/biz/ - Business & Finance

i have 2 years experience and i still can't get a job

you're fucked m8

>>12736606
starting salary for ME in 2019 is literally like 35-40k. my dad made graduated college with his ME degree in the 80s and his first job paid 45k.

>>12736611
>>12736606
there must be something wrong with you guys then. it's not your degrees. its you.

>>12736606
>hurr durr i spent tens of thousands on tuition and i graduate in 2 months but im gonna drop out XD


if real degree > no degree in every situation, ur just gonna struggle even more without a degree

>>12736611
>>12736616
Should I just drop out now?

I have a PhD in CS, publications, talks at conferences, 1.5 yrs of work experience, and have been unemployed for almost a year

the jobs they’re talking about on TV are fast food jobs. Women and Pajeets absolutely wrecked the job market. Considering becoming a welder, dead srs

Im also a ME too, but i don't have time for internships, i need 3 semesters to finish it if all goes well, i was thinking on learning big data in the side so i can add it to my resume and basically try to get into that bubble by using my degree just as a certification that im not a retard

>>12736618
>it's not your degrees. its you.
Keep in mind it depends greatly on where you live.

For myself I live not to far from Pittsburgh. Accounting major. Jobs are hard to get here with limited experience and combine that with most jobs are hired by people you know.

I graduated in 2012 and just last year I managed to get a 40k accountant position thanks to knowing someone.

>>12736625
nah, just finish your degree up. there's a lot of jobs out there that still require a Bachelor's even if your particular field of study is completely irrelevant. speaking from first hand experience.

>>12736618
Engineering is trendy right now and the entire industry is being oversaturated with tons of new graduates exactly like OP. The bottom 90% of the graduating workforce is going to get fucked as the 10% at the top continue to work at below average wages. GG no re OP.

>>12736625
I've been in 2-3 interviews where I was interviewing for a lower position, and they asked me "do you have your degree?" "no" "oh if you did I could have hired you on as manager or supervisor, the degree is a company requirement"

you might not necessarily get a job in ME, but it can open doors for you for other job opportunities. not saying you're going to be making 6 figures, but it could be the difference between $9/hr and $18/hr

I’m gonna fucking kill myself. Why the fuck did I even go to college

>>12736606

I graduated spring 2018

I got a lame sorta job field job then I got laid off.

I'm still looking for a job and it's been 8 months.

Just except you're never going to get your dream job unless you were a 4.0gpa student.

>>12736739
I just want a job. I don’t even know what my dream job would be, I just want a job semi related to engineering.

>>12736618
If that's the case then why could every boomer (including female) get a job back then? Job market is clearly shit right now if you've got 100s of people applying for a Mcdonalds position. If we're talking engineering, it's probably thousands across the country for 1 position.

>>12736616
ME degrees these days is pretty much just learning how to play with SolidWorks. We have techs and ME doing the same job in our company. ME is such a meme.

>>12736749
Why, dude? Just become a neet. Come, join us

>>12736762
ME coursework is hard as fuck though, very intensive math, more so than any other undergraduate degree.

>>12736724
trust me anon, just finish up your degree. you're almost at the end. if you just started, i might tell you otherwise, but you're so close there is no reason for you to not finish.

>>12736799
Not harder than electrical, but obviously harder than civil. They're much less likely to use any of it though.

>>12736724
You should just finish anyway, they need fucking bachelors to work at Starbucks now. You wouldn't be doing yourself any favors by dropping out.

>>12736799
I should’ve just done an easier degree of a degree is all that’s required. I feel like such a retard, everyone around me told me engineering was an amazing degree, especially mech and electrical.

>>12736973
You can go join the military by OCS/get into ROTC since you are still in college possibl.
If you are in good shape and have a decent (>3.0GPA) you could fly planes man.

>>12736606
Sounds just like my high school friend. Went to a state uni for ME, graduated with nearly a 4.0 but made the mistake of never taking on any internships while there. Also had never worked a job in his life.

He spent a full year working in a lumber yard with me after school to acquire "job experience". Was submitting apps that entire time. Finally he landed a job doing motor assembly on a line for some robotics company in massachusetts. 13 bucks an hr or some shit. Kek.

enjoy

>>12737024
also this was 1.5 years ago and he's still there doing glorified assembly work

>>12737024
>grown adult
>$13/hr
honestly I'm amazed people haven't started dying over this yet

>>12737024
I’ve worked in a couple different factories. That’s my work experience. I’m so fucking fucked.

>>12737048
Modern man has fully internalized being a cuck. It's second nature now.

I work in public accounting. Recently passed my last section of the CPA exam.

>>12737056
oh wagie

>>12737133
I’ll likely be killing myself in the coming months. Oh well, some succeed some fail. I’ve got no future.

>>12736762
>We have techs and ME doing the same job in our company. ME is such a meme.
Oh hey, that's my workplace too.

>>12737201
start your own business, this is me: >>12736603

if you are seriously considering killing yourself, might as well just take out a 20k personal loan to start a business first. not like it matters if you take it to the grave.

Also a reminder to everyone that the reason ME got this way is because of FIRST robotics.

>>12737223
I don’t have the skills or drive or understand necessary to run a business.

>>12737255
then what did you think faggot? you only had to get a Bachelor's and that was it? it's not the 50s anymore. yeah it sucks you got screwed on your degree, but you do have options. or was your plan to always be a wageslave for the entirety of your life?

>>12737316
You're a retard. Anything that an ME can make requires at least a few million in initial capital. Creating physical products is extremely expensive. How about you fuck off and try thinking of some realistic advice?

>>12736606
I graduated with an ME degree last summer
Still don't have a job haha

All my friends have jobs though, but they all had internships.
I didn't though

Become a CPA.

>>12736606
>>12736616
Mechanical Engineering is a total meme. Most are just glorified mechanics and fuck around in CAD.

>>12737492
Are internships really that hard to get?

>>12736656
>Engineering
CERTAIN KINDS OF ENGINEERING. Not all.

>>12737024
>13 an hour with degree
holy fuck lmao
I make more than that at a warehouse with dropouts and people fresh out of prison wtf

>>12736799
>ME coursework is hard as fuck though, very intensive math, more so than any other undergraduate degree.
Keep telling yourself that while mechanically manipulating formulas with zero understanding.

>>12737602
Yes

>>12736973
>I should’ve just done an easier degree of a degree is all that’s required. I feel like such a retard, everyone around me told me engineering was an amazing degree, especially mech and electrical.
Most engineering is shit given the time put in and what you'll actually remember and use. CpE/EE is probably the top of the bunch though. CS BTFO of all of them. I don't care if it's a meme or it's not as demanding. Fuck it.

