/biz/ - Business & Finance

Why are taxes and regulations such a nightmare?

Do any of you fags know if I can short cfd's with a cash account on IB?

>>12600596
we live in a society

+0.04% on the day.

*yawn*

THREADLY REMINDER THAT DIVIDENDS ARE YOUR FREN

yo watch the DRUScruise desu senpaitachi
look for it to break and hold 0.002

I'm selling everything to bonds at the close.

>>12600616
Please, continue.
>>12600626
How much do you get in dividends?

>>12600659
>at the close
lol

I'm buying tupperware I ain't no punk

unironically hate bulls

>>12600659
better early than late, to be sure
bonds definitely go down a lot slower than stonks

still saying SPY is gonna get to 270 before anything severe happens

VTSAX IRA BROS RISE UP

MAX IT ANNUALLY REMEMBER 2018 IS OPEN UNTIL LIKE APRIL

>>12600626
based dividend-sensei
>>12600682
you don't have to hate us if you join us

Come on Powell, shitpost like the bear i know you are.

last time i made calls on Powell speech day i lost 3k, theres no way it happens again right?

Should I sell my VUZI bags?

>>12600729
Jerome is rough, but fair

CZR

>>12600744
fucking slut

>>12600744
>the 55 gallon drum of lube

>>12600729
calling it:
its gonna sound iffy, then SPY is gonna go parabolic into close for absolutely no reason, and then big boys will put on some smol (relatively speaking) shorts way late in AH
r8

>>12600744
she needs a taller shirt desu
looks cold

>>12600673
about $4100 from my div portfolio then about $16K in both divs and cap gains from my mutual funds. But those only come in June and December (with December being over half).

Therefore I set up a dividend calendar of all the individual stocks I want to own and will have decent income in each month. Its more of a psychological thing, but I did outpace the S&P 500 last year. Real test will be how it does during the next bull run, but my core stocks are Dogs of the Dow for 2019 so I think they'll be good.

Shorting AMD is starting to get really tempting here.

>>12600682
unironically lmaoing @ bears

>>12600787
how do you feel about stocking up on telecom, since 5g will be implemented in the near future? Do you think 5g is already priced into stocks like T and VZ?

bears=btfo

AAAAAAAAAAAHH

Guys I got some cash to spend. Only have one bluechip dividend stock (MSFT) so I wanna buy another one. Vz or k ? Or do you suggest something different.

>>12600835
aaaahhhhhh....
;)


>>12600853
go all in on TUP now

>>12600813
>still hasn't retested 2680
>getting cocky
settle down, little nigger.

>LCI

Was it just a meme after all?

>>12600769
Oh my god, mega rostie.

THIS

MARKET

WANTS

HIGHER

Okay i'm going to start easing in to a natty gas long now nya

Ok, this day is going too well
I can only assume Powell is going to obliterate my asshole

>>12600866
Kek

>>12600815
i'm one who thinks 5G will be transformative for the economy in a meaningful way.

I believe ATT and Verizon will be different companies due to the paths their traveling but both will benefit and be at the forefront of it all. Which is why I own both stocks. I also got a small position in Nokia (NOK) based on their work with 5G.

>>12600878
*Adjusts glasses*
Due to the recent market recovery, we think we can get back on track with the normalisation and the unwind.

>>12600853
pick one of the Dogs of the DOW

https://www.kiplinger.com/slideshow/investing/T018-S001-dogs-of-the-dow-2019-10-dividend-stocks-to-watch/index.html

I'm betting on CSCO and PFE this year.

Reminder that there are LITERALLY (((people))) still buying shares of Coca-Cola instead of Keurig Dr. Pepper.

>>12600863
Long term pattern looks pretty shit desu

>>12600890
*tanks*

no one in these markets can accept 'normal' prices, their poor boomer heads will explode

big boy Jerome will dispense justice upon all of them. upon all of us

>>12600890

>>12600899
when KDP increases its uninterupted dividend for 10 years like KO has for 55 years, I'll look into purchasing it.

until then KO remains king of the non-alcoholic beverage world.

Is buying the TUP dip a meme or are they actually going to rebound?

>>12600896
Looking into it, thanks !

Reminder to dust off your hats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErkVMeMbcl0

>>12600815
Nothing on 5G is priced in since nobody knows if its actually going to pan out on the large scale at this point. We really only have proof of concepts in ideal testing environments. On top of that we have no idea if everyone is going to hop on board with redesigning their towns and cities so that 5G networks can optimally work. So putting money into telecoms for 5G is basically gambling, but thats what makes it fun.

who here /steelchad/?

