/biz/ - Business & Finance

So what is up with:

>UGAZ
>ISIS
>ESC

>>128607
>Joke of the Day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDZ1Wrv5s8c#t=11m13s

I like my joke of the day better. I'll delete the thread I made

>>128620
Watching!

Any thoughts on ZHNE?

King Midas will be #1 in the end

>>128607
solar non leveraged etf up 3.6% off it's highs. How is this supposed to joke? Maybe you forgot the 'shorting' part? I dare ya.

all out UGAZ 31.06
>tfw solidifying lead

>>128625
I'm shorting DGAZ which is essentially buying UGAZ

>>128632
Sellout

>>128635
>mfw I should have held for 32
Ehhhhh
Im in 1st place. get fukt

>>128640
Do you make all of your own folders? Did you trip on a drawfag board or something?

>>128628
Bought out by google.

Fiber wire is their thing now, seeing as ZHNE isn't a huge company, their selling price will be low for a while.

>>128643
Im trying to get back into top 10. Its going to happen

>>128650
not even once

Welcome to the land of never short based on a Yahoo article

>>128661

>based on a Yahoo article

>>128645
>>128640
>folders
I meant photos

>G Asset Management

Confirmed for Ackman 2.0

>>128656
>Never short
Lol

>>128631
What did you think?

>>128665
>Listening to Yahoo articles
I just use their realtime updates and news, personal articles are Mcfucking stupid

>UGAZ shooting up
Nice

>>128646
>Bought out by google.
When did that happen?

>>128671

I just did it on a whim because they said some shit about a contract falling through

I thought I would make a quick thousand or two

Now I'll wait until it evens out

I shorted RIMM at ~9.40 and waited so long that it became BBRY and then it eventually made me a bit of cash

>>128659
I only a made of few of them. Praise the sun has been a meme for awhile, i was a small part of it. We tried to start a religion with it once.

I have been dreaming about the power parity of solar power since i was a little kid. About what it would be like and how it would change the world. i am so excited it is finally here.

>>128656
nigga you got over a hundred grand shake it off. Get back into a winning streak in the game before you trade again. You can make that back in like one hour.Never trust articles. Trust yourself.

>>128676
You asked for thoughts, my thoughts are that it will be bought out.
>>128678
That's more common economics than basing your investments on yahoo articles

>>128683

Yeah I fucked up on that one, I usually trade off of instincts instead

Last time I was in a stock market game was in grade school, and I won a free trip to some restaurant because I came in first place

The game had a 15 minute lag from the actual market, so I would just check a bunch of stocks at close then compare them to 15 minutes earlier, if it was a good bit higher I'd buy then sell at close

#thuglife

>>128683
Please tell me that you have at least played Dark Souls.

Lol, why is UGAZ dropping like a sack of shit..

>>128706

>Natural gas in the end of winter

>>128706
looks just like a correction back to the trend to me. Once it finds a low it will probably rise back up to the last high and consolidate.

But be warned i have been wrong every time on natural gas.

>>128670
It was alright. Maybe too tired to appreciate it.
>>128640
Guess who's mad.

>>128706

Shoulder season coming up.

Weather patterns in the west Pacific suggest no more cold waves.

>>128685
Ok, thanks. I'll probably buy a few shares on my real account.

ROLLERCOASTER

>>128635
>he said I was wrong for selling UGAZ on that push higher
The toppest of keks

>>128768
I bought DGAZ when you sold haha

Diversity check: How many holdings do you have?

25

>>128773
Sneaky sneaky

>>128776
2 right now. UGAZ and DGAZ. One short, one long.

>>128776
1

>Jew
>Promoting diversity

>>128776

are you promoting diversity, jew?

Anyone else thinks that moot reads some these daily threads? I request a 4chan IPO

>>128778
Literally the same position twice.
You dont understand how it works do you?
>>128776
0
I always go all in on a single trade and get out. Diversity is for squares. Check the rankings brah

>>128785
moot becomes an instant billionaire

>>128787
Does it matter? I'll make twice the money and do twice the work to get it.

>>128776
joke of the day right there
>>128783
>>128784

>>128793
Or you could just go all in UGAZ or all in short DGAZ, it would save on comissions goyim

>>128797
shorting ugaz is more likely to pay off long term but is much more risky and has less potential return. Buying ugaz long term is sure to bankrupt you but has more potential gains and less potential loss.

>>128797
inverse what I just said here
kek

MW GONNA BUY JOSB THEY WILL BOTH SPIKE SCREENCAP FOR WHEN I MAKE MILLIONS

>>128804
Cheapest clothing ever. Feels disgusting.

