/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>12548304
it's to prevent jews from taking all of the land without paying for sitting on it

>>12548309
Yes, it's those ebil jooz.

Retard

>>12548319
kys

>>12548309
the jews already own all the fucking land rtard,

>>12548323
and the government you pay the taxes too

>>12548304
>unironically believing those with wealth shouldn't be pressured to produce goods for society via a tax that prevents them from resting on their laurels
>unironically not understanding how an expanded 2% wealth tax would increase economic growth while ensuring a stable future
>inadvertently arguing for the rule of aristocracies

reddit please leave

>>12548350
fuck you socialist piece of shit

>>12548350
>forcing people to work for arbitrary ideas like "the good of society"
You are reddit

>>12548365
what was that?
Sorry, I couldn't hear you over all my freedom of opportunity and the glorious heraldry of my children having a future free from classism.

>>12548350
>>unironically believing those with wealth shouldn't be pressured to produce goods for society via a tax that prevents them from resting on their laurels
lets explore step by step
>those with wealth
how does someone else having wealth make you worse off? why is someone elses wealth any of your business?
>pressured to produce
translation: coerced and forced by the violent mafia of the state
>for society
there is no such thing as society, only individuals. Please show me the entity you call society that we should be producing for, or do you mean the greedy, parasite class such as your self?
>via a tax
via theft
>that prevents them from resting on their laurels
that prevents them from enjoying the benefit of their private property at the expense of no one else

>>12548380
please explain how nike and coca cola pose any threat to my liberty

>>12548375
>misquoting me this hard
I said goods for society. Like tangible products.
Thats much different than arguing for some moral cuckoldry.

You're even worse than reddit pinko scum.
Not only arguing for Aristocracy, but somehow believing it "will be different this time."

>>12548398
>sucking Thatcher's cock this hard
>while also being rectum ravaged by Reagan
good lord man, please stop while you're ahead

Under capitalism, wealth is power. Those with wealth are using it to exert power on those below them, as is only rational. At the very least, they have market power to the point they can manipulate artificially restrict access to goods and services.

>violent mafia of the state
Soon to be replaced by the violent mafia of Cartels, Oligarchs, and hired mercenaries.
what's your point? Do you believe we can live in a world without violence?

>there's no society, only individuals
>while simultaneously grouping people by class
holy fuck, we're reaching levels of cognitive dissonance that shouldn't be possible

>tax is theft
look at your money m8
it says right on it that is property of the central bank and treasury.
it's not yours to begin with.
It's essentially chuck e cheese tokens and you're getting upset that they raised the price on your favorite cabinets. if you were smart you'd be arguing for better games, not lower prices.
It's truly that property is theft.

No one's preventing you from using the benefits of your private property m8, they're just making sure you pay the dues for ensuring your right to keep that property.
If you believe that your rights also don't come with responsibilities, you're even more retarded than your Gadsden flag indicates.

>>12548304
OH SAY CAN YOU SEE

>>12548350
You legitimately don't understand how a fucking fractional reserve banking economy works.

With real estate tax you're just paying rent to the state instead of a private individual/company.
It's called "your property", but if you have to pay a lifelong rent for keeping it then the real estate is not really yours.

When you purchase a property you get sort of a recognition from the state that no other private individual can claim it from you.

The state still keeps sovereignty over your land/real estate, since you can't levy an army large enough to challenge the state's monopoly on violence (under normal conditions).

The taxation of real estate also has to do with the fact that land is a unique and limited resource, which cannot be replicated (unlike consumer goods), therefore the state tries to create disadvantages to those who are trying to hoard it.

>>12548304
>paying land/property tax literally exists across the world
>muh murica

>>12548304

>be american
>"own land"

You're actually leasing it from the government.

Fuck this shit!!!

>>12548511
>this much of a non-sequitur
please educate me then

>>12548551
You could always move somewhere else where the government doesn't provide you with services and defenses to ensure the occupation of your piece of ground.
Please tell me how that goes for you.

>>12548497
all my wealth is stored in gold. also what has the monetary system got to do with with your statement that private property is theft, your text is completely non contingent. Please define theft to me without using the concept of property.

