/biz/ - Business & Finance

We let it 404 ;_;

>>13607346
crypto threads bumping us off...

Gives a good sign of whats going on..

>>13607584
we hit bump limit

RH is the only reason I started putting money into BTC, but I cashed out. I hate how it makes my chart unreadable, the volatility makes it very difficult to see what's gaining and losing.

What's the better way to do it?

And you just KNOW it's going to moon harder when it gets added to etrade and all the others, I think I did miss my chance to fomo in. I disregard crypto as NeetLotteryticketBullshit.

Writing options > buying crypto

>>13607346
I let it die on purpose
The thread was reborn, as the SPY will be on Monday morning
We gap up at open, screenshot this

>>13607654
no we didn't

Redpill me on commodities

>>13607802
the thread was at 332 replies, iirc

>>13607802
>>13607810
definitely hit bump limit a while back

>>13607810
isn't the bump limit like 400?

>>13607804
Also I'm going to open my first brokerage account on Friday. I'm trying to decide between Ameritrade, Schwab and Robinhood

Thinking about going in hard on any big pullback, spiderbros.

>>13607763
robotripping is degenerate as fuck.

>>13607837
310
it's when the post number goes red in the topbar

>>13607849
>I can't hear you Anon, speak up!

>>13607837
on /biz/, it's 310
might be 400 on different boards tho

>>13607844
Ameritrade is the only one that will let you trade commodities
Robinhood is definitely the best option if you're just starting out and don't have much money
Commodity futures are outside of this thread's expertise, tho
You'd have to look somewhere else

>>13607867
Oh god I forgot to go to the gym today!

>>13607902
>Anon go to the gym or I'll give you the glute work out of your life!

>>13607763
>SPY gapping up on Monday
Trump's gonna tweet something good tomorrow.

>>13607902
better get your ass over there anon..

lol jk.. I never really work out.. I just work hard when I work.. it keeps me pretty /fit/

Reminder that stockies, bondies, and ETFs are obsolete. Accumulate Bitcoin and retire in the next 5 years. I'm up 15% today. What other stockie/bondie/ETF is up 15% today? That's right, none of them because the rich business elites won't let you make money on weekends. SAD.

Come on china... do something!
Trump is making you look weak and stupid!
>>13607912
I can't... I wasted too much time. Another day gone.

Wish me luck or a painless death, friends.

>tfw I can't fly a helicopter but that guy can.

>>13607940
When a crash happens it will happen so fast that you won't be able to respond.

>>13607958
You can always work out at 1am like I do, it's good!

>>13607940
The weekends are for spending time with your family and friends and completing any chores you may have, as well as self improvement. Money shouldn't rule my life, the weekends belong to me. Ergo markets are on the wagie days only.

>>13607958
This is you in five minutes

>>13608054
Gyms not open at 1AM, and I have an injury that prevents me from doing most of the at home workouts I would like to do. I never make any progress with body weight training, but it is a good way to get the blood pumping.

Besides, I have to get back on an early morning schedule if I want to unfuck my life.

>>13608240
I am not a .jpg, and I will never be a .jpg.

Who are you anon, your images are so common I want to think of you as an avatarfig. Do you just have very few images on your phone?

>>13608247
>Besides, I have to get back on an early morning schedule if I want to unfuck my life

It happened the other way around for me
I got an internship, then my sleep schedule adapted to waking up at 8 AM every day and going to bed around midnight instead of going to bed at 2-3 AM and waking up at 11

>>13608273
I use to tripfag under comfy, but I had a mental breakdown because I'm clinically insane about doing that so now I'm Anon
I deleted 12 gigabytes of reaction images so now I only use these :3

>>13608247
Almost all gyms in my area are p much 24/7, weird. I feel you for your injury, I fucked my left elbow bad last summer and couldn't do anything for two months
>>13608273
that's gomfy silly, he always has a small stable of reacties. They're easy to recognize

>>13608307
>because I'm clinically insane about doing that

no, that's just in general

>>13608307
I'd post my comfy images but those are on the linux drive and I'm on winfag rn rip

Now my portfolio is ripe and ready to grow, I'll be socking money in my bank accounts like mad replacing all I sucked out. In case "Mr Murphy" pays me a visit or three in the next 15 years.

The only debt is my house and everything else is in good shape (car/house/health) so this should go pretty smoothly. Tax Refunds will be going straight into the bank as well. So while my stocks are earning me income/profits I'll be building up my cash pile for the next 15 years.

Then once I "retire" at 50 years old I don't gotta do shit. Except kick back on my rear deck with a nice cool drink during the summer months that is.

guys.... why am me in profit with BTC
WTF me thought crypto currencies were gambling scams
have made more money off BTC than KHC

>>13608307
me deleted reaction image folder too O_O
because it had many images from when hospitalized, they were extremely depraved
guro which disturbed and sickened me when reviewing them >_>

>>13608313
I have to get new images
I haven't deleted my 4 gigs of mildly (but not pornographic) images of pale women so I can switch to those
>>13608321
Yes
>>13608353
Please no >:(
I need to switch IPs now. If we have movie night with sundown I'll see you there

>>13608371
Guro was probably your cope
You can still be a mod on my new chan when it lauches for the /guro/ board

>>13608376
Movie night it 9:00pm MTN (Chad) time, 11:00pm EST as always. My google drive upload is giving me trubble so we may have to watch my backup film

>>13608371
I don't use most reaction images I have saved, desu

can someone post the google drive for the books

I have a question why do most people sell there stocks after a week when there is a 10% increase for each share. Wouldn't it be better to continue holding for years
(Let's say this share also has divided) does that not give reason to hold for a long period of time?

I thought if you sell a stock and you withdraw a big chunk will be owed in taxes?

>>13608395
stop being meanally ill NOW! snap out of it!

>>212834063
why do other boards have better business threads than /biz/? Are we truly the cucks of the chans?

>>13608444
CHECKED AND REKT

>>13608307
when are you coming to california comfy?!?! answer me!!

>>13608480
Oddly enough, the commiefornians are coming up to us. We got it p good up here man.

