/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>13281654
YangGang2020

>robots
only those robots will be operating offshore, which is where all the profits will also be.

>>13281654
Instead of praying for UBI, why not just invest in crypto projects that give you passive income?

>>13281734
Watched his Dailywire interview, he even says its not a replacement for actual work but more like a poverty level floor. You couldn't stack it either, so no food stamps, disability or welfare if you opt into the program. Its only 12k a year.

What would you guys use your 12k/yr for? I'd pay off debts and move to a different state.

>No work free stuff

Isn't the point of UBI that you don't lose it if you work? Why do people think everyone would be happy with only getting $1k/month? That's poor as fuck.

>>13281654
>when the economy crashes
as it will if UBI is passed, there won't be money to redistribute

>>13281797
>Why do people think everyone would be happy with only getting $1k/month? That's poor as fuck.

There are millions of neets on 4chan that would go from making $0 per month leeching off their parents, to getting $1k per month leeching off the taxpayers.

I highly doubt that by giving free money to lazy pieces of shit, the lazy pieces of shit will suddenly be encouraged to find a job.

>>13281784
literally quit my job, sell drugs, and always have rent and groceries with 1k a month. if i have that 1k safety net, i'm not afraid to risk making 10k a month selling drugs. which i will then put into stocks and crypto and because ultra rich. yang is a fucking moron genius.

>>13281784
There are four people in that picture. That's $48,000 a year.

UBI is simply extended welfare state, communal ownership of the means of production is the only way to stop a permanent slave-like underclass

>>13281767
Like?

>>13281855
I think that's the point, a return to slavery. The west was the only place that abolished slavery and it's now starting too fall

>>13281872
Being neet incels they would waste it on shit and therefore get that money back into circulation in the economy creating work for people who will. At the same time the neets will be less likely to reproduce and therefore the alpha chad race will take over to fight against the AI machines.

The future is looking pretty exciting

>>13281654
its over before it started lmao

>>13281883
but what if i want the billionaires to go broke and die?

>>13282129

So why don't you sell drugs now`?

>>13281654
When the economy crashes tax revenues crashes with it. UBI is unaffordable even now when the market is high. Where do you think that money will come from if we enter a deep recession you useless sack of shit?

I dunno about the argument that people would just do nothing with 12k a year. Personally, I would use the extra time to work on my hobbies and become world-class.
It would also make socialization something that people do all day every day rather exclusively on Friday and Saturday night, which is the way humans are meant to live.

>>13281654
if ubi is implemented crypto will moon

>>13281654
Daily reminder that mass human extinction is the inevitable future and when the robots replace the goyim in the near future, Jews won’t need us anymore and will extermate us all.

>>13282262
Sorry for the half an hour late reply but I closed the thread because it dead. Just go to masternodes.pro and pick a MN project that you can afford. There's a list called Worth that tells you exactly how much 1 MN for that project will cost.

>>13282415

>I dunno about the argument that people would just do nothing with 12k a year.

Well yeah, by that logic we would never see any billionaires or millionaires even since they all would stop working after they reached 12k per year of passive income.

>>13281654
>UBI is the elites' last desperate attempt to pacify the masses just a little longer until we reach the technological tipping point that will allow them to forever divorce the means of production from the working class. they couldn't give two shits about rioting truck drivers the minute they've got the robotic force to squash them in ways that will make current riot police look like fucking child's play. andrew gangbang is just another collectivist tool here to administer short term sedation rebranded as a providential solution to a problem they created themselves thanks overheated industrial progress artificially propped up by endless supply of fiat money.

>>13281654
>UBI is the elites' last desperate attempt to pacify the masses just a little longer until we reach the technological tipping point that will allow them to forever divorce the means of production from the working class. they couldn't give two shits about rioting truck drivers the minute they've got the robotic force to squash them in ways that will make current riot police look like fucking child's play. andrew gangbang is just another collectivist tool here to administer short term sedation rebranded as a providential solution to a problem they created themselves thanks to overheated industrial progress artificially propped up by endless supply of fiat money.

>when you're against yangbucks but don't have the awareness to recognize large corporations have been getting yangbucks in the form of Quntatative Easing

>>13281654
>when the economy crashes in the near future we will all need it to survive.
Where will the funds come from if the economy crashes?

>>13282693
This. Unironically based and red pilled.

>inevitable future

>>13281654
>>>/pol/

UBI is fake and gay. Gas the kikes race war now, man.

>>13282693
Yep. We need fascism now to stop this.

>>13282693
Ready the militia

>>13281784
>What would you guys use your 12k/yr for
If UBI was ever passed I would immediately convert everything to crypto because fiat would inflate astronomically and become worthless in a few months or less.

>>13282331
Then you're likely a jellyboi.