>>12600890
DONT DO IT POWELL

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>12600928
Look at long-term evolution, doesn't look promosing but it will rebound atleast some I assume.

Why does the Fed need to raise rates? Why not just keep the interest free Monopoly money going indefinitely?

Knew I should have dumped TME last weeks

BASTE
the old CEO of monster cables is now the head of my shitstock pink sheet gamble. those are gud cables. lifetime warranty too.
let the orwellian surveillance state COMMENCE
https://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/DRUS/news/Bantek-Hires-Jeffrey-L-Garon-as-CFO-of-Bantek-and-as-a-member-of-its-Board-of-Directors?id=216800

>>12600890
exactly this desu
the only "good news" we can look for in powpows speech is this

>>12600890
My guess is they hike now and issue an effectively "maybe" for the second hike later this year. That is in line with previous
tone from Powell. The going theory is he wants to hike quick so there is room to move down if shit gets properly fugged in near future. Biz media claiming low probability of hike are being too optimistic.

>>12600952
are you fucking retarded or something?

>>12600962
I'm being serious

>>12600961
>Biz media claiming low probability of hike are being too optimistic.
this
its a trap

>>12600952
For the same reason a good parent makes a child eat their vegetables and go to sleep at a decent hour.

>>12600968
>why not inflate all the monies forever?
think harder then, senpai

>>12600952
1. Can't lower them further if a major economic downturn hits, which would be done to lessen the blow
2. Encourages risky behavior
3. Don't want to overheat the economy
4. Doesn't incentivize people to save money

>>12600952
eventually you'll get 100000% inflation and destroy society

>>12600979
+ the inflation component, which results in an overheating economy. they want steady growth, not spurts of it with a follow-up recession

>>12600968
you will need 7-9% return to stay on float pension funds. it looks like they are already too late to raise to save the penions are going bust

>>12600968
look how many "billionaires" there are in Zimbabwe, but they can't buy anything with a billion Zimbabwe shekels...why?

>>12600921
>20% 5 year gains of Coke vs. 240% gains of KDP
>but may dividend is 1% higher

Lmao you deserve to die alongside your outdated Boomer company

>>12600928
call your bank and take out a loan

>>12601036
>KDP will always go up 240%

like i said, if they increase their dividend for 10 years, maybe even 5, i'll look into it. until then, I'll go with one of the most proven stocks of all time. I have mutual fund advisors looking after my growth portfolio, I don't have time or the experience to speculate or research those types of companies.

thank you based nio

>>12601066
what would happen to TUP if oil goes on another run tho?
wouldnt they be fucked?
or would the subsequent scale-up of petroleum production counteract this?

if youre goin uber long term on em, shouldnt this be an important factor to think on? i doubt oil is just gonna stay down here forever

>>12601103
if u mean 55/b, we're basically there now

if u mean 75/b, then ur gonna have to wait

you know you can hedge oil price exposure in various ways, including buying it

>>12600937
This. Kinda stinks of 4G "WiMax," you know, the shit S dumped billions into just to beat LTE to the market. The problem was you needed tons of towers. Just like 5G. I'm not saying this shit isn't going to work, but don't forget that LTE is actually 4G.1.

>and when we needed LCIguy the most, he was nowhere to be found

>>12601115
sure, im just saying in the next ten years i expect oil to BTFO 75/b. may not be the best buy and hold 4eva if that happens imo

>>12600890
*Waits for Jim Cramer to stop screaming incoherently*

But really, to Rick's point, Wall Street was looking at his face, his tone, the way he put those words out there, to really give us some sense of direction. We were looking at a 47% chance of a rate hike going into today, and based on Powell's blinking, stuttering, quite frankly the look of fear in his eyes, investors know he isn't comfortable with this move. The market drop should have been obvious in hindsight.

>Market up above 1%
>VIX only down 2%

Something is fishy. Investors are still willing to pay exorbitant prices for options. Probably because of backstabbing Chinese. They might flake last second on trade deal to fuck Trump over.

>>12600961
>>12600971
SQQQ puts looking juicier then ever

>>12601140
I don't think an increase of oil to 75/b over several years will do anything to dent TUP's MASSIVE cashflow. you will only have to worry about oil prices for fueling your yacht(s) or private jet(s) if you go all in on TUP now

>>12600787
What does your dividend portfolio look like? I just started and I'm putting part of my paycheck into vanguard ETFs, but what else beyond that?