>>13608414
the mark of novice
once your daily way of doing things becomes that of a pro you will never have enough refined images that display your hearts meaning perfectly

>>13608439
if me made 10% on trade it would be like 40k and enough for live off year even aft taxes

>>13608480
Hehe I can't come anymore because my boomer parents decided to buy new furniture instead of a week long vacation. I can't fathom why
>>13608490
I forget what part of Idaho/Utah you live in

>>13608537
Currently in the Boise metro area, it's nice but traffic is getting worse now with summer rolling along. Thinking of moving to South Dakota here next spring for the 0% income tax if my options keep rollin' good.

>>13608555
>Thinking of moving to South Dakota here next spring for the 0% income tax if my options keep rollin' good.
what?? 0% income tax

>>13608537
well what the fuck.. could've been a fun time... why do you need them to go anyway?

>>13608439
Cause a lot of people have the "I want it now" mentality. Sure that nice profit from the selling is great. But they fail to see the difference between the say 40k now v.s the 80k or more down the road. Then when it's a Divvy stock you'd gain a shit pile of income and not sell a single share to get it.

A lot of people made a nice pile from AMRN. Congrats to them. Hell I did and I'm back into it now. Cause I know it's still got a nice run ahead of it. $17 something per now, $50 still to come plus the buyout would mean it would do $100 a share. I'm not pulling those numbers outta my ass either. A lot of stock annalist agree.

>>13608586
But where do I learn more
I was told to not listen to Gurus and to learn
I try reading up on a certain stock and buy a few
I get that it is a slow process
But I want to learn to better understand what I am doing here

Currently a US M. Service member and I'm trying to take advantage of my shit job for a easy life afterwards
I also have a 401k setup but i feel like it isn't enough right now

>>13608583
Might do Alaska too, but it'd be one helluva drive.
>https://www.fool.com/taxes/2018/06/05/by-2021-these-8-states-will-have-no-income-tax.aspx
>>13608439
>>13608586
You don't make money by buying stuff, only by selling it. It's why I like selling calls - if I get assigned, I've sold at a profit. Remember kiddos, it's "buy low sell high" not "buy low hold forever." That's what the cryptokiddies do.

>>13608616
Get a robinhood or webull account and just throw cash into literally any vanguard index. Congrats, you are now earning compound interest and are set for life. Remember to hedge with guns, ammo, and deodorant for the 2035 race war.

>>13608555
>>13608583
>>13608621
There's also Florida that has a 0% state income tax

>>13608621
I've been looking into puerto rico desu... they have no captial gains taxes..

In those states listed wouldn't they still have federal taxes?

>>13608616
A 401k is nice. Dump as much as you can into it. If the govt matches it then take advantage of it ( you dump $400 a month into it, Govt also dumps $400). Time is your friend. The sooner you start the better off you'll be.

>>13607844

Broker doesn't matter. I'd recommend a real bank like Schwab. I don't know much about TD, but I know a few people that work at schwab and they like it.

As for commodities, you can always trade the ETFS. Keep in mind that not all of them are very liquid, you should check the volumes.

I know there's NIB, CORN, and JO. Most metals have an ETF too, PALL, GLD, etc. Don't know about much else. Just search for "commodity ETN", you'll find a few.

>>13608658
Yea, they still have federal income tax. But you can defer those until April by claiming 99 dependents on your W-4.

>>13608646
Already at it
But what I mean is how do I become more knowledgeable towards better investments >>13608664
They counter that anon
They max up to "10%"
I put in 6% they put in 4%

>>13608683
>how do I become more knowledgeable towards better investments
I'm no expert, but selling calls is a great strategy. Do it once you own 100's of some stock/etf and you're basically raking in weekly/bi-weekly/monthly dividends.

>>13608444
Good lord, RKG never bullies me for my own benefit like that. Totally sucks.

>>13608371
Oh god... my experience when people say they were hospitalized, its more often than no from psychotic break or other breakdown than physical illness. Take care of your brain plz fren. Maybe it was trying to tell you something when you had your moment of finding guro sickening instead of arousing.

>>13608307
oh... did we talk about your trading restrictions a while ago because you did a fire sail and panicquit the market?

Good luck fren. Brain stuff is hard.

>>13608702
>being this new

>>13608683
ok, say your 20 years old. Assuming the market and T don't all shit and burn and stock brokers don't off themselves from the 80th floor in new york like they did in the 1929 crash. Anyway say you buy 100 T shares. Say you hold them for 40 years (you'd be 60).

Congrats; your pulling down $802,000.00 in income a year. This would only cost you $3064.00 up front.

The older you get the higher the up front cost would be to achieve the same income amount due to the more shares required to make up the difference. I got a nice spreadsheet that gives me all the gory details so I ain't pulling those figures outta my ass either.

>>13608698
This sounds like a promising strategy
I know this is kind of a personal question but could you share your results without listening name of stocks so I could get a rounded idea

Spiderbros, how much research have you done on the competition?
Fucking Germans... from a medical perspecitve, I could see how farming a solution in a bioreactor from bacteria could have its advantages.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMSilk
>>13608749
>taking that at face value

>>13608749
Retarded Kneepad guy has been sick forever.. its a LARP

>>13608769
>>13608774
I deliberately choose to suspend my disbelief, like I would if I was watching a movie

>>13608767
Sure. Here's a month of what selling various AMD calls looks like. In this particular screenshot, I actually had 300 shares called away at the $26.50 strike, but RH on weekends doesn't like updating lol.

>>13608765
Here is another question
Does it matter if my "preferred" broker is Robinhood
For some reason it's only recommended to new people
But if I want a better analysis I would have to have an account with a broker that also chargers commission
Is it actually worth it?

MO is going under $50 on Monday and I'm buying as much as I can afford

>>13608787
Should probably mention, I'm using robinhood's gold margin acct to control about $14,000 worth of AMD.

>>13608787
Nice anon congratulations
I am currently sitting on my money
I've only put in 600 in Robinhood
But I'll be putting in 3k once I receive my bonus for joining the military

>>13608798
What's the date on this article? Is this even new?

Stop getting me excited, I'd love for MO cheapies, even if it means I have to take another loss.

>>13608798
>no bible app open
never gonna /make it/
>>13608806
Be smart about it and what you do with RH. They're a great broker (imo the best), but you can fuck yourself up pretty good with all the freedoms provided. Contribute regularly.

>>13608837
>contribute to your funmoney account regularly
Where’s VTSAXanon when you need him?

>never gonna make it
Maybe he already has?