>>13282786
>>13282790
I feel like the people who say shit like this are the kinds of people who will do absolutely fucking nothing

>>13282415
>the way humans are meant to live
Humans were meant to chase down prey on foot until the prey collapsed from exhaustion and the humans beat the shit out of it and eat the meat. Spending almost every calorie we earned in a desperate struggle of survival.

Instead we created trade and divided labor until the point we got here where faggots like you cry on 4chan with all the free time you have.

>>13282535
this

>>13282568
Yeah let's not forget the disproportionate amount of geniuses that spring forth from the 100s of millions of conventional benefit recipients

>>13282693
Shut the fuck up, the idea of robots making/repairing other robots in some kind of perpetual motion/labor rat king is science fiction bullshit holy fuck kill yourself retard LMAO

>>13282860
>the idea of robots making/repairing other robots in some kind of perpetual motion/labor rat king is science fiction

>>13281754
Which is why Yang wants to switch from income ta, to VAT. So kikes can't dodge taxes with loopholes/offshore accounts.

>>13282362
>Where do you think that money will come from
Profitability of automation. UBI is just redistributing the gains firms will make from automization.

>>13282551
Incredibly redpilled

NO NO NO!!!! IMPOSSIBLE!! THINK OF THE INFLAMMATIONS!

>>13282318

So say I don't vote for UBI, but it passes anyway. By what means are you going to lord this over me when I'll be getting the monthly check same as you?

You can't make people richer by printing money. Inflation blah blah money is an abstraction and increases in technology make people richer blah blah being dependent on the government is bad

read basic economics

>>13281883
>get rid of govt
>massive power vaccum created
>anarchist street gangs and private militias start calling the shots
>law abiding citizens get tired of it eventually
>they've had enough
>they form a counter-militia to fight back
>the counter militia organizes local communities, builds a strong support network, and manages to beat back the warlords and shit
>Takes the place of the warlords
>provides services to the local communities like defense and handing out rations to the needy
>Locals pay tribute to their saviors
>they end up making joint decisions about the communities future
>this is not a government
>the state is not a natural occurrence

>>13281654
Today I passed an older woman on the street, looked homeless and helpless. The UBI is going to do an amazing lot of good for people in the US. It's not just for unemployable and the unemployed. There are many who never saved for retirement, or lost it all some fashion, or who just can't get any traction to get back on their feet. There are a lot of people out there living in their fucking cars, I see it every day. A lot of them will just buy drugs and overdose, but a lot of them will also find stability and possibly recover.

>>13281654
you're going the wrong direction

we need to eliminate welfare so everyone gets off their ass and at least works a part time to pay their rent and groceries

it's really not that hard

Seething socialist gayboys still spamming the business board I see

>>13282843
>Humans were meant to chase down prey on foot until the prey collapsed from exhaustion and the humans beat the shit out of it and eat the meat. Spending almost every calorie we earned in a desperate struggle of survival.
>implying that I don't run

>Instead we created trade and divided labor until the point we got here where faggots like you cry on 4chan with all the free time you have.
Stop projecting your weakness onto me. Life is amazing and I want it to be even better for as many people as possible.

>>13283286
MIGA

>>13283270
>t. the eternal boomer

>>13283138
Money unironically is an abstraction. That doesn't mean it isn't beholden to reality when applied to reality, like theft/money printing.

>>13283120
no one cares as long as we get it
stay under your rug

>>13281784
yeah because that worked out so well for Scandinavia and Canada

>>13282794
UBI doesn't add to the money supply you brainlet. Top earners pay in more than the 12k they gt out

>>13282129
What an edgy larp, original I like it

>>13283046
VAT is a direct tax on YOU you fucking retard

>>13283250
Non-sequitur

>>13283838
Why wouldn't it? Because Yang flippantly claims it won't without offering any hard numbers in support of that ludicrous assertion? You are fucking stupid, kid

>>13281654
>ubi is inevitable

Every single advance in automation has lead to lower prices on the specific thing that it automated. There's no reason this would change.

>>13283381
I don't know if you're agreeing with me or disagreeing

>>13283920
I'm agreeing, but I thought you were writing off the idea of money being an abstraction.

>>13283081
Until groups of robots owned by competing people drive the cost of service down, eliminating your gibs.

https://youtu.be/6GEI3PpXEAo

whos going to make robots?

>>13283930
When I say money in an abstraction I'm just pointing to the fact that money is just a useful commodity for trade.
"What the government has done to our money" by Rothbard is a great explanation of the function of money. The idea that printing more money will increase wealth is absurd.

>>13284129
>The idea that printing more money will increase wealth is absurd
Agreed, which is why GDP is fake and gay as well.

>government spending
Not only would this not actually increase GDP alone, but they spend via money printing not taxation. Because pretty much all if not all our taxes go to pay for interest on the national debt. The whole fucking house of cards can't come down fast enough.