/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>13168933
(((No)))

no its not doomers have been saying it was going to crash back in 2011. They were so sure they only had a couple of years. Meanwhile they miossed the greatest bull run in history. dont listen to doomers.

>>13168953
>greatest bull run in history
But this is exactly why I'm afraid we will have a correction sooner than later. China-US trade war and EU breaking apart might even trigger something much bigger than Lehman Brothers.

>>13168933
>100 year bullrun
not quite yet, but it will biblical and the golden bear will just the boomers somethin wicked right when they want their pensions
it will last the rest of our lives probably

>>13169044
I need to clarify that I'm not talking about any sort of impending doom. When the chart is this big we are talking about the next 10-20 years maybe even some more. But the thing that scares me the most is that we will live to see it happen almost certainly.

>>13168933
sure looks like it.

>>13168933
Red pill: The economy never crashes, it is just different people getting rich

>>13169210
This is outright retarded, here's your (you).

no its fine just keep working and investing in stocks/etfs and your 401k and you'll be set.

>>13169236
Sad that there are unironically still low IQ normies that conflate the economy with just the strength of the dollar and American business. It truly is sad, but also funny because if you examined this logic, this would imply that when the economy crashed it would never recover. Think about it, when your car crashes does it then just fix itself over time? No, you have to take resources from something else (typically your bank account) to fix it. But if the economy crashed and now there is no money to invest, from where does the money to invest and regrow the economy from?

Think about it with your second brain cell to see if you crack this hard nut.

>>13168933
Collapse or implosion is more like it.

>>13169142
i'm gonna use btc as an example, the first bull cycle took 9 months, the bear cycle took 20 months
the dow jones has been in a bull cycle since 1932, making a very similar pattern to btc if you zoom all the way out. we have the top to go which is a fast up spike over a few years and then logic dictates we have about 200 years of bear to enjoy, starting within the next 10 years imo.

>>13169276
also consider all the empires in history that went to shit
maybe it's our turn

>>13169288
>unlabeled axis

>>13169288
Your statement is correct but I just want to point out that this chart is a crock of shit

>>13169266
The economy fucking crashes and you can't deny this fact without being outright stupid, like you did. You may argue crashes are great opportunities to take positions and that powerful people either consolidate or fade away with them which is true, but saying the economy never crashes isn't acceptable.

>>13169276
I wish you were right. Trust me, I really do.

>>13169294
Was about to point this out.

>>13169313
>The economy fucking crashes and you can't deny this fact without being outright stupid, like you did. You may argue crashes are great opportunities to take positions and that powerful people either consolidate or fade away with them which is true, but saying the economy never crashes isn't acceptable.

The American market crashes. The dollar crashes. But the economy never crashes. The economy is the wealth and resources of a nation. What you call a "crash" is just a displacement of this wealth.

>>13169327
It's ok to be dumb but derailing my thread is not. You're simply clueless, go read a book and lurk more fucks sake.

>>13169344
SAD. Think again about my analogy with the car. May help you out.

>>13168933
how do i profit off this?

>>13169358
Why can't you just fuck off? You're plain wrong because you have no fucking clue how the economy works. Your analogy with the car just proves you're a complete ignorant on the subject.

>>13169364
Accumulate non perishable resources, avoid fiat at all cost.

>>13169370
Or it implies that I know so much that you can't even see my perspective. See, for me you are as wrong to my eyes as I am to yours.

It's really a game of who is the giant and who is the ant here. I think you are the ant.

>>13169294
>>13169308
>>13169313
it's just a simple version of this you niggers

>>13169364
I agree mostly with >>13169374 this but also make sure you have a substantial amount of liquid assets so that you can buy buy buy when the bottom drops out.

Look at a recession/depression as everything going on sale. I was in high school and too young to take advantage of the last one but I won't sit idly by this time.

>Is the world economy heading to a crash?

There will be a massive asset correction. Will there be a crash? Depends on what your definition of "crash" is.

China, Russia, India and most developing countries that haven't anchored themselves to globo homo will recover nicely. They will use the times of struggle to go to war and conquer other countries. China will start expanding to south east Asia, Russia will start taking eastern europe shitholes, and India will start some shit with Pakistan.

Western Europe, Canada, and the United states will become second world countries. See the problem with terms like "crash," "recession," and "depression" only imply asset recovery. When the United States becomes a brown second world slum and these mcmansions get subsidized to somalis there will be no recovery lol. The country will just be a broke shithole. That's why the idea of buying up a bunch of shit after it corrects is retarded, you won't see the same type of gain, who tf are you gonna sell to for more money? Achmed, Juan, Tyrone?

Welcome to the Brazil of North America

As for Western Europe and Canada they're also fucked and gonna be brown second world shitholes.

Asset prices in these places will never recover, they'll just now more closely represent the current prices in Brazil.

Think 1 USD = 1 Mexican Peso. That's how bad it is gonna get.

>>13169534
>That's why the idea of buying up a bunch of shit after it corrects is retarded, you won't see the same type of gain, who tf are you gonna sell to for more money? Achmed, Juan, Tyrone?

This is a very interesting point, I've never seen it put like this... And it's so profound, I don't even know what to say.

What do you reckon we do, anon?

