/biz/ - Business & Finance

For one, I am highly interested in JCP right now, I feel like it could be a value play

But it just freaken tanked 7%, holy shit.

I feel like maybe it just gained a bunch of value, or it's complete shit

Also, if you trade stocks, what stocks are in your portfolio? which stocks do you follow the most?

>not investing in Jcpenny I just purchased 200 stocks

>>129987
JCP a shit. Expect corrections to continue until at least one major retailer goes bankrupt.

Anyone got risky picks for simulation game?

>>130025
>>130028
Is JCP a shit? they are going to release earnings on wednesday, and if they fuck up, that could kill their stock

On the other hand, good earnings and they can shoot up like no other

picture unrelated, it's a typical american consumer

>>129987
looks bad....

though tgt also has a lot of perpetual earnings guidance slashes.

my feeling is the entire middle class chain store market will be under pressure. You want to be in the high end / low end / or online space right now.

I'd rather take chances with ostk than invest in a company projected to loose more than it's share value in the next two years. It seems to be like an amd debt trap. What is the point of running a business if you cannot even meet the return of a bond with your capital.

Then again it also seems like an iconic brand can't die that easily. Even sears had it's bounce back. Still i wouldn't buy yet, wait for at last 2 bucks or the momentum to change

why play with retail garbage when you have future stocks

>>130040
Yea, pick JCP, Facebook, American Airlines Group..

>in FB and Sony options since $55 and $15

Today is a good day.

>>130045
Even if they have good earnings, they would get #rekd with bad forward guidance. Q1 is not friendly to retail

>>130058
>AAL
Did you ride that AAMRQ too? shit was cash

>>130045
I can't give you much detail but basically this part is correct:
>>130057
>the entire middle class chain store market will be under pressure

JCP, Sears, one of these will go soon.

>>130057
This

I feel like JCP can hit 3 bucks a share, and then
>muh brand kicks in

and JCP soars back to like 5-6 bucks or something

>>130071
I rode LLC pre merger, but I didn't ride it all the way, I bought LLC at 16, and sold at 20

Can not believe it's at 30 something right now

>>130082
You didn't get on the good boat. I rode AAMRQ since $3 a share till $30 something now

My biggest regret was not buying options.

LCC was still pretty good though.

>>129973
Comcast is on a slow downward shit spiral. I hope the Time Warner deal kills their stock price, as people realize how hard they'll be buttfucked with this essental monopoly

>>130111

I hate their stock ticker. 5 letters fuck that.

>>130079
personally, I would like to see them release bad earnings, or below estimations, to see the stock drop to record lows

That might almost convince me to buy in on JCP

>>130103
I know, American Airlines was cheap as fuck, So they converted American Airlines shares to American Airlines Group?

Damn, you must have made a killing haha

I wish I road the US Airways Group stock a little bit farther, but I just wanted to cash out, I didn't think even with the merger, it would get this big.

>>130082
>bought at 16
>sold at 20

How many did you stock did you buy?

>>130133
It wasn't a whole bunch, I'm not some big time investor or anything

>tfw no money

I hope to get more capital in my portfolio, and convert my gold to stocks, cause my portfolio has made 20%+ gains

But I made about 140 bucks from the LCC trade, just an estimate, I might have had like 30-40 shares

>>130008
ENSG GLOG KONA ANFI NQ PII
The rest are in boring index funds.

I don't like to hold more than 10-12 individual stocks since it can be a pain to manage them.

For retailers I always have liked Macy's but I don't Bess around with large caps, I let the funds do it for me.

>>130125
> So they converted American Airlines shares to American Airlines Group?

Yes, not 1:1. But at current rate it is something like 85-90%.

>>130167
That's still so fucking good, cause American Airlines was dirt cheap, like a few bucks a share

Wow, that's where the money was at

You could have become so rich if you had like 40,000 dollars in american airlines

>>130125
Not sure why my msg got sent, but I'm still holding AAL now. Even added some call options, I believe it still have room to get to 40.

Then I'll cash out and swim in my gains

>>130177
>40,000 dollars

If only. Being a neet is suffering

>>130153
Do you own all those stocks?

