/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>12995447
it will

>>12995447
Not printing more money

Tax the goods and services produced by automated work.

>>12995461
and where will the extra $1000 per month per head come from, huh?

>>12995462
disincentive automation, yeah, that will work just fine...

you amerifats are going to get what's coming to you

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>>12995476
tax the rich mentality that inevitably mutates into nationalisation, what could possibly go wrong?

As I've said before, you yanks won't know what hit you until it's too late

>>12995447
it will, but thats already happening anyway

>>12995447
if you make people better off and not increase productivity there will be inflation period

>>12995490
stfu kike, we're gonna TAKE the money and nobody can stop us

>>12995497
there will be an increased productivity though

>>12995505
>implying it wasn't kikes who invented the concept in the first place

the downfall will be glorious

And, oh the sweet sweet irony of yanks praising Marxist ideas...

>>12995490
There is literally nothing wrong with nationalism socialism

>>12995466
Half of it is already absorbed in current welfare. You don't get UBI on top of welfare. So you get 1k a month either cash (which everyone will chose) or some type of welfare assistance)

The rest will come a VAT tax, cut in military, sales tax receipts on people just spending that 1k back into the economy which will happen.

>>12995514
well that's what it hinges on, so far doesn't look like it. especially for the us.

Why does everyone hate on the jews? what did they do?

>>12995526
>national
>nation
>muttsville USA

>>12995543
Overexagerate the holocaust, the biggest proponents of usury, trying to outlaw free speech using the guise of antisemitism, the ones who blue up the building at 9/11, got us into the middle east because muh terrorism but real reason is for the greater Israel project, own our government through AIPAC and other groups, we send billions to a country more prosperous than us, and the Samson Option

Important to note that it's the Zionists that are the problem. Most Jews are honest good people but their leaders are real problem and indoctrinate their own people.

>>12995568
Fuck off kike, I have never even set foot on the American continent. Go D&C somewhere else.

>>12995543
Have you ever interacted with one? They are dicks to everyone, including other jews - but this is accepted in their culture.
Fiercely combative and self-serving - to the detriment of everyone around them.

yeah I have. he's kinda annoying but not that bad. pretty harmless

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>>12995585
>haha yes, da joos
biz is a Jewish board retard, go fuck off back to your containment board

>>12995447
it will result in a nominal amount of price increase for consumer goods but this will be outweighed by the UBI for a vast majority of citizens

>>12995626
>biz is a Jewish board
(Du)

>>12995655
It is you stupid faggot

It wont cause inflation, its free money!!!
Why not make it $2000
Why not make it $10000
Why dont we just make it $1000000 per second

>>12995528
It will be an amazon voucher

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>>12995447
Duh.
Inflation gets sucked into crypto and PMs.

>>12995447
>Roughly 260 Billion per month
>4 Trillion per yer
>Total federal spending was around 4 Trillion with the entirety of the government being around 7 trillion
It is literally not possible and pointless as well. Universal UBI only works in a post-scarcity society and with a dozen other stipulations. It will literally never work in America.

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>>12995757
I DIDNT READ A FUCKING WORD, BUT GO BACK TO POL. THIS THREAD IS TRASH AND YOU ARENT WELCOME HERE- UBI IS STUPID AND DOESNT WORK - THIS IS PURELY A [REDACTED] BOARD. KYS.

>SAGE GOES IN ALL FIELDS

>>12995808
>I DIDNT READ A FUCKING WORD
well that much is obvious

>>12995757
234m adults in US = $2.8T
Vast majority on welfare, and large portion on social security will opt in, cancelling existing plans = $1T of current budget redirected. VAT at half the european average (10%) = $800b. increased consumer spending/job creation/economic growth = $600b (roosevelt institute projection). Final $400b from savings across healthcare, incarceration, homelessness services etc. a 0.1% financial transaction tax, changes to capital gains/carried interest tax, carbon fee and dividend (50% towards UBI).
As far as I know he doesn't exactly plan to cut military spending substantially, but redirect 10% to rebuilding infrastructure.