>>12737024
>Finally he landed a job doing motor assembly on a line for some robotics company in massachusetts. 13 bucks an hr or some shit. Kek.
Are ME majors absolute untermenschen? HAHAHA!

Honestly if you guys really want a job you just need to move to a place more remote or at least be ready to travel back n forth. I'm from Quebec and work on the railway.. not the most amazing job but the pay is insane. Get ready for no social life and fucked hours though

>>12737611

THIS ECONOMY IS FUCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>12736606
I've been there. You are lucky because you haven't done anything, so that means you can pass a background check for federal government.
https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/522460900
>>12736641
This. You need money to go where the jobs are.

>>12737217
Did I make the right decision going to cc to get a tech degree instead

>>12737718
I would argue yes. What you get for what you put in is much better than the value offered by a four year degree. You won't be rich, but you won't be cucking yourself either.

>>12737718
yes
so long as you make enough to live and can stomach the work.
how much does tech work pay anyway like 18-25?

>>12737718
Probably. If I would have to do it all over in 2002 I would have done computer science, HVAC, or nursing. That is knowing then what I know now. Tech is probably the best bet.

>>12736606
i got my bachelors in 2013 and only got calls from third party recruiters looking to fill shit positions. instead of going that route i decided to go to grad school. pissed away 5 years on a phd and now i'm in a shit job i can't stand where i'm learning jack shit.

engineering is an absolutely shit career choice, and mechanical engineering might possibly be the worst engineering major.

>>12737761
>>12737592
>>12737638
This pretty much seals it. I’m ending my life.

The worst part about all of this is the millions of delusional kids still pouring into ME thinking they'll make $250k starting, and when you try to talk some sense into them, they accuse you of being a fuckup and say that they'll do better than you. But absolutely worst of all is that I used to be one of those delsional kids who mocked the advice that was given to me.

>>12737602
fuck yes they are

>>12737602
internships are harder to get than real jobs. they are virtually purely given out based on connections. you won't accomplish anything in ~3 months so might as well give it to someone you know, or to someone who is vouched for by someone you know.

>>12737780
dude... just do drugs, escape depression, and become god

>>12737780
You're still young. You'll be fine if you GTFO from the STEM meme abd switch to something like business. The classes are piss-easy and it shouldn't add more than another year. With dual ME and business degrees you would be a very strong candidate.

just go to the casino with 10k and bet on black 7 times, better than wage slavery.

>>12737780
my biggest regret is actually not getting the bachelors, but going for the phd. whatever you do, and whatever retarded boomers tell you, don't double down by going for a grad degree unless you have an employer paying for it. by no means even spend a second consider going for a phd. it's the closest you can get to modern day slavery and it benefits you in no way.

with that said, i wish i went to OCS after the bachelors degree. military may not be amazing, but i'm certain it would have been better than the shit job i'm currently in. despite continuously applying elsewhere, i can't find another job.

>>12737780
LEARN TO CODE: https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/find-by-topic/#cat=engineering&subcat=computerscience

>>12736618

It's really not though. A lot of ppl are what's called "underemployed".

They have a solidworks training course on udemy to become certified for 11.99. Maybe give that a try.

>>12737834
No, don't fall for this meme too OP. You will not get hired unless you have a CS degree. I know 6 programming languages, have a great portfolio, and did undergrad CS research, but absolutely could not get hired for software positions as an ME.

Graduated in 2018 in chemistry from top school, no experience or research, no job only phone interviews(have only been looking for 3 months though), smoked weed for 6 months. I have to say I have been so depressed since I started looking but this thread made me feel better than I have in months, thanks alot brothers

>>12737201

Kinda sucks that a lot of men feel this way.

You're not alone.

>>12737868
>Graduated in 2018 in chemistry from top school
OUCH!

>>12737824
What did you get your B.S. in and what did you get your PhD in?

>>12737870
STEM uprising when?

>>12737201
considered this too when young. You just get used to the suck and accept that a normal life is not for you. It's nobody's fault it's just something that happens to a group of people. Someone has to be on the tail end of a bell curve.

>>12737884
What
I assumed it was a useful science

>>12737849
You can get a CS degree from WGU online. I don't think it's expensive. Opportunities abounding.

>>12737664
>Quebec
Tips stp? My friend with EE degree was making barely 40k in Val dor....35k on some 1 year railway gig in Montreal. I hear about people making mad money up north but exactly how/where????

>>12737893
both in mechanical engineering. the work i did in the phd (experimental chemical kinetics) is closer to chemical than mechanical engineering.

>>12737921
Personally I've been cobsidering Georgia Tech's online master's in CS. It's like $6k for the whole thing.

>>12737868
>>12737915
I'm seeing some chemisty jobs on indeed. They mostly seem like laboratory stuffs for food processing.

>>12736606
I went the opposite way, I entered the workforce. Now I'm 29, make 45K, with essentially 0 chance to increase that. I have 2 bosses, both in their 40s, who have been with the company for decades. Basically they aren't going anywhere. And of course all of my experience is at the station level, I don't have any actual business/finance experience, so it's not as if there's any use for me at my corporate office. It's just as shitty, the entire system is rigged to make you miserable despite your best efforts.

We're all fucked.
I'm fucked.
At least we have the honesty to admit it.
Normies are fucked too.
The difference is...
They don't admit it.
They are either too stupid or prideful.
Yes you'll never have what your parents had.
Yes survival will always be a struggle.

>>12737975
Lol. Fag.

>>12737974
there's multiple retards at my company that are at least in their 60s. instead of fucking off and making way for a new generation of engineers they go part time and still work full time hours. not that they do shit half the time, but they refuse to fuck off and let others start their careers.

>>12737963
Yeah and labs and academia are soulsucking. I’m going to become a cop for 50k a year and retirement by 50, fuck the world

>>12736641
Graduated in 2015 with a business degree. Currently make a little over minimum wage in an office. Job can easily be learned without ever having had a job before or degree.

>>12737992
Got a similar situation with an organizational change. All the people 2 years from retirement are applying for the new department with few openings. The situation is they can't get fired from their current positions, but it's possibly the last opportunity for the younger employees.
The eternal boomer strikes again.

>>12737992
and when they leave the company doesn't open a new position because they weren't doing anything anyway

>>12738000
>labs and academia are soulsucking
>I’m going to become a cop

>>12736606

Highest I ever earned was $32K

But I have a rich family so i'll be ok.

>>12738033
Maybe their saving for their children's imheritance.
Hard working boomers are commendable.
You'd probably do the same in their shoes.

