/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>12492066
Any NVDA bulls/bears in the thread? What's your take on the company and the stock right now?

>>12492091
I'd be bull NVDA long term, they're the main bois in the graphics processing field (which includes other markets other than gaming), and its competitors are lackluster

NVDA's stock price is cyclical with CryptoCurrency industries' boom and bust. I would just follow the trends from there.

>>12492066

Tesla buyout when?

>>12492099
Level five vehicle automation is the holy grail that can propel Nvidia upwards, the question is, can the grail be found? The competitors are basically non-existent, especially ML-wise.

>>12492101
Huang said only ~4% of sales were driven by crypto, but I do think they underestimated it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsCqmotxyME

Sugarcookie scented sōy blended essential Oil

Well fuck, according to my latest 401k statement for the last quarter I'm down almost 5k. Due to the market shit fest. God I hope the market recovers in a big way so I can make up the lost dough and gain some

>>12485043
>>12484278

>Water
Based as hell.

>>12492066
hoping for a PCG buying opportunity on tuesday

>>12492164
i don't worry about my 401k, its designed for long term big growth.

focus on your taxable play money brokerage instead, thats what i do.

>>12492148
l feel i would've done something completely different in that situation... i also probably wouldn't of lost control of my arrow

me first attempt at graduating from MSpaintt

>>12492220
It looks really bad

>>12492091
The time to buy was 2 weeks ago.

>>12492164
You should sell out of the market for now whole volatility is so bad. Buy back in once the market starts rising consistently

>>12492164
>God I hope the market recovers in a big way
you should be praying for a crash while you're still contributing.

>>12492240
@_@
ok this am hard
screw this going back to /dd/

>>12492401
buying as we go down and buying as we go up is so based

you end up with a sick average price if you buy good index funds or blue chippers, its the only true way to make gains

>>12492407
dd is pointless for you
You took too much amphetamine and blew out your account this week. This was all apart of my plan for you

am i the only one here who buys shit and makes potentially life ruining decisions with pretty much no research or DD

>>12492532
Nope, all the research I do is hitting the 1 month graph

>>12492532
if you believe the market is pretty efficient (i do), your research and DD don't really matter because all available information is already baked in, and the price is risk adjusted.

>>12492557
also this. the tren is your fren

>>12492532

This was me when I first started. No concept of support/resistance, overbought/oversold, or anything at all to do with fundamentals, financials, sector cyclical trends or any of it. I just picked stuff I thought had a good idea going and made spastic moves between positions based on whim.

It went well at first and I thought I was a genius. Then it did not go well at all and I lost every cent of profit I made before. Then I learned and I got better.

>>12492532
I don't even want to invest in the stock market it's just the "most effecient way to grow wealth" blah blah blah Jew shit.

I wish welfare was good in America.

>>12492532
>>12492561
>if you believe the market is pretty efficient (i do), your research and DD don't really matter because all available information is already baked in, and the price is risk adjusted.
lmao

>>12492220
Download gimp

>>12492647
if you were smarter than the market you'd be rich, but you're not. weird

Is now a good time to start accumulating safe consumer staples?

Stocks I've been eyeing are:

PEP
KHC
K

>>12492679
DG. Always good time to buy DG

>>12492685
Not sure how I feel about DG it seems there are a trillion dollar stores and I haven't walked into one in a long time.

>>12492679
Buy colgate and GIS

>>12492721
poor NPCs shop at Dollar General and Dollar Tree and shit all the time bro

its not about us patricians here investing, its about the paycheck to paycheck NPCs

>>12492671
I'm not rich, but I'm making better returns than 10% yearly

But have fun with your 'efficient market no DD gambling'

>>12492855
I need trump to pull his dick out here to shit on the desk while saying the market is going to fail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d-3BcYXADc

>>12492855
>But have fun with your 'efficient market no DD gambling'
i've fun with it over the last 10 years (among other things like asset allocation and rebalancing quarterly), which is why i'm retired now. enjoy your luck while it lasts.