>>13169044
>just the boomers somethin wicked right when they want their pensions
You realize most of the boomers have already retired? I'm one of the last of the boomers and I can retire in less than 5 years

>>13169562
Be around the least amount of diversity as possible. Preferably in rural areas, more importantly than any bullshit investment know how to grow your own FOOD.

Corn, Basedbeans, Crops. These are 10 times more important than retarded metals. wtf does your body need to survive lol. Food and Water. Not fucking gold lol. The floods in the midwest have me more scared than the current state of the markets.

If you live in an area and have the land I suggest starting your own garden. Times will get tough and you'll need to rely on yourself to get through the thick of it. That is what people have done since the dawn of time and that is what people will be forced to do as government resources become razor thin.

>>13168933
>what is quantitative easing.

>>13169236
He’s right though, us silverchads will be mega whales when your fiat/crypto/stocks/bonds all drop to zero

>>13169609
>I can retire in less than 5 years
exactly
unsustainable burden
>According to the Census Bureau, by 2030, when “all baby boomers will be older than age 65,” 1 in 5 U.S. residents will be of retirement age.

>>13169534
>>13169646
based

>>13168933
Household/non-profit wealth to income ratio.
>Spike during tech bubble
>Spike during housing bubble
>Spike now.

>>13168933
As long as the fractional reserve banking system exists, yes.

>>13168933
this is the total market cap to GDP ratio. At the peak of the tech bubble, it reached 148. (The record high) Before the dump happened in late 2018, it reached 146.

>>13169752
I think we'll pop up to 155-160 then drop down to 100

>>13168933
This is the Shiller P/E ratio. Tech Bubble: 43 Now: 30
When the p/e goes over 30 - which it did in sept. 2018 before the dump and now - it means the market as a whole is overvalued.

>>13168933
(((No)))

>>13168933
no, it will go up forever

>>13169770
rn we're juicing everything up on credit. which is somewhat understandable because interest rates are low entice. however, this time instead of just consumers swiping credit cards, we have corporations taking on alot of debt, while yield-starved investors take shittier and shittier covenants and ratings. Bonds rated A today would have gotten a BBB rating 15 years ago.
http://www.oecd.org/corporate/Corporate-Bond-Markets-in-a-Time-of-Unconventional-Monetary-Policy.pdf
>read page 16

>>13169770
>>13168933
Meanwhile, banks are taking shitty corporate loans, and throwing them into CLO's like they did with mortgages and CDO's in '08.

BULLFLAG

Buy mofos!!

>>13168933
double top

>>13169861
Based. It's finally happening

>>13168993
Who gives a fuck, even if it crashes shit will be back up in 12-36 months, just chill, keep buying, and enjoy the ride. Whatever you do don't be one of those bitches who just sits on the sidelines for years waiting for the perfect time to jump in.

>>13168933
God, I hope so. It would be bullish as fuck for Bitcoin. Alts might die tho.

>>13169998
Oh yeah, pic related why any "crash" will look like a blip 20 years from now.

>>13169288
phoenicians came after the sea peoples. DEBUNKED.

>>13169534
You can dump bags on Chang and Shlomo
Every White civilization's and every White individual's survival is dependent on creativity (leadership of the entire human civ) and ability to outjew the jew.
Jews are our eternal shit test.

I swear to God if the U.S. removed the short sale restriction rule it implemented after 2008, the markets would collapse within a year if not sooner. They're totally fake, rigged bullshit totally geared to the upside. Markets aren't reflective of reality anymore. If things get bad the U.S. will just make it functionally illegal to sell stocks at all after buying them. It's all fake and it's not even a well kept secret.

>>13169669
The currency of the internet will be better than you PM PHAGGOTS

see you faggots in 2030 at 10k s&p500

>>13170061
>posts Moore's Law as rationale
>doesn't even know that Moore's Law is capping out and will no longer be applicable
thanks, just sold 100k.

>>13168933
... Crash it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgE0VHiYV6Q

>>13168933
Humanity is a ponzi, short that shit to the GROOOUND.

>>13168933
Yep

>>13170610
>>13170610
woah, a whole less than 4x increase. That same gain could not possibly be made anywhere else, in any shorter length of time, or with even more profit compounded on top of it. You guys really are bagholding faggots aren't you.

>>13169142

>Market will crash in next 20 years
Um yeah, you're bound to be right... eventually.

>>13169534
>Empires-Rise-Fall-Armstrong.jpg
Nice words. But it's all speculation wrapped up in typical doom pr0n.

No because the market is solid and not propped up on phony instruments. With that said, a lot of companies are slightly overvalued. A minor crash might be incoming unless the 2020 president does something

>>13168953
Until you have to. We are at the end of business cycle. We peaked already.

>>13169364
Avoid fiat

>>13171370
Disgusting

>>13171370
>1-2008
lets just ignore the 20k+ year old civilizations that were here before

>>13168953
Not to disagree, but it has just been a lot of inflation and debt driving the stock market higher since then. The stock market will never crash, but how will it fare against inflation?

>>13168933
Fuck. I hope so. My Ethers are going to SOAR when this current debt based monetary system crashs in to the dirt.

>>13168933
zoom out you fucking noob