>>128783
>>128784
>>128795
KEK

There is nothing I hate more than "diversity".

Commence the greentexting.

Educated myself on Investopedia, do you think there's anything more I should read to dive into this Demo Trading?
Like, strategies or something like that. I'm not really informed on today's economical situation too, so other than speculating from graphs I don't really have clues.
Halps?

Wipe has a tiny peepee

>>128818
WHO TOLD YOU?!?!

>>128811
I thought the hivemind was funny

>>128818
upvoted

>>128776
22

11 long
11 short

I didn't mean for my long book to get so stretched out but I couldn't stand some of the volatility

I still have 15K in buying power left. going to use that to add to my long positions on the way up (buy high sell higher) and hope to use any winnings from my short positions to do the same.

>>128824
;)

>>128809
made three grand on JOSB after MW upped their deal. Should go from current price to th 60s range if a merge occurs.

>>128818
>#rekt

>>128833

Earnings soon?

>>128833
>buying solarshitty
>any year

>>128829
>sent ;)

>>128831
>#eRekt

>>128830
Still doesn't make their clothing any nicer...

>>128607
I got bored and ended up losing 14k, now Im back to where I started

How does training happen? IS it through the marketwatch group?

>>128846
>How does training happen?

Ask your mom. It's how you came to be.

>>128607
Why were the ID's instated

Was Wipe samefagging himself questions/compliments again?

He does that so often, I suspect he is actually mentally ill...

>>128813
all in on solar goy. I've already done your research for you all you need to do now is profit.

>>128852
Actually, in my "post your car thread" a lot of the samefags were the people trying to insult me. It was lulzy

>>128851
the op mentions training

>>128857
Do you mean TRADING?

>>128852
my speculation was it was because of crypto threads.

crypto holders are the worst kind of pump and dumpers.

>>128857
Should be "educate yourself". It's basically the Wikipedia of investing.

>>128776
36

>>128857
A free trainer will break into chat with you shortly and explain how to become rich, don't worry just keep refreshing

Buy GRPN they said

It's in the dip they said.

So what happens when I win? You'll know it's me in the game.

Jim C $119,993.85 43.68% $19,993.85

nice comeback whoever that is.

>>128861
that makes sense, Wipe seems to samefag from different devices/IPs anyway, so the ID wont be able to stop him unfortunately.

I havent been here in a few days, how are the coinfags taking the most recent decline in BTC? Any confirmed suicides yet or just lots of samefag false consensus making?

>mfw this market

>>128855
>bragging about cars

Cars are the biggest waste of money I have ever seen.

1. They break down
2. Require expensive insurance
3. Consume about 100 in fuel per month if you're lucky
4. They depreciate.

>>128885
>paying over 5 billions dollars for a coupon distributor
>ever in your life

whoops. not too late to short though.

>>128891
JIM CRAMER WHAT ARE YOU DOING

>>128865
buy fnma

>>128890
You can fuck hookers and snort coke all day for the rest of your life.

>>128887
>bragging about cars

Nobody was bragging, we were just showing what we drive. Plus a lot of deals have gone south because a potential business partner drove some shitty car.

>>128919
My nigga. Why not FNMAS though?

>Short NUGT

Opinions anyone?

>>128913
I really just want game and attention

>>128919
That's gone up so much already. I wanted to buy last week but I was too much of a bitch.

>>128928
Gold is probably topped
Why not long DUST?

What do you think of DRAM? Another pump is going on....

>>128928

Gold is in a strong uptrend.

Quiz time:
What is O doing?

>>128928
It's a guessing game. The "gold is going down to $600" people are just as uninformed as the "gold is going up to $2000" people.

>>128944
I think gold will go sub 1000 even for a breif moment

>>128944
What's Goldman Sachs' price target for gold?

>>128928
shorting nugt i not a bad idea. But why are you playing a sector that is controlled by big banks. you can;t know what will happen next. you are basically just gambling at this point. Unless you honestly believe / know gold is going down.

No longer in top 10

>>128956
You must be a cynical being

>>128940
You could do either. I just like shorting.

>>128936
Looks like its hit resistance.


Lol at Jim Cramer tearing up the charts

>>128944
>>128947
I was just asking for secondary opinions

>>128953
1150$

>>128952

I agree. One final shakeout of the weak longs (IT'S BEEN THREE YEARS WHY WON'T IT GO UP).

>>128964
theres always this to consider.

>>128958
No, I don't do it IRL so its fun to play with it.

>>128932
Why is this so fucked up?

>still not over 500
Jesus christ laddering this game is hard

>>128922
idk

>>128970

>muh safety haven

You know a person is a goldbug when they dismiss that chart.