>>12600787
Basdd, what's your annual yield from divs?

>>12601135
He posted yesterday saying he sold everything.

>>12601174
I don't believe you. LCIguy wouldn't do that

>>12601066
sounds like a surefire way of getting fucked imho

>>12601135
>>12601174
>>12601181
Yeah... I bought in at $25, it was getting too painful when I saw the $3.33 print. Unloaded on this recent bounce.....

BUY EAT
>>12601174
dollar to donut it was an imposter

>>12601192
>Yeah... I bought in at $25

>>12600798
Do it, I dare you, I remember the short squeeze to 30 :)
>>12600890
Boomer:WAS PUMPING THE MARKET A PART OF YOU PLAN?!
Powell:of course!
Boomer:well congratulations, you pumped the market! What's the next step of you masterplan?
Powell:CRASHING THIS MARKET, WITH NO SURVIVORS!

>>12601203
>>12601181
>>12601174
It was just some shitposter impersonating him (his password is openly known)

>>12601232
I'm bullish on AMD but this seems a bit overdone. Haven't pulled the trigger on a short but thinking about it. If so I'd like to see it break under $21 and sell around $20.50.

>>12601232
Don't see any news that could prompt a market recovery.
So I guess this is volatility and uncertainty in mention.
I will buy back in when the dust settles

>>12601255
Meant 22 and 21.50

>>12601232
Stop! They expect all of you in the wreckage brother!

>>12601286
Have we started a crash, brother?
Yees, the bear rises!

>>12601353
Come now mr cramer! Now is not the time for fear. That comes later.

welcome to your Golden Bull

>>12601192
>the $3.33 print
What? What does that mean?

>>12601434
It just means when the chart for LCI hit $3.33

>>12601434
the print on the tape, jerky

GREEN

I've been getting a ton of ads on 4channel. Hiro managed to make money, moot BTFO
>>12601418
THE DOGS OF THE DOW ARE AWAKE

>>12600588
Entire stock market is up huge and LCI is still shitting the bed. LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>12600937
>So putting money into telecoms for 5G
literally no point. it won't give them any significantly higher profits. they'll just have to all bear the cost of expansion.

Who you really need to long when it comes to 5G are the ones who make the chips, other components, and systems that are used. Phone sales will also spike at some point during 5G build out.

Personally I think it means long DRAM. It's the only common denominator among all 5G boosted industries, including also IOT. Wait to see if we get another JUST leg down from rate hike though.

>>12601479
Buy the dip! Double down!!

>>12601479
short tripfags because they're all turbo retards

GALT RSI needed to cool off, it's back in upwards continuation territory now

>>12601514
post your returns

>>12601516
LCI guy level cope
HERE WE GO

>>12601532
imagine placing this much importance on intraday price action

Bears btfo

>>12601542
OPEN YOUR ASSHOLE HERE COMES DENIAL AND DILUTION

All the bio tech meme stocks and tripfags getting BTFO.

>he fell for the bear crash meme

what happened to s-s-s-s-s-s-sQuad avatar faggot? Guess youre just retarded Lmao

>>12601584
AHHHHHHH NO PLEASE STOP SELLING

>>12601564
>DOC
>IRM
>O

My REITs are each up 1-2%, Based.

https://www.investing.com/analysis/is-tesla-headed-for-bankruptcy-200380326

well, is it /biz/?

>>12601603
Based reit bro! I'm thinking of buying some

>>12601530
>t. attention seeking faggot

>>12601600
>>12601584
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>12601595
>t. avatarfag

>>12601600
Don't make me hate GALT too. It isn't shilled that often like LCI.

>>12601611
No, if the market share drops sufficiently, AAPL will just buy it, outsource the manufacturing and make it the base for its AI cars.

>>12601611
what's the worst case scenario? another gov intervention? tesla bought by some other company? (who?)

>>12601611
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines

>>12601611
Something something rule of headlines

>>12601595
What kind of avatar fag? You mean bears? They aren't avatars.
>>12601232
Absolutely based post.

Why did I take the bears seriously yesterday?

>>12601418
lmao

Boeing is unstoppable.

>>12601659
You say that like AAPL actually has any vision.

who here /MSFT/ waiting on earnings today?

N E W

P O R T F O L I O

M I L E S T O N E

we /rich/ now

>>12601727
I have some BA and it is making my portfolio feel real nice today.

>>12601729
do you think the only thing apple is good for is 1000 faceberg machines?

>>12601727
Yeah, new ATH before Friday close?

