/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>12616018
Fuck off with your Nazism

fake and gay

Pathetic scared children prefer fairy tales over scientific reality.

Actually children are braver than you since they are protesting world wide. Even children have a better understanding of this.

>>12616046
>Science isn't perfect therefore anything it has to say is wrong!

Spotted the normie brainlet

Actual chart + C02 emissions. See how temperature rise follows emissions.

>>12616040
This is the reality on the left and right. The vast majority of people are scientifically illiterate.

>>12616055
>Just an accidental error bro https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_emails,_data,_models,_1996-2009

>>12616074
lol you can trawl through that entire hack and there is nothing controversial in it at all. You have nothing. No arguments.

>>12616083
>nothing controversial in it at all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2J8zEJHIg8

Its 15 minutes. Watch it.

>shrimp aquaculture
How do I short that bubble?

>>12616096

HAHAHAHHA Stefan Molyneux FFS yeah he sure knows more than climate scientists.

You can't believe science because your political beliefs tell you not to. How embarrassing.

>>12616096
molymeme

fuggg :DDD

But I really like my burgers and sushis. How about you stop driving first.

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>>12616121
>Ego casually disregards information that might damage it

Wtf is going on here nigguhs?

>>12616145
Oh look, absolutely nothing again. You do realise human caused climate change is a scientific consensus with 97% agreement.

>>12616145
>After watching youtube videos, I am engrossed in science :DDD

very redpilled post fren

>>12616145
leftists are always intellectually dishonest. the use feminine shaming tactics because they were raised by single mother whores. always some type of catty response. what the fuck are they even going to do about climate change? fucking nothing, like they've done their whole life. they'll sit on the internet spamming their shit graphs and whatever else, but will never do ANYTHING about it.

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>>12616179
>Doesn't even watch the video
>Is literally terrified
>pooped pants
>Hasn't even read this book
>Is a boring normie with no mind of their own that only came here with the btc influx of 2017

>>12616192
I don't know why I bother, I see it as a personal failing actually. 2019 resolution, don't debate npc's.

>>12616206
Even if global warming is a hoax, what are the downsides to using renewable energy sources and minimizing environmentally-harmful practices?

>>12616179
>umm yes climate change is real now can I have my grant money? I need my cocaine and hookers

the reality is the left has left has left behind religion and created their own. Scientists are their priests and any one of them that goes against the group gets burnt in the fire like the heretic they are.

>>12616243
carbon taxes and china owning the earth because they have no ethics

>>12616215
Why would you think one accusations
of corruption changes anything? You are aware of all the fake science funded by energy companies? Strange you ignore definitely shouldn't bother. Because you're wrong.

politics run parallel to population density

>>12616245
You can see climate change happening now. Literally with your own eyes.

>>12616243

It's just part of the wider move for western governments to gain more power over its citizens, create new taxes/regulations and generally make the western world a worse place to live in. As the UN says: 'reducing inequality among nations and within them'.

>>12616254
>Carbon taxes
Are these still a thing? Is this 2006?
>China
>China is the world's leading country in electricity production from renewable energy sources, with over double the generation of the second-ranking country, the United States.

>>12616018
did someone say nitrous?

>>12616206
>book
Accuses his opponents of alarmism and being doomsdayers and in the next sentence asserts that the alarmists proposed solutions will be the end of society as we know it.
>muh years
off by 10 :DDD
>>12616192
I own an efficient house, see pic
>>12616245
99 IQ

truly my pants are poopd, /pol/bots.

>>12616277
Do you have any proof of this?
I'm libertarian, I'm all for smaller governments. But I'm not going to believe willynilly conspiracies just for fun.
How would moving toward renewables negatively impact your life/freedom?

>>12616018
Maybe you should post this on /n/ or /o/ where it matters instead of here on a board full of poor wagecucks and neets

>>12616204
Jej

>>12616281
you are retarded if you don't realize this whole thing is a con job to steal tax money.

>>12616309
Dude, 57% of my tax goes toward military alone. Why are you not complaining about this?
The government is already bloated beyond belief. This 'cron job to steal tax money' would literally be a drop in the bucket.

>>12616337
*If this theory of yours is even true.

zoom out

AGW, the coin that never dumps.

>>12616018
Even supposing global warming were real - YOU would not be the one to lead us out of it. Your entire MO with this shit is a naked grab for social status, to be able to say to everyone around you "I'm greater than you, and I'll come out of this apocalyptic situation better than you."

Everyone who believes in global warming sees it as their own personal rapture.

>>12616295

Because they are charging me way too much tax as it is and they will want to charge more, as well as taxes, energy costs will go up (as they already have been). Cost of living becomes ridiculous.

It is not specifically the eco movement, but rather the wider move of totalitarian globalists to make the west a shithole.

