/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>12820804
He will wreck the economy which is ironically good for Bitcoin holders.

I think we should do literally whatever it takes for universal healthcare. Our country is so fucked and I’m tired of seeing my family suffer.

>>12820804
Free college is the dumbest shit ever. It's just going to lead to colleges jacking tuition through the roof so a bunch of retards can get "free" liberal arts degrees. Universal basic income is a better idea than free college this is coming from a libertarian. Bernie is a senile old faggot.

>>12820804

I would vote for him. Sat out the last 2 elections

>>12820827
>My lazy family is trying to live off the hard work of others. You need to pay our medical bills, because our bad life choices that is negatively affecting my health is YOUR fault.

Oh

>>12820804
His policies would unironically be great for the economy.

Also because he's Jewish he isn't forced to suck off Israel non-stop.

>>12820831
>It's just going to lead to colleges jacking tuition through the roof

Do you live in a cave? That's exactly what's been happening the last few decades

>>12820842
There are many expensive medical conditions which have nothing to do with bad life choices and are only bad luck. Bernie is right. In a rich first world country everyone should have access to health care.

>>12820842
I hope you get cancer and bankruptcy drives your children to a life of crime and ultimately suicide
Good day

>>12820804
based. the most fascinating burger politic of the last 40 years.

>>12820842

>t.underage

>>12820842
Hey retard, you're already paying for poor people's (unpaid) medical bills. The hospitals just pass their expenses onto everyone else.

>>12820857
Agree. Unfortunately, there are these things called niggers in this world, and they ruin everything.

He is an utter faggot - unironically a career politician with multiple millions attempting to stratify wealth even further.

based and redpilled candidate. we don't need to waste trillions of dollars on killing shitskins when we can just pay our doctors more to kill them in our own country.

>>12820804
Put there for the intelligent minority. The ones who are to clever for Trump or Hillary but still stupid enough to actually think their vote matters.

>>12820851
That's because of the existing federal grants and loans which are imposed by law you stupid faggot; do you think any bank would willingly give a retarded kid a $40,000 loan to go to a fucking abstract art college or something like that? Free college tuition is basically writing these same people a blank check at the taxpayer's expense.

Bernie is a gigantic retard who didn’t get a job till he was 40.

only young people want him. if he is gets the nomination many democrats will not side with him and choose Trump to continue, at least he kinda keeps the status quo

The USA's living standards, cost of healthcare, standards of education, level of gun crime, and total degeneracy are at arse swelteringly high levels for a country of their wealth.

The fear of muh socialism by Burgs is so disproportionate to the level that they are getting fucked over for protecting muh freedumbs. I just don't understand how America's mindset of jingoistic, obsessive self-belief and unquestioning hubris is so deeply entrenched that it is actually destroying their own lives in a way that must be pretty fucking obvious to all of them.

I guess if you're obsessed with saving face above all other values (see Donald Dumbass's tweets on climate change), you will never admit you're wrong, even if it means the population completely castrating themselves of every opportunity for entirely earned social programs.

The problem is literally just that fucking mindset. It's the attitude. But of course it would be like that for a nation of people who got there through saying "fuck this shit, I'm outta here" from whatever countries their settling ancestors came from. Being a stubborn jerk-wad that can never admit to being wrong has been naturally selected for through the establishment of the USA.

So basically every opportunity that is handed to the USA to have a better society gets tossed like a plate of food by an angry baby for basically the same dumb reason that an angry baby tosses their plate of food.

>>12820804
>He seems to be the only candidate who is actually genuine and not a phony

He owns 3 multi-million dollar houses, 2 of which are in gated communities. He sold out the democrat primaries when it was obvious that the DNC had fucked him over. He didn't fight it, he just went with it, because he was a puppet from the start.

>>12820827
>pays 20% in taxes but doesn't get healthcare
>pays 10% for healthcare
OMG PLEASE UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE SOON!
>fast foward
>pays 50% in taxes
>now has horrible state healthcare
OMG THANK YOU OBAMA!! FINALLY OUR DREAM HAS COME TRUE AND I AM ALSO SAVING MONEY BECAUSE I DONT HAVE TO PAY $$$ THANK YOU!!!