This applies to every 1st world country as far as I know

>>12548572
theft is anything that wastes the resources that the sweet lord bestowed on this earth for his beloved children to steward.
God Almighty provided enough on this planet for all of man's needs, but not all of man's greeds.

>>12548652
>theft is anything that wastes the resources that the sweet lord bestowed on this earth for his beloved children to steward
okay now define waste

>>12548652
also
>being a Christian and a communist
now thats an identity crisis and a half, nice mental gymnastics to get those to things to fit together

>>12548656
>devolved the conversation to a repeated definitions of even the most basic terms

so, you're saying I'm the winner?

>>12548679
no im saying what is waste, you retard deffinition of theft is highly subjective

>>12548656
An idiot that fights for state monopolized violence, while foregoing there power by giving it to bureaucratic state they bootlick for a better mismanaged “good”
That’s waste
>>12548652
See above

>>12548686
>devolved the conversation to the hell hole of increasing subjectivity

so you are, in fact, saying I'm the winner?

>>12548309
The Jews already own the government we pay the taxes too rtard

>>12548721
nice argument retard

>>12548350
NatSol go back to pol

The absolute state of 4chanfags.

Property taxes are used to pay for things like sewage, fire, police, city workers, schools etc.

I hope everyone in this thread is 18 because you faggots know nothing.

>>12548730
>unironically believing the conversation still hinges on arguments
>further devolving the conversation to ad homs

please stop, I can't take it anymore, I never asked for this level of being the winner.

>>12548762
ah yes, I forgot reason and logic are incompatible with leftists. subhuman leftist

>>12548782
>resorts to the "reason and logic" reddit meme
>doesn't acknowledge reason and logic have been a long standing tradition of leftists questioning the validity of power structures
>still makes the argument anyway

please please, I can't take it anymore.

Has anyone else noticed that since early 2018 this board has been infested by socialists? This place was literally Ancap central during the bullrun and now we have a dozen of these commie thread derails a day.

>>12548836
>yfw you realize the socialists were always here
>yfw you realize it's just that the fairweather capitalists lost, gave up, and went back to /v/

>>12548836
You think Commies are managing their time wisely? Nope instead they’re dolts trying manage other people’s time and power, posting like batshit. But comparably powerless in the end, that’s why they need a new hierarchy they complain about to take it

>>12548309
It would actually make it easier for huge corporations who have a large constant income to own a lot of land instead of the working class being able to pay for a nice house with land

>>12548818
The funniest thing about leftists is that you retards think that you're the good guys while creating laws and regulations that discriminate against the real disadvantaged people, the people living in third world countries, all you want is to keep american and european workers privileges, which are already part of the global 1%, and don't give a fuck about how that hurts the rest of the world. First world leftists are the cancer of this world.

>>12548836

Capitalists lost the war
Nobody is going to stand up for them if they don't get theirs, simple as that.

>>12548762
Theft = To deprive an individual of their private property or benefits of their private property without their consent

Derivative definitions needed to understand theft:
Private property = An entity which belongs to an individual (meaning they have sole control over said entity) as a matter of legal and moral right

Derivative definitions needed to understand private property rights:
Private property rights = The original right to property of an entity is the consequence of the effort that went into the production, stewardship or invention of said entity. Since value is subjective and dependant upon mans perception any material element or resource which of is of value only has said value as a result of the human mind that has envisioned it - the original property is created and is de faco in the possession of the creator, as they have acquired it originally without the use of violence but through their own effort - it is an extension of their mind. In plain English 'The underpinning of a right to property is the right to life. The ability to own and use the products of your labor is a requirement of life. Denying someone your means of survival is not coercive, it is proper.' From here property becomes an exchangeable entity that can, through voluntary transactions, be exchanged with others.
Theft = anything that wastes the resources that the sweet lord bestowed on this earth for his beloved children to steward

Derivative definitions needed to understand theft:

Waste = pic related

Bestowed = Nothing is bestowed, everything must have been created and earned

To Steward = pic related

>>12548976
How can you declare a war won when you haven’t put millions of people that would put you in the fucking ground to grow grass. You don’t even have a monopoly on violence only bitching

>>12549004

Its not a literal war, but a war on ideals. When there is no middle class in the future and living standards collapse, socialism will gain favor. Capitalism was strongest when there was a middle class. That's why keeping the poor fed and having cheap entertainment is in the best interests of the rich. They are testing the limits of what they can get away with lately though.