>>12616046
bad data. this is only because huge leaps an strides have been made in green energy which is literally taking over the world rn

>>12616376
anon please don't ignore my points I am debating joo :DDD
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>>12616376
I definitely agree with you on the tax situation. I wonder when the tipping point will come. Taxes cannot go up forever, at what point will people stand up to the bloated governments?

This belongs in pol. Climate change is a religious to the left. It's a key pillar of communism. It gives the government the power to control and tax everything in the name of "science"

>>12616393

It's hard for me to break it all down. Essentially the west has been subverted by a few things, some kind of identity-based marxism known as intersectionality for one. The effect this is having is a grand destabilization, this destabilization is intended to create the ground for a revolution... But revolutions are rarely truly grass roots, this is no exception. There is an international class of power brokers that work in banking, NGO'S, government etc that are enacting a plan upon western populations. Like a shadow government, our politicians are not there to serve the democratic will of the public, but rather to carry out their own plans for some sort of authoritarian globalist takeover where the western world will be dragged down to the level of the third world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Compact_for_Migration https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3qkf3bajd4 I am tired I am sorry

>>12616018
Not /biz/ related.
>>>/sci/

>>12616441
They already tax us to death. Do you really think that if they want more money they would create an entire conspiracy just to milk us a bit more?
I'm already paying 54% of my taxes to the largest military in the world. I'm certain that if the government wanted more tax money from us they would do something a bit easier than creating a giant climate change conspiracy.

>>12616465
Fucking this x1000. Well put tired anon.

>>12616424

Indeed, whenever the government stops spending in an area, instead of lowering the taxes they just find something else to spend it on... At some point I will stop working and go on wellfare, fuck it. At a certain point of taxation/paperwork it is not worth the effort.

Zoom out thousands of years and you'll realize that the earth is currently colder than average
Climate change does happen yes, but it's all natural. Humans have nothing to do and have almost no impact (<0.1%) on the climate

>>12616466
fuck off

>>12616465
>carry out their own plans for some sort of authoritarian globalist takeover where the western world will be dragged down to the level of the third world
What benefit does this serve to those in charge?
Ruling over a wasteland of shit seems like bad goals.

looks like the human race is in for a healthy correction haha

>>12616470
This tax also includes limits on productivity, leading to fewer jobs and increased government dependence.

All I'm saying them I'm 1 post by this id and gone out of this thread.

>>12616481

Ty desu, 01:44 here in the UK and I am up waiting for an ever illusive Bitcoin flash-crash.

>>12616470
>They already tax us to death. Do you really think that if they want more money they would create an entire conspiracy just to milk us a bit more?

Yes

>>12616018
But how do I make money off of this?

>>12616470
Not just about that. It's also about general regulatory barriers being erected to prevent competition by new players & protect existing monopolies. Hilariously, this means alternative energy companies that could actually help are crippled at the outset. Meanwhile the carbon markets will create yet more shitcoin-esque derivative instruments to flip, except crashes in that market aren't just a bunch of NEETs being affected, it's the whole planets economy....again (and naturally any big players will be bailed out by taxpayers when they fuck up). It's also a nice psyop - keep everyone guilt tripping about it despite most having 0 personal influence or even being actively opposed to how things operate. Much other shit too.

>>12616518
You seem to have a lot of faith in a government that can barely function. Unless their asinine behavior is just a facade and they are true puppet masters behind the scenes.
Again, which I highly doubt.
If the government was competent enough to create these grandiose conspiracies, I think we would be in a far better place. But until then, politicians will continue to metaphorically shit themselves until the end of time.

>>12616465
I agree there is a shadow cabal. The corporate usurping of the global power brokers (West) is in the final stages.

However climate change is not a grand plot. Of course the new rulers want to survive and bask in their newfound supremacy for the next lifetime, otherwise what was the point of all the effort. No one wins when we all die :DDD

>>12616504

I am not sure exactly, it could be something as trivial as tall poppy syndrome. Or, rather plausibly it might be because a third world wasteland is easier to rule over with an iron fist than the delicate flower that was western liberty. These are not people that want you running your own life, they want to control every detail.

>>12616493
Triggered much libcuck? This isn't a business issue except tangentially. Now take your b8 thread and fuck off.

>>12616548

I will meet in the middle, say man made global warming is a problem. I very much doubt the solutions they are putting forward are the most effective, and that their solutions are not coloured by political motivations.

>>12616537
I hope that libertarian ideas get a stronger foothold in our nations' policies. I want to see what an unobstructed free market can do.