>>12492855
>>>r/investing

If you want to be involved from the ground up in a special purpose vehicle DAO with the sole purpose of controlling a cayman company controlling various shell companies that raise money for low hanging fruit infrastructure projects, car parks, student accommodation etc. through issuing security tokens under SEC regulation D, then please join discord dot gg/tdTC5JF it’s an open DAO forum to create a dividend paying commercial enterprise.,

>>12492532
I do a lot of research into stocks that i want to take a position in that i plan on holding for awhile.. i don't do much research into stocks when i'm just making a 1-5 day trade based on technicals and market sentiment... For example, if a sector takes off and all these shit companies go flying.. i don't put a lot of research into it, i just trade it.. if i feel it's overbought or over extended i just buy some puts and go about my other trades...

>>12492922
I gamble on options too, faggot.

>>12492894
I see you're having a great retirement, bragging about making gains blindly buying index funds over a 10 year bullrun on 4chan.

>>12492647
This.

>>12492939
seething, stay poor

Interesting compromise from Trump.

>>12492561
>if you believe the market is pretty efficient (i do)
Nowadays the price almost entirely relies on Central Bank liquidity.

AT&T is down for everyone in my town. Wtf is going on?

>>12493049
Both of you guys are right.

>>12493057
IT'S HAPPENING

>>12493062
Patrician take. Just bought 100K.

Movie night tonight! We plan on watching apocalypse now after last week's pick
9:30 mountain time
>>12493062
Based

>>12493057
whats going on is this dick

>>12493087
same, market buying 250k SPY Tuesday morning

>>12493045
Dems have turned politics into a religion; there's no deal that they'll accept and no compromise that they'll make. If the Dems were politicking like they should be, they could *easily* get $10-20 billion for schools, environmental restoration, clean energy, or whatever other pet project they're interested in--but they're throwing the opportunity away because orange man bad and concrete bad.

>>12493198
I think if they turn this down, it will anger the public and independents will move on Trump's side. I'm sure there's enough midwest and southern dems who will take this. However, politics these days seems to be more random and unpredictable. Who knows what will happen.

>MEXICO IS GONNA PAY FOR THE WALL
>TAX PAYERS WILL PAY FOR THE WALL
>WHAT WALL? IT COULD BE A FENCE
>WE WILL LET DACA AND TPS SLIDE
>FENCE? YOU DONT NEED THAT
>MAKE IMMIGRATION GREAT AGAIN
>ART OF THE DEAL

>>12493198
It's hardly an issue of religious sanctimony, their calculus is simple, Trump is getting the blame for the shut down therefore it should go on as long as possible.

That said they may still take the deal because as grim said, this changes the calculus since if don't it may get people to think they are the ones responsible.

>>12493217
for real trump needs to start doing something chad soon, it's depressing

>>12493239
nothing about Senor Trump is Chad, hes the ultimate beta

>>12492497
dd for me = watching replays of this weeks dom and paper trading them

w-whats the next step in your master plan @_@ ???

>>12493299
>paper-trading while knowing the future

>>12493299
>paper trading

Anyone here actually taking a chance on the government shutdown to just not do taxes this year?

>>12493320
>>12493361
let her have this one, it's probably the least sinful thing she attains pleasure from.

>>12493198
Trump doesn't understand that he's not a political deal maker.
Government shutdown means more illegal aliens. Meanwhile they get to slander him all they want, AND he's being forced to compromise.
Because that's what the Republican party is all about. Never winning, just 'compromise.'
Don't think I've forgotten about that bump-stock ban, either.

I'm going to replace my bond ETFs with preferred shares ETF PGF

So glad I bought SPY puts on close at Friday. Tuesday is going to be bloody. The government shutdown has no end in site. The government and the country is divided. Millions of government employees are about to go on assistance. This will implode the economy. We have never had no government for this long. Nobody knows how badly this will impact the economy but we do know it will be catastrophic. This could be the downfall of the USA.