>>12738053
Wake me up inside, at least my dad made 4 mill during dotcom and isn’t stingy at all

>>12738033
one of them is legally blind. he wears thick spectacles and still squints all the time. i've seen that dipshit asleep at his desk, and talking on the phone with someone that has an office which shares a wall with his.

>>12738075
They won't lose their current high paying jobs. The pay for the new positions isn't higher, but has a potential for a marginal bump. Time value of money makes that meaningless to their savings.

im gonna kill myself for sure, god damn fuck how do i become a neet if I'm a healthy young man in america. I'm fucking over it i don't care if i don't get pussy cause I'm a neet i wasn't getting it anyway.

>>12737915
It is, if you want to manufacture LSD.

>>12736606
Get a CNC certification.

My buddy did 6 months HVAC school and now makes $40/hr working as a maintenance engineer for a casino on the strip and it's not even a union property. I broke into the casino industry last year as a housekeeper making $19/hr. I spent $350 on a 2 week bartender course. I make $200-500 a night in tips, at a shitty bar off the strip. I know girls who waitress who have to claim $100/hr on their taxes.

>TFW I did ROTC
>TFW I only did a 6 year contract and in that contract I managed to squeeze out as much benefits, BAH, BAS, bonus pay as I can
>After the contract I had over 110k in the bank, good car, good benefits, no student loan debt, and EXTREMELY valuable job experience , experience if I didn't have I wouldn't have landed my sweet job I have right now.

Basically used my time in the Army and exaggerated everything, employers love it.

Consider rotc or ocs anons

I think I should just see a therapist. Thinking about this shit is making me suicidal. I guess I don’t know what the therapist can do for me. Life fucking sucks ass, it’s just now hitting me how important these years in college were and I was depressed during all of them and it’s going to cost me so much money and opportunities. I’m such a fucking loser.

>>12736641
Hello morgantownbro (?)

>>12738530
Dude cmon suicide memeing is one thing but you can’t be serious. You haven’t even graduated yet, for all you know you might run into one of your friends whose boomer dad is looking for wagecucks at his engineering company and boom you get hired right out of college.

If not, you just have to go to a major city and pick up an entry level engineer job somewhere, there are plenty of them despite what this board will have you believe, even if they are kinda hard to get.

Myself, I graduated in 17 in Electrical and got a job 6 months out of college. Quit 6 months into it to write smart contracts as a freelancer. That work has dried up completely and now I’m running up my credit cards as I live in shitnowhere, west Virginia but that’s the only reason I can’t get a job here. Otherwise I was looking at tons of jobs with boeing and shit in Pittsburgh, but the gf & I are planning on moving to colorado pretty soon because we hate the EC so for now I’m about to work at the local grocery store and drive for uber for a while to save up cash, before we sell pretty much everything we own and go stay with my cousin in CO until I can get a “real job” (engineering) there.

It’s not all bad. But, yes, I am definitely looking forward to the day the S&P fucking crashes to the ground and the boomers with their fucking stocks get fucked.

Worst case, just do the loan idea like other anon mentioned and stick it all in crypto. That’s a given anyway; if you can’t realize the potential of bitcoin and other cryptos then you weren’t going to make it anyway.

>>12738530
It gets better anon but you’re are going to have to stay alive to find out. Life goes in cycles. You are in a bear market of your life but eventually the bears have to turn into bulls if they want to make more money. Don’t let the bearfags make your capitulate at the bottom, stick it to them and ride it out. Because you’ll break all time highs baby.

>>12738766
The lows just make the highs seem higher by comparison. The added contrast can give you energy and motivation, if you don't let it break you.

>>12738719
I can’t imagine anyone is ever going to want me to work for them. It’s unfathomable to me.

>>12738766
>>12738790
I’ve never felt so miserable in my life. I can’t believe this is what my life has become, I never thought it would go like this.

>>12738530
ME is just a shit major. Honestly I got depressed while studying it too and went through something similar. Don't let a stupid fucking meme major ruin your entire life: change directions and escape this bullshit career.

>>12738766
>You are in a bear market of your life but eventually the bears have to turn into bulls if they want to make more money.
This. I started a business to get over that hump. I'm having trouble with marketing, but it'll run with a little bit of time.

>>12738820
Holy shit stop being such a pussy.

I would tell you to kill yourself but in this case...seriously. Just shut the fuck up.

Go lift some weights and feel better.

>>12738820
Oh and finish your degree or I’ll personally come to your house and spank you like a bad little boy.

>>12738844
*finish a degree

But it's in your best interest to leave ME behind.

>>12736606

Apply with the USPTO. Apply to local structural jobs. You have one of the most valuable degrees in a time when unemployment is at an all-time low. Have peers and reddit fags review your resume and get it done.

>t. Mechanical Engineer

>>12738820
>I’ve never felt so miserable in my life. I can’t believe this is what my life has become, I never thought it would go like this.
My exact thought process to the word when I am depressed/panic attacks over future solvency, exercise to the point of heavy sweat for at least 30 mins daily and stop drugs/alcohol; I did this, my future is still as bleak as ever but I am not tortured by these circuitous destructive thoughts

>when a dumb amerishit complains about not finding a job

you live in the biggest, wealthiest, most opportunity filled country in the world. Maybe try looking outside your backyard and move you fuck. Try living in Canada where literally every province is a low paying shithole with shit prospects.

>>12738865
>Maybe try looking outside your backyard and move you fuck.
You need money to move. Companies don't pay relocation costs unless they're Fortune 500.

>>12738860
>Apply to local structural jobs.
You need tons of certs and licenses for those.

>>12736606

dude apply at a finance firm. they'll pay you to get licensed and if you take it seriously you can get paid in finance instead of cucking around in the highly competitive low salary cap STEM environment in the US.

Always remember: the US doesn't deserve science; they don't pay for it.

>>12738874
And a job will pay you money. Take out a small loan or sell something if you need to fund the move.

Not taking a job somewhere because you cant afford to move is the most retarded concept ive ever heard of.

>>12738857

This is retarded. Everyone's studying comp sci, there will be a huge shortage of mechanical engineers within 5 years.

>>12738912
>Not taking a job somewhere because you cant afford to move is the most retarded concept ive ever heard of.
I agree with that. I was under the impression that you were saying that people should move BEFORE the job is acquired.
>That's even if we excuse the idea that one won't get phone calls for an interview from these companies.

>>12738873

Not entry level. I know several guys who've walked in green and were given the training. They started with some basic project management and training, and were up and running in 6 months. Go to a city where construction is booming.

>>12738922
Fuck no.