>>12601755
congrats anon, welcome to the 300K club. what's your investing strat?

>>12601636
why would those types of posts make you hate GALT

>>12601717
>muh Demoralized

>>12601760
Yes. I know they're working on cars but I honestly don't see anything big in their future for 10 years. As people jump ship from their phones iTunes will die down. Their streaming services, games included, are jumping into overcrowded markets. They're fucked.

>>12601729
Based.

>>12601760
Unironically yes.

this surveymonkey Tivo pump is weak
sell it all

>>12601776
They didn't - it's when it hits daily shilling that gets old.

>>12601817
I don't shill it daily, I posted that in direct response to your claim that it was getting "btfo"

>>12601720
Just let it play out if the fundamentals of your analysis haven't changed. I myself, a bear, am slightly in the red atm, but that doesn't mean I am wrong in my analysis (at least for now). If you just acted on what some people on /biz/ said, then I would really rethink your strategy and may change your position.
Good luck fren.

>>12601770
I'm the three fund anon who gives people advice on how to fund their retirement accounts. Slow and steady. Ironically I got pushed over 300k mark by betting on Apple earnings yesterday.

>>12601795
>>12601783
well i won't be able to change your mind. but I have no doubt that AAPL will have to split its shares again in order to maintain the requisite price to stay in the DOW and not be overweight in the DJIA. Probably in 7 years when its price hits 500 again.

>>12601798
put it all into EAT

>>12601842
based 3 fund anon. may AAPL spoil you with riches for years to come

>>12601846
>tfw lunchbro hasn't posted in ages

>>12601846
I have my EATs
also my TACOs
Looking mainly at NATH, earning tommrow and great tasting Hotdogs

>>12601866
I miss him ;_;
he said he was getting a new job right? Maybe he'll come back one day, I want to see that beef salad he'd post again

>>12601872
I like Wendy's :3

All of you screaming that LCI is shitting the bed have no clue what is going on. Check the order flow.. check the L2.. theres a huge stale mate right now. shorts tried to bring it down yesterday to pull shares from weak hands.. this morning it shot up so quick because they tried to cover but L2 is super thin

this thread sometimes has such short sightedness it's unreal

>>12601887
filtered

>>12601887
the l2 hasnt been relevant in 30 years lmao

I also have my RH account, but it is equities and pic related is all vanguard that I put money in monthly. I deposited into this yesterday and my money didn't make it in. Fucking missed the start of the GBR

>>12601878
>I want to see that beef salad he'd post again

here you go

>yfw Powell announces 10 new rate hikes this year

>>12601917
That's offensive.

Should I be a project manager for a marijuana consulting firm in california

I wish people would stop impersonating me.. anyway, I've dumped all my LCI at a 15% loss.. I did some additional research and turns out it was a garbage company.. anywho.. just bought Sears.. I think they have the infastructure to compete with Amazon.. buy it or I'll kill myself..

>>12601917
WRONG salad! That's the taco salad, I want the asian one! It looked like larb or something, it was little shreddies of beef with long slices of red onion and cilantro

>>12601922
Powell doesn't even have the economic data yet from the shutdown. He isn't going to announce anything.

>>12601922
fucking based someone needs to btfo the wall street cucks

>>12601931
>just bought Sears.

>>12601933
damn
is it this one (nam tok, according to the archives)

>>12601964
that's a stock photo

DUDE WEED IS BACK

>>12601917
Where's the beef?

>>12601969
you're a stock photo

-50 minutes to the apocalypse

Alright whos the Small spec that bought into BGS and triggered the sellbot

>>12601975
you can see some sticking out right above the red chip

>>12601971
>Implying it was ever not

Prudes BTFO

>>12601917
>olives

>>12601899
it's actaully very relevant when you know what to look for... spread, certain market makers, order sizes from certain market makers.....

i guess if you don't have a L2 you don't know what to look for tho right?? one day when you have more than just a $500 Robinhood account you'll know

>>12600890
Ah come on. The short etfs still haven't hit my price target yet. Give us another month.

>>12601988
Ah, I see it now.

JPST is free on TDA and beats bank account yields, I'm going to use it as a comfy savings account. I'll probably pick up something with a higher yield after rate hikes stop

>>12601611
Tesla and Ford are pretty much dead in the water for the next recession.

>>12602023
yeah because institutions are going to show their hand to the world instead of using software to transact at opportune times. fucking retarded.