>>12820804
>genuine
I love how this retard's supporters can only conjure up this to defend him. Bernie has 3 $500,000+ homes, drives an Audi, has a shit relationship with his family, is an unironic communist, is a coward that gives his mic to insane she-boons, hates normal, white people by saying they owe something to non-whites, never had a real, paying job until he was 40, is a career politician/trust-fund baby, is less economically literate than your average /pol/tard, exacerbates false oppression-narratives, and hates religion. You are fucking stupid if you like this disingenuous piece of excrement. I'm not doing an effort-post, but I'm going to point out some retarded policies of his.
>Free college
Free useless degrees. I dare you to try and defend this horseshit.
>$15 minimum wage
This would put you at 90th percentile of the world in wealth. Unemployment would increase and the economy would suffer for a false sense of morality.
>Medicare for all
Hello, 50+% taxes for all middle-class!
>Taxing investing with 'LE SPECULATION' tax
He's literally anti-growth.

This old, flapping-mouthed, ugly lunatic needs to die already. Fuck Bernie Sanders and fuck his supporters.

>>12821032

all nigger and spic problems, they drag average statistics down, which is why looking at average statistics is pointless

white USA is in line with every other first world country, but we harbor an entire third world dumping ground within our borders

this is why we segregate ourselves from the niggers and spics and have our own private schools, private hospitals, and our own industries

nigger lovers like you will always be wrong, because you pretend that niggers and spics will suddenly start behaving and participating in society, if only we (do thing)

no, there is nothing we can do to make them into humans

you are an idiot for believing, and criminally incompetent for trying to take my money to make it happen

>>12820804
>Socialist who owns a second house while complaining about wasteful deodorant production is "not a phony"

>>12820851
Ya because any 18 year old can get a $100k loan no questions asked. Do you think having the government pay the university directly and removing all accountability from the student will fix the problem?

>>12820948
>I'm smart
I guarantee that you're not.

>>12821056
You know there are multiple countries who are more wealthy and happier then the US who have free basic healthcare, unemployment programs and University prices at the fraction of the US.

>free healthcare

We need to figure out why healthcare is so expensive here to begin with before we start talking about literally subsidizing the people that have made it so expensive.

>we are fat as fuck and everybody knows it
>we have one of the lower populations of physicians per capita in the developed world

Also, and this is a big one:

Americans literally fund medical innovation throughout the entire world, however Europe and many of our other supposed allies threaten to break our companies' (that spend roughly $2.7 billion dollars in the development of each successful drug due to FDA regulations) intellectual property unless they sell the drugs essentially at cost. The companies are then forced to recoup their losses by maximizing their prices on Americans specifically.

>>12821078
>this is why we segregate ourselves from the niggers and spics and have our own private schools, private hospitals, and our own industries

You don't segregate, and you can't segregate.

What you can do however is to engage in complete denial, which - surprise - you're currently doing.

Anyway continue hitting yourself in the face as a nation, and next time you need an ambulance enjoy your million dollar bill because the Shekelburg Insurance Co. invalidated your claim due to clause #4343535 that stops anybody with Down's Syndrome from claiming anything on their health insurance.

>>12821132
Yes, because they rely entirely on US military dominion and US medical innovation. They pretend they don't support the former while failing to meet their NATO obligations and they completely ignore the latter and then "laugh at us" like you're doing right now.

In fact, Europeans are actually even more fucked up than they realize, they pay as much in taxes or often much more for a handful of handouts. Americans may have to go into debt to pay their medical bills and it is sad, but Europeans live as if they're in debt their entire lives whether they go to school or have health problems or not.

>$15 minimum wage

There is a stronger geographic correlation between minimum wage and cost of living than there is between minimum wage and median wage. Think about it. If you force businesses to increase their pay rather than having it happen organically you're forcing these businesses to charge more for whatever goods or services they're offering or to go out of business.

>muh gorillionaires taking all of the money that should be going to Jamiraquai

People see the CEO of a company raking in $10,000,000 a year and become agitated that their employees aren't making that much but the kicker is there's 2 million employees and net profits are already at <10%, with employment costs being the lions share of the company's expenses. You get rid of the company's figurehead and often you're only putting a few dollars each in the rest of the employee's hands. It's basic division and even that's too much for some of these motherfuckers out there.

