/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>13350537
he's right you know

>>13350537
Get back to work boomer, someone’s gotta pay for my neetbux.

>firm handshake

hyperbitcoinization will be beautiful

>>13350537

This guy literally thinks ww2 was getting into debt to free other people without realizing the massive industrial and financial boom that gave to his life

fuck him

>calling us the hand out generation when his generation was given the entire world

Based boomer dropping redpills on artificially low interest rate debt bubbles

>>13350537
>*bounces on heels for self-reassurance*

>>13350537
For all of you getting pissed at this guy, you need to empathize with why he thinks this way. He's trying to help people, who have no experience, get their first start. An actual physical skill he's willing to teach and PAY for someone to learn.

He probably doesn't need to do it, but it's extremely helpful to the economy and Society that people like him actually make a fucking effort.

And what does he get in return? People who can't be bothered to show up. That's a reflection on our generation. Can you see how he might get disheartened, and just call young people "entitled". And look how you nutcases just blast his comment sections with stupid statements that just go further to justify what he thinks. You're not persuading anyone by conducting yourselves like that.

There are real arguments to be made about how things are different to when he was growing up, but make your arguments clear, and don't fucking spit in the face of people who want to help.

>>13350728

Up hill, both ways, in three feet of snow.

>>13350537
>I never said that my parent's generation, or my grandparent's generation took my money

They gave you their money you idiot.

>>13350590
Peoples' go-to insults are very frequently their own insecurities.

It's fucking spooky once you realize it.

>>13350537
Did he just.. Blame the GFC on millenials?

>>13350728
Modern values transmission happens primarily through education and mass media/pop culture, not impotent Youtube rants.

The fact Boomers were the first generation so heavily indoctrinated by those forces, then didn't see their effects until the generations they raised turned out to be garbage is nothing short of pottery.

>>13350770
>*siiiip*
>why are my employees ghosting me

>>13350790
Look, I get the resentment towards people who don't bother to empathize with your situation, and who think the world/Society never changes.

You don't convince them to come round to understanding why you're so fucked off by:
1. Literally not going to a job.
2. Trying to make the guy feel stupid in his comments section
3. Make accusations of him having Jewish ancestry
4. Saying you can't wait for boomers to get old and die, without tax funded benefits

>>13350834
What would convincing him (or, let's wave a magic wand and say all Boomers) to understand the Millennial situation matter?

They'll have crap employees no matter what until the next recession frees up a few % of the white labor supply.

They'd never abandon the key memes they were raised on that are responsible for our present situation ("diversity is a strength", "you can't take it with you", "free markets are 100% the way to go", "go to college because civil rights means pre-job testing is racist", etc.).

And even if you convinced them to drop those, out of sheer self interest most of them could never cut back on Medicare/Social Security benefits.

That means economic, demographic, and governmental death spirals are certain for the next 10 or 20 years.

>>13350537
>>13350728

Because he doesn't want to understand the underlying issues. Men earn money to a) keep themselves alive and to b) attract women. Well women suck at the moment so it's no surprise men aren't interested in grinding towards that goal.

>>13350537
shut the fuck up boomer. why do they always go on these self righteous tangents?
>hurr I don't blame MY parents like you blame yours, but I'm gonna blame the generation before them lol
>we didn't have to take loans to buy land, we just worked for it lol
>back then we bought cars with CASH not fake money
die already

>>13350891
Okay, let's you're worried about Societal changes, such as increased diversity (which perhaps encourages employers to seek those who will work for the cheapest - an argument I don't believe applies to all industries, btw).

How do you combat the fear of being Displaced? Do you go and shoot up a mosque? Or do you look at what women from men: Masculine, with the ability to provide them with a stable lifestyle, leading to a nice, cosy wh*te family (although, there are issues with how men and women interact and form relationships these days, again, Societal changes)

People, like this guy, want to offer a path to that. It's by no means guaranteed to end up working out. But nothing is achieved by shutting Resentment everywhere.

>>13350990
>shutting
*shitting

>>13350990
You're a pseudo intellectual.

>>13351000
Yes.

>>13350537
>it's not old folks fault that you're in debt.
Technically, it is. People have to pay taxes, and those taxes pay the interest on the national debt, and that national debt was contracted by older generations.

>>13350610
Underrated post.

>>13350728
Wealth inequality wasn't really a thing back in his days. There were rich fucks back then as well, sure; but you didn't get the huge chasm between rich and "middle class" taht you have today. Without personal debt the "middle class" would not be able to maintain the appearance of decent living. Back in his days, being an electrician or some other trade would allow one to raise a family and live comfortably; now you can get a studio apartment if you're lucky. Sure, he has some points about young people being entitled and wasting money on dumb shit, but he doesn't address the issue of how the system propped up by earlier generations turned out to be. When most jobs around you are off-shored and wages are driven down, you start to think that memetic internet money is your best bet in life.