>one day when you have more than just a $500 Robinhood account you'll know
kys pleb

STEP BACK FROM THE DOT PLOT NICE AND SLOWLY MR POWELL

well boys, i think we're about to go back up

For people who don't live in the US. Do you buy stocks from your own markets or try to go for US ones?

>>12602055
cool bro we have around the same net worth...

I never fucking said institutions are going to show their order but the market makers will give a good hint as to where they're at.. when level 2 is one sided with MMs.. following the axe... when a certain MMs show only 100shares get hit 1,000 times and don't move... trust me.. i know what you are talking about but.. it has a lot of relevance if you know what to look for...

Institutions will use multiple MMs and you'll see that on the L2......

>>12602082
What country?

>>12602055
post proofs this is today. you could be the most wealthy poster on /smg/

>>12601931
You said you'd drop the trip when you finally sold

Time to hang it up

>>12602098
it doesn't matter, what's important is that LCIguy should be berated at all times

>>12602097
I'm from brazil.

>>12602111
i don't disagree

Thats intense

>>12602112
>brazil
you favalanon?

>>12602112
>I'm from brazil.

Piss off Davi

>>12602111
are you going to post something of use?

>>12602112
You should be able to open a brokerage account with Charles Schwab or something like that. You can invest from there just make sure you go to a legit brokerage account.

MGNA zoom zoom

>>12602120
KEK

>>12602153
>tfw no mermaid bf

>>12602123
no. i'm new here.

>>12602153
wtf

>>12602163
thanks for the tip

Daily reminder that BigFagGuy/LoserCuckIncel killed himself and others are imposters

>>12602153
that guy's just ripping off gravity falls

>>12602082
I live in the US.

My opinion is that you have a common bond with your countrymen & investing in your shared future is a moral good.
In addition, other country's laws are made for their people so you're always at risk putting your money there. For example, I don't invest in Chinese companies because I think eventually the Chinese are going to any seize any foreign assets they can get their hands on. That said, the US is pretty free market and we like Brazil so we're not going to mess with Br investors.
A third consideration is the size of the economies. The US's economy is huge. Eight of the largest 10 companies are US companies. US investors who put a lot of money in the US are still pretty diversified and have exposure to those very large companies. If you live in a tiny country and you put all your money in that country's economy, you're incredibly concentrated in one place and very overweight in small companies. Brazil's economy is pretty large: about 1/5 of the US. Even so, I'd worry about diversification.

Some would argue that the best portfolio is a whole world market-cap weighted etf like VTSAX. If you did that you'd be pretty heavily in the US. But, I'd probably put more money in my own country than an market cap weighted etf would.

ready for powell to send this piece of shit tumbling down?
pendulum, where you at, banklet? liquidate now or perish.

>>12601487
I wouldnt say there's no point. Theres a guarantee of steady growth and divvies as we find out everyone is dependent on the big boy telecoms for at least another decade.

Anyone else get fucked investing in Avco?

>>12602243
VTSAX is US companies only, kiddo

Are my REITs going to be kill again?

>>12602274
oops thanks anon

>>12602243
Just get exposure to emerging and developed markets with an ETF.

This is my breakdown on my IRA. >>12601904

>>12602163
>>12602217
Schwab is good, confirmed. I don't know how their service differs if you have a non-Burger account, but I've been happy with them for my IRA.

>>12602241
Gommie tripfag is ok (still an attention whore tho). Here is a picture I found, thought you would like it.

>>12602303
You just have to provide different documentation, but he should be fine getting the account.

How many people here don't max their IRA and just put money into RH? Most I bet.

>>12602309
top two panels are cute

>>12602243
Thanks for your input. Made me see things from a different perspective.
One of the reasons I've been thinking about investing in foreign markets is because I can't deal with a lot of Brazil's problem and have been getting ready to go to another country. I still love my country tho so I shouldn't just give up on it entirely

When is this old Jew cunt going to come out and raise rates so I can unload my SQQQ bags?

>>12602163
>You should be able to open a brokerage account with Charles Schwab
>>12602303
>Schwab is good


Can confirm. That is what I use as my main. Use the Schwab StreetSmartEdge desktop app. Schwab dows charge $4.95/trade as a commission fee. Nothing unreasonable I do not think.

Opened a bullshit robinhood account just play with, nothing serious on that one.

>>12602309
ah that brings me some deep nostalgia vibes. I think I was in the thread where that OC was first posted. ty anon

THREADLY REMINDER THAT ONLY MORONS AND WILLFULLY IGNORANT PEOPLE THINK COMMUNISM IS VIABLE

>>12602314
>How many people here don't max their IRA and just put money into RH?
Most people I know in real life get employer match for their 401k and they max that out. I don't think I've ever had someone tell me they have that option and don't take advantage of it. Of course, I don't know anybody from /biz/ irl, so...