Don't you think that with commisions and what not, it would be more efficient to own a little bit less?

Or is 10-12 stocks a good number

Also, how much money per stock do you got, and about how much money total?

Cause I have over a thousand in just one stock at the moment, so there is no way I could diversify

>>130193
>tfw no job

>>130194
Yeah I'm currently long on all those posted. Etrade charges $10 each way but that's still less than 1% on a minimal position.
Total portfolio is just over 60k.

>>130261
How do you like etrade?

I'm on scottrade, I pretty much love it, 7 bucks a trade, and no fees at all

>>130261
Etrade is pretty nice, I opened an account with them from family recommendations. The debit card they gave me has access to really good exchange rates when traveling and domestically has no fee + atm fee reimbursement . They approved me for a margin account when I was unemployed and the phone support is the best I've ever had from any company. But the $10 commission kinda sucks compared to whats out there.

I am pretty satisfied, I don't think I would switch at this point.

>>130296
Etrade is pretty nice, I opened an account with them from family recommendations. The debit card they gave me has access to really good exchange rates when traveling and domestically has no fee + atm fee reimbursement . They approved me for a margin account when I was unemployed and the phone support is the best I've ever had from any company. But the $10 commission kinda sucks compared to whats out there.

I am pretty satisfied, I don't think I would switch at this point.

>>130337

Yeah switching seems like a hassle, especially if there really isn't a good reason

the difference between 7-10 bucks really is not that big if you are dealing with large amounts of money

Is there any inactivity fees? I heard that some online brokers charge you a fee for not trading, and other stories like that

Bump

lets talk stocks guys

Can we have a no thread not dominated by poor undergrad tripshits?

>>132644
Are you having difficulties?

I'm just trying to generate some convo, you don't need to be drinking the haterade, and callin me poor and shit

At least I've increased my portfolio by over 20%, have you done that?

i was really proud of making 21% profit off of AMD in just a few months (too bad the initial investment was only $1000). I did this because they had a deal with all 3 gaming console manufacturers. you would think that AMD would be a very good long term investment because of this monopoly they pulled. but somehow they fucking manage to be all over the place. i'm glad i sold when i did.
anyone else have any similar storys?

>>132687

>tfw riding elon musk's wild ride

I just got scottrade about 5 weeks ago. I like it so far, very straight forward.

Can you buy international stocks on there? Say I want to buy on the ASX. Is it possible?

Thanks to whoever told me to buy Textron. It's up 2.2% today.

>>132657
>At least I've increased my portfolio by over 20%, have you done that?
Since when?
I'm up about 70% over the last year. Look around some other boards and realize that not everybody talks like the 15 year olds in /b/ and /fit/.

>>132719
>taking uncalled for jabs at /fit/
Just leave.

Short delta airlines

>>132735
If it helps, the threads that are actually about fitness are all right.

Anyone else bought NQ after Muddy Waters came out with their report?

>>132700
i really wish i got on his shit quicker. is there any point in investing now?

>>132843

There never was. That shit is not viable until they can make better batteries. Consider yourself lucky.

>>132704
I'm not sure, I use scottrade too, I would like to know this

>>132719
that's quite the accomplishment bro

>>132843
Yes, Yes, and Yes

but if I was not in it now, I might wait and buy Tesla on a dip, because Tesla is bound to take a dip sooner or later, and when it does, buy some.

And if it does not dip, just move on.

>>132858
you can't say that there was never a point in investing in tesla. there was obviously short term value.

Thoughts on MONIF.....? anyone

>>132912
He sounds like a hater to be honest.

When Tesla used to be 50 bucks, people called it overpriced, and called it overpriced at 80..

People will always call it overpriced, even when it hits 300.

>>129973
DGAZ went crazy today before it fell.

>>132933
Lel, I don't know anything about that stock, but why did it go up 14%, and why is it so cheap, considering it used to be worth a fortune?

>>132931
Do you want to know why?

Because it's overpriced and it's fucking INSANE. 80 dollar dips is NOT normal for a stock.