>>12493320
>>12493361
lissten you little poops am trading small pricee plays that only last 1 or two seconds no way for remember these

this is how you suckseed as a daytrader maybe you can learrn something here

>>12493493
>he is going to short the bottom

>>12493217
to be fair if we confiscated all remittances from current latamerican immigrants we could make "them" pay for it

it would be a disaster for latamerican economies though, not to mention it would spook foreign investment across the board, fucking up america's place as best place in the world to put their money

tariffs could have payed for it as well, in theory, but NAFTA 2.0 kinda shelves that idea before it even began

also devils advocate: when he said wall he could have meant a metaphorical "wall"
although i highly doubt thats what he meant

>>12493483
just kidding I'm not going to do that

>>12492066
Fuck it. The shutdown isn't ending after all.

>>12493578
really? Cause PGF is way better than any 5% bond etf

>>12493299
thats for me to know and you to find out

You people realize that "government shutdown" means jack shit except politicians get paid vacation, right?

>>12493634
just kidding I'm going to, I typed the wrong thing into trading view

>>12493634
In terms of portfolio %, how much is too much to put into BST ratsu? Is 35% too much?

>>12493653
Why not buy the individual issues or get PFF over PGF?

>>12492165
Water utilities are my favorite utilities

>>12493674
Because PGF is better than PFF, DUH
Also buying preferred shares etf is to store money in for a safe thing long term, individual preferred shares carry more risk

>>12493667
I mean look, Im no high yield professional
I think you should just buy the fucking Food stocks because youll get a high yield on cost by 2022 and theyll actually have capital appreciation.

If you really want high yields, go 10% USA, 10% BST 10% SPXX ect and just go up to 40%

>>12493690
Thx bby
I honestly just have a hard on for BST because it's tech related, and 6% pay out really isn't that high

>>12493686
But PFF has lower expenses, higher yield, and more liquidity.

>individual preferred shares carry more risk
Not really. Like bond ETF's with bond maturities, you don't get the benefit of a fixed return of principal when the shares eventually get called. Moreover, you have greater interest rate risk in real terms.

>>12493708
Yeah BST is dank and all,
I just like the pajeet Nuveen X's because its covered calls so its technically the safest closed end funds for their performance, contrary to Blackrocvks supposed picks over 2017

QQQ...X Pretty cool stuffkek. Obviousl;y you arent going to be buying 100 QQQ shares so this a good option for dank returns

>>12493724
I mean the expenses and higher yields are within tenths of a %, so is it really that significant? PGF also out preformed PFF by 10% in the last 5 years, and represents the best sector of the economy: the financial sector
>>12493743
The thing abbout QQQX and the rest of the x's is that they underpreformed the actual index which is... disapointing...

>>12493778
I did compassion of all the funds within that range of yield and I believe the Nuveen X's are the 2nd best

Its literally impossible to beat the real QQQ. Better to compare them to Bonds and European Indices lol

>>12493578
Great joke, kid

Is this the crash or is there going to be another?

Someone to explain something about candle heating? I’m a daytrader and i really want to know more about it to improve my trade and my performance

>>12493446
Imagine the whole country not doing taxes. Damn, what would happen? They can't arrest everyone! I guess most cucks get their paycheck fleeced each week though by signing up for it. A lot of people count on their return each year to survive which is a pleb move.
>Exempt goes in all fields

>>12494052
Taxes are just a reminder that you aren't truly free. They're not your "fair share," they're an obligation held up by gunpoint so the government has enough fake indicators of value to justify importing people who want to kill you.

>>12493879
It's still happening. We are in a bear market. I don't see it going too much lower than Christmas eve, however. SPY 3000 EOY

Jan 21 2019

January 2019 Lunar Eclipse

Description
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can i get a price update on lean hogs

>>12493509
I'm really gonna hate the day my dementia progresses far enough that I talk like you.

Do you guys think TSLA will go lower?

>>12494207
61.19 per contract. Up a smidge from previous day.

Oil/gas is trending super bullish lately.

>>12494514
Ask magic 8 ball.

