/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>12624680
USA will turn into a 3rd world economy because they prioritize menial shit over actual merit. Good luck.

>>12624680
fuck off /pol/

>>12624806
what did i say that is incorrect about the situation, retard? also ben shapiro is a dumb kyke

>>12624867
The housing market is inflated. It mostly has to do with boomer city councils favoring sprawl over density. Maybe get involved with local politics and push for better urban planning.

But all of your faggotry about immigration is fake and gay. You've been straight up brainwashed by a fascist cult that's manipulating your insecurities.
Immigration has been declining over the last decade. I grew up in a 50% mexican neighborhood. I don't understand or respect your paranoia. All I can assume is your skin is too thin and your dick is too small.
The H1B is usually filling jobs nobody else was qualified for or even creating jobs that hadn't previously existed.
America has always been a leading innovator because it attracts the smartest minds in the world. Big fucking brains like (((Einstein))) and Nicola Tesla all left their stupid backwards countries for the freest goddamn nation in the world.

>>12625092
I really do hope that one day you shills are killed or at the very least exiled from the country for being massive fucking traitors.

The level is dishonesty is worthy of death.

>>12625105
once again, no arguments. just memes and outrage, why are you like this?

>>12625092
>immigration has been declining over the last decade
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/immigrant-population-over-time
>45% of the USA will be composed of immigrants by 2020

>H1B is usually filling jobs noone was qualified for

>25,000 H1b visas filed for STEM degrees this year, despite the fact that america is churning out massive numbers of STEM grads

also,

>implying im a republican because of what i said

republicans and democrats are both controlled by the same people. everything is a scam.

>>12625116
You are a dishonest astroturfer. You deserve no respect. You and those you work with spend you time trying to shut down anything that does not fit the narrative and you will do it with any means necessary because either you are paid to do so or because you think it is okay to lie or argue dishonestly because you are the good guy.

It isn't and you aren't. You are a disgrace and not worth the air you are breathing.

>>12625105
if mexicans replace everyone then they're just New Americans. Think about how much Irish, German and Italian culture is thought of as part of "quintessential American culture". In 40 years a quinceanera will have the same cultural gravitas as a "sweet 16". It's just change man, nothing to be done about it because it's pretty much a given.

>>12625116
>>12625092
>absolutely no rebuttal when i show PROOF that this shill is full of shit

>>12625105
So triggered
>>12625143
I didn't imply you were a republican. I implied you were an insecure NPC, brainwashed by the fascist redpill cult.

death to the new world order

Start a homestead buy guns and maintain good relationships with your neighbors
The government's spending isn't sustainable

>>12624707
looking at all the tent cities, we're already there

So we're doomed.

>>12625196
stop using ad hominem arguments and find proof that what i asserted is false. i provided citations, you provide yours please.

>>12625226
That anon is a roastie.

>>12625226
Here's a citation for ya.
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2018/11/27/u-s-unauthorized-immigrant-total-dips-to-lowest-level-in-a-decade/

Not that it matters. Because I'm comfortable with immigration.

>>12625431
i didnt say unauthorized immigration you absolute retard. i said immigration in general. you have proven to be an astroturfing idiot who has refuted none of my points and spews your retarded garbage with no regard for how it sounds. good day retard

>>12625092
Fuck you Kike bitch, you suck at subversion and we can see right through your lies pathetic Jew. DOTR is coming soon, and there is no stopping it. You can only poke the tiger so much before it tears the shit out of you.

>>12625444
good day to you as well fren

>>12625468

>>12625092
This is why you cucks cant meme,you broke the meme down so much that i lts not funny anymore,theyre short sweet and catchy,your meme is dry and abrasive,its bc you lack morality and empathy to create real humour

>>12625196
Wasnt the fascists a leftist party

>>12624680
>Housing market vastly inflated
Not disagreeing with that.

>millions of illegals
Fuck off back to /pol

>>12625143
>45% of the USA will be composed of immigrants by 2020

Hide away in shame because of your own stupidity...

>>12625674
>>12625704
provide your own sources then retard. i provided mine.