>>12821247
Things stay pretty segregated. I guess it depends where you live. I think most heat maps of cities show that people tend to want to be around similar looking people...similar cultures..etc.

>>12820804
Bernie belongs as speaker, not POTUS. He has no interest in foreign policy, so why the hell is he running for Commander In Chief?
/ourgirl/ is a seasoned combat veteran, who's seen the realities of our compulsive bloodbaths.

What does she mean for crypto? you may ask...
If we stop abusing foreign countries to force the petrodollar down the globes throat, we'll have to explore a more humane monetary policy. I am heavily invested in a more humane monetary policy than the petrodollar.

Will the country finally end his 2 party system and rally behind someone who isn't bat shit crazy in either direction? This is the only solution, before bad solutions start to happen.

>>12821247
>You don't segregate, and you can't segregate.

We can and we do. Niggers and spics self-segregate as well into their own communities. They do not mingle, because they hate each other.

They will not suddenly integrate with whites and become productive members of society. Not while retarded communists like you give them free shit for simply existing. They have zero incentive to do better, if they are rewarded for doing nothing.

I'm not worried about niggers and spics. They are a benign tumor. The actual cancer are self-hating, self-destructive imbeciles like you who are trying to destroy the core of the country that holds it together, which are white families and industries.

If it all falls down someday, it's not the niggers and the spics that go first. It's you, because the niggers and spics will eat you alive if you try to flee to them, and we will simply hang you if you try to stay around us. Tread carefully, niggerlover. You're on thin ice.

>>12820842
ITT: People who have never had to actually pay for hospital bills.
They suck ass.

Medicare for all is the only way forward that makes sense.

>>12821295
>gun grabbing leftist
she will ignite the right if she runs, on this issue alone
her history on the subject is public and indisputable

>>12821043
Another person who has never had to pay their own healthcare costs.

50k average salary is not paying 10% in healthcare costs, more like 25%.

>>12821350

I've had over $200,000 worth of medical procedures covered by insurance, over the years. It's your own stupid fault if you fall in the thin line between the "so useless the state pays for me" and "takes care of his own basic needs" areas.

>>12821361

wrong, idiot
maybe with a family of 8 and 2 nigger crack baby adoptions on the side

>>12820842

t. Lucky 16 year old kid who never had any health issues that have nothing to do with muh choices

>>12821350
You're right. Luckily I was born into a family with smart doctors, so I get the benefit of being a little more educated on general health, plus basically free services.

Of course I'm fucked if something major happens, but who isn't fucked if something major happens (besides super rich)

We tried medicare for all, it can't work in this country without destroying it.

His economics are becoming pretty mainstream. A lot of retarded boomers will try to fool you, but modern monetary theory is pretty rock solid.

>>12821119
In Switzerland it's free cause the gov is clever enough to know the only real ressource in Switzerland is an educated population. The Swiss are the highest educated people in the world. Uni costs you 1k usd per year. If you dont go to uni there are a lot of apprenticeships and other technical schools.

>>12820804
he got kicked out of a commune for being too lazy

>>12821295
You seem confused Anon about who is /ourgirl/.

Bernie ran before. Just like Hillary, nobody watches reruns besides silly old boomers living in the past.

We need real energy behind Bernies policies and someone #brave enough to try anything

Say hello to our next president, AOC.

By the way, I am voting for Bernie, because I already see the only way is down. His policies will destroy this nation the fastest the way I see it.

The sooner a war is ignited, the sooner the population can be thinned down of all the weak unhealthy people.

The fact that people support Bernie is evidence of the lack of economic education in our schools. Why is socialism taught in school but not capitalism?

In my experience those who support socialism and communism do so out of anger and ignorance.

>>12821401
Leo?

>be amerimutt
>pays relatively high taxes
>government manages to spend in a deficit
>actually spends alot on subsidizing healthcare
>doesn't get universal healthcare despite the massive spendings
>debt keeps ballooning up, noting that spending "more" is probably a dumb decision

How the fuck can anyone implement universal healthcare in the US then?!!