>>128977
I love the massive victim complex goldbugs have.

DGAZ

>>128988

Every uptick in gold = "true price discovery"
every downtick in gold = market manipulation

every uptick in stocks = market manipulation
every downtick in stocks = "true price discovery"

>>128992
Been riding it all morning.

Feelsgood.tiff

>>128992

I think it's actually cumming.

>CME techie: listen to the nat gas servers, guys!

>>129002

whoops, algos caught us

>>128992
>>128997
>>129002
Fucking game didn't fill my order, and its down again...

>>128988
Bitcoinfags are the same

Jim C must be all in dgaz or some shit, he is falling fast

What does everyone think about buying TGT tomorrow after it goes down?

>>129057
would seem that way

>>128913
*fame. Also are any of the top 20 trip fags?

UGAZ is rising after knocking me from 100 to 462 lol

>>129072
I am at the top.

>>129057
>>129069
Agreed. He was all in DGAZ. Should have used limit stops like I did. Sold at 3.40$

>>129060
personally i try to stay away from physical location retailers. Especially those catering to the disappearing middle class.

Also thier earnings estimates are getting BTFO by analysits might want to figure out what that is about.

I say April nat gas rebounds to 4.9 (50% fib) by tomorrow afternoon.

>>129072
#8 and #6

>>129090
Not to mention Target had that credit card PR a month or so ago

>>129090
>all those expectations being slashed
Its a common trend with stocks these days. The correction is coming soon and no im not a perma-bear

>>129104
Correction has been long coming. What's your best position for it? Im thinking ride UVXY for a week or so like I did earlier this year

>>129112
UVXY is the highest beta way to do it. Also think FAZ will be good as Financials will be the ones getting buttrekt

>>129104
fslr has at least been steady... i wait for the day when 14$ per share eps returns... soon

>>129123
if financials get wrecked I am pulling out 1/2 my position. JPM doing fine today so not worried at all. keep a hair trigger on those FAZ calls. It could make you a millionaire.

>>129123

What degree of correction do you expect?

>spend half of money in short sell
>spend other half in long buy
Win guaranteed

>>129140
Fins are extremely vulnerable especially as the fed is now speaking about raising rates.
>>129138
Tough to say at this stage. but the SPX I think needs to pull into the mid 1600s at least

>>129151
>Fins are extremely vulnerable especially as the fed is now speaking about raising rates.
Already baked into equity prices.

>but the SPX I think needs to pull into the mid 1600s at least
muh feels

>>129161
The talk and the action are two seperate things

>>129151

Rising rates are good for financials. Well a steep yield curve is.

>>129167
Which we really havent seen yet

>>129209
>this

>not shorting Solar
loons

>>129216
Ive started shorting Target. ER is today?

>>129220
http://biz.yahoo.com/research/earncal/20140226.html

>>129220
Its in a support range, bad numbers can flush this turd hard however into low 50s

>>129209
suicide

>>129232
Hmm it was before market open? Darn I was hoping they would be worse

>>129237
Looks like it already happened

>>129243
Someone should make an account and do nothing but short solar. Would be lulzy if at the end of this he was +1 you

>>129250
Im talking 50-52, but the bulk of the move has happened

>>129265
Yeah, my fault for not researching that buy. I will sell my DGAZ position by EOD and open a short on NUGT.

inb4 getting BTFO

NQ up 5%, it's not too late.

Buy more while you still can, don't make me come back and say I told u so a month later

>>129265
be my guest, maybe you can two accounts in the bottom 10

What happened to russia?

>>129273
wot

>>129258
Hang on to your winnings scrublords

>>129269

Taper and North Dakota happened.

>>129280
oops meant to reply
>>129258

>rank 23

to the top!

>>129286
I was kidding..

No need to be a meany head

>>129298
He a neet. He has the time. He lacks the funds

>>129288
>he thinks he can challenge my throne

>>129273
>>129278
That's my aim

Damn, made decent bank on the MVIS short and BKS long. Up 1.1% which given the market today is not exceptional.

>>129301
I have a time difference advantage on my lonely little island

>>129291
everybodys h8n on my solars

i'm getting agitated

>>129314
I like the idea of solar.

>>129320
What island?? Wot

>Jumped back 17 places

99.

Shit sux

Is shorting better than buying?

>>129324
>pic related

>>129324
photovoltaics is better.

>>129329
Sometimes it is. Especially on overheating stocks.

>>129353
:^)

>>129298
Give me 3 weeks

>>129354
So pretty much after large jumps?

>>129359
Ur gun get fukt kid.
prepaer ur anus

>>129361

if it were that easy, wveryone would be rich

>>129301
I may be a neet but I know no bounds when it comes to gambling.

and free time.