>>12625652
Left and Right don't matter.
What matters is Libertarian and Authoritarian.

>>12625734
How about you follow simple logic and read your own sources.

Exhibit a) pic related
You failed to read a simple chart.
One that is even fucking interactive. It even shows you the actual value, when you move the courser over it.
And you STILL failed to read it correctly.

Exhibit b)
>muh imigrunts
You try to argue a high price in the housing market and start of with imigrants, who on average have - at bes - an insignificant amount of money and have a low to nonexistant influence on a market, where a significant amount of said money is needed, to take part in.

>>12624680
im heading to Argentina in a few years. Better women, food, and their economy is on the rise. USA is dead and the media is only making it worse.

>>12626158
you speak taco?

>>12625143
How many stem grads are American tho?

>>12625092
Boomer talking points 101

>>12626508
>Boomer talking points 101

>>12624707
>blaming muh diversity for poor macroeconomic policy decisions
This is why America is weak and will continue being weak.

>>12625674
This. Nothing wrong with illegal immigration. It brings prices down which is a good thing.

>>12626674
Prioritizing anything beside merit will definitely lead to a shitty economy eventually.

>>12625105
>saying things I don't like on a Chinese cartoon imageboard should be punished by death!

Chill

>>12625092
this entire post reeks of reddit

>>12624680
and that's why bitcoin was created fren

>>12625092
>all of your faggotry about immigration is fake and gay. You've been straight up brainwashed
Holy shit cringe. You should educate yourself before mouthing off like that
https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2017/11/low-skill-immigration-case-restriction/

>>12625092
Yes goy it’s the boomers fault.

Globalisation is an eventual balancing out of the world's economies. So yeah America used to be number 1. That has to balance out by moving down. China probably used to be in the 100s rank 100 years ago. Your only hope is to get a high IQ job that only exceptionally gifted people can do. If you can be replaced by immigrants it's over.
Low IQs just by crypto and hope for a moon, it's your only chance.
Things will get worse.

>>12628142
It's not a conspiracy. If you own property, you want it's value to go up.
We do not own property, so we want propery value to go down.

“Civil government, so far as it is instituted for the security of property, is in reality instituted for the defense of the rich against the poor, or of those who have some property against those who have none at all.”

― Adam Smith

>>12628610
Supply and demand. People are having less kids so the housing prices should decline.
However uncontrolled mass immigration = rising housing prices.
Especially if the area is a gated community, or 100% white. A lot of these property owners will sometimes sell a few houses cheap to foreigners to decrease the housing prices in a general area and then that forces people to move to a whiter area which costs more money. Then sell some houses for cheap to foreigners, repeat the process.
The future is fucked.
Men are destroyed so they can't protect their countries.
Everyone is at mercy to the government.

>>12625092
False

>>12625431
>you know those guys we can't track, there's totally less now
>ignore that the border centers are overwhelmed with record people

>>12628672
Yeah I personally think these immigration statistics are false. It's to lure you into a false sense of security.

>>12628640
>lot of property owners will sometimes sell a few houses cheap to foreigners to decrease the housing prices in a general area
>then that forces people to move to a whiter area which costs more money
Oh boy, please tell me where people SELL houses for cheap in what you call "gated community" or "100% white" to actually DECREASE the price.

>>12628773
do your own research
They don't do it for gated communities, but they do it for other 100% white areas

>>12628773
Well honestly because I want to educate you I will give you an example.
Detroit in the 1950s used to be an expensive place to live, full of whites.
Then they moved the industries out of Detroit to other parts of America.
They then sold a lot of properties to blacks in Detroit cheaply, which then spiralled into a massive decline in value for most Detroit properties making the middle class abandon their once expensive homes to move elsewhere like California. Now California is full of immigrants the whites are moving back to Detroit.

>>12628773
If you want to find those cheap properties now you got to live in the hood.

>>12628661
how can I argue with that?
>>12628672
i'm from San Diego
>>12628640
believe me, the problem is shit urban planning.
They only build about 2 stories high when they should approve 6 stories.

>>12628840
>Detroit in the 1950s used to be an expensive place to live, full of whites.
Correct.