>>12548982
>conjurs up a bunch of arbitrary, selfserving gobblygook that ultimately doesn't disrupt the argument that ultimately doesn't lead anywhere
>resorts to the grey man facebook meme

dear god, I wish I lived in a capitalist shithole where I had to work 7 days a week. Then I might have something to distract me from all this winning.

>>12549031
when you reject the basic tool that separates humans from animals, namely reason, and most fundamental moral foundations of human community, namely the right to life and the right to property, you lower your self to the leave of an animal.
Socialists are subhuman animals.

>>12548304
Unique among the states, about 2/3rds of Alaska is unincorporated. In 2/3rds of Alaskan territory, land is dirt cheap and you pay no property taxes on it, nor income taxes, in fact you get oilbux FROM the state and 100% of your theft is by the federal government.

This kills the mutt

>>12548350
What? Your socialist ideals IS Reddit.

>>12549072

There is no right to life or property under either system. Both have different methods of gatekeeping. If you want this mythical system you'll want to look elsewhere, this ain't it.

>>12549112
how is there no right to life under free market capitalism? you are free to exercise your means of survival completely free from violence or coercion

>>12549072
>most fundamental moral foundations of human community
>still rejects the value of the "common good" and other "social values"
>still hasn't defended his complacency in aristocratic tyranny

ladies and gentlemen, this is what it looks like when your brain has been exposed to pure, unadulterated capitalist ideology for too long.
he's likely beyond saving.

>>12549110
you don't really know what socialism is about do you?
and you haven't been on reddit lately have you?

>>12549025
Socialism will never gain favour in a globalized world, because the people you are trying to milk for your gibs can just get the fuck out your socialist shithole.

Also socialist economies will always be millions times more inefficient because socialism discourages saving and investing, and there can be no growth without investment.

>>12549155
present a good argument for the 'common good' and 'social values' then and we will listen, please try and justify how violence against individuals is a morally acceptable thing

>still hasn't defended his complacency in aristocratic tyranny
nice strawman, all examples of monopoly of any form are caused by the state. Please give a few examples of a monopoly in a free market that has managed to survive longer than the blink of an eye

>>12549025
>Testing the limits of what they can get away with
This applies to Socialist and Commies to you know. And when your ideas are less efficient then one in a marketplace your not really winning the thought battle or violence battle

>>12549159

Well you're half right. US will never be socialist in our lifetimes, and as long as the powerful don't become socialist, the rest won't follow. The rich fucking off somewhere won't matter if the most powerful countries adopt a different system, which would cause the biggest wealth transfer in history. Now you probably understand why people like crypto so much? I'm not a socialist myself, but I understand the appeal of overthrowing the system.

>be euro
>have to pay annual car tax
>about 1k euro for an 8 cyl

taxes way worse in europe

>>12549212

I haven't noticed much leftism except the same people from leftypol or reddit shit posting, it's hardly anything. The war is a long one, but inevitable that capitalism will collapse at some point unless the middle class grows like in the past and that the poor are provided for at the bare minimum. The socialist bit I grabbed from polls showing younger people being more in favor of it, even older Millenials who should've turned conservative and capitalist. This is because they don't have middle class status like their parents did, so they have no skin in the game. No one will stand up for a capitalist system unless they see fruits of their labor.

>>12549222
>implies taxes should be lower
>wants more folks driving cars around all willynilly

you know its a good thing this type of behavior is discouraged right.
Some of us actually enjoying riding bikes and walking around, some of us even like letting our children play outside.

>>12549218
With crypto governments will have way less power to tax individuals, go ahead and tax my bitcoins I bought OTC. What are you talking about?

>>12548350
go fuck yourself

I understand if the tax is low or if the tax is only for people with house prices like $5m+ or if a person has more than 5 houses or something lile that. A 1% tax a year should be max imo.