>>129345
Makes me sad to think youre this far away

>>129368
What do you do all day? Isn't it depressing being neet? No gf? wife? future??

>>129366
Well the concept is similar right?

>>129370
C'est la vie

>>129365
my island is cooler than your island

>>129391
Is that the Philippines? Floating garbage heap.

WHY IS THE GAME DOWN

I NEED TO TRADE SHIT FUCK

>>129361
One also has to do their research. Some companies have the large jumps for great reasons. Example: a company produces better than expected profits and revenue.

What is the worst investment?

>>129407
>The Game

You just lost it

>>129391
Taiwan?
Shutup little china. We have vikings and whale meat

>>129383
I have plenty of waifus, and stock market is what keeps me awake in the morning.

>>129411
For example?
>>129419
XD le good one bro!

>>129416
Plenty of waifus? What does that even mean?

>>129424
Had to dust that one off before I used it

>>129418
Your parents investment in.... you

>>129418
Get on the pran train

>>129434
I was an accident

>>129424
I also have a different example of Blackberry stock rising as Ford has replaced Microsoft with Blackberry to run it's Sync mobile system. Microsoft won't be hurt by it, but a struggling Blackberry would see this as a cash infusion.

>>129418
When there is only one investment.

>>129452
Yeah I invested in black berry as well after reading that. How long do you think I should hold it?

>>129418
MVIS long...

>>129471
futures?

>>129460
I don't know... see tomorrow's futures for the right move.

Started my NUGT short after DGAZ stop hit

>>129462
I have 73,619 MVIS holdings

>>129516

>>129516
Long or short positions?

>>129537
Long, I've sold them all now, I feel like investing long in NUGT

>>129545
>Doing the opposite of what I do

Ur doin it rite kid

>>129545
newfag here, what's the difference between long and short?

>>129556
it's the opposite
search the therms at investopedia.com

>>129545
I think i am also biased to the long gold play just becasue it seems everyone hates it enough now to consolidate.

>>129556

look down, thats a short

>>129563
*terms

fuck.

>>129556
long = buy/hold

short = sell/short sell

>>129568
such banter

>>129580
Yeah that's what I thought it was
Thanks friend ;^)

>>129567
>tfw Gold just swung up

>>129584
I always refer to long as buying and short for short selling.

>just bought $80k worth of KO stocks
How fucked am I?
That flat line for almost a week got me all hot and bothered.
Up or down?

>>129652
I appreciate you help :)

>>129658
ya dun goofd kid

>that SPY collapse EOD
>tfw MW sold my TVIX at 6.96 even though I said sell at 7.00

ameritrade auto logs me out 1 min before trading ends... thanks ameritrade.

CLOSED.

>>129683
yfw fslr instant recovery afterhours

dis earnings gonna be good

>rank 14

"soon"

>>128607
How do you sell off your stocks I accidentally bought a shitload when I tried to sell them off.

>>129707
Good luck my solar fanboy friend
>>129711
huehue

>>129719
first place is heckling m... not sure if should sell or maybe he went long solar and is trying to secure his position

>>129729
>>129719
NUGT short has me up 1K so far

>>129683
>that SPY collapse EOD

What happened? Is the volume a bug or something?

>>129739
i dunno but fslr is freaking out and rallied up past 58.. somebody knows,

>>129729
My strategy is different than most. I have been scalping and daytrading the wholetime

>>129738
I really wish you would stop playing 3x etf's.. at least irl. I fear for your future. You could get lucky, or end your career in one disaster trade

>>129757
I barely use them IRL. Most of my money has been tied up in PCYC since it was 98$ a share.

I'm just toying with 3X etfs in /biz/

>>129754
And pwning everyone.

>>129765
weches doth get rekt

>>129754
Same here... but a bit less effective at it.

"
"According to a well-placed source, Washington is now preparing contingency plans to confiscate and nationalize IRAs and 401(k)s.” Larry Edelson
"

>>129855
What?

>>129873
I don't knowj just seen it posted on your site

>>129886
/econ/? I thought the site was down

>>129900
Up again

>>129855
>According to a well-placed source, Washington is now preparing contingency plans to confiscate and nationalize IRAs and 401(k)s.” Larry Edelson

>mite b cool

captcha: feutlys darkness

>>129905
Ah. I lurk now. I'm on Skype too

>>129914
Would really #rekd the market if it turns out to be true

>>129954
Could this really happen or is it just garbage?