>>12737915

Chem major here. The research jobs have been shipped overseas. Plenty of lab tech jobs for your BS if you like making 12-15/hr. I lucked out and got a research position at a small company, capped out at 53k after 4 years w/o bonus, and lost my job after they sold the company. Couldn't find a job for a year as everyone is looking for the 'perfect fit,' which is what you specialize in once you start working.

Who knew there wasn't a plethora of 'emulsion specialist' positions? Product development is reserved for seniors scrapping with each other for what's left here. Ended up unemployed for a year and just got into finance. Making around 1.5x my initial salary in my first year with plenty of growth opportunities.

Seriously, if you're American, forget science, go into money. If Americans wanted STEM workers they'd pay for them.

>>12738937
I call bulshit. Unless you live in bumfuck Kentucky, those licenses are hard legal requirements for being a structural engineer. They don't hire entry level because when you fuck up, people die. All of the structural engineering positions that I've seen want 10 years experience *minimum*.

>>12738923
I graduated in 2017 and got my first job out of uni in a different city. Had two phone interviews and then an in person interview in a small satellite office they had nearby. Most of the people in my office are from other parts of the country. It's very common. Honestly if you have a professional degree like engineering its pretty much expected that you will have to move at some point.

>>12738992
>Honestly if you have a professional degree like engineering its pretty much expected that you will have to move at some point.
Well, I went to business school and started up my own thing. It's moving, but I have to get it roaring.

>>12738969
how exactly did you manage to break into finance?

>>12738969
How did you get into finance in late 20s?

>>12739009
>>12739027

I dressed up in my best formal wear, looked the manager in the eye, and gave him a firm hand shake.

>>12739009
>>12739027

In all seriousness I was referred by a friend of a friend. But they backed out last minute. I went to the interview anyways, presented them my chemistry resume and told them I was interested in transitioning my career.

Tried not to seem too desperate, as I was at the time. They told me my resume was impressive, asked why I was transitioning. Said I was looking for a better future for myself, that I didn't want a job but a career, saw myself moving towards financial analysis (only transferable skill), and closed with something along the lines of, "I know we're not speaking the same language but I'm a fast learner and I get things done."

Then they paid me to take the Series 7, Series 63, I'm now a licensed broker, and now they're paying me to take the CFA.

i havent even finished my law degree and I already have a job at a big law firm that would pay 4k a month if I worked 5 Days a week.
Ive had roughly 12 months of unrelated work experience and 13 weeks of internships at the time of my application.

>>12739119
Denbts level? After 8 years education that’s still a trade tier salary

>>12739130
Zero since I study for free in Germany.
4k doesnt seem that much but you have to keep in mind that I dont have my full law degree and I just work there part time to get experience and earn some money.
Also I have been studying for 5 yeas so far.

After the full degree theyll give you like 100k in the first year. If I work well now I will have a good chance at becoming a lawyer there since they already know me now.

>>12739119
>4k a month as a lawyer

fucking yikes

>>12739154
shhhh, he thinks he's bragging

Jews really hoodwinked you goys haha! Those jolly old Jews and their pranks!

>>12739106
good for you, but you still ultimately had to have a referral to get your foot in the door.

>>12738990

lol you're retarded. of course he can't immediately become a professional, state licensed engineer. there are entry level positions where you'll work for firms who design structures. Check CL job ads for fucks sake, it's the most common job there.

>>12738949

You'll see. These studies are based on trends, not reality. I've been in the field 10 years. Everyone I know works somewhere that's hiring mechanical guys, whether that's in design, automation, manufacturing, quality, etc...

>>12736606
Learn to code op.

Like 50% of engineers end up with CS jobs.

>>12739240

Yeah, I put in 'referred by an employee' but never filled out the name. I mentioned that they backed out in my story because I thought I was fucked walking into that.

Thing to note is these guys like buying low. They pick up departments of people on the cheap when a firm goes under.. it's worth taking a shot if you want to try. I personally like finance alot. Wish I wouldve majored in it.

>getting a Business Intelligence degree
>thought it would be a meme but getting 80k starting in the midwest from multiple companies
suck it nerds

>>12739152
Haha 100k yeah right! As a first year lawyer in Germany you’d be happy to make 45k the first year. Even at the top firms.
T. Lawfag from nl

heres a tip. apply for jobs in other states. fuck in other countries even. im actually sick of recruiters telling me about jobs in bum fuck nowhere. if you’re suicidal just take the risk. cheap rent probaby too.

if i can get a comfy job with an absolute meme degree with ZERO internship experience (graphic design) and you can't with a STEM degree, you're doing something seriously wrong.

>>12737619
This is the key. You can't just go through a sequence of courses, collecting As and then come out the other end a competent worker. You have to understand your coursework from a foundational level and know how to derive things yourself.

Relying on formulas or resting on the laurels that you somehow don't need to understand how things work because you already passed the class doesn't get you a job and is useless because you didn't engage enough to make it worth while.

>>12737903
>STEM uprising when?
Why don't you fags just hack in to the systems or build killer robots?

Oh that's right, because you're pencil necked nerds.

>>12740199
The CNC machines, metalic parts and the electronic components are going to cost millions, retard.

I’m in a business college right now and have the opportunity to chose between Accounting, Finance, or Supply Chain Management? I really liked my Intro to Finance class but I know Finance requires a lot of (((networking))) and super long hours. My school also has one of the best SCM programs in the country. What program should I take?

>>12737373
you don't HAVE to go into business as an ME, do something else.

>>12736606
I get where you are coming from OP but just stick it out and graduate. You are already basically done with it. No use in wasting it.

I graduated with an Aerospace Engineering degree back in May 2018 and I didn't have a job until October of that year. No internship or Co-Op experience either. I got extremely lucky and was forwarded an email by my professor about a possible position with the Air Force so I directly emailed the hiring manager my resume and skipped the USA jobs bs. A few days later I get a call and they do a direct hire on me. Took forever to get me onboard with them though.

Its stressful but you never know what the future holds.

>got my art degree, no prospects, suicidal
>found a job as a growth hacker and learned it after getting employed, got a job because they liked me
>making 12-18k€/month in a marketing firm, going to become a senior GH this year

>>12736606
by the time I graduated at 21 I had almost 3 years of practical experience on my CV. Landed a job in my last month of studies and started work one weekend after my last exam. They didn't even care if I passed after that, degrees are a fucking meme, literally no graduate in any field ever is ready to work in the real world, so you're useless without training. Not everyone has the time or money to train you, hence it seems like everyone wants 2-3 years experience out of grads, and it's impossible. In reality they only want someone who did something, anything at all, to show that they're not an NPC flowing through the river like dead wood and that they can actually start working a couple of weeks after starting the job and getting comfy.


let me explain the heartbreaking reality behind what's happening: you are an NPC. You think you're not, biz tells you you're not, but you just pissed away a huge chunk of your life doing exactly, and nothing more, than what people around you told you. It's not too late to salvage it, you just have to come to terms with reality, you will most likely need another year to get a serious job. You better start working today, on things that you can add to your resume. If nothing comes to mind you're a lost cause, being crafty in any situation not a skill you learn, or at least, not in days, weeks or months.