I'm so glad I was born in America
>>12489565

me wish there were such thing as Onions Sauce Futures
would be the queen of trading onions sauce

>>12494753
OMG

sóy sauce futures

GALT starting to feel weirdly super bullish.

>>12494793
I can't wait to repeatedly post all the screencaps I have of people talking shit about it if/when a partnership or BO happens

>>12494817
I've got 744 shares and thinking about adding more. I have to compromise on something else though.

I kind of want about 5k dollars worth.

>>12494817
I can't wait till dilution happens and you drop 50% over night

hi fags, im a market maker in options. im bored as fuck so ask me anything options related you wanna know

>>12494866
i have £15000 from father's death, what are options

>>12494866
why haven't you bought LCI yet

>>12494882
exotic ways for you to lose your fathers money

This Dog reminds me of Big 5 Guy

>>12494866
When people make like 10x returns on options, are they exercising the contracts to buy the shares and then selling off the stock after?

>>12494898
saved

>>12494866
fucking this>>12494884

>>12494866
this >>12494900
What are the main strategies successful option traders use?

>>12494911
buy high sell low

>>12494900
very little retail traders, actually exercise options. the large returns are simply due to the fact that option returns are just larger in magnitude relative to the stock.

>>12494912
nice, thanks bought 69k

I really want the market to tank so that we can get to shooting each other already.
Come on Trump. Do something fun. Like try to excise the country from Jewish-banker power.

>>12494866
will i be able to excersise my $51 call options on FSLR next friday

>>12494911
i wouldnt say there is any type of strategy that is inherently better than the other, they all have their uses. However, most regular idiots severely underestimate the risk of being naked short options. That being said, being short implied volatility has proven to be very profitable. Index options especially are constantly overpriced.

>>12494905
Is this you on cocaine?

>>12493446
i'm gonna do them but i'm gonna cheat like a motherfucker

>>12494933
>Like try to excise the country from Jewish-banker power.
>trump
>excising the country from banker power
lol
Mnuchin and Otting were some of the greasiest operators int he wake of the 2008 financial crisis.

Movie night @ this address at 9:30 ish mountain

there is nothing wrong with rubbing penises with your bestie

>>12494933
the rothschilds bailed him out
https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-wilbur-ross-commerce-20161208-story.html

Ivanka Trump also dated Nat Rothschild.

Trump never wanted to drain the swamp. He is the swamp. An owned asset.

Long weekend huh, What the fuck u guys gonna do on monday

>>12495071
Research positions for Tuesday I guess.

>>12495066
All presidents are owned assets. All democracies are corrupt.

>>12495071
The same thing I always do.
Short, Gold and Long like I was playin' roulette

>>12495106
tfw capitalism always corrupts democracies. it's the rational course for groups or individuals with capital power to make it so in order to obtain advantages against other economic players, including tax payers

how do we escape this? how do we solve the governance problem?

Flipped my standing limit order of SLV for a standing limit order of SDS at 35 bucks. I expect we are approaching prime shorting opportunities.

>>12495106
Not a democracy. Don't need it. Don't want it.

>>12495126
>>12495106
It's simple, you destroy capitalism and democratize economic power.

>>12495126
They only get away with it while times are the majority of the population are living it up and not experiencing any hardship so they aren't being held accountable.

Now that things are starting to go to shit and the corruption is actually starting to destroy lives people are waking up and paying more attention. Trump was the first hint of this. Politicians will start being held more accountable were put on watch. The only problem is the country is divided into two radically different groups that want radically different things.

So probably civil war of some sort.

>>12495139
>>12495106
We don't live in a democracy. We live in an oligarchic republic. Before that, it was an aristocratic republic.

>>12495147
Considering that the divide in terms of culture is largely urban versus rural, I don't think it's the kind of thing to lead to civil war unless you're expecting republicans to start studying Mao Zedong.