>>132951
>stock
You should stop tripping cuz you're a fucking retard.
>>132915
Please no

>>130082
>JC Penny branding kicking in
nick wooster couldnt save their brand for shit; its just downhill from here on

>>134455
>me again
I have to agree with
>>132644
It's pretty obvious
1) You're immature
2)You're poor, stupid, uninformed and have no idea what you're doing
>but muh 20% kek kek I'm so smart.

I've seen people return 100% with pure luck on pennies (admittedly pure luck). There's a reason that people want to see 10 year performance when looking at a fund. 20% in probably like six months when the market was on a tear last year is no accomplishment. Your ego is obnoxious as fuck.

>>132951
>>reply to you
>>see the comment about DGAZ being a stock

Oh sweet jesus. I've been trolled.

>>132931

p/e ratio

Any thoughts on CRZBY?

>>134581
>>134581
Could be a good turnaround story/riding europoor banking recovery. although I don' know anything about them specifically.

>>134606

Third largest bank in Germany, partly nationalized, getting rid of bad debt.

Has been trending higher over the last few months.

I am long, but will probably lighten up on my position this week.

>>134489
It's a stock general thread, if I've never heard of something, I assume it's a stock seeing where we are

>>134492
I've actually said nothing about my intelligence lol, I've actually made a point that I'm trying to learn.

You sound upset because I'm a tripfag, and I like to create discussion

If no one else is doing it, I will. Simple as that, no need to get your jimmies in a bunch

How do I into stocks?

>>134835
Get an online brokerage account with someone like E-trade or Scottrade

That's the first place to start

>>134840
>That's the first place to start
Shouldn't I try to get some experience using simulations first or something?

>>134848
You could, but I wouldn't say it's required.

Also, on a serious note, watch CNBC when you can, shows like Mad Money can help you get an idea of what the stock market is if you are new to the game

Also, reading news articles about different stocks is a way to get more info

But really, I don't think you need a simulation, as long as you know how the market works, which you can learn about through CNBC

I'm looking to sell my natural gas stocks soon.
>price ran up a few years ago
>crashed back down
>rocketing back up thanks to brutally cold winter
>will come back to earth this spring

>>134848
Yeah you should. chances are you will get wrecked if you first start trading. So practice first with a mix of shorting and buying to make sure you are not just getting lucky off the market movement. than if you make dosh doing that go irl

>>134871
speaking of energy, I'm really liking the dividends for BP, seems like a solid investment

>>134869
How much money do I realistically need to be willing to get out there to actually start trading?

>>130079
Sears still has its real estate. JCP does not. JCP pledged its real estate in a recent financing deal

>>134880
meh on BP. Still a lot of unknown future liabilities from the gulf spill. Go with something more reliable like XOM, CVX, or COP

>>134878
You're probably right, if you have no exposure at all, you might want to simulate a little before getting in

But I don't think it should take that long to learn enough to dump like 500 bucks in

>>134881
idk, I started at the bare minimum of 500 bucks from scottrade, but I added an extra 300 or so,

so from like 800 bucks, I've made about 300-400 bucks on that

You don't need a fortune to get into stocks, but you won't be doing a lot of trading, and you will be holding one stock at a time like me lol.

Of course, I am diversified with gold/silver as well

>>134887
dang, it's like 5% dividends with what I think high potential for growth.

Also, If you guys want to know a good dividend stock, check out STB, it's like 8-9% dividend payout, and it's been going strong at that rate for years

>>134893
So I'll need to scratch up around 1000?
That definitely seems doable.

>>134893
>gold/silver

Look at this noob

>>134899
probably, it also depends which broker you use

Scottrade has a very low minimum amount, at 500 dollars, some others require a balance of like 1500

it would be hard to make a fortune off 1000 bucks, but it's good experience for when you one day add a lot more money into it

>>134902
fuck off, having the physical is a great complement to any portfolio

>>134914
why would you have illiquid assets when you are just starting out. dude physical gold is for retirees not go getters. That hist is just weighing you down, you can always flip into or out of gld if you are that worried about it.