>>12741544
>telling people to focus on getting a career
>calling others an NPC

>>12737991
>READING IS FOR FAGGOTS

~t. American

>>12737975
Nice poem, Anon.

>>12741572
the reality is unless you're born into money you need to build a foundation somehow regardless. You can't make money with no money.


getting a well paid grad job and saving until your early late 20s is probably the best way to do it, but what would a broke neet know about that?

>>12741590
>>12741544
great post making shit up

>hurr look at me im so great i had 3 years relevant experience before i graduated
>youre worthless if someone has to train you

you had to start somewhere, you're just a delusional fucking retard who misattributes lucky opportunities for your own skill and ability. how could you have 3 years experience BEFORE you graduated lol. fucking lying retard.

Make reasonable lies on your resume

>>12739396

https://www.talentrocket.de/arbeitgeberfinder/profil/baker-mckenzie-partnerschaft-von-rechtsanwaelten-wirtschaftspruefern-und-steuerberatern-mbb/gehalt

Look at similar law big firms and youll see that such a salary is nothing special.

>>12741623
>how could you have 3 years experience
um, by working on personal projects whilst studying maybe? Also freelancing of course


see this is what I mean, you have a limited vision, it's understandable, nobody taught you better
oh, and also, I only applied to two positions, and got equal offers from both, so I picked the one that didn't need commuting. That's not luck, that's the difference between 95% of students and the ones that actually make an effort to stand out.
>>12741651
no need to lie, but do use the best possible wording for everything.

>>12741673
you're literally just fucking stupid. dunning kruger.

>>12739885
This. Top advice right here. Think about it. How many of your classes really challenged you? How many of your teachers really made you feel like you were learning? 30% maybe? And what of the rest. Power Point slides, multiple choice question tests. Is this what you want to spend your 4+ years of self directed education on? 70% bullshit that you can just blow through? If you do that, all you'll end up becoming is another incompetent normalfag grad, primed to work for $18/hr for some Chad whose rich father got him a director job right out of school, 55 hours a week for the rest of your life.

My biggest regret as a 30 year old CS boomer grad was not taking more time to learn on my own in school, do open source work with people online (Lainanons), etc.. I came out of school with a 3.98/4.0 major and realized it meant nothing. I realized the large majority of what I learned was incredibly dated and the actual skills required for work, I was totally lacking in. Now I'm 32 years old, with $56 in my bank account, desperately struggling to find work, and borrowing money from various family members while I apply for jobs and wake up feeling like death every morning. I can't even cope with weed anymore, as I have to be ready for employment drug tests, even though the interviews, and thus the tests, never come.

Everything you learn in school is a lie, OP. It's all just a con to get you to take out massive debt. They promise you work and riches, and you believe them when you're in school, but once you graduate, the work never comes. You just become a NEET and progressively slide further and further down the doomer whole until your whole youth has vanished and you're 100% un-employable.

>>12741684
compelling argument mein neger, you are truly a gifted individual

>>12741703
This is pretty good advice desu


don't be sad boomer friend, you should move outside of the US. It might seem horrific for you to take a massive pay cut (you'll cherish like 70k in the UK) but then when you realize your complete monthly maintenance is under 1k and you have free healthcare, you relax a bit. I've now met multiple muricans who've moved in the recent years because of the horribly decreasing quality of life and increase in stress. Here you work 40 hours a week and that's it, pay your bills, get to save a good chunk of your paycheck every month and live comfy.

>>12736606
>>12736611
>>12736631
>>12736635
>>12736739
>>12736749
>>12737024
>>12737492
>>12737761
>>12737791
>>12737868
>>12737975
>>12737992
>>12738033
>>12738969
Recruiter here. All I hear is whining and a privileged attitude that you are owed a job after graduation. Well I hate to break it to you but NO ONE OWES YOU A JOB. You got to work for it. Even if it means working a shit job you hate for 10 years, then so be it. Life isn't easy. The reason we don't hire unemployed people is because 9/10 they are just lazy NEETs with no drive or initiative. We want someone with drive, a go getter, and a continuous thirst for self-improvement. Someone who does not give up no matter the odds. If you're not prepared to do this then you're going to have a hard time getting any job.

>>12742171
>we're looking for the best of slaves, perfectly content with their position of subordinance and willingness to sacrifice themselves in the name of quality profits and return of investment for our investors!

>>12742171

>>12742171
>we don't hire unemployed people

I hear that a lot form anons here and this is just a huge lie.

To
>>12736606
and all other engineers here with US citizenship,
try applying at the USPTO -- they accept most applicants whose applications make it to the review step.

If you aren't accepted, your application probably just was outside of the review pool, so you should just re-apply and try to apply very early in the next application window period. Application periods happen every few months.

https://www.uspto.gov/jobs/join-us

Best of luck, guys!

>>12736606
ME-CHAD in here
No problems on my end
Try to catch up, loser.

>>12736631
same here, CS PhD and the sheer number of pajeets coming out of IITs is insane. They will probably deplete all CS jobs within the next 5-10 years. Worst part is, they are all qualified but do the work for peanuts because the exchange rate in India makes it worthwhile.

>>12737611
It's not a joke. Tons of jobs require a degree and multiple years experience and only want to pay like 16 an hour. You'd be better off as a god damned waiter so long as you didn't have the college debt.
I really want to kill myself. I'm so fucking fucked there's just no hope, I'd be better off as a fresh high school grad with nothing on my shoulders either way than with this fucking degree and the debt mountain.
Even jobs that need 10 years experience pay at very most 60k. It will never get better. Unironically being a part time waiter or a criminal would be more beneficial.

>>12736724
Dude look for drafting jobs, then design, then get an engineering title, like design engineer then you'll have experience and the title to get the job you want.

>>12742992
>he fell for the student loans meme

>>12742992
Waiter here making 50k, 0 loan

>>12743184
>a waiter makes more than someone with a degree
I should shoot my parents for convincing me to go to college and take out massive loans for it. What a world. brb kms

>>12736606
>No internship or relevant job experience. There’s no fucking way I’m gonna get an engineering job without ever having done any engineering work. I’m such a fucking retard

What's stopping you from doing a side project related to potential jobs that your also interested in?
If your interested in rockets get into model rocketry, build a rocket engine in your shed. Google how to do it. Set up a blog and write about your progress. Setup a github account to put your code on, etc, etc.