>>12821445
Cant unless we slow down military spending
We'll do that right away when we become a nation of FAGGOTS

>>12821333

Yeah it's a bit late coming out with all of the "niggerlover" shit considering that you've voluntarily filled your country with them.

If your shite healthcare system, education system and public infrastructure were somehow useful in stemming the growth of your most woeful degenerates then this would have happened by now, but in case you have not noticed, your country is a sinking ship of swelling demographic diarrhoea.

Let me break down your future paths for you as you seem awfully confused and trying especially hard to reassure yourself that you've not got a bad deal already:

Vote for Bernie:

* Better social programs
* Still a nation of mutts

Vote for Trump:

* Same old shit social programs
* Still a nation of mutts

There you go. I don't know why you're angry at me. I don't benefit either way. Luckily I don't have to live in a mutt country but it's your future, so you just go right ahead and be a big baby and throw your dinner on the floor if it makes you feel better.

>>12821352
It's up to the legislative and judicial branch to grab guns, not the executive. Obama tried and failed. All he had the power to do was drone and torture the fucking shit out of illiterate goat fuckers in countries he couldn't find on a map.
>>12821413
AOC doesn't care about foreign policy, so I don't know why she'd even want to be president. She's only interested in crafting legislation, so she should remain a legislator.

>>12820983
He's the NEET we need. You are unironically fucking retarded if you can't fathom someone being able to run scenarios in their own mind and extrapolating on the conveyed experiences of others to the tune of several lifetimes worth of accumulated experience. You probably think big data and machine learning are stupid too cause dem puters ain't got no hands to get dirty.

Jesus Christ this thread is a beautiful example how ads turned a 4chan board into a full blown reddit jerk off session. That a thread like this about this commie bumfuck would even get two or three supportive posts is an absolut disgrace!

>>12821247
>>12821032

This anon took the crown as the worst case of Dunning-Kruger I've read in months, holy fucking shit. Bloating up himself by fancy word
while following with "LE EBIC ANTI DRUMPFFFFFFFFFFFF SPEECH XDDD"
It is so funny because you want to talk like a real man with other real men but just sound like a spoiled brat who wants to be kewl for his gangsta ass hacker crew anonymous.

I'd honestly suggest you to commit suicide, dude

Any guy who supports socialist is so fucking low test and low iq it’s just better to shoot them than argue with them

Yes I’m talking to half this fucking thread. All the sanders cucks, the single payer healthcare cucks, You’re a bunch of domesticated brainlet pussies. Just fucking go out and graze in the pasture like the miles you are

Inb4 “hurr sure so you support the current system”. No faggots the current system we have is no capitalism nor is it free or Darwinian in any way.
It doesn’t matter crypto is going to make all your brainletism irrelevant anyway. Fucking faggots

>>12821127
I never claimed to be smart, just seems that Bernie attracts those types.

>>12820842
you need to be 18+ to post here

>>12821584
Hers the thing tho: they’re right the US is completely fucked up

But it’s befause we’re a socialist country. The peak of the United States, the free banking era, saw some of the greatest prosperity in our history.

Now we’re just a shittier version of cucked swedenistan

>>12821593
They will see how accepting 'normal' people really are to socialism soon. Like I said I predict things getting way more uncivil in the future. I'm only voting for Bernie to speed up this train that is already off the tracks.

>>12821056
>Hello, 50+% taxes for all middle-class!
this is pajeet tier FUD. even libertarian funded studies have shown that the overall american per capita expenditure on health care will decrease with m4a. there's literally no argument here.

>>12820804
>>12818531

WHYYYYYYY

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>>12821626
Look at you fucking retards
>omg I have to PAY MY money to have a service done to MY body
You kikes are literally communist trash.