>>130004
Anything could happen anon. Buy on rumor and sell on news. Information most likely came from ZeroHedge

>>130015
it's from November 18, 2013

http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/who-will-head-the-fed-it-doesnt-matter-56223

Made back all my losses and then some

Today was a good day

>>129914
Who is the source, or is this just more conspiracy nonsense

if you are not in the top 10 you can kill yourself

>>130864
>this

>>129765
>since it was 98$ a share.

sureeeeeeeeeeee haha damn you are a loser.

>>130875
what stocks did you play with today?

>>130884
>revealing my secrets
What is this a charity?
(ENDP, TVIX, UGAZ)

>>130907
i'm second, you go on my nerves.. just buy pran and give up please

>>130864
I started 2 days ago, can I get a pass?

>>130949
*2 trading days

>>130949
you are in

Jim C here, I was long DGAZ and short UGAZ since friday.

I shot up from 545th place 2nd to last to 1st at one point today (I was up 52% at like 2)

I opened a Roth IRA a few months ago.
So far I've only invested in to mutual funds. I've made like $30 which is kinda cool considering I'm pretty dumb about this.

I want to diversify my portfolio though. I picked mutual funds because of the dividend payments I guess.
What are some other things I should be investing in? There is just so much information to read over it's overwhelming.

I plan to open a traditional IRA once I've contributed ~$5000 to my Roth IRA this year.
Just got hired on with this company and they have nice 401k benefits, so I'll be doing that as well.

My current allocations.

>tfw you sold FMCC today and it kept rising like crazy

>>128620

>3mins, still no laugh.
Fuck you.

>>131940
Contribution limits for IRAs count toward all types of IRAs, so this year you would only be able to put in like $500 in a traditional IRA after that 5k in a Roth.

Your allocation to large cap is very small, so you might want to add to that with future contributions.

Put assets with interest or high dividends (like bonds) in your Roth IRA and 401k to avoid/delay paying taxes.

Don't fuss over minor monthly fluctuations like $30. It's likely your funds (and everyone else's) are going to lose quite a chunk once a correction hits within the next year or so, but that doesn't matter either in the long haul. Just hold on and try to contribute more than usual once the market goes down 15-20%+.

>>132216
I'm not 100% sure on the difference between the allocations. Is there a site that explains them properly?

I didn't realize it counts towards both IRAs. If that's the case, what kind of account would I need to open to keep building my portfolio?

Thanks for the help.

>>132242
Caps = how big a company is. The majority of the stock market is large caps, so having 10% large cap and 42% small/mid is a huge difference from the market. Maybe 50-50 large/small if you want to tilt toward small.

Just max out your Roth ($5500) and 401k ($17500) if you can, though if you're planning to retire much earlier than your 50s you may want to rethink completely maxing out a 401k. These limits can change yearly. If you make enough money that you're looking for more tax sheltering than $22500 of investments per year, you probably have enough to pay a financial adviser instead of asking random people on 4chan.

>>131980
>Fuck you.

So mean ( ;_;)

>>132348
>401k ($17500)
That's quite a large cap. I only recently got hired on, but once I am, I'll be making $52k a year. Or around 40k after taxes.

Should I max out my IRA, then just shove the rest of my savings in to the 401k?

These are my 401k benefits. Is this considered good? Fuck being an adult is difficult I have no idea what any of this even means.

>>132423
>That match is 50 cents for every dollar
Can someone tell me how the fuck this works.

If I put in $17,500 does that mean I basically have $26,250?

>>132423
>>132483
No, it's only up to 6% of your pay, but it's pretty much a 50% guaranteed return so make sure you definitely contribute at least 6% of your paycheck to the 401k. You might as well just shove in more in there to minimize your taxes.

Max out the Roth IRA too. You can't go too wrong if you start saving a lot early, which is the most important part. If somehow you still don't know anything in a decade or so, you can pay an adviser to figure out what to do with your loads of money.

>>129100
hmm

>>129243
w-what does that mean?

>>132524
>>132423
>tfw I have a 503b and a 403b, and max it out at 35000 a year.

>>134815
it means u should short radio

MY BODY IS READY

>>128607
>Praise the vse godz

>>135053

Always.

Will UGAZ rise above 29.50 today?

Well TSLA sure jumped since I checked yesterday. Thought the rise during normal trading hours was nice, but now it has jumped to around $232 in AH. Tempted to just sell on open before it sinks back down again because of buttmad shorts.

Have you prayed to Mercury, Hermes, and JP Morgan today?

>march nat gas

welp

>>135377

>>135377

>>135377

New Thread

>>129579
>>129563
Look at this faggot. He's got a lisp on the internet.

This is the perfect moment to sell TSLA and investing on GRPN, get your stocks wuickly, it's going back up