>>12995490
>you yanks
kek of course it's a europeenie. he's scared because he knows that decrease in military spending = no subsidization of defense for his pissant country = no more delicious gibs for him when his shit government decides it needs to up defense spending.

>>12995528
>The rest will come a VAT tax

Burgers talking about VAT lmao

What about business VAT refunds? They're settled here in 21 days. Or are you just going to steal from everyone? VAT doesn't bring in nearly as much as you think. The UK has a 2.6T economy and VAT (20%) brings in 125bn gross.

Stop disappointing your parents,move out, get a job, and become an adult.

>>12995574
Trying to outlaw antisemetic speech (not free speech) under the guise of trying to avoid another mass slaughter/holocaust. (Wow so evil)

>>12996157
>The UK has a 2.6T economy and VAT (20%) brings in 125bn gross
This would translate to about $1 trillion in the US, but yang is proposing a 10% VAT... it will probably need to be at least 15% to meet his $800b target unless there's some other reason why it would raise more in the us than in the uk.

>>12996282
>>12996157
then again, germany raised 219b euros/3.478gdp with a 19% VAT (2016). That's 6.29% of gdp compared to uks 4.8%, at a 1% lower rate. That would raise $1.22T in the US.

>>12996282
>This would translate to about $1 trillion in the US, but yang is proposing a 10% VAT... it will probably need to be at least 15% to meet his $800b target unless there's some other reason why it would raise more in the us than in the uk.

Yeah and that's gross. Businesses get their VAT back from the government. VAT simply is a re-ordering of your Sales Tax - it's just that the government gets paid first, and the money can be reclaimed later if the product with VAT applied is not for consumer end use.

For example if you come on holiday here, everything you purchase is with 20% VAT, but when you leave you can reclaim it all as a tourist. It's the same throughout Europe. They send the money back to your bank account via wire transfer.

We're not even going to get in how prolific VAT fraud is either.

It's dumb incel NEETS that don't actually know how to run a business, that spend their life masturbating in their parent's house advocating a tax they've never experienced because they've never left their State let alone their country.

>>12996320
Germans will have higher amount of gross VAT sales because they sell big ticket industrial items. The UK economy is services based and not much VAT can be applied. For example look at the trillions in derivatives we trade, no VAT on that.

>>12995447
it wont because it will never happen

>>12995447
Welfare already exists. Tax brackets also exist. UBI wouldn't change the game at all. It's merely a cleaner ruleset for the same outcome.

>>12996337
>big ticket industrial items
In that case I would say Germany is more comparable to the US than your UK example. Bigger secondary industry than UK, not sure if it's as large as germanys proportionately.

>>12996372
It is and it isn't. When Germanany exports its goods abroad (outside the EEA) no VAT is payable, and it leaves VAT-free. Also a lot of big ticket items are for industrial use - which means the country where it paid the German VAT can reclaim it too. This is where cross border VAT fraud comes into play and it's a massive massive problem.

>>12996330
>how prolific VAT fraud is
VAT fraud costs the uk just over £1b a year, barely 1% of the revenue it generates... doesn't sound very "prolific".

>>12996126
You can't redirect social security as it is literally what they worked for. The rest of the shit you said is literally bullshit numbers you pulled out of your ass as how things will magically be fixed and money will be saved based on literally nothing.

Fucking hell people at least try.

>>12996351
But having UBI for everyone has the advantange of having way less bureaucracy since people don't have to apply for several different welfare gibs anymore that have to be managed for every state.

>>12996571
This is how yang plans to fund it, not my personal ideas...
If your social security check is less than $1000 a month, why would you not opt in to UBI? (most people do get more, but a significant amount get less).
Most people on welfare receive less than $1000 a month.
Also, explain how VAT tax revenue is bullshit even tho it's used in the rest of the developed world? Or a carbon fee and dividend, financial transaction tax?
The US spends twice per capita on healthcare compared to countries with universal healthcare (with better quality care also). But somehow you think the US can't save money here?