>>13350965
>We didn't have to take loans to buy land
>We paid off our loans for 30 years
>We didn't get loans because the interest rates were too high
>We bought land for cash

If he explains things like this to his trainees, no wonder they're all shit at their job and leave. What a headfuck.

these threads are making me WANT TO MURDER

>>13351014
It's not me you need to convince with your talking points, it's people like him. What I'm saying is that you don't do it by spamming Resentment fuelled bullshit everywhere.

>>13351042
People like him probably don't want to be persuaded anyway. The whole point of his creating a YouTube channel is to behave like the one who has all the answers. Of course, Millennials don't want to be persuaded either; they already have their pet conspiracy theories as to why society ended up this way. Most people just stay in their bubble and if anyone has a different opinion they're called out as retards or paid shills.

>>13350965
also
>we pulled ourselves up by our own bootstraps back in the day

as if they don't understand the meaning in that analogy.

>>13351130
They can be persuaded if you show them how strange things currently are. For example, why is there a growing disconnect between Wage Inflation and Lower Unemployment?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/an-economic-mystery-why-is-inflation-so-low/2019/04/10/8596ec6a-5ba0-11e9-842d-7d3ed7eb3957_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f99486639f68

>In 2010, unemployment averaged 9.6 percent, while average weekly earnings rose 3.3 percent, reports the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Inflation was 1.5 percent. By 2018, unemployment was down to 3.9 percent. But average weekly earnings of all nonsupervisory employees still grew only 3.3 percent, and inflation averaged 1.9 percent.

Shouldn't scarcity of labor be driving up wages inflation? Why is this happening. And because it's happening, should employers try and do something about? What can they do about it?

That's how you start people understanding your situation; by just discussing what's being observed.

based boomer. Have you taken the SWEAT pledge yet?

>>13350537

>Be me, graduate from lowest-ranked publicly-funded college of business
>Instantly land $72k year starting salary in IT with fully-loaded benefits and amazing lifestyle
>Parents proud, friends jealous, life outlook good
>Low cost of living means huge surplus of disposable income
>Become fit, down from 245lbs to 178 in the span of 6 months through good food an exercise
>Time and energy to pursue passions in the arts
>No college debt because the gvmt paid for it
>Also have 120k in LINK

Why do I feel so empty

>>13351218
Fuck Mickdipshit Row'acunt, he's a fucking OPERA SINGER

>>13351318
Read the unabomber's manifesto.

>>13351318
>ill add something to do with depression so it doesnt look like a humble brag so much

>>13351318
Do the wagie dance for a couple of more years and then quit with a savings. Be NEET for a while and walk across the United States since you'll have the freedom.

this faggot gets the pillow first

>>13351318
You need something that satisfies the power process
If you don't find something, it's likely you'll end up getting engaged in something that will be a massive waste of your time

>>13350763

>call someone a cunt
>somehow I'm insecure about being a cunt
>????
>realise OPs full of shit

that's some top tier psychology, fucking cunt

>>13351594
glad you realized you're a cunt

>>13350763
based&redpilled

>>13351594
cringe&bluepilled

>>13351042
>>13350990

You are just talking about the psychological effects based on the being in question but you don't say anything about the actual phenomena in society and economics, that's why you talk is self-help trash

>>13350537
>Frickin ....frickin....frickin....
>aye look at me, rough voiced, leather skin, "I like it roughh, and you better do better rapscallion"
pfffttttbahahahahaha! Sure thing , old foool!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>13351318
Because you went full normie.
The epitome of boring predetermined cattle life.
Repeat for 30 years, then retire and die in 5 years. GG

>>13351318
because you got all of that stuff by being relatively selfish and so nobody ever came to rely on you

loan money to friends so they can go back to school (don't expect to get it back), invite a girlfriend to move in with you, get a few exotic pets

responsibility is happiness, hoarding things is just a slightly healthier form of addiction

>>13350763
That explains a lot about liberals.

>>13352137
>responsibility is happiness
Responsibility is work. It's an obligation to something or someone.
There are a lot of good things that can come from work/obligations, like a sense of purpose, fulfillment, social status, monetary value, and/or personal improvements - and those things can bring you happiness, but responsibility alone should not be mistaken for happiness.
>loan money to friends so they can go back to school (don't expect to get it back)
I've loaned money to friends that haven't paid me back, it does not bring me happiness, it just feels like I've been taken advantage of and adds a harmful dynamic to our relationship. I've made sacrifices to improve my financial situation and I know they have enjoyed a comfier life when they could have worked harder in school/jobs and not needed my money.
>invite a girlfriend to move in with you
A girlfriend living with you will only bring you fleeting happiness (or something close to it) for a short period of time.
>get a few exotic pets
If you think having exotic pets will bring you happiness you're retarded
>hoarding things is just a slightly healthier form of addiction
Agreed

Belief is joy

Just make sure you believe in something that is good and you will do okay

IF you choose the wrong thing to believe, it will bite you back

>>13350990
The situation is unfixable, it's not a matter of mindset or whatever.
The current state of society is the result of decisions taken decades ago, the dead governs the living.

