits and pieces tradeable as your assets, onchain sports betting for onchain game results with play by play replays on chain. It's gonna be an absolute beast in all domains. It is an economy of scale. Computation/ram/storage/propagation/rebdering all done by people who invest hundreds of thousands of dollars in state of the art hardware because they are economically incentivised through trying to get an edge on their competitors to collect tx fees.

>>13749442
Amazon didn't actually patent POW, they patented some technologies regarding the generation of merkle trees. Their plans are to make a managed blockchain service. Similar to how they use AWS to help people build websites, they want to help people build blockchains.


The problem is that there is no market for ten billion blockchains. IMHO DESU.

Anyways, it's interesting to see Amazon's approach.

>>13749734

So basically competing with Corda?

I should read the Amazon patent, got a link?

>>13749409
Imagine hating large blocks.

>>13749777
nice trips.
hope this means you hit jackpot.
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20190430006195/en/AWS-Announces-General-Availability-Amazon-Managed-Blockchain

>>13749414
>need my torrent tokens to buy my torrents and need my toothpick tokens to buy my toothpicks

I'm so fucking sick of shitcoins. All you need is Bitcoin. Build on top of it and sell your apps for fucking Bitcoin.

>>13749909
so true Im loving the nu starfox game that runs on bitcoin Id tell you where to find it but I couldn't stand the possibility of lag

Link will make bsv obsolete

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8OvoqRumvQ

this channel is comfy. everyone get in. haters welcome.

>>13748180
>Don't even wanna shill, BSV lovers get in here.
then gtfo

>>13748501
when somebody is telling you he is satoy so you should listen to him but declines to show any proof he is scamming you. brainlets

>>13751013
my thread my rules
have you ever considered that I think craig wright is a smart guy regardless of whether he is satoshi? unless you care about his court case, it doesn't matter.

His patents are patents regardless of whether he is satoshi. His business models make sense whether or not he is satoshi.

If you lock to protocol it doesn't matter who is or isn't satoshi. That is the point of bitcoin. it doesn't run on volunteer ancap devs. It runs on human nature.

>>13749909
just make sure its nit the cheap knock off airdropped bitcoin but btc!

>>13751083
good morning greg hope you have a lovely day.

>implying you are actually greg with such amateur levels.

>>13751073
>have you ever considered that I think craig wright is a smart guy regardless of whether he is satoshi?
then you are an idiot
sv locking in the original protocol is as far from reality as stalins system from heaven

>>13751103
you gusy help me normalize my blood pressure in the morning woth your stupid bullshit

>>13751121
well I am happy that I gave you a smile.
Thanks and don't let the thread hit you on the way out ;)

>>13751153
oh this is not a smile more like a cup of rage

>>13751108
How is locking the protocol to 0.1 anything at all like the central planning we see on Core? SV is just going by the whitepaper and letting Bitcoin be Bitcoin.

>>13751181
I guess one could say your jimmies... are rustled.
Thanks for bringing this one out of retirement. In this day of cynical trolls, I really love engaging with one of the old timers.

>>13751234
my jimmies are rustled that anyone would fall for these blatant scams indeed there are 50 shitforks of bitcoin but only one has pretentions on being the original and shills forgetoshi 24/7

>>13751073
COPE / bargaining begins

>>13751284
my dude, I know there is a lot of data out there saying that CSW is a fraud. Believe me I looked through all of them. Do you know what else I did? I also looked through all the counterarguments to the data.

Don't get mad about it. I might be wrong, but I have done my research. I, personally, have many reasons to both believe and not believe csw is satoshi.

Bitcoin SV is the real Bitcoin. This is absolutely clear to me if you read the whitepaper and look at the protocol. Simple shit anon.

>>13751347
>Bitcoin SV is the real Bitcoin
While it's true, I sometimes wonder if it'll even matter. Most people don't understand this stuff at all and will follow the herd. They'll go to Coinbase, buy BTC and never move it off the exchange or they will move it and just gamble on shitcoins.