>>134925
I've been in the metals for years now, and they have produced great numbers

although the metals have been declining and what not recently, I've always thought of selling them off and putting it into stocks

But then the second I do that, gold hits 2000, and silver hits 40 haha

>>134931
I do want that extra money to trade around with, I'm so tempted to sell the metals

But the precious metals market is actually just picking back up

>>134931
I mean you could just sell it for cash and then keep the cash in slv and gld. That cash would go a way to securing you a 25k margin account. So you could still have the gold and silver and use that cash also as collateral for a margin account. You are wasting your potential collateral.

>>134941
>trading on margin

Do you do this? I've always thought about borrowing money, but then shot the idea down because I would hate to go into debt if a stock like Tesla really hit the shitter

Also, I got about 3-4ish grand in metals, so that could go a long way in trades

>>134953
Trading on margin is risky. I wouldn't do it unless you have a sizable trading account. A lot of professional (margin/leverage) traders recommend risking about 1-2% of your portfolio per trade, which isn't worth it IMO if you have a small account because the fees eat up a large portion of the costs.

>>134981
that's a good point

>>134898
When you see such an eye popping yield, you need to ask your self why is it trading out of line with its peers?

Nice yield on STB, but declining share price and no dividend increases over the last few years

>>134994
It's been a pretty solid investment though ever since it hit the 5 dollar mark, cause it's around 6 now, and those super high dividends are crazy.

As long as the stock does not drop, that gain is pretty sizable.

Seems shady though

I'm retarded but I want to get into this stuff, I have some questions:
1. Say I bought Apple stocks @ $460 and sold them at $560. Who buys that (If I sold somebody had to buy)? I mean, it's not very logical to buy when the stock is high, right?
2. Can I trade foreign stocks? Say I'm in yurop and trading US stocks
3. Company X spends 10 billion on Y, does it have any effect on the price of their stocks?

>>135005
1. There are lots of people who are buying stock at an asking price, and selling stock at an asking price

When you want to sell your apple stock at 560 bucks, it will match your sell with someone who is buying apple stock at 560 bucks, but you won't sell if no one is buying at your asking price (aka 562)

2. I have no idea, I've never bothered with foreign stocks

3.It's hard to say, if people generally think the buy was a really awesome buy, it might move the stock up a percent or so, but most of the time a company buying something like that has no effect

The effect happens once they release their earnings, and if they made a bundle of money, the stock price will go up, and that could be because of buying Y for 10 billion bucks

>>134953
Yeah that is why I would never buy a stock like tsla on margin, but a stock like fslr that is 100% guaranteed to win I would go all in o that fucker. I mean why wouldn't you. what universe?

>>135005
1. Yes, there's someone on the other end buysing. It's either the market maker (your broker, bank or investment firm) or another investor or investment firm.

2. Yes. You'll need to open a foreign trading account, though. Check with your local stock brokers. A lot of them should be able to set you up. Word of advice, if you don't have at least $5,000 to start off with, don't bother. The trading fees will eat up your capital real quik. Rather stick to local stocks if you have little to invest.

3. Possibly. It depends on what they're buying and whether the market perceives it as a good or bad thing.

>>135020
The people buying the stocks would be "bidding" and the guys selling are "asking"

so if you check stocks, they usually have a "bid and ask" price, and the actual stock price falls somewhere in the middle

>>132789
yes

>>135022
fslr is elon musk's company too right? do you know anything about it?

Is firts solar going to have a hand in helping tesla?

>>135040
no that is scty you are thinking of which is loosely related to tesla and shares some of tsla's technology. However fslr does or rather has done work with scty in the past. Due to the way the competitive panel landscape is lining up right now, fslr is the most likely candidate to supply volume production to scty of their tetra sun panels. SO really all three companies are sort of intertwined, but fslr stands to benefit hugely and has the most conservative balance sheet and business model by far. It is what I would describe as one of the safest plays in solar, maybe it will not have the highest gains, but I am ok with that.

Good stock market simulator?

>>135057
Yeah solarcity, that's it!

sounds like you are invested in fslr, godspeed bro

I'm about to hit the sack, it's like 5 am and I got class in a few hours, peace

>>135068
sign up for the marketwatch biz game,

>>128607

>>135077
I see "god speed" now means flame out 12% after hours

>>135094
FSLR got rekt
what did I tell you
IDS HABBENING

>>138847

>dat clean miss on earnings

firstsolar a shit

>>134931

>owning physical metal instead of metal ETF's

unless it's 2008 again this makes no sense

>>135057
>>135040
FSL is down almost 15% from missed revenues lol, time to buy?