>>13608793
Another thing. Don't put any money into the stock market unless your prepared to lose every penny. If you put 10k into it be prepared for the day it's gone. Yes diversification helps but shit does happen. Treat that money as "spent". This also helps you cope when the market is all in a shit like now with the trade dispute.

The best plan is to try to break even. Your 10k makes you 10k then anything after that is extra gravy for whatever. It can all shit after that cause you've made back all you put into it.

what the fuck do i do on the weekends and AH?

>>13608806
Over the long term you're better off to put your contributions in an IRA before contributing to a non-tax-advatanged account.

>>13608878
I understand
I just don't want a majority of my money sitting in a savings account with a shit APY

>>13608439
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1rq9DS_rEFIy8JrEeiDDqRhrviAy0Nnqj

>>13608810
May 10, 9 pm

>>13608861
>>13608898
vtsax is king, Bogle is an american hero.
You should be contributing to all of your accounts regularly as much as you can though. I never understood the connotation normies associate with taxable investment accounts. If you're actually getting taxed on RH/Tasty/Webull, you should be happy - you're making money!
>>13608878
>Don't put any money into the stock market unless your prepared to lose every penny.
I don't like this normie propaganda either, I think it prevents a lot of people from effectively using their money to work for them. Stop losses are available to everybody, or at least, some sort of manual mental stop should be prepared before hand if you can't set a stoploss. The rule should read
>Don't lose more money than you can afford to lose
>>13608891
Go to the range. Cook a healthy meal. Fuck a girl. Plant your garden.

>>13608914
Thank you anon

>>13608945
no problem

I don't like to post the link too often, but it's been a while since the last time I did

ITT: Salty nocoiners

>>13608371
I'm glad you felt disturbed at one point at least

>>13609018
here's your (you). I make more writing calls than selling bitcoins though. Maybe one day /biz/ will have the balls to place a real yolo.

>>13609040

Nice LARP

>>13609018

>>13608702
It was probably about a year ago I purposely nuked my account and got banned from day trading, which Robinhood refuses to give me back lol
I've been doing much better since, avoiding day trading has been good
>Except when my QQQ calls shot up 50% and I couldn't sell so I'm locked into them until Monday morning
Please be flat holy moly

>>13607721
You can always join the cryptowave.. not to shill because I won’t shill a coin, but just look at the technology and how the world is now accepting BTC . I.E Facebook, Nike, SEC new ETFs?

>>13609057
>Except when my QQQ calls shot up 50% and I couldn't sell so I'm locked into them until Monday morning
Why didn't you convert it to a spread? Why did RH lock your acct? God, I have so many questions but I already know the answer
>autism

>>13609018
if I feel like gambling I think i'd rather by a lotto ticket. at least it goes towards education.

>>13609090
MAXIMUM

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Movie night Movie night!
Get in here!
Tonight's feature is Jim Jarmusch's Dead Man (1995), my copy of Ghost Dog wouldn't process on google drive for some raisin

Me, I've got a pretty good strategy going. Least I'll break even. Once I make back what I put in, then the rest can all go to hell for all I care.

My whole portfolio amount is 8k. I stand to make with AMRN 10k (stock price @ 50 per + a buyout offer is double that). So I'd make 10k in profit, enough to cover my investment amount plus make a little extra to boot.

At that point the other positions I'm in can all shit for all I care, I've made back my money anyway. But any extra profit after the fact is a nice bonus, say after 30 yrs to the tune of 30k in Divvy income.

Then if PINS takes off and get's bought by a FAANG even more profit.
Or the day LGF gets bought well cause frankly it's the only option they got if they want to stay in the film bis now with the streaming wars upon us.

But if none of it comes to pass and I lose it all (8k) I'll be ok. I won't be in the poor house. Will it hurt? Hell yes. But I won't be bankrupt.

>>13609109
LOSS

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>>13609115
redpill me on amrn. Is an investment worth it? What should I be wary of incase shtf? I can do it on margin too so I'll prolly sell calls on it in the usual lots.

>>13609115
Well all the stock pros have it going to $50 per. The drug results are sound. They're a small outfit so a buyout offer once the FDA gives it the green light is a sure thing. They are increasing sales/profit each quarter (Drug is approved for real bad high risk people; the new approval process is for general usage on normal folk)

>>13608749
> being this naive

>>13608806
Good luck, what branch? Remember you need a wife and a fast car, those are your first two priorities once you're in.

>>13607844
m1

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1127337211777757191

>I think that China felt they were being beaten so badly in the recent negotiation that they may as well wait around for the next election, 2020, to see if they could get lucky & have a Democrat win - in which case they would continue to rip-off the USA for $500 Billion a year....

>....The only problem is that they know I am going to win (best economy & employment numbers in U.S. history, & much more), and the deal will become far worse for them if it has to be negotiated in my second term. Would be wise for them to act now, but love collecting BIG TARIFFS!

He's a doofus but I love tariffs on China
Love them

>>13607319
unironailly i'm going to go all in with Tilray next week

Thoughts on SLP?

Does anyone here know of any good references on portfolio theory? Or possibly an overview of the current state of the field and what models are currently considered useful, and what the current state-of-the-art would be?

>>13609748
For example, I'd like to be able to understand this framework described here: http://www.math.columbia.edu/~ik/FernKarSPT.pdf

But there's a lot of language I'm unfamiliar with. What (collection of) textbooks would contain the necessary background info to learn how one would implement a model like this?

What dividend stocks are you fuckers invested in?

Bull is the goal

>>13609748
>>13609880
Portfolio theory is junk. They're all
>muh brownian motion
>muh all stocks are lognormal price distributions
If you really wanna read it tho, go take a college linear algebra class online or some shit. You're best off making your own frame work though.
>>13609894
Lord forgive me, I divested out of coke to sell more calls.

Also very cozy movie night tonight, thank you >>13609110
for not choosing utter shit. Everyone who missed it is gay.

>>13610041
WE BETTER FUGGING OPEN GREEN
>>13610042
PEP is better than KO in every way imaginable

>>13610056
idk about the fundamentals, but Coke, Fanta, and Sprite are superior to whatever Pepsi offers

>>13610056
I happened to notice Pepsi changed their CEO to a man and their stock price went up accordingly. Maybe I'll consider it now. No promises.

>>13609110
next week The Rugrats Movie

Investing for the long term, currently having my 401k investments on VIIX and VTSNX. Wondering if this is a good choice? my friend just told me this is good since I am young.