There is no actual adoption in crypto. The social media stuff isn't ever going to take off, or at least it won't be the killer app for Bitcoin (besides money). What needs to happen is businesses using Bitcoin to facilitate portions of their business, quicker, cheaper and safer than systems they already use now.

>>13751416
don't miss the forest for the trees anon.

this is what a lot of crypto fans miss. This is still the early stages. There are a lot more people who don't know BTC than people who think bitcoin sv is a fraud. Once perception changes, it's going to change very quickly. Everything that is "mainstream" on cryptoland is going to be poof.

>>13751347
>but I have done my research
apparently not or you have abysmal standards for evidence

>>13751416
>I sometimes wonder if it'll even matter. Most people don't understand this stuff at all and will follow the herd
well hello you are starting to get bitcoin but still a bit fuzzy on the concept

>>13751684
I understand Bitcoin well. People buying something because the price goes up is not Bitcoin. That's all BTC has going for it since it has no utility.

>>13751715
no you don't
you don't seem to understand that bitcoin is first and foremost consensus.

If BTC was not the "reserve currency" of all these gambling bucket shops, would you think it has any value?

If you heard that a group of developers changed the protocol from the one described in the whitepaper, and you didn't know that I was talking about Bitcoin, won't you raise an eyebrow?

At least, enough to maybe consider, maybe, just maybe, we aren't being scammed or paid to shill?

>>13752039
alts are a meaningless distraction for now. some of them may have useful development for the future but no they do not give btc value in fact they dilute the market cap.

>>13752039
If calvin ayre would have just promoted sticking to the plan and using nChain as the developers with out dipshit craig, then he probably would have done well. This craig thing has really fucked bsv up. The other talking point they promote, which is institutional adoption, is also a waste. If banks started using bsv they would absolutely create a darkpool/sidechain deal for it which would mean the banks would still fuck everybody over.

>>13752343
the banks don't want any money they don't control. if they adopt crypto they will make their own. it's pointless to speculate on "institutional adoption" beyond futures and etfs.

what most people don't understand is what gives crypto value to us being trustless and permissionless is what makes it worthless to bankers. look at sap, they are working on creating a trustful permissioned blockchain technology that is useful. they are not interested in crypto or any public project they don't fully control.

>>13752386
Craig himself has promoted this as a system that is friendly to banks and whatnot if I understood correctly. An ETF is basically a darkpool/sidechain in and of itself. The banks will eventually destroy all cryptos. Craig obviously doesn't cry about the fuckery that goes on at CME or the LBMA though as much as he does the crypto exchanges. I understand that there is probably fuckery at the crypto exchanges but not nearly as bad as primary dealer banks.

>>13752562
>An ETF is basically a darkpool/sidechain in and of itself.
no it's not. it's a trustful permissioned legal construct. has nothing to do with crypto.
>The banks will eventually destroy all cryptos.
they can't that's the point.

>>13752575
It can and would be used functionally as a sidechain. You misunderstand how shares in ETF's are essentially created or how banks use their assets.

ETF's will eventually happen and they will fractional reserve the shit out of cryptos. The bucket shop shit craig whines about will be increased 1000x if the banks start margin trading operations for cryptos.

>>13752343
>craig thing has really fucked bsv up
Says the blockstream shill with 9 posts in this thread about craig, who is living rent free in your head 24 hours a day despite every effort you have tried to rid yourself of him

>>13753001
I don't give a fuck about blockstream. If you've got any worth while talking points though, go ahead and share them.

>>13752658
you are throwing around this meme word side-chain are exchanges sidechains to you?

>>13753043
don't get your hopes up it's just shitposting and bad memes.

>>13753001

>learning web dev
>planning to make projects for bsv
Who else here /futureproof/?