Health insurance is not expensive and the ramifications / quality of health care with government control will be shit. You faggots want free (it's not free) government controlled health care? Go to the VA and die like that lab rats you are. If that doesn't work KYS

>>12821584

Praise Kek, brother! XD

>>12821584
>Jesus Christ this thread is a beautiful example how ads turned a 4chan board into a full blown reddit jerk off session. That a thread like this about this commie bumfuck would even get two or three supportive posts is an absolut disgrace!
might have something to do with his policies having >50% support and you guys being unable to substantively argue against any of them without bawwwing about "niggers"

>>12821755
You can leave the same way you came nigger

>>12820842
Based and redpilled

>>12821741
healthcare is expensive, the employer supplied health insurance model is retarded and study after study shows overall healthcare costs include per capita individual spending and public spending go down with m4a so idk what to tell you. you're objectively wrong. feel free to respond with some long rant about onions consumption and muh niggers but not even the cato institute has been able to provide a persuasive case against m4a.

>>12820866
Cringe and bluepilled

>>12821445
It can't happen. In Europe where people are far healthier to begin with it's an unsustainable smokescreen propped up by American military dominion, medical innovation as well as high costs and fees.

In America the idea isn't just unsustainable, it's laughable:

>60% of us obese
>we have one of the lower populations of doctors per capita in the developed world
>among these doctors 88% of them are specialists rather than general practitioners

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-health-care-resources-compare-countries/#item-patients-u-s-much-shorter-average-hospital-stays-patients-comparable-countries-hosh_vid

We don't have a powerful ally to flex on Russia and China for us militarily and we don't have anyone to develop novel pharmaceuticals for us like Europe does, and our population is grossly unhealthy.

Trump's international drug pricing index is a start, as is addressing regulations; in the 60s before the US single handedly took the reigns of medical innovation it cost closer to $400 million (adjusted for inflation) to create a new drug instead of the 2.7 billion it does now. I'm not sure what the way out is exactly, but subsidy isn't it.

>>12820804
Bernie is a retard. Bernie bros are cancer. He has 0 chance of getting the democrat nomination. They’ll for e him to register as a D if he wants in on the debates and the DNC money if he did win. He will never do that. He will take all these donations from college retards and waste it all. Keep fighting though, no matter what happens we have another 6 glorious years of Trump.

>>12821852
americans are obese due to 1) driving everywhere 2) horrible quality food driven by horrible food policy, which are both things leftists are in favor of reforming, in addition the costs of healthcare are driven down via preventative healthcare which americans dont practice and the state doesnt encourage because 1) state has very little skin in the game and 2) its more profitable overall for people to NOT practice preventative healthcare, get regular checkups etc

also the free shit troll is brainlet shit, literally no one thinks this shit is "free" people know what taxes are dude. this comes down to a maga dumbass argument about "our taxes should do nothing but buy overpriced military aircraft and fund israel" vs a leftist argument that "we should drastically cut needless defense spending and invest it in healthcare and infrastructure"

your argument suck ass and whats baffling is its clear even you know this ,which is why you have to address the extremely obvious counterpositions and counterexamples with "nuh uh, we're too fat already, the only possible option is to continue voting in neocons"

Voting for Tuesday in the primary, he would be my second choice.

T. Former TeaTard

>>12821755
Reddit is down the hall and to the left sir

Edit: thanks for the gold, kind stranger!

Fucking socialist fagfot fuck off

>>12821942
>He has 0 chance of getting the democrat nomination.
hes within a margin of error of voter preference with harris in ever poll of declared candidates, has dramatically a higher donation pool, and has base advantage since non-bros have their vote split between like 80 other dem candidates

>>12820804
either this is bait or you really need to go back to plebbit

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>>12821478
>walls of text
>reddit spacing
>lol drumpffff!!! orange man bad xdddd
Good god this place is becoming reddit.

>>12821977
I’m not refuting that, I think he polls high even with Biden and MObama in there. But for the democrat party, he will not. They changed the rules after then2016 election. He’ll have to run as an independent. And when it’s close to election time, I imagine all Dems happily slinging shit his way. I know he can raise money, But can he raise enough? Not just against trump, but bs 20-30 democrats too?

>>12821977
I’m not refuting that, I think he polls high even with Biden and MObama in there. But for the democrat party, he will not. They changed the rules after then2016 election. He’ll have to run as an independent. And when it’s close to election time, I imagine all Dems happily slinging shit his way. I know he can raise money, But can he raise enough? Not just against trump, but bs 20-30 democrats too?

>>12821644
Blackpilled faggot. If you'd actually do your homework then you'd now, that the political system resembles national socialism.