>>13610089
Women CEOs do better

>>13610248
Would be curious to see some stats supporting or disproving that

>>13610312
Just look up what kevin o'leary thinks of them... he makes up some strong points as to why.

Even Lisa su of AMD brough that turd out of the dumps... i remember buying in when she was appointed... didn't hold long enough tho...

>>13610248
>>13610312
>>13610339
I mean, obviously, not all women are bad CEOs. Su Bae is one of the best and AMD is a very strong semiconductor company. Here's O'Leary's take on women in business I think LCIguy was alluding to
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyaB4fz5igM
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DReI622oYL0

But then you get women like HP's ceo Fiorina, or Avon's ceo Jung, and Yahoo's ceo (don't remember the name) who just absolutely shatted on company fundamentals. And yea, men have assblasted companies too, but not really to the same magnitude nor timeframes as women. I mean, when was the last time you used yahoo search? lmfao.

I'd definitely be interested in a study on this whole ordeal though. I know $SHE is underperforming spy on the 1Y chart by more than 5%, but I don't know if comparing etfs would really be a sound practice (especially since $SHE isn't necessarily female CEOs and includes some pretty major spy components who are dominantly run by men).

Cheap SQ calls looking tasty anyone looking to jump in? Seeing some heavy option plays coming from god knows where

>>13610515
>And yea, men have assblasted companies too, but not really to the same magnitude nor timeframes as women
Immelt

>>13609115
I'm only gonna tell you once that buyouts rarely pan out the way you think they will and often never happen at all. People have been saying that with amarin for years. Drug rights might get bought but don't wait up for a BO.

I think I had something of value to post but I forgot it, damn.

>>13610515
O’Leary’s a TV pundit who has to say things that sound good rather than his actual opinions.

But name the female ceos that ran well running companies into the ground with their female incompetence.

>>13610929
>>13610515
Oops nvm. Now I see the rest of the post.

Are you talking about marissa Mayer?

>>13610248
>Women CEOs do better

The majority are either actively terrible or mediocre with no clear direction or control of the company. The exceptions are few.

Kevin O'Leary is a manipulator or kiss ass white knight of women. I suspect he's a secret pillow biter.

>>13610957
Yea, I think it was Mayar. Did a quick google search, she rekt Yahoo's ad revenue. Just fucked all their shit up.

Right now she's operating a fancy day care that charges $5,000 a year lmfao.
>https://pagesix.com/2019/05/11/marissa-mayer-backed-family-space-costs-way-more-than-a-babysitter/

>>13610972
I'd place my money that O'Leary is secretly into furry or hentai. No way he fucks 3d anymore.

>>13611042
>I'd place my money that O'Leary is secretly into furry or hentai. No way he fucks 3d anymore.

Possible.

>>13610972
>>13611042
if i was rich and still had my twinky body and could afford to slim down my face a bit i'd crossdress as astolfo in secret all the time

>>13611097

>>13611097
Fuck that gotta eat big to get big.

>>13608769
The only cost effective way to produce mass quantities of artificial spider silk is with silk worms.

Also saw some recent article where the Polartec CEO was interviewed and he said other methods of production cannot withstand heat from industrial washing and harsh detergents.

There's a reason amsilk's only product is face cremes.

>>13611930
But they made a shoe!

And yeah I’m suspicious of anything cosmetic like that, cbd lotion and all that shit. BUT just because it doesn’t really do anything doesn’t mean it isn’t extremely profitable.

Those electric face skin improving shit make crazy bank.

>>13611996
Is it released?

I thought they were still prototyping it.

>>13612216
No, I think it was just a proof of concept.

I’m going to have to look more into Polartec. Is there any info about their army contract available to the public?

Amsilk has those products on the market, which means I assume they have a revenue stream. But then again, would women want spider cosmetics? Wouldn’t they be grossed out?

>>13612265
If i had to guess it would be that Polartec is going to be the manufacturer for the products that Kraig is going to sell to the army.

Since the company isn't a clothing manufacturer they need someone to turn their silk into products.

The CEO spoke about either partnering or buying a subsidiary. I guess this is the partnership.

Any goop silk maker to my knowledge has had serious problems turning their goop into actual textile so they switch gears and go into making things like cosmetics.

Kraig is the only company positioned to make a serious play into the technical and consumer market for spider silk. We're pretty lucky it's a public company. Seems to me like getting in on the ground floor of something that could be posting a triple digit share price one day after all the growing pains.

>>13609372
Army
Getting married soon buying a used car with only liability insurance

>>13609400
oh man if trump actually tries to play china by putting tarrifs on them the whole election cycle it's going to backfire spectacularly. the economic collapse it will bring will ensure he looses.

When do you know to sell? I've been invested in the same stocks for 3 months now and have only made a grand net total of $2.

>>13613737
Make more money first before playing the market I bet you have 2 shares of some blue chip

>>13613737
depends on the stock
DEPENDS ON THE STOCK

you should decide what the goal of a position is when you enter the position (when you buy the stock)
At that time you should define, at least roughly, what your upside/downside conditions should be for exiting that position (selling). These can change later, but if they change too drastically it's a sign that your initial guess was way off, or you're letting emotions take too much control.

you need some kind of system, something quantitative keeping you organized to make sure you're not just buying and selling on whims.
If you don't have a plan, if you don't have a system, then you will find yourself having to make split-second decisions at the worst, most emotional times: when the market is up or down suddenly. don't be like that. Take the times when the markets are closed or steady to think through things, so when the sky is falling you can react

>>13607940
>What other stockie/bondie/ETF is up 15% today?
Well over the last few years the stock market is up thousands of percent due to this little thing called compounds interest.

>>13608878
>Don't put any money into the stock market unless your prepared to lose every penny. If you put 10k into it be prepared for the day it's gone. Yes diversification helps but shit does happen.
Uh, no. Entirely false.

Multiple depressions, multiple economic collapses and even a world war and the US stock market has still returned literally +10000% over its life. In one lifetime you can guarantee with just one index tracking fund that you make millions. Its is literally impossible for this to not work unless either the government outlaws indexing or the stock market was physically dissolved through the government.

>>13613868
Yep, honestly they think the stock market is like crypto, a volatile wild west. When in fact its extremely stable and in every major crash or depression it goes back up and always recovers and goes up.