>>13753150
A large wallet could be used as a centralized pool. Receipts off of that pool could essentially function as a way to get off any chain altogether. One of the points made about bsv is that everything would stay on chain and force transparency. I'm saying it's easy to bypass that.

>>13748276
>s and have just been waiting for a time when the protocol was stable so they knew where they stood
I read this in an indian accent

>>13753043
>Craig himself has promoted this as a system that is friendly to banks and whatnot if I understood correctly.

Good. As someone who has for a long time been "fuck banks", having read Craig's posts I am now thinking about it a bit deeper and can see that banks do in fact provide useful access to liquidity and aren't inherently bad in and of themselves. In that sense, I welcome any bank that wants to use the bsv blockchain as a immutable data ledger and to run a good honest business on there. In time though, finance will probably move to an equity based model rather than a debt based model so even usury or something like that may eventually be unable to compete with the economic activity of an equities based economy.

BSV (bitcoin) will destroy dishonest banking. Dishonest banking will bitch and moan and probably even go so far as to route money through companies such as digital currency group to propagandise the community in to taking a course of action that turns bitcoin into something favourable. They'd probably even go so far as to collude with criminal organisations like bitfinex, tether, binance whom wish to perpetuate an economy without quality record keeping so that they can facilitate money laundering for cartels who keep their pockets lined.

You have been bamboozled in to thinking Craig is the enemy. The dishonest banks, pnd exchange operators (that live hotel to hotel room, registered out of malta and no fixed premises for the business), scam artists like buterin who fleeced people of millions of dollars with fraudulent ICOs while posing as a fucking arm chair economist on twitter.

You don't want to live in a world where crypto exchanges that trade billions or even trillions of dollars without any kind of KYC requirements. You do realise the type of people that will be laundering money through those exchanges right? You do realise the amount of corruption that can be enabled through such money laundering, embezzlement, fraud, tax avoidance?

>>13753231
yeah but its not a chain at all

>>13753283
I get what you're saying, but Craig and Calvin both live away from their home countries, just like CZ, and aren't exactly people that I would trust either. They are the stove calling the kettle black.

>>13753339
The point is that chains are shit and none of them are "immutable". You'd just be volunteering yourself to that system of records if you use them. There will always be ways to bypass that shit. I'm not arguing about the exact definition of what a chain is. I'm pointing out that the function of it that is promoted is absolutely faulty.

Why did CSW pretend he created the original whitepaper back in 2001? What did he mean by this?

>>13753452
Because the idea for crypto dates as far back as the 90s

>>13753380
Many people live away from their home countries. That's really not an argument at all. Craig lives in England. Yes he travels a lot but he lives in England and has at least one physical business (nChain) that has a premises with 40 odd employees. Craig said he doesn't really like Australia anymore after the ATO tried to fuck him up (but instead ended with an ATO employee in prison), and once they got tighter laws around sedition.

You wouldn't trust someone who was a Pastor, worked for Australian Federal Police, ASIO, NSA, NASA, GISCR, Aus Air Force and the ASX?

Who do you 'trust' in crypto? Ultimately you don't even have to trust them. Just go listen to some of Shadders' interviews if you can't stand Craig but want to know how BSV is going to scale.

>>13753484
Yeah but from the looks of it, Craig fled from Australia because he wants to avoid the tax laws and Calvin moved away from Canada because he wants to avoid laws there. They are arguably just like CZ. Calvin wants people to gamble at Bodog but the zoomers and doomers would rather gamble at Binance. As far as Craig being a pastor, Jesus said "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven". Stove calling the kettle black.

>>13748180
The top was May 15 2019. Just look at the charts. We are in the late stages of the dead cat bounce. The last week has been a massive short squeeze. The next week will be a distiribution of bags and accumulation of short positions for whales. Then we will doom. Screen cap this.
June 2019 - $6200
July 2019 - $5300
October 2019 - $3200
February 2020 - Craig gets his tulip coins and crushes the entire market $100
June 2020 - $500 - BSV will also be $500 at this point
November - $87 - then the segwit flaw is exploited and bitcoin has its final leg down to $0
December 2020 - BSV is $1000

>>13753591
Not really. He got cleared in court and then pissed off with the other guy who tried to get him in gaol. Comparing him to CZ is like comparing Turing to Justin Sun.