Most HR people and recruiters in general are retards but if your resume gets in front of anybody with half a brain and you've got something like the above for them to check out them you've done more then 90% of applicants for any job.

>>12743301

We bought high, friend. 50% of college degrees are a worse deal than just going to a trade school for a year.

If you bartended full time in a mid sized American city you'd clear $50k/year easy. Some of the luckier ones are looking more at $100k.

>>12736606
Lol, have you got any idea how desperate they are for technical people in a lot of places?
Don't worry about it and fucking get your degree.

>>12736606
see ya in the soup lines proto bourgie

>>12741544
Lol dude, you have no idea what an NPC is. It was really a mistake to turn the concept of philosophical zombie into a meme because retards like you keep misusing it.
>hur dur me very unique and go getter
>me no npc

>>12743434

>NPC means what I want it to so that I won't be considered an NPC!!!

also

>being a go getter is more NPC-tier than being a directionless bootlicking neet lord tendie wrangler

Seems legit

>>12737492
You probably need to take a manufacturing related job to get some experience. Just call it manufacturing engineer in your resume

>>12743339

Have fun getting a good paying bartending job after you're 30.

>>12743549

That isn't even a thing. Plenty of 40 year old bartenders around my area. Not every bar is a college place

Age discrimination exists in many industries.

>tfw 80k a year
>tfw major in the humanities

You laughed. You all laughed.

Should I just enter a trade instead of pursuing an engineering degree? I was originally planning to go to community for 2 years and then transfer into a 4 year for EE/ME, but I've heard too many horror stories on this place about finding employment. I'm considering becoming an elevator mechanic at this point, but I barely know anything about the trade or anyone working in it. Anybody work in the field or in trades in general? What was your experience training and finding employment?

For context, I'm 18 in the SF Bay Area.

>>12743549
This is autism

>>12743336
You literally do not know what you're talking about. It's amazing how the tone of this thread changes with the time of day. I guess right now the people who actually work as engineers are busy at their jobs, so we get a bunch of dumbasses posting instead.

>>12743666
>I guess right now the people who actually work as engineers are busy at their jobs, so we get a bunch of dumbasses posting instead.
It's the same problem that happened with the /sci/ engineering general. Well, during the summer months when it's not students posting 24/7

>>12743616

I'm a software engineer. This is a tricky question. Are you smart, and do you enjoy creative work, can you handle math well? Engineers are still in demand and always will be. Community for 2 years and transfer is very cost effective for what you want to do, I made the mistake of going to a state school for 4.5 years. Very fun time and don't regret it but the bill is sizeable where I didn't need to do that.

If you apply yourself, develop your personality, you'll be perfectly fine once you graduate. The horror stories are mostly from fuckheads with poor GPAs, no social skills, or wherewithal, or a combination of those factors. Even my dumber friends in Mech E have found gainful work by just showing up.

BUT, there is a market opportunity in trades right now imo. Boomers are retiring from them in droves, and the next generation has bought the "everyone needs to go to college" line in full. Everyone goes to college now, it's a saturated environment, so a degree itself isn't worth much, more of the type of degree. And there are too little tradesmen, with the same demand.

A smart, enterprising, and diligent guy going into a trade could make SERIOUS bank if he does his time then transfers over to his own business right now, with a fraction of the educational expenses. Don't disregard the potential of being an electrician or plumber, they are always necessary and the supply of them continues to wane, especially good ones. Going back I would see no shame in making a roadmap for myself in becoming an electrician or something to that effect. But EE/ME are still in good demand as well.

>>12736606
Graduate this summer? If you're already this deep into the system, you might as well get that degree.

21 no job no degree just a GED I’m borderline starving homeless this thread is fucking scary.

Also really motivating let’s hope I survive this year seriously wish me GL no idea what to do.

former wagie here

I fell for the programming meme

have 2 years experience, can't find another job

now I'm SOL, employment gap on my resume is growing.

going to just start my own business. our generation has been completely fucked. you can't even count on your area of expertise being a viable career path 5 years from when you start it, shit is changing so fast for the worse.

>>12743751
offshore oil rig. Pay is good, room, food and laundry taken cared of. Normies dont do it because you're on a platform for months away from friends and family but it seems comfy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA09MSOUXKc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3nEW1It4Ss
Contact some oil rig

>>12743823
you can't "just get hired on an oil rig" you have no clue what you're talking about

t. has worked in oil

>>12743731
Thanks for the detailed reply anon. I'll look into some engineering schools and ask some graduates I know about their experience to paint a fuller picture. Trades seem attractive at the moment due to the fact you get paid while you you train and you don't rack up any college debt. I'd like to help my parents pay back their mortgage if I can.

>>12742992
The job market is a collusion of the remaining boomers to use the available jobs as a safety net.
If boomer gets fired in this declining economy he will have a chance to go somewhere else.
Jobs are for them, not for any newfag graduates. Those can slave for free in internships.

>tfw studying pharmaceuticals in a place with a booming pharmaceutical industry thanks to Brexit + climate
>have a grant for college, get €265 a month + my €3000 college yearly fees paid by the government cause family have that income bracket
>from my course I got an internship for 8 months that’s paying me €480 a week for only 35 hours of work
>I’m only in my 3rd year since we go internships as part of the course
>tfw also working a job selling laptops/tablets/TVs 30 hours a week and get €1300 a month already

Feel sorry for you Americans

>>12737611
>>12737048

Americans laugh at wages that are above minimum wage in the UK, I hate living here so much

Wtf is a job u noobs

>>12743996
cost of living is relative you dumbfuck

>>12736618
they're defeatists, not the type of guy you want working with you on a project

I'll reiterate, my literal brainlet friend (got like a 22 on the ACT busting his ass) went to a low tier state school and got an ME degree, got one job, got fired from that for being obstinate, and got ANOTHER job in the past 3 years. Anyone can do it if you apply yourself. Those that aren't making it are lying on their face and won't discuss their laziness or autism.

>>12744226
>got fired from that for being obstinate
This shit. Man. It's not enough whether you can do the work or not, you have to cuck yourself and lick the boss's shoes. You watch old shows and movies and the guys hang around the office talking shit, insulting each other, carrying around brass balls, and they got shit done and were applauded over results. Now it's a giant shittest to see how obedient the little doggies can be and who cleans the floor off with their tongue the best. Walk on eggshells 24/7, god forbid someone thinks your tone was rude or for even one moment you didn't hold a cocaine level cheerfulness.
Pretty sure my past job fired me for looking miserable when I was in extreme physical pain and could barely speak for two weeks. No explanations asked, of course, no excuses. I wanted to literally fucking kill myself I was in so much pain, but I didn't eagerly enough hold smallchat with my shit for brains coworkers and was being kind of sulky and quiet, so it's the axe regardless that I was the best performer in the department (even after spending 2 hours a day doing dick all).
Wish I could fucking sue them.