>>13613884
The lack of knowledge on investments on /biz/ astounds me. At least on boards like /v/ people grasp the basic concepts of game design, no one here understands investments at all on this board. This whole coin craze really showed how shit /biz/ is.

Have mad money in Facebook and Teva Pharma

The future looks good for me

Welp lads another possible red day but I don’t think it’ll be as bad. At this point the market doesn’t want to keep going down for some retarded political fight. Are the tariffs going to hurt certain stocks? Yes. Should you avoid those stock? No. Good dips on Solar and semi’s left and right that are prime to burst once orange man says the trade war is over (and they will explode) but for now put them on your watchlist and just stick to safe shit for now otherwise you won’t be in for a good time

>>13613830
This is why I do things warren buffets way. Buy companies you ise that will be here 30 years from now. Much simpler than gambling

Did you guys know if you put 1800-3000 for your kid when they are born they wont have to worry about retirement? They’ll have millions.

Don’t be a shitty parent and make your kids do all the heavy lifting for themselves putting 500 away every month to hopefully make retirement when it only took a couple grand to set it and forget it when they were born

>>13614121
nah fuck that
I plan to have as many kids as I can afford to feed
once they hit 8 years or so, they can work and save for their own retirement

>>13614168
My kids will be eating filet mignon for breakfast every day when they retire. Sorry about yours

>>13614121
i dont know what kind of math that is, certainly not real math.

smg so horrible posters weekends, mostly kids, dont even bother coming here

>>13614194
hey my kids will be eating whatever they want, there will just be a lot more of them

>>13614212
I dont even have kids yet, hoping to have a lot. Idc if i go broke making sure they are all set. My parents were/are rich as fuck and squander it all in typical boomer fashion. I wont be repeating this shit. My family line would be leading into the multi-millionaire club if not for stupid boomer parents, im making sure my kids get there and we can take over the world

Tips on how to start building my dividend portfolio? I got tired of day/swing trading.

I know $F is a good buy when it dips, but is there anything else I should look for? Since I see that most dividend protfolio have shit ton of different stocks.

>>13614756
MO. Good divvie and underpriced

>>13614862
Ok thanks for the recommendation Guess I'll set a limit buy for $51.50

>>13614756
Look at 3M right now, heavy discount

>>13614900
It might go under $50 on Monday due to bad press on hiring young Instagram models. I recommend just seeing if it drops and buying when it looks like it's at the bottom

>>13615108
aight friend, thanks for the info.

>>13614756
SPYD

G.
P.
R.
O.

what do you see in this Rorschach test

>>13609880
stochastic theory is graduate level math/statistics.

Unfortunately, high level statistics is based on measure theory which is highly autistic and hard to learn with a good background in real analysis.

go to /sci/ and ask around. Math is hard to self learn outside of a classroom setting but if you want theres plenty of MIT open courseware videos on youtube

>>13615566
Number go up
Market go up

>>13610042
You can summarize most of mathematical economicswith 'muh everything is log [whatever] distributed'.

China is closed tomorrow. Unless some extreme unexpected event happens today, market will be neutral/up tomorrow.

>>13615808
Might be sideways for a while. As the escalation of the trade war rhetoric plays out.

>>13615808
>Unless Trump tweets the markets will be up tomorrow

>>13615808
So the worst case scenario playing out from a down week in anticipation of a worst case scenario is bullish? I have heard this opinion repeated over and over but I do not understand it at all. There is something huge going unsaid.

>>13615890
Trump tweets do nothing to the market unless he threatens China

>>13615808
for what reason? the SSE is open in 8 hours.

I bought Uber at $43. Am I going to be OK?

>>13615912
People think water is like a giant feather pillow for some reason

>>13615912
Cthulhu switches his pants lol

>>13615912
is he ok

that's really not that far up

would he have lived if he went in straight?

>>13615967
trunks don't match, looks like it was edited.

>>13615926
You bought a company that values itself at 93 billion dollars yet has never turned a profit. It is being bombarded by competitors and doesn't seem to know what it's primary stream of revenue will be in 5 years. They have bet everything on self driving technology. Who knows when it will be ready for widespread use? You are fucked.

>>13616035
But look at the volume there is a ton of buyers and look at the IPO price of $45. Are you sure wallstreet isn't accumulating at these prices for an epic moon mission to $100?

Literally every bank and analyst in the country was bashing the company and saying to short it after Lyft. They never try and help out the little guy. Something suspicious is going on IMO.

>>13615960
>>13615989
>both have back injuries
>both are fat
it's the same guy

>>13616107
his trunks magically became larger in the water?

>>13616128
Yes. Not that magical, fabric expands when exposed to water

>>13616079
If there are a ton of buyers why did the price fall $3 on its first day? People may be buying it but it's clear that it is already overpriced. It's all bet on self driving technology being ready within 5-10 years. Pretty soon they will be raising rates on rides as they sometimes lose money on rides and drivers are unhappy with their pay. They already rely on repeat customers and the customer base isn't expanding. What will happen when the price to ride goes up? Now they are burning cash starting up Uber freight which is like on demand 18 wheelers to ship merchandise, but what business wants to rely on unscheduled shipments? I'm very skeptical of Uber.

>>13609018
anyone that trades bitcoin is a dumb ass

>>13615967
Maybe if he went down like a pencil he would have just shattered his ankles and knee caps. Provided that he was strong he could have used his upper body to get to shore

>>13616163
They're already profitable in the cities they're established in. It's the expansion that kills their profits. Honestly they'll be fine if they ignore the Crybaby drivers and just entice more newbies to jump in, it's how they killed the taxi unions

>>13616148
from briefs size to tight trunks size? right.

CTL

warning to you divvyhoes

>>13615960
Looks like trunks that rode up his leg though.

>>13616209
Then maybe they should be scaling back to turn a profit rather than burning through all their cash and asking investors for more money.

>>13616264
>thousands of people will give me free money to expand my business
>I should definitely not do this

>>13616293
>I should sell our share in our company to total strangers so that I can advance my own bad business decisions and leave everyone with nothing in 10 years
>I should definitely do this

>>13616326
>expanding a proven business model into new markets is a bad business decision
Lmao

>>13616341
its only good if its profitable

>>13616341
Proven? They lost $5 billion last year
lmao

>>13616355
And it is in their established cities. The loss is only where they're trying to shake out the taxis and become the dominant player

>>13616367
How do you not get that that's because they're still in the midst of expansion? The world is huge, there are a lot of cities to get into, build a base of drivers, and lure in customers. How fast do you expect a taxi company would take to set up operations in literally every city with more than 100k people in the world?