I don't know much about Calvin really, so I can't comment there.

>>13753597
>December 2020 - BSV is $1000
LOL
At least add another zero onto that

>>13749492
>IRC
gib server and chan anon

creg sanjay wright is unironically satoj

https://coingeek.com/bitcoin-creator-craig-s-wright-satoshi-nakamoto-granted-us-copyright-registrations-for-bitcoin-white-paper-and-code/

>>13754110
Deserves thread on its own
BSV gonna wipe the floor
Exchanges hate it because it can accommodate all of their trading on chain putting them out of business

>>13748180
Where to buy this shitcoin?

>>13754483
bittrex

>>13748531
BTC is a ticker symbol, stop calling Bitcoin BTC. Saying "BTC (bsv)" makes no sense.

Bitcoin is the protocol, BSV is the ticker.

>>13755473
BSV would be the ticker of Bisvoin, BTC is the ticker of Bitcoin.

https://cryptobriefing.com/us-grants-craig-wright-copyright-on-original-bitcoin-whitepaper/

>>13755499
COPE

>>13755499

kek

How much do they pay you to buy BSV?

>>13748180
>>13748180
Up 80% today .

This thread DID age well.

>>13748276
Honestly the swine on this board do not deserve access to this kind of info. You are kinder than I am, anon.
>>13748840
Another excellent post. We are here to BUIDL.
>>13753597
Dude, BSV is going to 500 way before EOY

>>13748840
Ok where do I start learning to be usefull to BSV?

>>13756571
Look up MetanetChat and unwriter's slack. You shouldn't need an invite to get into the lobby. Lots of helpful folks there for people who want to build or help out.

>>13756678
Aito thnx breh.

I love it when my threads survive and thrive.

US copyright office is currently under a little... ah, strain, as millions of cryptofans nervously search for craig s wright and satoshi nakamoto.

well, I am here to help you.

>>13749777
Really hoping this anon checked his trips and did the needful.

>>13748840
>>13748731
Me from last night

I was feeling sick and decided to buy this morning... And then the price doubled. FML.

I have 2BTC on bittrex right now. Do I have any hope for it to hit $64 again?

>>13757332
is he living in Antigua with Calvin?

>>13748180
This coin is future 1k eoy

>>13758136
in all likelihood, yes.

I don't try to time the market, but it seems there are waves to this thing. I have nothing to say about entry points.

>>13758151
No, he maintains domicile in London.

>>13758166
I seriously think these price predictions hurt BSV more than most trolls do.

Those of us serious about BSV do not tend to make short term price predictions.

Well shit

I just tried to sell btc for us to buy back on bittrex... Can't do that as a ny resident. Ugh.

Now I have to find a ny-friendly exchange that lists bsv... Fucking cz.

The legend returns...
...to $60 24 hours later

>>13758580
>just tried to sell btc for us to buy back on bittrex
> For usd to buy bsv on bittrex

>>13758616
wasn't talking about price in the title, am not talking about price now.

I am the legend, you idiot.

>>13758616
the best thing about it is a lot of imbeciles get rekt who doubled down on it cause of the hintings of calvin the pedo.

>>13758580
polo is good

>>13758687
You wouldn't happen to know of a ny-friendly bsv exchange, would you?

Vpns are a thing, but seem dishonest...

>>13758871
Poloniex BitMart?

>>13758904
Don't think poloniex allows New Yorkers but I was able to register at bitmart. Will see if they let me deposit/withdraw and trade. Thanks!

>>13752014
>consensus
Is that like electrolytes?