> Masters degree in Engineering
> Unemployed live with mom.
> Spends time masturbating and doing Udacity, Edx and Coursera for fun.

Where does this leave me?

Where do you guys live that you earn 40k as an engineer ? I'm doing bitch tier data analysis for 70k yearly, don't even need a college degree

Am I making a mistake wanting to quit my tradie job to get into IT? I'm sick of relying on physical labor for a paycheck, want a goddamn desk job

>>12744845
where do you live?

>>12744947
yes

>>12744947

What trade, and what's your wage/area?

>>12744947
Start your own business paying people what you do now and handle getting contracts from others to do so. IT is saturated and employers´ main goal now is to race towards getting cheaper labor to decrease expenses and increase profit. Think about it...anyone with half a brain can google their way to understanding how to do pretty much anything on a computer and they will do so if it means they get to get paid while sipping coffee for 7 hours a day; especially women.

Or just ignore this post and fomo into what everyone has been busy attempting to fomo into for the past decade...

>>12745095
I work in oil & gas, West Texas, about $120k, 29 y.o., it’s absolute hell

Just want a job that doesn’t break my back and the option to work remotely (at least partially if not fully)

IT seems to satisfy that requirement but the more i look into it the more it seems it’s all bullshit. I’m a white male with a B.S. so probably the bottom of the barrel in terms of corporate appeal

>>12745237
no one will hire you unless you know someone else. at best you might score a helpdesk position for $12/hr. it will take you literally 5+ years to make a livable wage. might as well just become a grocery store manager.

>mfw I charge people $140 for 45 mins of asking them about their feelings

>>12745253
Yeah that’s what’s giving me major anxiety about it. Networking (nepotism) is everything and currently I have zero IT connections except for my ex’s dad who is a project manager for a large international financial services company. He’s what really piqued my interest in the field, makes close to $200k working from home, mega cozy life

Guess I’ll just apply to be a fucking UPS driver fml

>>12745289
he probably makes that 200k because he got into the industry years ago when it was still good. now it's saturated and everyone and their grandma wants to do IT or CS.

>>12745237

Solid money though. Alternatively, consider stashing away as much as possible in broad stock indices for the next 5-10 years and look at early retirement or semi-retirement.

Unless you're planning on getting a real CS degree you're probably looking at IT jobs on the lower end around 50-60k to start in most places other than San Fran so it'd be a significant bump down for a while.

>>12745321
>50-60k

kek no one is going to pay some blue collar worker with zero previous expderience 60k, wtf world are you living in. he'll get $12-$15/hr to be a NOC or helpdesk, and likely stay in that position for 5-10 years.

>>12745332

Maybe I'm too optimistic. Idk, I wasn't suggesting it.

>>12745300
Yeah that’s essentially it. Guy was an alcoholic truck driver living with his in laws and did some basic night school “IT degree” and started that way. My logic was that if a literal neanderthal can do it, then I can as well...but that was 10 years ago and it’s becoming apparent things have changed

He said if he were to do it over right now he’d go for cyber security/digital forensics, in researching them it appears you have to be expert level at all things networking and THEN specialize in the niche specific tools & methods...finding it difficult to push myself into learning when I keep hearing that IT jobs are a meme :/

>>12745332
Yeah I’ve read so many stories about the hell that is helpdeskn purgatory. In a perfect world I would leverage my current experience (field engineer in charge of a small crew) and get into the PM side of things...but it just seems that unless my goddamn uncle is the CTO I would get laughed out of the interview

>>12736973
>He fell for the engineering prestige meme
>>12736990
This could be a path OP. Or you could reach out to local companies asking for any possibility of internships. You are guaranteed to get one if:
1) You dont act like an autist and present yourself as personable
2) Act like you are interested and learn how to interview well
3)Actually get off your ass and reach out to companies

Graduated with a degree in law in 2016 havr been unemployed ever since

Ive done multiple interships and have 2 years experience but no one will higher with <4 years.

Fuck boomers they killed everything. I shouldve just became an electrician in <3 years and start up my own company soon after. Instead i sank 8 years into a meme degree that fucked me. And im in a shit ton of debt.

DONT GO TO COLLEGE ITS A FUCKING MEME, GO INTO TRADES!!!!!

luckily i still have 300 btc from early day mining and throw ins, if this shit doesnt go to 100k in <4 years im fucking hanging myself

>>12738922
>This is retarded. Everyone's studying comp sci, there will be a huge shortage of mechanical engineers within 5 years.
HAHA!!! OH NO NO NO!!!

>>12745412
you just don't have any skills anon, you need to make a portfolio to show employers you're worth hiring :^)

w-what about crypto? i thought we all had this to lean back on when wagecuckery is shit.

>>12745503
/biz/ is shit, they only know how to do 5-6 things that are already saturated beyond belief

>crypto
>stocks
>dropshipping
>kneepads
>real estate

in other words, nothing you can't learn about anywhere else

>>12743616
Just learn to code, mein nigger. Go to CC for 2 years and then transfer. EE/ME is a fuckin' meme.

>>12745503
Boomers are trying to kill crypto too

>>12745542
you and everyone else you google kike shill

>>12745592
Lmao.

>>12745412
300btc is super comfy don't be so ungrateful
Law is a complete meme, anyone with half brain and good looks can do it.
It's a token job for less competent jews.

>>12742171

ME Degrees are regarded as a token of intelligence throughout mediums. You have a great chance at getting a job in the business world.

>>12743135
Why wouldn't you take out 0% government backed money?

>decide to get useful uni degree
>realise I'm a massive fucking retard and I'm going to fail

>>12745859
Adderall my friend, adderall

Discrimination is merely a consequence of low demand. If employers really needed people they would hire them. If demand is low you have to compete for the available positions. How much are you willing to sacrfice to win? Maybe it isn't worth it. The economy exists to service consumers. We build airplanes because people buy airplane tickets. Walmart isn't a glamourous place to work but they are a massive company with lots of paying customers. If you want to make money go where the consumers are.

>>12739885
except the people that don't understand shit and get As through cheating have the easiest time getting a job because they have a well established network.

>>12742623
they pay absolute shit and are located in one of the highest cost of living areas in the country. you're better taking a $20/hour job in the middle of nowhere. at least then you won't have to live in nigger infested DC.