>>12602314
i max my IRA every year then dump the rest of my $1000 monthly into Robinhood stuff

maybe ill eventually move my assets over to Vanguard so its all at one spot, but no need to pay the commissions twice a month right now

>>12602326
Our boy Powell is taking the market the new heights. He's a changed man

>>12602342
Yeah Communism may not be viable, but Socialism works great as long as there's still other people's money to spend.

>>12601487
5G is a fucking meme. It's hilarous the world is racing toward it, but it's gonna be shit like 3D TV's. Handsets are already fast enough. The market is SATURATED with headsets. Apple and handset produces are slashing guidance, revenues, and basically getting fucked.

There is nothing inevitable or guaranteed about 5G. There are serious health concerns from the EMF that haven't been investigated for fear of falling behind the curve.

People are poor growth is 1% in much of the Western world. Who is going to run out to throw a thousand dollars on a 5G phone for marginally faster porn streaming?

>>12602348
the vast majority of people dont use any of their 401k benefits, match or otherwise

40% or something of Americans have literally no savings, literally a negative net worth due to CC debt and car loans etc

having 5 figures of index funds that you dont sell puts you in like int he top 30% of americans immediately

>>12602360
socialism doesn't work either. social democracies work depending on the circumstances (low population, low diversity, relatively similar incomes), but thats using capitalism to fund programs for other people, that isn't socialism.

Do any of you faggots know if BA is going to go lower this week?

>>12602382
nobody can really know if something's going to happen until it does in the stock market

>>12602368
>>12602348
Most people I know that aren't over 40 don't use their 401k or IRA. They just don't invest period.

>>12602382
I doubt it, they had crazy good earnings even with 20% exposure to China.

>>12602396
exactly, most people fuck their lives ALL up

if you live into your 70s and arent born into obscene poverty, and are able bodied, not being rich by the time you pass away and having millions in assets is just pathetic.

Its trivially easy to save and generate millions and millions in index funds alone

>>12601232
I bought the top. Will I make it?

Also are all reporters fucking bears? Every time good news comes out, 2/3 of the articles are written like this https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/F7D48D78-24AA-11E9-B8F1-D0517DB88BC5.. What the fuck is their problem? This shit is getting to CNN orange man bad levels of bias.

>>12602406
I started investing late, but the "the best time to invest was yesterday" meme is true. I put in 1/3 of my paycheck every month.

>>12600885
>>12602361 has to think 5g will be 'transformative' to the economy
I'm curious what he means by that, considering that I can already stream video on my 4g connection. what could the average normie want beyond that? some sort of distributed meme network? I haven't looked much into 5g and just assumed it was simply faster connection (plus chinese hardware botnets[1]) so I'd love an explanation on what he means.

[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-29/u-s-message-to-world-with-huawei-case-don-t-trust-china-on-5g

>>12602342
Having some kind of social coordination of production is a far more viable and rational way to, say, figure out investment then a stock market. Anyone who posts in this thread at any regular interval can attest to the irrationality of capital markets.

>>12602326
>old Jew cunt
unironically kys yourself
powpow is literally the only goy in the FED chair in the history of ever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfsyZJh1qXs

livestream

12602393
don't fucking (you) me faggot

>>12602403
so are you a buy and hold at this price?

>>12601887

Are you too poor and lazy to buy all of the dogs of the dow? I know I am.
Just buy DOD!

>>12602431
5% rape hike he we come
take me I'm ready

no rate changes

>>12602421
based, me too. My savings rate is about 35%, wanted it to be closer to 50% but i dont make all that much money

The gravy train rolls on

The S&P 500 and its futures are facing hard ass resistance from the 100 EMA on the daily.

Good luck to bulls and bears. 100/200 crossover indicates we're in a downtrend until further notice.

Ohh.. oooohhh..