>>12821748
XDDDD HAV AN EBIC UPBOAT, FWIEND!!!111oneone *nuzzles your micro dick :3 *


>>12821755
>Talking about a collective ("you guys") on an anonymous image board
>thinking, that its good sign, that a lot of sheeple support his dream of an unachieveable utopia on the back of the middleclass (which is why they are sheeple)
>strawmanning, that previous counterpoints came up by other posters can be summarized by "bawwing about niggers"
>Putting "niggers" into quotations

Your father should have beaten you more....IF YOU HAD ONE, NEGRO :^)

>>12822043
>I know he can raise money, But can he raise enough? Not just against trump, but bs 20-30 democrats too?
literally yes, he started the race with more online donors than the entire potential democratic base combined, and that includes non-declared voters like beto: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/09/us/politics/2020-democrats-campaign-funding.html

really the only unknown here is how he would fare against biden, since he hasnt declared but he polls better than anyone. my personal guess is that these are all dumbass name recognition voters who would have their votes split during the debates, since the obama/biden/clintons of the world zero to offer voters at this point. but if its just bernie vs other candidates, yes he can very easily close the funding gap. and hes only really competing for warren votes

>>12820804
>genuine and not a phony
You faggots said the same shit last election, and it sounded just as dumb then as it does now.
>Hurr durr he's a populist and he promises to give me everything I want, that must mean he's genuine!
Literally babbys first politician

>>12822088
i think other posters counterpoints can be summarized as bawwing about niggers for sure. i mean the empirical argument against most of these policy positions is weak since there's a counterargument in every western european country with an even lower per capita GDP than the united states, which is why "you guys" (you are retarded if you cant decipher the rhetorical use of this phrase in context btw) resort to "national cohesion" and "ethnic homogeneity" arguments in polite company then go online to bawww about niggers.

>>12822089
the thing about a bernie funding race is it will just play into his narrative of the people vs the elite/mega donors/coroporatewelfare state. he's in a really good position. if he's raising a fuckton of money through small donations, him getting wildly outspent will just be another demonstration of how retarded the system is.
btw how do pol tard all right niggers feel about citzens united btw? not sure how the mentalgymnastics.zip for that one is supposed to look when you bootlick for the GOP

>>12820948
if it mattered, they wouldn’t let you do it

>>12821430
Ok this is epic. You’ve made the greatest case I’ve seen for voting for Bernie

I was gonna for mcafee or rand Paul but now I see that Bernie actually may be the best choice

>>12822088
Lol. I guarantee you you undersrand nothing about the federal reserve or central banking, and yet you have the audacity to tell me to do research. You’re a ducking brainlet.

The system that exists in the US today is something so fucked, so subtle, so manipulative and satanic that most couldn’t accurately diagnose the real problems if their lives depended on it.

You are one such person.

>>12822168
>that pic
#feels

Calling it right now: if Bernie's main opponent among the Dems is a woman, then Trump - barring impeachment - is getting 4 more years

>>12821584
>no argument

Bernie’s policies would obviously hurt the economy. Nevertheless, since most people don’t understand basic economics, he has a chance of being elected.

>>12822025
>still using 'orange man bad' as a pseudo rebuttal
never going to make it

Bernie will never be president. He never should have steeped down to personal level with Trump. The moral high ground will never win you an election

He is genuine because he is retarded & clueless.
That's not exactly a quality to look for.

>>12820804
So you guys are going to buy him a new beach how and audi R8 again?

>>12821741

fucking bait

but to rebuke, health insurance is incredibly expensive. it's yet ANOTHER cost-of-living tax unto the average citizen, that they simply cannot afford.

it's just like my aunt last week, she eats healthy and is active but out of nowhere, stroke. if her work did not supply healthcare it would have bankrupted her savings. it's an unexpected cost that can easily shoot into the tens of thousands, not to mention time off work/not being able to work at all because of it.

there's no excuse for it anymore. universal healthcare IS THE FUTURE, whether you like it or not. rather than fighting it, make it happen and do it right the first time.

free healthcare isn't free and would take drastically higher taxes. socialism blows.

>>12821043
>He sold out the democrat primaries when it was obvious that the DNC had fucked him over. He didn't fight it, he just went with it, because he was a puppet from the start.