Of course the reality is that the goverment will tax everything as much as possible.

land taxes and tariffs are the only 2 morally defensible taxes

>>12549257

Overthrowing our current system is all I ever cared about. Whether crypto or socialism does it first I don't care. But I would prefer crypto a bit more because I have an actual stake in it.

>>12549244
Instead of worrying about having skin in the game you should be worried about getting skinned raw. A gaurentee at this point. Socialism has no market to buy yourself out of hell faggot

>>12548309
What a fucking mouthbreathing brainlet

>>12549352

That's why I'd prefer crypto to come out on top. I wouldn't be invested in it if I didn't want it to win over other "solutions" to capitalism.

>>12549434
Well unless math and cryptography are banned
You can’t say capitalism in the fourm of crypto is going away, it’s WINNING

>>12548350
If that were the case they could simply remove the property tax from your first single-acre residential home. They do not. The system is there to get your money.

>>12549248
Statist eurocuck confirmed. Driving is freedom and autonomy.

>>12549824
Spotted the high schooler. Driving is dangerous and gets old quickly.

>>12548309
we are reaching levels of cope that shouldn't even be possible.

>>12549867
I'm 27 next week you cuck. Dealt with NYC mass transit for decades, never relying on it again. I scoff at anyone who willingly subjects themself to a sardine commute crammed next to ratchets and bums.

>>12549824
actually it's not because the government owns your car and you have to pay them taxes to own it. freedom is an illusion.

>>12549867
Driving is also quite fun and only a women and sõyboys thinks of it as a chore. I also deliver pizza as a side hustle and love every minute of it. Easiest money ever.

>>12549946
Have fun taking mass transit next time a natural disaster hits and your family gets evacuated.

>>12549948
Yeah, you definitely have not driven more than a year

>>12549923
Just got your loicense?

>>12549976
License since I was 18, been driving daily for around 6 years now, delivering food for the last 4 years.

>>12550002
Lmao. Driving 35 for several hours a night. Real thrilling...

>>12548304
>Doesn't know what an allodial title is

>>12549342
Except crypto is the total opposite of socialism, the current system is practically socialism, the government controls way more than half of the total wealth in the economy, with crypto they won't control shit.

>>12550044
Well aging boomers should probably get off the road before they accidentally kill someone. I'll be driving my parents everywhere when they get too old.

>>12549962
they own your car and their goons will pull you over and tax you even more if you dare think your free enough to go over that arbitrary speed limit sign.

>>12548761
If all these services are paid for by property tax wtf are we paying 30% of our incomes in income tax?

>>12549248
Gold star! Upvote!

>>12550131
The interest on 22 trillion dollars of debt

>>12550195
Here's an interesting theory. It's probably just conspiracy but god i wish it were true.

>>12550129
I speed every day, no problems ever.

>>12550287
Same, I like the theory of something happened and the gov is playing dumb
But we would see insider trading by now

>>12548309
>a small number if people might attempt to buy a lot of land!
>to stop the ultra wealthy we need to tax everyone
Government jew

>>12548350
Reddit is full of communist fags. You should be the one to leave

>>12549248
The eternal cuck. More taxes, more refugees, more bike riding

>>12550287
Nice for the US but what about the rest of the world?
All countries are in the same shit more or less. Also the US has been sitting on advanced tech for several decades now. Will you burgers share the free energy?

You lease website domains too fuck

>>>/pol/

>>12550287
How the fuck can your brain be so smooth as to consider that fanfic an interesting theory and not just ramblings of an insane person or a troll?

>>12549248
You were going good for a while now, but this is obvious bait now. I'll give you a 7/10.

>>12548304
thats the thing that you dont like? a thing thats actually good? holy shit murifats are stupid

>>12551028
it's the qanon thing, you have to keep in mind that it was heavily promoted on fox news hence the increase in retards here.

>>12549824
>Pay for gas
>Pay for insurance
>Pay for fixes when something breaks every 6 months
>Pay for registration even if you don't drive your car
>Asset depreciates precipitously in the meanwhile
Such freedom
Much autonomy