>Then they moved the industries out of Detroit to other parts of America.
Also correct.

>They then sold a lot of properties to blacks in Detroit cheaply, which then spiralled into a massive decline in value for most Detroit properties making the middle class abandon their once expensive homes to move elsewhere like California.
You are retarded.

Industries move away.
Jobs moved away.
Middle class needs and wants jobs to stay the fucking middle class.
Middle class follows jobs.
Number of people leaving Detroit to follow jobs rises, number of new residents declines.
High supply of formerly expensive houses.
Houses become cheap (because no one would buy them otherwise).
People with a low amount of money move in.

You simply mistake the driving factors of blacks moving in - they are a mere reaction, not a cause.

Also, in >>12628640 you stated, that people sell houses to purposely drive down prices. Which is - even by 4chan standards - completely retarded.

>>12628889
You can argue that but it still destroys the economy. There is no incentive to pay anyone a good wage whenever they can import in 3rd worlders who will do it for less than half what our ancestors would have worked for. As I said in my previous post globalisation is a balancing of the world economy. If it's Mexico who's coming into your country, your wealth is going to look half way between USA 1990 and Mexico 1990.
There is a reason your country's government is favourable about immigration and it is because it makes the top 1% wealthier at everyone else's expense.

>>12628904
Yeah I'm retarded because of one disagreement.
...
I don't need to prove shit it's common knowledge as an area gets less white the property value declines.

>>12628904
Ask yourself why they moved the industries, could the people who owned the industries have a higher percentage of homes owned in a given area. As opposed to an area in which the majority of homes were owned by the middle class.

>>12628904
Since You called me retarded I'm going to guess you bought crypto in 2018. Going to judge your ass too. See how you like it.

>>12625092
>I don't have any experience with what you're saying therefore it's not true.

Seriously get out there and look around. White people are dying.

>>12628928
>Yeah I'm retarded because of one disagreement.
This is not a disagreement.
You try to adjust the reality to your political world view, not the other way around.

Which in turn will lead to you never being to be able to understand the world around you and hence never be able to influence your surroundings to make you happy. Always blaming consequences and never working on the causes will lead to you never be happy or successful.

>>12628941
>bought crypto in 2018
I sold in early December 17 and invested it into two small flats near my hometown (where property is still reasonably priced, because people dont flip it as much), thank you.

>>12625674
t. greedy business owner

>>12628961
Well there are many others who hold the view. White flight is a very real thing. Once foreigners come in, the white person sells the property for cheap as since there are foreigners present the value of the housing goes down. Hence why the cheapest places to live in America have the most non whites. Black neighbourhoods are cheaper than white ones for this reason.
I am correct on this issue buddy.
You are clearly not white yourself.

Yeah everything I said was correct I bet you wherever those Detroit industries moved to, there was probably loads of new expensive houses constructed in that area that were vacant and (((coincidentally))) built around the same time those industries moved there.

>>12628998
>Additionally, the industrial boom of the postwar period had begun to decline by the 1950s and 60s. In 1950, 56% of all automobile employment in the United States was in Michigan, but by 1960, that had fallen to 40%. Many of the factories that had employed thousands of Detroiters were forced to lay off workers, leading to Detroiters moving elsewhere for work.

The text you posted even proved my point, pal...

>>12629025
Third paragraph about how when blacks moved in whites ran away.

>>12629025
I have nothing to gain here anyway man, no one except fools believe your cancer.
I am not even pol, just a rational human being.

>AMERICAN LIFE AS WE KNOW IT IS DYING

sigh

>>12629038
>The race riot of 1967, a result of years of segregation in Detroit, only exacerbated the phenomenon of white flight.
>a result of years of segregation in Detroit, only exacerbated the phenomenon of white flight.
>exacerbated the phenomenon of white flight.
>exacerbated the phenomenon
>exacerbated

Which brings me back to
>You try to adjust the reality to your political world view, not the other way around.

Cause and reaction.
You still mistake one for another.