But if he was a puppet from the start how could the DNC have fucked him over?

>>12820826
all his policies are straight from the golden age of capitalism, he's here to save capitalism from itself

>>12820842
>he'd rather see his tax money go down the drain
health = wealth
I'm okay with socialized medical benefits

>>12822661
The tax rate on high earners is the lowest it's been in decades. "Elites" got idiots like you hating "socialists" while they're laughing at how stupid you are.

>>12822661
no one thinks it is free. no one claims it is free. bernie directly states that you will pay more in taxes, and you will pay less overall. every study shows this. your IQ is in the single digits. you probably hold REQ.

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>>12821949
>getting butthurt over the free shit joke

Take your free autism meds; Medicare itself doesn't mean "free" by a long shot either as I'm sure you know.

>m4a bipartisan cost estimate: $3.2 trillion a year

That's double our current federal income taxes even with our astronomical defense spending. At $15 an hour someone would be going from paying about $160 a month to $320 in federal taxes alone-ignoring whatever their state rate is-and that's making the egregious assumption that costs stay where they're at in this arrangement rather than increasing rapidly vs the inflation rate as has already happened in both the heavily subsidized or otherwise meddled with healthcare, education and housing markets as it is.

>horrible quality food driven by horrible food policy

It's a socio-cultural thing that has nothing to do with policy, fatty boom-boom. There's not a god damn thing keeping people from choosing low calorie options in the U.S., even the worst offenders. Hedonism is the problem, not "quality". No one in my family is fat even though they eat like shit

In fact, Europeans are getting pretty damn fat on their raw organic free range fair trade soi bean casseroles they've been eating, too: http://www.euro.who.int/en/health-topics/noncommunicable-diseases/obesity/data-and-statistics ; maybe their $7 gasoline and 300% higher sales VAT just isn't enough.

>"our taxes should do nothing but buy overpriced military aircraft and fund israel" vs a leftist argument that "we should drastically cut needless defense spending and invest it in healthcare and infrastructure"

Nice appeal to /pol/thority but defense spending isn't needless in a world where China and Russia exist. If the EU would meet their NATO obligations at 2% gdp defense spending we could conceivably do the same and drop down from our current 3.5%, which would still only give us $250 billion or so to play with (less than a 10th of m4a alone's "projected" cost).

I have a doctorate in business administration. Sent here by pol. I get the libertarian essence of biz and your neetcoins. But Bernie would be bad for everyone, including you. Trump based his economic plan on Reagan economics. Rich get a lot richer but the poor get slightly richer. Bernie's policy would have the rich get poorer, then the poor stay flatlined. Eventually, it would cause a huge decline in the middle class and an increase in the lower class. It basically protects the 0.0001%. Trickle down bankruptcy.

For Bernie's policies to work, everyone needs to be on board. Socialism does not account for lazy minorities...

hopefully Sanders doesn't get elected and inequality in the US just gets worse. it will be fun watching the US collapse from civil unrest.

>>12820826
>ironically good

Remember /biz/ NO REFUNDS.

>>12822711
>m4a bipartisan cost estimate: $3.2 trillion a year
you are quoting the exact study i was referencing earlier. $3.2 trillion a year is less than the amount that is already being spent on healthcare, and will save us $2 trillion over the next 10 years. since you cited the study, i suspect you either 1) already know this, and this is bait to get me to waste energy replying, in which case good job or 2) you are such a braindead FunFair holder that you read this on /pol/ at some point and did no further research.

>>12821056
Delusional cuck
KYS

>>12821078
Remember one of your kids will marry a spic one day.
You will be rolling over your grave lustening to demon sounds for the rest of eternity

bump 4 aesthetics

>>12822715
Actually know, Bernie’s policies would make the middle class poorer, the poor slightly richer, and the rich yet better able to seek rents and therefore be richer

>>12822940
Back to the misc brah

>>12820804

He's very wealthy. 3 houses. Still a phony, just operates a little more under the radar. None of these people will give up their opulent lifestyles no matter their message, so stick to the devil you know.