>>13616388
usually you expand and make profits though

>>13616388
>expand your sinking ship business so you can lose money across the entire world instead of just a few regions

>>13616415
>>13616469
Honest question, are both of you illiterate?

Uber is profitable in their established cities.

Read that back to yourself until you understand it and then ask yourself why they might be willing to take a temporary loss expanding into more as fast as possible, no matter the cost

The brainlets in this thread convinced me Uber is a good buy at $43 thanks brainlets.

>>13616513
> loss no matter the loss
big move

I'm not too confident on the long-term potential of Uber. I just don't know how they're going to avoid being undercut by cheap Chinese knock-offs.

Thanks Trump and China and the Trade dispute for giving me such nice Cheapies to buy and hold.

Now thanks to you guys I'll be set for life. I hope this shit keeps on next week, or least some nice tanks take place; got more to buy you see.

AMRN,T,GE,LGF,PINS,SWPPX - all will be making me Profit you see. Got some of them at the low end of the 52 week range. With lots of upside still to come my way. Even during the market shits and whatnot, SWPPX, will help keep things in line so to keep my losses at the low side.

Then when AMRN rises to $50 per and a buyout gets floated at them I'll make back my whole portfolio amount and then some. It's all extra gravy after that. So once that all happens, and it will, everything else can just go to hell for all I care. I'll have made back my money after all so why should I give a fuck what happens after that.

But it won't; PINS will rise from where it is at now; who knows maybe a FANNG will swallow them whole down the road? (I hope). T will still be paying out his Fat Divvy ($2.04 per) when I'm old. GE will rise from the shit; at $30 per I'll clear $720 from him. LGF will be bought, if they want to stay alive its the only option they got due to the Streaming Wars upon us all.

So its all good for me, hell even if all turns to shit I still got a nice fat 401k, a pension, and some Green in the bank.

>>13616513
Are they, though?
They are locked into their "global monopoly" strategy which has already failed. They failed in India, they failed in China, they failed in Brazil, they failed in Russia. Margins are razor thin and only 4% of drivers work for them more than 1 year. They have to pay out sign on bonuses just to keep driver numbers up. They are locked into a pricing war vs Lyft, driving profits down.
So how will they turn a profit? Raise rates and lose customers to Lyft? Or reduce driver compensation and have no employees left to work the business?

why all boards say photos "file no longer exist 404" ? works only if opened in new tab

>>13616671
>T and GE
>Lots of upside

Thanks boomer I needed a laugh. Enjoy the ride to 0.

Sad to say it but there will never be another "Amazon" type stock. Why? Cause when Amazon became a thing there was no competition. No one else did what Amazon did at the time. By the time others woke up it was to late, Amazon had took over.

UBER and Lyft both do roughly the same thing and both are burning cash like crazy. Then you got the traditional taxi services etc. So there is no room for one to outdo the other so the stock price won't be doing any crazy upswings anytime soon. Indeed the stock may be doing a big shit once the first quarter earnings come out.

>>13616767
you watch too much porn.. clear cache

>>13616847
Wasn't ebay around and a lot bigger?

>>13616847
I cannot imagine what definition of company you have for Amazon that would make it completely unique in its time period. There were tons of online storefronts

>>13616782
GE, shat down to $6.66. Now it's at $10+. I'd call that Profit to me

>>13616704
>>13616513
Forgot to mention also that they have failed in the United States. In cities where they haven't got a monopoly they are competing with several other companies, hemorrhaging money. What happens when other companies enter their so called "profitable" markets? The company won't even release the specific number on their profitable cities which means they basically at a break even point in places where they achieve total domination.
Their only solution is to keep raping investors until self driving cars become a thing and hope to God that they can buy up enough of those and still make a profit (self driving cars won't be cheap). Bad business. Meanwhile they will be raising their fare prices to keep drivers on and maintain their already terrible cash flow which will let Lyft slide right in and take up half of their customers.

>>13616893
Self driving cars will be a thing in under 5 years. Uber is a pioneer on the research of self driving cars and that is one of the reasons they burn so much cash.

Sure there may be tons of other services but who wants to fuck with learning a new service in every city they visit? For the most part Uber's revenue is from business clients or people vacationing.

>>13616959
They spend about $330m on r&d per year but lost 5 billion. Their customer base isn't expanding while costs are going up.
It's just a shit business model.

>>13616987
FUCK I NEED THIS TO PUMP TO $100 I'M ALL IN AT $43

>>13616959
>uber facing massive liability issues when people get into accidents in their self-driving cars
im not sure if them banking on self driving cars will save them

>>13616959
But they have to contend with Google. Google is doing the Self driving car thing to, as is GM. So again no single company can dominate the market. Google or Amazon could prob swallow up UBER and not blink an eye. Hell Bezos funds his space biz from just selling his Amazon stock once a year. Which says a lot considering that one rocket costs more than what most people would make in several lifetimes.

>>13617000
I hope you aren't actually 100% in on one company
>>13617041
Every accident = $1m lawsuit = cost of 20 self driving cars

At what point can you exercise an option?

>>13617104
any point

>>13617058
gm is actually smaller than uber lmao, nobody wants their garbage products and they are closing factories left and right. i don't even think they make cars anymore since they were tired of getting raped by toyota and honda. google or amazon could if they wanted. tesla is leading the driverless space

Zerohedge is predicting a recession

>>13617144
What if i told you people have been predicting a receission for 5+ years?

>>13617136
Yea and uber will manufacture their own cars? You're fucking stupid if you think the automotive giants aren't working on this tech

>>13616782
being negative to the T poster is bad karma and rude
It's not about the feasibility of his investment strategy, it's never been about that
he found something that he believes in and your negativity is unwelcome

>>13617104
have you tired using the google.com search engine

>>13617144
>>13617159
ZH predicts recession every week for a lot longer than 5 years

>>13617180
Filthy T sympathizer.