>>12995447

these threads are worse than the faggit linkers. I will actively vote against this douche for spamming 4chinz

>>12996637
Of course. I'm not sure whether it will save money though. Most people don't make full use of the law and miss out on registering for welfare they could get. With a fixed ubi they would all get their share automatically.
You save money on gibs gov workers who would get less from welfare/ubi than being employed but i'm unsure whether the missed out handouts don't save more money currently. Plenty of dumb honest fucks also work when they would get even more sitting on welfare. Basically the current system is potentially more profitable cause it exploits people better.

There's however of course another argument over saved manhours not wasted in this burocrazy hell that could be invested better coupled with the fact of how longterm increasingly more will end up on welfare and thus increase the cost of running the current system.

>>12995526
it's the same as any other -isms because it requires a merciful authority

>>12995505
>rich people hold a vast portion of the supply
>they rarely use most of it, which makes it, in practical terms, not part of the circulating supply
>socialists retards take this money away and redistribute to the people
>99% of this money is now circulating, because 99% of the people in this world are consumerism junkies and dont know what saving money
>the supply has, in practical terms, increased
understand now retard how it causes inflation?

this guy is getting funded by kikes to force these memes in the internet and the worst part is that there are neet that do it FOR FREE

>>12996190
>expelled by almost every nation throughout history
>genocided by the germans
>literally brainwash everyone in the western world from a very young age that nazi regime and holocaust = the greatest tragedy in human history
>after all of this, people still hate you at a scale so large that you have to pass anti semetic speech laws
really makes you think

>>12995447
It comes from a VAT, not printing

>>12995466
The Israel fund hopefully

>>12995505
Based and yang-pilled

>>12995726
If the money is gotten from a source other than an increase in the money supply, it won't cause inflation

>>12995447
Decentralize it!

https://coinmarketcap.com/de/currencies/decentralized-universal-basic-income/

>>12998123
>being this financially illiterate
not really surprised since we are in biz. people receive more money for the same amount of work and you think the prices arent going to increase to adjust demand / supply back to its equilibrium point? how fucking dense are you yangtards?

IMAGINE A WORLD WHERE PEOPLE CAN CHOOSE TO WORK WHEN THEY WANT.
IMAGINE BEING NEET IS ACCEPTED BY SOCIAL NORMS
IMAGINE BEING PART OF A SOCIETY OF FUTURE AUTONOMY
IMAGINE ALL YOUR CRYPTO LAUNCHING TO THE MOON BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN INVEST NOW
IMAGINE HAVING TENDIES DELIVERED TO YOU BY DRONES
IMAGINE NO MORE WARS SET UP BY JEWISH OVERLORDS
IMAGINE BEING A GAMER WITH A 2080ti

FUCKING IMAGINE!!

>>12998177
>What is circulating supply
Might as well try if you're going to be this pissed

>>12995447
deflation due to cost reduction from AI productivity. he's early, but good to get this meme out there to prepare people.

if im a butcher and i know everyone is getting $1000 more in addition to whatever income they may or may not have, you bet you're fucking ass i'm increasing the price on my meat. yang gang is accelerationism in disguise. nobody unironically believes the country is worth saving. memeing an outsider into political offices is just the new thing that teens do to bring joy to their mundane lives. it used to be getting milkshakes at diners or going to the movies, now its photoshopping neon colored hats onto cartoon frogs

stop making these threads you stupid CIA chink loving faggot

>>12995466
Automation tax, therefore no inflation.

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>>12995462
what if suddenly an epidemic arises? silent hill irl? :)
you won't even need a setup anymore to play real life vidya

If you rip out every other form of welfare but Medicare and Medicaid, it might work. But that won't happen.