>>12822908

lefties
>we aren't trying to genocide you, that's a nazi myth!
also lefties
>LOL YOUR GRANDKIDS ARE GUNNA BE BROWN! DEAL WITH IT!

When the day comes when your house of cards comes tumbling down, please don't act surprised and please don't cry. Face your future with grim acceptance, because you knew the danger of trying to wipe out a free an independent people. Your trial and execution will be quick, because whites aren't animals, unlike the vermin that you are trying to use to destroy us with.

Looks like Bernie learned some tricks from Hillary in regards to astroturfing. It is already clear this man is not controlling his own campaign. He was unironically the most dangerous candidate last election. If the guy stood behind his ideals, he'd be pushing for a voter centered & issue focused election cycle and working against partisanship. Instead you will see a watered down Maxine Waters that will pull some dumb stunt like smoke a joint with AOC in a NORML video in 3 months. HIS NAME WAS SETH RICH AND BERNIE BETRAYED HIS MEMORY. I believe the man thinks he's doing right, unlike many liberal leaders; but that means nothing long term. To all of the supporters here with the most moral of intentions, think about what it is you are doing here before you become what you hate. I wish you all long, happy, and prosperous lives anons

>>12820866

Lmao look at this seething faggot

>m4a cost projections see a 40% decline in salary for healthcare providers

dead on arrival

>>12821403
>it's free*
>University costs $1000 a year
>40% income tax rate with no brackets and probably no tax returns either

So it's free but if for example you make the average wage of 36,000~ francs a year you're paying 14,000 francs a year for the free stuff you got on in your young adulthood.

If nothing else at least you've proven this gent >>12822709 wrong when he says "no one thinks it's free".

>>12822709
>>12822760
>pay less overall

Yeah, we'll pay less overall, just like the no-questions-asked federal student loans programs beginning in 1965 made college students pay less overall and just like the original Medicaid program in 1966 made healthcare patients pay less overall and how both College and Healthcare both kept pace with inflation for the rest of time and everyone lived happily every after.

>>12822690
The corporate tax rate here was much higher than it was in "Communist" China until now, and higher than most other developed countries for many years as well.

>>12821403
>it's free*
>University costs $1000 a year
>40% income tax rate with no brackets and probably no tax returns either

So it's free but if for example you make the average wage of 36,000~ francs a year you're paying 14,000 francs a year for the free services you received in your young adulthood and the free services you will likely need later. Got it.

If nothing else at least you've proven this gent >>12822709 wrong when he says "no one thinks it's free".

>>12822709
>>12822760
>pay less overall

Yeah, we'll pay less overall, just like the no-questions-asked federal student loans programs beginning in 1965 made college students pay less overall and just like the original Medicaid program in 1966 made healthcare patients pay less overall and how both College and Healthcare both kept pace with inflation for the rest of time and everyone lived happily every after.

>>12820842
This is the shit that makes 'europoors' think America is a shit hellhole (It is).

How is life fun if only 10% can enjoy it and the rest are dying seething slaves that can't even visit a doctor?

>>12820842
That's not what he said at all.

>>12821741
>"Health care under government control will be shit"

Top 10 Healthcare services in the world are under gov control or at least gov insured and CHEAPER than your American bloated retarded system.

How much koolaid do you Americans drink. Anything taxed and you scream "MUH COMMIES". Its fucking appalling. And doesn't make RATIONAL sense.

>>12820804
>who is actually genuine and not a phony
>Socialism is great, all wealth should be equally spread......except mine, I get 3 mansions and tons of nice cars

>universal healthcare
>48% of the population is a net drain on the system
Pick one, or if you're American: elega uno.

>>12820804
Trump is the only one that loves and wants to preserve America. The rest want to radically change it.

>>12820804
>Jew
>genuine

>>12820847
>Also because he's Jewish he isn't forced to suck off Israel non-stop.

one of the dumbest things I've ever read on here. fucking shills

>>12823955
But America was literally founded on reforming the political establishment.

>bernie

>>12820804
cuck and Sellout

Sage and hide leftypol threads

Bernie won't solve anything, democratic socialism not social democracy. Kill all rich people and the idiots who defend them. You think 100 million was a big number? Once we are done with America you won't even recognize it

He absolutely has my vote