>>12602428
>social coordination
you want production at a standstill? give the people a vote on the means of production instead of the individual?

rational or not, capitalist markets allow for an efficient, growing economy because a free market automatically sets the price instead of people.

unless you can point to where communism was more efficient than capitalism (you can't because all forms of socialism and communism have proven to be vastly less efficient than capitalism)

with that, i'm done focusing on the ignorance of those who think communism or socialism is good, let alone viable

interest rates are staying unchanged

my body is ready powell-sama

>>12602421
>>12602441
we're gonna make it anon

WHAT WAS THAT?

what's the music on the powell rate hike stream? Its familiar but I cant place it, sounds almost like christmas music

thanks daddy powell

>>12602361
The big bucks in 5G are going to come from streaming large amounts of data, not faster send times for small shit we already get fast enough like audio through a headset.
Think more driverless cars, video streaming, videogame streaming either from a cloud server or from your home console/PC over long distance, improved rates of production for almost all IT services, etc.

bears BTFO yet again

stupid fucking nigger.

UHHHHHHHHH

Bears forever BTFO

>THE ABSOLUTE CITY OF BEARS RIGHT NOW

>>12602432
i'll (you) you as much as I want to

Bears hold this green dildo

WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT? MUMMY MUMMY AHAHHHAAA!

Trials233 on suicide watch

>Trump gets his QE
Thanks Powell.

IT JUST KEEPS PUMPING

12602486
filtered

i came

EVIL LAUGHTER

LCI went up 2 pennies on that pump. KEK

>>12602428
>Anyone who posts in this thread at any regular interval can attest to the irrationality of capital markets.
still kicks the dick out of any sort of command economy meme bullshit tho (fash OR gommie). that shit always crashes and burns fuckng HARD, because millions of people bidding in different directions, while it makes for a chaotic short term 100% of the time, is FAR less likely to misprice shit in the long term when compared to one super powerful, unelected bureau of retarded niggers who are pretending to play grand strategy games with the economy

https://www.investing.com/currencies/eur-usd

lmao

>>12602514
>thinking not changing interest rates is just a "pump"
wew

what a fucking corrupt kike, propping this POS up.
you stupid faggots buying the top will have your heads roll in due time.
nigger bullshit, what a fucking joke.

Federal Reserve issues FOMC statement
>Federal Reserve issues FOMC statement
Federal Reserve issues FOMC statement
>Federal Reserve issues FOMC statement
Federal Reserve issues FOMC statement


https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/pressreleases/monetary20190130a.htm

Highlights:

>Committee decided to maintain the target range for the federal funds rate at 2-1/4 to 2-1/2 percent. >Committee will be patient as it determines what future adjustments to the target range for the federal funds rate may be appropriate to support these outcomes.

we /stuck at 2%/ forever boys

>>12602480
wait for 270 senpaitachi
if it can hold that, its on

:^)

>>12602535

>>12602537
excuse me
2700

>>12602454
>you want production at a standstill?
A very bizarre critique. The issue with social coordination is that people won't exercise that power to actually invest things? Even in the USSR the level of investment and savings was far higher than in capitalist countries. The inefficiency came not from the coordination of investment, but from managers lacking incentive to implement new technologies and utilizing that investment.

>give the people a vote on the means of production instead of the individual?
Individuals today generally do not have a vote, unless you're name's bill gates or jeff bezos.

>unless you can point to where communism was more efficient than capitalism
All these things are historically contingent. British textile production wasn't more efficient than Indian production until they just invaded India and shut that shit down in the age of imperialism. Communism of the 20th century was acting to catch up to the advanced capitalist countries, and began from a stand point of semi-feudal development. Beginning from developed capitalist countries, as well with the non-market incentive systems that already exist in those countries, I don't see the same inefficiencies developing. It should be noted, even in Venezeula, the inefficiencies of the oil sector festered under both capitalist and socialist political parties. These things don't change with larger methods of coordination.

Who else getting motherfucking JUST'd right now?

>>12602435
would plough

>>12602546
pwofit how did you arrive at 270 SPY as a level? You looking at bid/asks from a long time ago? I agree btw, your prediction from a cupple weeks ago still seems true

GIVE DADDY POWELL YOUR ENERGY
\o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
THANK YOU DADDY POWELL

>>12602468
This is the 5G meme. Individuals do not need to stream giant hunks of data. Driverless cars do not need 5G. They need autonomous systems so when the 5G signal drops or the car ventures into rural places it still functions. Why do people fall for this shit?

Video streaming? Video game streaming? We already have this with 4G and Wifi. Faster IT? Nope, hardwired connections are still faster and more reliable for enterprise use.

5G is a shitty meme. People are not capped by speed anymore.