Boomers did very poor choices for the future generations, they keep saying millenials are entitled but it's more a projection than anything because in reality millenials expect very little from the future and have a grim outlook on it while ironically boomers remain candid and were flooded with opportunities.

I had the discussion yesterday with my parents on how demographic change and debt are slowly turning the country into a shithole and expected conflicts and violence to result in the coming years.

They got angry at me for stating the facts and pretty much said to me to look away, accept this decay and live my own life. This was so pathetic I was out of word, I only felt disgust and a bit of pain thinking about my great grandfathers who literally bled and died in trenches for us.
I'm not sure what I will do after college but seriously thinking about leaving the country and let them in the mess the created.

>>13351218
>11. I understand the world is not fair
>12. I believe that all people are created equal

>>13352278
well you can just dig in your heels and continue to live your life as you have, i don't really care.

it's clear from an outside perspective that you're determined to be unhappy. you sound exactly like *that* kind of person, you know the type. "BUT x, y, z" no matter what you suggest. insufferable.

>>13352278
also, you invest in shitty people if that's how you were left feeling. notice that i qualified "so they can go back to school" which means two things in part, 1. they use your investment to better themselves and therefore become a better friend/connection to have in the long run while being gracious to you. And 2. that you acknowledge some human beings have had histories that make it difficult for them to make informed decisions or dedicate themselves to self-improvement until after several adulthood traumas - which is obvious if you're at all familiar with the neuroscientific literature

you have your head firmly planted in your ass with a bootstraps mentality to boot, so i wouldn't expect too much out of life in terms of happiness or gratitude from others

>>13350763
That spacing

>>13352153
Obsessed

"Your parents are to blame for raising a bunch of entitled fucks and telling them they were the best and the brightest. You guys ain't even the least in the dimmest, and in the near future you are going to be ruled over by illegal aliens, they're coming here by the millions. You don't walls up, yet you want to allow these people. You're gonna be mulling their lawns, you're gonna be living in cardboard hollows while illegal aliens are gonna be living in your houses. They're importing Somalis and these people from Africa into your communities, and they're gonna be taking all you people out because you're too stupid to stand up for yourselves."

Based. Millenial s*yboys BTFO

>>13350537
this old cunt is so dumb and ignorant i dont even want to debunk all this nonsense. Please stay in your lane. He's a mechanic and souldn't try to talk about intellectual stuff he doesn't grasp.

>>13353449
He's absolutely, completely right. Millenial burgers have been grown up with the idea that they're the hope of humanity, and what have they turned out? A bunch of fucking s*yboys and feminists.

>>13353449

nah hes based as fuck. take your ear gauges out and get a job

>>13353505
>>13353526
uhhh no. he’s a delusional attention seeking faggot who still has to get up to paint shit or he will die of starvation. he’s trash and his opinion is worthless. he should have committed suicide a long time ago. he cant even hire people that will put up with him. makes a youtube video like a woman. sad.

>>13350990
>Okay, let's you're worried about Societal changes,
Oh I'm not worried about them, but accepting something doesn't mean it's not a problem.

>such as increased diversity (which perhaps encourages employers to seek those who will work for the cheapest - an argument I don't believe applies to all industries, btw).
You are missing some required reading. Please take the time and buy a copy of Robert Putnam's Bowling Alone. Then visit a few different zip codes.

>How do you combat the fear of being Displaced?
You'd probably start with unwinding most every immigration pattern affecting the western world for the past half century (until genetic modification is widespread, for obvious reasons). In the US alone that's about 60 million, mostly low skilled, people.

Again, though, fear only hints that something might be wrong. Fighting it shouldn't be an end in itself.

>People, like this guy, want to offer a path to that. It's by no means guaranteed to end up working out. But nothing is achieved by shutting Resentment everywhere.
Yes, and there are hundreds of religions out there as well as hundreds of political affiliations, all evangelized by people with mostly positive intentions. That doesn't keep most of them from being insane, obsolete, inefficient, or a complete waste of time.

>>13350728

Based and redpilled.

>>13353558
>he’s a delusional attention seeking faggot
That's applied to literally anyone who recorded a vid of himself on YT

>>13350537
>it's not old folks fault that you're in debt.
Boomers tell their kids to take out a loan for college. I dont expect a teenager to understand debt and finance that well to know they will never pay it off.

>>13350537
>I always paid cash unlike you fuckers who go into debt
>10:35: I paid my debt down
sniffing paint damages the brain.

>>13350537
Anon be a wage cuck like your father and his father's father

If an employee has low morale and quits, it's his fault. If the entire company has problems with morale and turnover, then it's the employer's fault.

If everyone looks like an asshole...

>>13350537
I'm not your nigger, old man!

>>13350728
He's right on principle and values and traditions. He's wrong that anyone should give a shit. The exact job he's teaching used to pay enough to survive on your own. Now it doesnt. Nothing will rectify this divide and that is why we are doomed.