>>13617166
who do you trust more to develop game changing technology, tech companies like google/apple/tesla/uber that are working on it or boomer truck and suv companies like ford and gm, that couldn't even engineer a functional car that people wanted? i don't think the asian car companies are even working on it as they are technologically illiterate but smart enough to know it's futile, unlike GM

>>13617211
it has nothing to do with T
it's about the feelings a man has for the things he possesses
It's about hope for the future
it's about the spark reflected in the eyes of that first primal man who harnessed fire
the T is irrelevant

>>13617211
If you don't have T in your divvy basket you're a brainlet
If you only have T in your portfolio you're a fucking retard

anyone going to buy stocks in coffin companies? the boomer die off begins soon

>>13617166
Fug. Maybe it’s not too late to buy some F...

>>13617265
Honestly it's not the worst idea in the world to invest in late life hospice care companies like EHC

though with healthcare being a hot topic politically personally I'm steering clear of the entire sector for the most part

>>13617265
before the boomers die off we have about 20-30 years of paying for all their medical care to look forward to ; )
by the time the boomers actually die this country will be 100+Trillion in debt and they'll be tossed into mass graves or burned. No one's going to be able to afford coffins after what happens next

>>13617319
>20-30 years of paying for all their medical care to look forward to ; )
doubt desu
only fate boomers deserve in 30 years is to see the country they ruined brought to complete destruction, to really drive point home how disasterous wealth squanders they were

I have managed to accumulate TWO hundred shares of KDP. I plan to retire off of this amount in twenty years.

>>13617319
My hate for boomers grows by the day, these people are scum.

>>13617180
What manga?

>>13617319
>they'll be tossed into mass graves or burned.
Then buy shares in a cremation company.

>made 3 grand writing porn stories these last 2 months
>want to invest it
>too scared
>cling to money and let it rot
FUCK

>>13617246
And you think those outside tech companies know how to incorporate that tech natively to the engine and cars computers better than the company that created that?

It's not like those boomer companies can't just make a new department and open a new office in silicon valley/nyc/etc to have people just work on that tech

>>13617374
3 grand isn't that bad. It's nice to have a cash reserve of at least that much in case everything goes to shit in the next year or two (highly likely).

>>13617356
Kaguya-sama, early chapters (like 5 or 6)

>>13617361
I mean like tossed in a big pile with some wood, toss a match and light away

>>13617387
I've got 20 grand in cash reserves. This is just sitting in my paypal.

>>13617374
yo post the most pornographic and explicit sentence you ever wrote

>>13617395
that's not cash reserves, that's numbers on a screen

>>13617395
>paypal

>>13617374
jeez me made like $150 doing hour or two doing vore e-rps
did you sell a book on amazon or something O_O

>>13617454
>those stink lines
get well soon fren
wash yourself plz

>>13617374
Amazon? link?

>>13617395
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>>13617454
>>13617500
Private fetish porn commissions. They add up when you're willing to write any fetish under the sun. It's somewhat lucrative, I just wish I wasn't so scared when it came to stocks - everything always feels like the wrong choice.

>>13617545
You...do know you could just put money in an index and forget about it, right...?

>>13617545
tell me more, where can i find customers for this?

>>13617577
VTSAX
STACK
STACK
STACK IT UP

(Do it in a Roth IRA if you don't expect you'll need it for at least 5 years)

>>13617593
PUMP
UP THE STOCK
PUMP IT UP
WHILE YOUR FEET ARE STOMPIN
AND THE STOCK IS PUMPIN

Let's look at some carbonated beverage companies.

You got KDP - Not only do you get Keurig as a bonus, but you get to own the elite brands in the carbonated beverage business. Dr. Pepper, Canada Dry, the list goes on. Canada Dry alone has launched dozens off mix flavors that are taking off bigly. Their drinks are popular with a younger audience as well.

Pepsi: A couple decent carbonated beverages though nothing as good as Dr. Pepper or Canada dry. They do have Mountain Dew. But most of all they have Frito Lay which fucking everyone loves and will continue to prop up their failing soda business. The best part of owning this stock is they may one day spin off the snack business which would send shares up 100% overnight.

Coke: Shitty boomer company with a shitty product line. Pays a fat dividend so low IQ fat boomer fucks like Buffet keep buying it. They have Dasani water I guess.

So in conclusion you should be buying KDP, PEP (for the snack business though with the drink product line more of a necessary evil) and shorting K.

Any chance KHC get crushed harder when they report earnings?

Also, anyone notice this “cheddar” network added to their channels near CNBC Bloomberg? Looks like an attempt at zoomer business news, with esports coverage as well as pleb tier coverage from the NYSE floor.

>>13617730
Real men are going all in on JSDA.

>>13617730
u ignored fizz
look up the articles about their most recent earnings call, it's pretty funny

u also didn't mention MNST
you didn't account for some of KO's new products

also if you're a true foodchad you will buy any and all food/beverage companies based on undervalued conditions and possible upside

I know someone who works for Frito-Lay, she said they're all somewhat annoyed that the beverage side drags down their pay (bonuses)

>>13617765
no
crushed into the clouds maybe
I mean KHC will take a couple years to return to their full potential, but if you don't buy in before their next earnings you won't get as good a price

>>13617730
I drink orange vanilla coke like at least twice every week. It's some good fucking shit. Highly recommend not shorting KO. They have factories in mexico too and they're giving all the workers fucking diabetes they love coke so much. They will never put that shit down.

>>13617347
Thanks for reminding me! Plan to bag some KDP next week while I'm on my buying spree. I think those machines have potential. hell look at all the shit that you can put in them now, not just coffee or tea.

>>13607319
tripfags burn in hell on the weekend have fun guys

>>13617545
damg you do good job getting commissions
3k alot here that kinda of cash would take me year to get

>>13617797
fuckin beaners in the factories probably not paying KO for the soda, just drinking straight from the soda wells where the coke bubbles up from deep underground

what I mean to say is, I love the mexicans, great people, very nice people. but can we get that wall built with all this new chinese tariff money instead of spending it on some other bullshit?

F will have a big day tomorrow, tons of upgrades after closing bell on Friday.

>>13617835
If Trump or anyone in the GOP wanted a wall, or wanted Mexico to pay for it, they would have initiated a fee for any and all personal wire transfers to south of the border. It would have paid for a wall in 6 months. No one even proppsed it, because they have 0 intention of either goal.