>>12629048
Poor Japan
Also GDP does not reflect life quality

>>12629064
Bottom line is no white wants to live with non white.
Races have had problems since creation.
So when non whites move into an area enmass... Property prices drop like a stone in water.
Now is this coincidence or in the case of Detroit could it have been done on purpose..
Certainly both are possible.
So in summary white areas= most expensive.
Non white areas cheap.
A good way to destroy a neighbourhood's wealth is to build cheap houses nearby for non white. Then you build houses in a different area where there are only whites and sell them new properties to the whites at a more expensive price against their old property, since their old property has now depreciated in value, due to that cheap housing built nearby for the blacks.

Does an area exist (in the united states) that has high relative property value that is also overwhelmingly black majority populated?

>>12625105
This is based

>>12626674
Yeah very diverse government China has going on over there. Tell me how are the enlightened """communist""" treating the Middle eastern settlers trying to enter their land

>>12629119
Immigration will help the USA economy all of them current minimum wage slave jobs need to be done cheaper to compete with China. Browns will do it for cheap. While white neets die off . We are witnessing the destruction of the low end of the white gene pool. High IQ whites will be the next ruling class. Doing jobs that can't be replaced be coloured. But too many people get too much for nothing nowadays. Even min wage is overpaid for what it is.

>>12629119
>enlightened """communist""" treating the Middle eastern settlers trying to enter their land
Europe had been treating them pretty humanely methinks

>>12629119
Very badly I suppose. They are xenophobes. Their communism isnt (((white leftism))). And their people are not lazy. So they can work for low wages on tough jobs that white westerns can't handle. If you think this too hard to reply ask a spic to do it.

>>12629119
>>201754420

>>12629287
>>>/pol/201754420

>>12629316
It's all about money... voting, politics, these have no effect. China simply has enough people willing to work for peanuts to do the jobs.
Westerners want more pay than Chinese and there are not enough of them being born into low income families to do the rough jobs.
So govt. brings in 3rd worlders who work as slaves basically.

>>12629331
Being so much greedy enough to not have kids to share the money with is what is destroying White Westerns

>>12629287
I don't really mind 3rd worlders. It's just that retard I was arguing with was wondering were the cheap properties were and I told him they used to be expensive when they were inhabited by whites. But now that only blacks live there they are cheap as fuck. But no one especially his entitled ass will want anything to do with them properties, certainly not live there... Probably not even buy it due to squatters etc... My best friend is actually the son of an Egyptian immigrant and he was informing me of how the property prices in Egypt have basically become null since the economy crashed over there. His family owned much of the property around there, big land lords top 1%. But squatters have taken over their lands since the govt. collapsed. And now there are no police to help them

>>12629345
I agree that lack of children doesn't help. But believe me, the people who run this world are white. Whites will be fine. The rich smart ones anyway.

>>12629345
I agree that lack of children doesn't help. But believe me, the people who run this world are white. Whites will be fine. The rich smart ones anyway. Most people you see who rule the world have blue eyes. They have enough awareness to know that allowing whites to be a minority will destroy them. They are bringing in enough immigrants to do the slave labour but ultimately will keep enough whites around that whites will be fine. I think all these leftist laws are made to bring them in currently like cheese on a mouse trap. The default state is more right wing and we will revert to that soon enough. The poor 3rd worlders will then have a hard time. Like they used to in America before WW2.

>>12629355
I live in Brazil and the same has happened here since they have undermined our economy in favor of their election to reform the system and sell us out.
>>12629377
In my country the best places to be are the least populated where most whites live. But these places are farm towns with a few germans or italians. Their city can't provide jobs. There's the good side that there's not poor brown people coming to live there, but there's the bad side that young people there have to leave to a dangerous city habitated with this kind of people to find a job.

>>12629416
Damn, that's a shame to be happening over there in Brazil. Seeing the slow death of your country due to kindness and altruism is the worst fate. I feel bad for you man. Well we are all experiencing it on different levels. It could always be worse. Haha :(

>>12629048

>China in 1963
>no USSR

what bs graph is that?
If the USSR has no economy at all how come the Cold war lasted almost half a century?

>>12625092
even your code has a bunch of errors and no consistency. Do you work at any liberal startup with forced politics? Do you use emojis in your comments?