>>12495106
How is it a democracy when there are only two parties, all of which come from the same power group/Old Families dating back to the founding fathers that continued to enforce the same preordained agendas despite whoever is in power during the time with zero input from the citizenry?
More like a Deliberate Kleptocracy, the later stage of a republic

>>12494945

we need a Sulla to end the republic and bring about the empire

>>12495194
We already have an empire you dunce.

>>12495194
Trump is Sulla

>>12495159
>republic

>>12495140
Capitalism has nothing to do with it. Democracy doesn't work. It's barely a concept. It isn't real.

>>12495140
>democratize economic power
None of those words fit with each other.

>>12495404
You mean stringing together buzzwords doesn't make a good argument?

>>12495351
It is quite real, and perhaps the best definition of it was given by Aristotle as he was living through it.
>For the real difference between democracy and oligarchy is poverty and wealth. Wherever men rule by reason of their wealth, whether they be few or many, that is an oligarchy, and where the poor rule, that is a democracy.

>>12495404
>>12495486
Ever heard of a worker cooperative? Or hell, if people were entitled to voting shares of national companies through a sovereign wealth fund it'd be the same principle.

>>12495506
I remember skipping a few grades myself too.

>>12495506
You had to be male of age, a citizen of the state (Non-slave) and own land to qualify for voting.
Even then you can override the votes with right propaganda/ the right amt. of bribery.
Even then people still voted for retarded leaders that permanently ruined the states for shitz and gigglez.
Even with all that, the Greekfags got crushed by the Roman republic

>>12495506
Even if that was the case I wouldn't trust a single person today with doing much of anything.
The average modern peasant can't even control what's in their pants and is "totally not addicted" to weed.
I wouldn't trust them to control the means of anything.

Whomst is buying all of the PG&E stocks? Is he really going to get paid out through liquidation?

>>12495610
I don't know but I fucking wish I bought calls like I wanted to.

I always pussy out on balls to the wall crazy options gambling and it always turns out I was right and then I buy options on what I think is a sure thing and get btfo.

>>12495587
Greek democracy was crushed by Macedonia not the Romans, for one, two you once again seem to misunderstand. Democracy is not the rule of everyone, it is the rule of the lower classes.

>>12495599
I would choose the first 500 names in the phone book over the people we currently have in congress. Take it from someone who had to sit through hours of their dumbass questions and grandstanding in hearings. The average politician, and the average big capitalist, have brain damage far greater than your average lemming. They lack empathy and are often even greater slaves to ideology.

>>12495624
i know this fucking feel.

>>12495632
Still got crushed by the republic to the point of no return.

>>12495632
>Democracy is not the rule of everyone, it is the rule of the lower classes.
You just described Feudalism not Democracy

>>12495650
(you)

>>12495650
>the rule of the lower classes is Feudalism

>>12495650
*angry neckbeard noises*

>>12495194
>>12495233
based

(or youve seen this fresh meme already)

>>12495671
>our ruling class lacks empathy and is dumb
>we'll remove them and centralize power to correct this
>wait, why aren't the people going along with it all?
>better rule them with an iron hand since I know better

People like you are called useful idiots. You always imagine that the end result of your change is benevolent. You always imagine people with your sensibilities in charge.

But nothing you advocate for will happen anyway. If the West falls it will come from multiculturalism. Not some anti-capitalist horseshit.

MOVIE NIGHT NOW

>>12495788
I'm not advocating a centralization of power, I think whatever system of power that emerges after this one collapses will be one determined by the events of that collapse and is thus out of anyone's conscious control.

While it would be nice for socialism to be benevolent, I would accept it if it wasn't, since it is not because of pure goodwill that I support it, but because of its necessity to avoid ecological collapse and increasingly absurd economic coordination.

>If the West falls it will come from multiculturalism. Not some anti-capitalist horseshit.
lol

>>12495671
>>12495703

The Final defence of degenerate Bolshevik scum.
Can't even make a valid argument besides tipping fedoras and labelling the opposition 'unintelligent'
Can't wait for the day of the rope to hang you useless pieces of dog-shite

>>12495823
Accept the Minarchy, you socialist failure
Feel the Freedom like no tomorrow

>>12494940
Due to this. Would you say selling covered calls on index options is not a bad strategy?