>>12616550
I'd imagine hopeless people would be easier to rule over. Just look at North Korea. But still, Kim is ruling over basically a wasteland of shit and can only survive because China allows it to. (Because China doesn't want to deal with millions of refugees from North Korea if it were to collapse)

>>12616571
>I very much doubt the solutions they are putting forward are the most effective, and that their solutions are not coloured by political motivations.

I would never trust a politician to make an effective decision. lol

>>12616504
>Bad goals.
Look at African warlords as a case in point, or the typical communist shithole. Fact is, lotta people actively want to rule a dystopian cesspool. It's basically a sadistic power trip. Money alone isn't enough, raw & overt power of life and death over the slaves is the end goal.

>>12616594

It is hard to say the exact motivation I concede. One possible element could be that they just want to be at the top of the heirachy, frozen in place. Even if they have to make everything crap, at least they will be on top, running everyones lives. I have a suspician that this is the true nature of Communists (that they don't care for the poor so much as they want to destabilize the heirachy and take top place, using 'true believers' along the way).

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>>12616393
Even if anthropomorphic climate change wasn’t real, the so called “solutions” for solving it are fucking laughable as they merely incentivize business as usual with no technological advancement whatsoever because the 90 corporations responsible for 2/3 of all man made CO2 emissions will just offset their carbon taxes with gains from speculating on carbon credit derivatives, thus not reducing their footprint what-so-fucking-ever.

The Clinate Change hoax is a hoax because the solution (a financial instrument) is a farce.

It’s a really dishonest way to milk 7billion people who collectively contribute 1/3 to total global pollution.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/08/just-90-companies-are-blame-most-climate-change-carbon-accountant-says

>>12616600

Indeed, just look at the pigs ear the government has made out of Bitcoin taxation ;D

Is there any way I can short the environment?

>Marxist con

Staggering delusion. Seriously you're fucking deranged. YOU CAN SEE GLACIERS RECEDING

>>12616677

Every year no less.

>>12616680
Progressively worsening each year due to man made climate change yes.

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>>12616629
Similar ideas. I suppose it's a possible motivation.

>>12616641
Those top contributors seem to be oil-based companies. Wouldn't moving to renewables basically run these companies out of business?
I agree that many of the proposed solutions are just asinine, though. I think there is enough of a 'green movement' that no policies need to be put in place, just let the markets decide how things go.

>>12616692
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFpzaQPKC54 dem front pages

The reality is our economic system is doing this. It can't continue if we want the planet to be livable.

>>12616488
Wrong. Humans have never been alive with C02 this high. It has varied between 180-280 ppm. Last time it was 280 the sea level was 100ft higher.

>>12616541

>It's okay go... Guys, just breathe deep and let the gas slowly put you to sleep

>>12616771
>14 posts by this id
Don't you have a hippie circle to sing and consume organic granola in?

>>12616337
>57% of my tax goes toward military alone
No they don't. You've been conned again.

We shouldn't even have to wait for climate data, just observing exaust clouds pumping out of our machines and floating up into the atmosphere should be enough to realize this is going to culminate into something that can shift our habitable zone. Especially after doing it for 100 years.

>>12616309
It's shameful and retarded trying to fight this with taxes, but im certain its more of shitbags hijacking something and not a pure con. Dems are scum for this but its not like Repubs arent best buds with the oil cartel. This issue becoming politicized is nightmareish.

>>12616243
This is what I say, it doesnt even need to be about climate, decentralization of energy production is an obvious goal to strive for.

>>12616287
Underated post

>>12617035
>check id
>See Sun RAAHH
Based kek knows the power of the solar sun god

>>12617035
>Especially after doing it for 100 years.

We're at year 258, actually

Thats a lot of momentum. I'm an oldfag by 4chan standards but nowhere near a boomer. 1989, the media reported widely and the US government was warned. I comprehended what was happening in 2003. I thought people would care and governments would force necessary changes. I was wrong. Since then I got a degree in science and have studied the environment ever since. The reality is grim.

It will really come down to the younger generations vs. the old. The poor vs. the rich. but further, these poor and young people will have to accomplish this while being fought by other young and poor people who are incentivized against their own interests (or just crazy or willfully ignorant). A lot of crazy death cult religious people (christians, muslims and jews) will actively resist efforts to save the planet because it will be the fulfillment of their prophesied end times.

At some point being polite about this is just signing your death warrant. The timing is never going to be right. You're going to have to get in people's faces- people you know. You're going to have to "throw your bodies into the gears of the machine".

There are local groups you can join but don't pretend you can rely on political activity to solve anything

The real solution to climate change is genociding Africa, India, China, and most of Latin America and leaving the land as giant nature reserves, but no one wants to say it.

>>12616295
>How would moving toward renewables negatively impact your life/freedom?
>oy vey goy cow/pig/chicken/sheep meat is not environmentally sustainable so now you have to eat bugs/shrimp/plankton/nutrient paste while we chosen still get to have kosher meat
This will unironically happen in our lifetimes. You can already see the bug protein and nutrient paste memes being pushed onto White normies.