>>12743927
University of Limerick?

>>12736606
walk into a prospective place with intent and demand a job they will have no choice if you move on a 14. move on a 14 and ye' shall prosper in all things.

>>12746893
Not even the jobs on the front page are in DC. 54k isn't bad for a desperate person

>>12744226
>got one job, got fired from that for being obstinate
that's impressive. one of my co-workers tends to not show up to work until about 1pm, sometimes he will even eat lunch after showing up, and tends to leave around 4pm. if he shows up in the morning then he'll disappear around lunchtime for at least 2 hours. management is aware of it and he still hasn't been reprimanded for it or fired.

Fell for the ME meme. Took a job beneath me in bumblefuck nowhere for a year. Jumped ship to a better job, better location. Pay isn't worth the stress of it. On the plus side some days I get to dick around on CAD all day.

>>12742171
>i work a shitty recruiter job because i was in the same situation as most of the people in this thread, but i think I'm better than they are because i settled for a slave job.
Good goy.

>>12746999
let's not split hairs. alexandria, VA is DC.

>>12737223
>Start a business.
Hope you don't mean a brick and mortar business when we're on the verge of a retail collapse. Online businesses aren't much better either. Everything worth starting within the means of an average person is already oversaturated.

>>12736631

Same feel.

I have a masters degree and now I hang drywall. Dead serious.

>>12736724

Boomers need to retire and enjoy their golf outings.

Make sure you pay that loan. 7% ticking away.

imagine if women stayed at home all the jobs we could have

>>12737800
yeah well you go ahead

No degree. Worked in IT for 20 years. Decent enough living. Be persistent. Keep bugging the shit out of people until you get employed. Just applying online isn't enough to get work.

>>12748270
And what are your options besides applying online? Try walking in to a company and “talking to someone” and you won’t get past the front desk.

The only way you get a job these days is either grinding out hundreds of online applications, knowing someone/nepotism, or having an impressive enough resume that they can’t ignore you

If any of you guys live at home and can risk taking a job that may not work out, go into sales. Try to find one that is in the same realm of the degree you studied.

>>12736606
I was you one year ago OP. Had an ME degree but no internships and no connections. I'd recommend trying to apply for internships on top of regular entry level positions. I got an internship half a year after graduating and a few months after that got a job at a large defense company that I probably wouldn't have gotten without the internship experience.
Had to apply for over 1000 job positions to get both jobs though, so it's still a huge grind to get anything nowadays as an entry level.

>>12748987
What was your starting pay?

>>12749043
68k

>>12749066
oh cool

>>12738766
>It gets better
This is the biggest fucking lie ever. I hope you hit yourself on the head and become a vegetable.
>t. 31yo

>>12747237
I got a masters as well class of 2014. EE stuck in IT purgatory $75k. Never worked as an engineer,never will. What a waste.

>>12748683
Doesn't work, you'll just be the weird guy who people don't want to talk to.

>>12748987
defense companies and government positions are literally the only jobs i've never gotten any sort of positive response from.

>>12749331
i wish i were you. i almost was, but they took someone internally over me and the guy fucking left within a month or so.

just learn to code you absolutely filthy fucking NIGGER KIKES it's not that FUCKING hard, just pick up a FUCKING book NIGGER and download FREE software and code along with the book, and post SOME GAY SHIT on github, make up a personal website, GET HIRED EZ EZ EZ
EZ YOU FAT RETARDED NIGGERS fucking SLUT WHORES

>>12736606
I worked a minimum wage night-shift QC job for 4 months after getting my chem engine degree then taught myself SQL and DAX and took a data analyst job (which in still using to get my P eng, talked to the eng manager about getting him to sign off for me).

If you're in engineering you should be smart enough to teach yourself any software you want to learn, just start finding out what the industry standard softwares are and learn the basics for all of them.

First year in college, majoring in math with a minor in CS. Am I fucking up? Do I change my major before it's too late?

>>12749377
>just waste your time going into a dead career field
But why?

>>12749405
>dead career field
doubt.py

>>12736606
In exactly the same position, degree and all. At least you can graduate, my piece of shit university requires a 3 month internship requirement in addition to the coursework to graduate. I really wish I did kill myself while in Uni.

>>12739068
kek

>>12742171
lmao nigga I've seen so many shitty job posting made by you recruiters, especially in the tech field.

>4 year B.S in IS meme degree
>3.5 gpa, graduated on time
>was manager at the first fablab in my college system during college, did all kinds of neat things
>can't get internship for shit
>graduate
>takes 8 months to get job
>it pays 19k until I get my A+ Cert:)
>then 27.5k
>for a 7.75hr/day "not full time teehee!" job
>take home ~1700/mo
>fast forward 2 years, still no luck
how the fuck do people do this
I got to the final round of interviews for an amazon position starting at 75k, but lost to either a mystery meat or poodoo that flew in to interview.

virtually every application since then has gotten no reply, maybe graced with a declination email

So should I just go to tradeschool to be an electrician?
what do you think, I'm tired of this poor wagie bullshit

I want to work in Antarctica, what trade route should I take

>>12749606
studies in ufology

>>12742192
>implying voluntarily making 100k-300k a year with the option to quit at any moment is the same as slavery

/biz/ tards everywhere. they just want someone who isnt autistic

>>12749626
>they just want someone who isnt autistic
Where do you think you are?

>>12741544
This is true.
Did an unpaid internship my freshman year of college.
20$/hour by my last internship.
$92k/year fresh out of college.
2 years later and I'm at $170k/year.

>>12736606
>No internship

I smelled bullshit.

>>12749398
Better than most options.
Just make sure not to forget personal projects and internships.

>>12749377
>just do boring bugmen work for the rest of your life bro
Might as well become a janitor

>>12736635
Solid

>>12749506
lol I'm a graphic designer with a vocational-ish degree, I have less than 1 year of experience.
Got hired immediately out of my internship and now I'm making 2100/mo.
Honestly anything that isn't on a computer is hard mode nowadays, everyone in this thread should realize. Just learn to code, if you stupid you can always go the designer route.
>tfw my degree is like only slightly better than a HS one
Thanks Trump

>>12750834
>boring bugmen work
>Might as well become a janitor
better pay, higher prestige
However, it is true that I cannot actually vouch for the idea that coding is more interesting / less boring that janitorial work. It's probably a tie, idk.

>>12736606
LIE
I
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WHEN CRONYISM EXIST I DONT SEE WHY PEOPLE JUST WONT
LIE

>>12736631
>>12736631
>>12736631
it's pretty bad pm ypur eyes no?The radiation etc

>>12746893
>they pay absolute shit
Oh I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about people who were making zero money.