>>13617823
Are you angry because I called you bitchtits once or something

>>13617730
You forgot about FIZZ and all the dudeweed beverages, as well as liquor.
>>13617793
Oh dang you beat me to fizz
KHC reports earnings tomorrow before the open, so I guess I missed the boat on macncheese cheapies
>>13617835
P-please boomersan. M-maybe we could pay down some of that national debt?

tripfags are niggers that deserve no (you)s

>>13617765
This is unironically the bottom. I am buying every time it dips to $31. I was somewhat hesitant when I heard they were selling off parts of the business but I don't have an issue with anything they put up for sale so far. Great brands, Heinz and Kraft Macaronni are practically worth it themselves at this price.

>>13617793
I was actually just treading about them but their product line is straight trash, fuck that juggalo shit. MNST is kind of different so they weren't included. Would like to see KDP go after Red Bull once they finish paying off the debt from the merger. Now that it has been getting smoked by Monster maybe they can be brought to the table, they are both German/Austrian based.

>>13617807
They also recently partnered with INBEV to make a cocktail machine similar to the Keurig. It was meant as more of an experiment but I guess on their limited launch it sold out in minutes and they think it can be big.

>>13617893
the tripfags in these threads are special (mostly)
they generally do a good job shilling garbage stocks to zoomers, or encouraging zoomers to go all in on short expiry options
and they do all this day in and day out, for free

the only problem are the posters who do actual research and try and convince people to buy good stocks
fortunately they are mostly ignored

Bear gang rise up

>>13617881
Politics : what you want to hear
Revealed preference (like you describe) : what you really want

>>13617929
you forgot to put your trip on friend, (you) aren't convincing anyone that they aren't complete cancer

>>13617923
I get spooked by accounting issues, and the fact that they keep releasing more accounting issues.

Often a bad sign.

WHOOPS KHC reports AFTER hours. May take a small position and add more if they get knocked. Especially if they get a sell off before reporting.

>>13617960
they are cancer but they keep the greater cancer (zoomers) at bay
they do this by convincing the zoomers to buy garbage stocks with the promise that the stocks are about to go up in value by multiples

I've never had a tripcode in my life

>>13617923
>>13617989
I wouldn't invest in KHC just for bad accounting alone. Probably some diversity hire junked up all the fuckin numbers and they cheaped out on the auditors.

I have slowly come to the terrible revelation that none of you know what the fuck you are doing. I have a Master's in Accountancy with a Minor in Finance. I work for a fortune 100 as a corporate accountant with a CMA and CPA. I used to have some faith in anon. None of you know how to actually value a company. You have no fucking clue how taxes work. You can't read financial statements. For fuck's sake you think TA works and the entire field of decision science churns out dissertations every other day highlighting their absolute dismay at the fact that brainlets ever consider using it. You have no idea what Dunning-Kruger is. You don't know what survivorship bias is. You are too fucking uneducated and stupid to comprehend how fucked you are.

Idk why I'm even posting this, fucking goodluck kids.

>>13617989
They still haven't released an earnings date. They filed for a delay because of all the SEC issues.

I think the accounting issues were already resolved and came to a reduction to revenue of like 200 million over the past three years. Not very material.

I was more concerned about the stooges at 3G still running the show but apparently this new guy is not related to him. We will see.

Old pasta. Not even gonna give you you're (you).

>>13618016
Based no (you) boster. Here’s your (you). Don’t forget to announce to trips when you filter them!

>>13618010
Good points... it does seem like they can’t go lower, but they need to do a real change in directions on their shitty junk food, companies like Annie’s are stealing their market just by being more “human” and seeming healthier.

I'm going into futures open with massive short against ES. Which side are you on?

>>13618010
What kindof gay world is 67mil per year not material lmfao. I mean, yea a big corp like khc is just a hardly noticeable dent, but still.
>>13618050
yum yum yum yum yum, delicioso!
>>13618069
Dont do it tripfag. You will perish.

>>13618069
CRAB GANG CRAB GANG CRAB GANG CRAB GANG CRAB GANG CRAB GANG CRAB GANG CRAB GANG

>>13617995
that is not good that is very bad this kind of behavior is bullshit I don't want a loss porn general go to a fucking cancerous discord boiler room and laugh at people there fuck off

>>13618113
Agreed

>>13618105
Go ahead and iron condor this market, I fucking dare you motherfucker.

>>13618105
Nope, this is definitely everything but crab week iuam

>>13618096
I'm willing to take my chances against so called greatest economy ever, I will accept 50% loss if I'm wrong but hey what's the point if you're not trying to prove market is wrong and you are right.

>>13618123
I just need a crab morning to off load my calls, don't really care what happens after that

>>13618125
Godspeed you magnificent autist. Post screenshots when you lose.

>>13618123
>>13618159
I second the condor idea. Do it, you won't.

>>13618159
Bull run and then execute your calls?

>>13618196
Relax geez. I'm gonna give you satisfaction of knowing I'm opened all the way from 2870 to 2835. I'm stopping myself at 2900-2920 if there's a sign of trend change. If not I'll settle for 3-300% profits :^)

>>13618196
>>13618197
You don't understand, we're in a golden bull run, but I need a pump or crab to reposition.

>>13618269
Bullrun only happens when O'Leary finds his fursona.

>>13618269
Is this how peak performance looks like?

>>13618322
Zoom out
I didn't realize your IQ was this low

new NEW!!

>>13618355

>>13618355

>>13618355

>>13618355

>>13618349
Ooooh so THIS is what peak performance looks like?

wendys or kfc for dinner

i own kfc but am hungry for wendys...fuck

You know it's all good. When I'm done next week buying my shares I'm gonna just sit back and let it all work till I'm 65. Sure I'll poke my head in on it from time to time and read the brokerage statements, and be an active stockholder (voting during the meetings), etc. but in general it's gonna just be a "buy it and forget it" deal.

You can fuck yourself up real bad if you act hasty. The market can shit and you panic and pull out. But then next week your flying high and Profit is pouring in like mad. So by pulling out you lost out on all that profit.

My whole portfolio (investment) amount will be $7128, roughly. I stand to make with AMRN alone 10k. (going by latest estimates) So I'd have made back my whole investment plus a little extra with just AMRN.

So after that, my other holdings can all shit and burn and I could care less. I've made back plus extra what I put in after all. Long as I break even it's all good to me.

>>13617144
A recession is still a contingent event. If the FED lowers rates or Trump backs off, it will be prevented in the near term. The underlying systemic issues, however, will continue to fester. A recession may occur regardless however IF wage growth hits 4% and/or oil or grain prices spike.