>>139368
10 miss on 500 m shares is difference of 50 million dollars. but the zionistas will use that 50 miss to sucker punch toe stock to go down as of right now 8 dollars . so that 50 m will result in the market cap going down by 1 billion dollars. This is why the zionistas love to crush a stock even if its sound. They are now using a 50 m shortfall to destroy the market cap by 1 billion dollars. They will continue to drive the price down because zionistas are cheap ruthless and manipulative . They will employ all media, CNBC, bloggers, and issued a flurry of negative news to drive the price lower. Their algos will take out all stops until they are holding the stock for its cash value. All the while they will focus on useless metrics to confuse u so u dont question why they are stealing the wool from under your eyes. to win in finance u must think what would a money grubbing zioniasta do?

Rule of thumb, diversify.

Long term
Have stock in at least one company in the oil sector. Have stock in at least one company in the insurance sector. Have stock in at least one company in the energy sector. Financial sector maybe.

Gamble
Technology sector, retail, stem-cell, R&D companies, etc.

FRX up 1.5% today, I have had 8% gains off them so far, pretty happy.

>>134887
XOM is my shit. Dad got me invested in about 2000, been riding the splits and dividends since then. Nothing too impressive, but enough to keep me aware of the market (and give me insight on stocks in general.)

>>139368
SCTY instead.

>>139411

>Rule of thumb, diversify.

There is no risk without profit. The purpose of diversification is to reduce risk. This comes at the expense of profit. There are less risky, less profitable investments you could make anyway, such as bonds.

Diversification defeats the purpose of the original investment.

UK here,

Currently holding Shire, Rio Tinto and Barclays. Most of my capital is in funds however

biotech ya'll, for real. I've had everything i can spare stashed in TKMR, SGMO, AMPE, CLDX, NLNK, SGEN, and ISIS (!!!), and FBIOX. Bought ISIS at $7, it's at $57.96. Bought SGEN at $17, it's $54.92. Feels bretty good.

>>139453
That's dumb. The loss of profit from diversifying is insignificant to the benefits. It's better to diversify rather than throwing all your money on a penny stock and hoping to become a millionaire. Why not just put all your money on roulette numbers?

>>139549

If a strategy of diverse investment across the board resulted in higher rate of return with lower risks than picking out stocks individually in industries you understand in companies than you have researched then so many people would be doing it that it would cease to be profitable.

>>139396
>butthurt long detected

A revenue miss last quarter means next quarter's estimates need to be revised down. And the next and the next. Learn to discounted cash flow before you go blaming algos and stops

>>139572
so should i buy more after this pullback or is it a red flag

help

>>139636
Fuck if I know. I don't mess with solar stocks. You should look up DCF.

>>139636
If you're begging for advice on stocks on 4chan I don't think you should be investing at all.

>>139714
/thread

btw did anyone see the K-Fine bday party today on Fast Money?

Has anyone looked into SZYM?

Risky, of course, but it seems like it has a real chance - the fact that they supplied a shitload of biofuel for some navy destroyer seems promising, since it means if the military decides it worked well, then they have a huge customer right there.

If you aren't buying Bank of America right now you must enjoy not being rich.

God damnit, I fucking hate Tesla. There is some serious insider trading going on with that company and I fucking REFUSE to take part in that shit. 14% rise to $252 today from $130 a few weeks ago.

No. Thanks.

It's a good pump and dump stock if you've got the capital because you're going to make massive amounts of money, but bedsides that I hate it.

Is now a good time to buy GM, what with this massive recall and impending fines?

>>129973
how can i into rich?

>tfw no lambo

>>140369
buy gold

>>140355

It's fucking stupid. I don't know who the hell would want to drive a glorified golf cart. It kind of defeats the purpose of having a car when you can only travel a 60 mile radius you would be better off building monorails everywhere.

>>140369
Suck dick for cash.