>>12616018
>Come to /biz/ for the first time in months
>Looking to see if 2016 biz has returned with gold / tai Lopez /affiliate marketing threads
>See climate change thread posted by Reddit cancer who probably doesn't know about other boards
The absolute state of /biz/

>>12616337
>57% of my tax goes toward military alon
You unironically got memed on by facebook boomer-tier fake news.
Here's a left-wing source so don't bitch.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/aug/17/facebook-posts/pie-chart-federal-spending-circulating-internet-mi/
>A social-media meme says that 57 percent of federal spending goes to the military and just 1 percent goes to food and agriculture, including food stamps.

>To get numbers that approximate this, the pie chart cherry-picks just discretionary spending. But that means the pie chart represents only about one-third of federal spending. Once you include the 60 percent of the budget that is mandatory spending, the military share plunges from 57 percent to 16 percent, and the categories that include Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid collectively account for a majority of federal spending. Spending on food and agriculture is still small, but it does quadruple from 1 percent to 4 percent.

>>12617318

India has one of the lowest CO2 emissions if measuring by per capita. Nuke USA and China.

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>>12616018
unironically the definition of what a climate is includes the notion of change, and must, as it is a fundamental attribute of nonstatic systems. So when you say ‘Climate change’ it’s literally like saying ‘Climate climate’ or some shit. Manmade climate ‘change’, yep big deal, but if we dont even have the correct signifiers in place to signify the thing we are talking about how on earth can we expect others to know what the fuck we are talking about, and further still, how can we really be assured in our knowledge that WE really know what we are talking about, or have knowledge of what that thing is we are trying to talk about. I used to read a lot of conspiracies about false flag alien invasions as a means of uniting the whole world against one common enemy in order to usher in a new world order, that is fucking ridiculous, but this whole deal with climate change, in all honesty, seems a lot like that. A common enemy to unite the whole world against.

>>12616018
Climate change is about as real as there only being two genders and sexes and anyone who thinks they are outside of those two or are the opposite of the one they were born as are mentally ill.

So if you agree with one you by default agree with the other.

>>12617395
>per capita
Irrelevant. It's low because 90% of them are peasants. HOWEVER, the overall pollution of India as a nation is irreversibly damaging the ocean and the planet as a whole. Therefore they must be genocided.
Either we genocide all those 3rd world shitholes are we accept that we'll have the same quality of life and technology as medieval peasants. I'd rather kill them all than give up electricity.

>>12617230
Its a horrific feeling, it's bad enough people dont typically look to my perspective because my lack of social stature. My biggest fear is that the elites aren't just ignorant but actively trying to create a scenario that wipes out most humans while they surive underground. I just don't get why people aren't capitalizing on a shift in energy as much as they could be. At least I got a 'good' response.

>>12617456
I use the term climate pollution for this reason. The point is if its changing in a way that will destroy the habitable zone for humans or human crops.

How do anthro climate change believers explain the Ice Age? How did it start and end? I can accept that industry can affect the climate, but I don't accept that it's necessarily negative.
>b-but the temperate zone will shift inducing hundreds of millions of refugees from the equator
WALL

>>12617483
What the fuck are you even trying to say?

>>12617389
Economics need to change to be sustainable. That means business needs to change.

>>12617574
I hope you die in an ice age

>>12617602
I hope you take your head out of the sand.

the shitskip problem is real. hope you're all on a very fast path to riches because you're going to need it to get into a nice white island nation in the next century

>>12617556
Sunspots, orbital precession, axial tilt, orbital eccentricity. Between these four, you can model global temperature with a high degree of correlation right up to around the 1700s. What happened then?

>>12617649
>you can model global temperature with a high degree of correlation right up to around the 1700s
beginning when?

>>12616771
>the sea level was 100ft higher
Thanks for confirming that you're a brainlet who actually thinks the sea level was a hundred feet higher at some point in time

>>12616018
I'm going to pollute because you made this thread. Every (16 as of now) posts equates to another bonfire of plastic bottles with aerosol cans being generously thrown in.

>>12616179
Consensus is not science. Ypu can prove something right 99% of the time but it only takes 1% to prove it wrong . Meaning you can have 99 things that prove your right but it only takes one thing to prove your wrong. So what if 97% agree? What if the other 3% have more damming evidence

>>12618237
>What if the other 3% have evidence
They don't.

>>12616018
Get rid of niggers and chinks and you solve this global warming forever

>>12618331
>4chan is intelligent people acting like retards
Turns out it's just retards.

>>12618340
The fact that it took you this long to figure out proves your point