>>12602454
>rational or not, capitalist markets allow for an efficient, growing economy because a free market automatically sets the price instead of people.
It allows for a growing economy, but not an "efficient" one. If you consider how much labour is put into making that system go around and how much capital is wasted on stupid ideas (that thankfully usually get nipped in the bud), how much inefficiency that stems from oligopolies and de facto monopolies performing rent seeking with no pressure to improve service because they only need answer to their shareholders, not the people they serve (telecoms are prime example), how patents result in needless duplication of labor, rent seeking, stifling of innovation that builds on the works of others (both in technology and culture), how differing sectors have competing interests and sometimes also interests that are at odds with the interests of the population due to the primacy of the profit motive (for example mining companies not trying to limit ecological damage because why should they its not their problem)... there's countless shit like that. The growth aspect also ignores externalities like ecology, population sustainability, etc.

The question is whether the very high inefficiency that exists in capitalism is actually not really that high compared to some alternative system. Personally I'm on the fence on that one.

>>12602552
read red plenty

This economy and this market is the strongest it has ever been in history and we have low interest rates and Donald Trump to thank. We should drop interest rates to something like -10% and show the world what a truly healthy economy is capable of.

>>12602536
Ah perfect.

I'll by buying short positions by the end of the week at this rate.

>we /stuck at 2%/ forever boys
give it a couple months.

DOW back to 25000

Get absolutely fucking fucked, bearfags.

>>12602500
jej

>>12602568
reminder that 5g is a chinese botnet

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-29/u-s-message-to-world-with-huawei-case-don-t-trust-china-on-5g

Where is the SQQQuad at? KEK

THEY CANT STOP THE BUYING, EVEN CRAMER DOESNT KNOW WHAT TO THINK

DOUBLE ALL ORDERS
DOUBLE ALL ORDERS
DOUBLE ALL ORDERS

>>12602572
read an economic history of the USSR by Nove. hell, take a class on comparative economics.

China trade deal surely not gonna fly...
Mueller report out soon...
Mommy, I don't feel too good...

>>12602514
That guy has a helluva close shave.

>>12602555
F
rest in peace, bears

HOLY SHIT!!

>>12602568
yeah dude 640k ram ought to be enough for anyone and anything

>>12602585
im just recommending you a book anon. its an interesting book and I think youd like it. you're so dismissive that its extremely painful to talk to you at all

>>12602608
>>12602608

Earnings Days are the only days i wish well for facebook

>>12602584
is there a youtube stream of cramer? i want to see him freaking out

can we get me to 900 for the day please?

>>12602608
>>12602608
>>12602608
NEW THREAD
4chan submitted my last post before I was done typing it out

>>12602406
Why would you want to pass away with millions? My plan is to have millions in debt when if I die.

>>12602620
nah, i was just referencing this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=079RCUtk8s4

>>12602642
fucking kek that video never gets old

>>12602516
The allocation of investment in command economies was one of their most rational and successful features (Mao's great leap forward being one idiotic exception). It was the larger incentive structures and pricing schemes that were largely failures. In fact, it was the USSR in the 20s that first even broached the economic theory question of what criteria the government should use for allocating investment, pretty much founding the entirety of modern developmental economics. The west wouldn't come to grapple with these questions for another 30-40 years. And indeed, even developing capitalist countries have been forced to resort to these measures in order to catch up. Japan, South Korea, China, Taiwan, they all had state some high level of state coordination of investment in order to industrialize.

>>12602562
1) muh keltner channels on the daily
2) take a look at the volume at price in this 265 to 275 range. this is the big trading range for the past year. the selling pressure dries up above it and gets worse below it
3) S&P just has a tendancy to bounce off even numbers like that cuz muh trader psychology an shieet

ill also go on record and say that not continuing hikes isnt quite the good news that everyone seems to be making it out to be. at least not in the long run. i agree with the decision desu as i think more rates rn would sink us, but i also really think were gonna need the extra ammo when we need to drop rates

>>12602603
I didn't say i wouldn't read it, although I'm very busy and have a long list at the moment. I'm just frustrated that so many people lack a basic grasp of how the soviet economy actually functioned.

>>12602594
You can always utilize more system resources. Network speed is different. It's the pipe going to your house. If you use 500 gallons of water a week, a 2 foot diameter pipe is unnecessary, expensive and a large opportunity cost.

Back when 2G was rolling out we already had streaming video, but it was limited to desktops. Now there is parity between desktops and handsets and that's where mobile network demand tops out.

Noooooo not Powell

>>12602508
KEK, dat pic

We're reaching levels of dead cat bounce that shouldn't be possible

I’m up 5% on MNGA. Sell now or wait for 0.3?

>>12603432
I'm waiting until tomorrow to see if my 2k shares are worthless or if I can fix my AVCO losses.