>>12495842
>>12495825

>>12495823
>ecological collapse

lol. Al Gore told me there would be no winter as of a decade ago.

If you want to constrain someones thinking tell them there is a problem that can only be solved by the very narrow solutions you had in mind.

Lying about the problem and its extent seems to not matter if it gets the solutions underway. Like I said, useful idiot.

>>12495867
Based. Commies get the rope

>>12495823
>I'm not advocating a centralization of power
Then you're not advocating something realistic because you deny the very nature of power itself. Power can only consolidate, it will never disperse; not willingly, anyway.

Reminder that the governance problem is the key
Fuck capitalism, fuck communism, fuck anarchism, statism.
The problem of efficient yet benevolent governance is the biggest problem to solve.

We can come at it from multiple angles, like a positive economic system emergent incentive structure and/or a lack of incentives to be a bad actor when in a position to decide important thing. This is about benevolent intent. Some would propose what gommie faggot proposed (randomized citizen selection for temporary post in a society with an economic system where bribery is difficult to achieve), some would propose something as radical as a governance system relying heavily on an AI's recommendations being a strong branch of government.

You can also attack it from the angle of the governed. The governed's ability to identify how they ought to be governed for the good of them all relies heavily on their ability to understand the consequences of policy, economic structure, laws. Some are proponents of better general education. Some are proponents of attempting to alter the culture into something that encourages an honest open minded self-education as a civic duty. Some are proponents of intelligence cutoff, education requirements or weighting for votes based on either and/or cutoff/requirement in either for becoming a representative high level decision maker.

Some are in favor of increasing the average intelligence of humans via genetic, medical and/or cyborgification means.

>>12495961

And again back to the angle of attack that is culture. What kind of way of being governed, and what kind of economic system is sustainable with sufficient support from the population is very culturally contingent. A population can easily reject or make unfeasible aspects of governance or economic organization. Like the USA's low social trust and an objectively superior single payer healthcare system and many western african countries capitalism and extreme extended family sharing obligation (capital accumulation to invest in business very difficult when people come and drain you all the time). Chinese and Singaporean governance styles would be impossible to use on a population with a significantly different culture.

>>12495961
Fuck Ideology
Do whatever the fuck you want

>>12495961
We're already increasing the average intelligence of humans. There are no jobs anymore for people who are low IQ. When the next recession comes and hits harder than the last one, huge swaths of people are going to die off due to no longer being needed anymore.

>>12495976
we're a hive organism. impossibru. freedom from other humans is a meme

>>12495867
>>12495874
Last I checked Al Gore was neither a communist or a climate scientist.

The climate models actually produced by scientists haven't been too far off the mark https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-how-well-have-climate-models-projected-global-warming
There is very little controversy about where these numbers lead, either, 2 degree warming, which is our current aspiration, is already extremely bad, 3 degree and more is catastrophic. The models predict 2 degree warming in twenty years, 3 degrees warming in 40 years. The economic costs will be acutely felt. Insurance costs are going to sky rocket very quickly and increasing bad weather will cripple economic activity in hurricane season.

>>12495884
Hence why I emphasized crisis.

>>12495978
>huge swaths of people are going to die off due to no longer being needed anymore.
Doubt it. They're going to be fed and keep multiplying unless there's a big cultural change that results in something like sterilization in return for welfare unless you demonstrate intelligence of some sort in which case you could get support to make something of yourself perhaps.

the useless breeder problem won't be solved through people dying of a simple lack of income. we can see that already with the poor having more children than the "upper middle class".

>>12495961
It's not a problem that can be solved, bad government is the norm and any attempt to move away from it will always entail an attack on liberty in all its forms. My proposals are not to improve government, but to give people control. That it might improve government will only be an accidental quality.

everyone talking about politics again this weekend?

>>12495976
>Fuck Ideology
>Do whatever the fuck you want
>he says, ideologically

>>12492561
only true statement in this thread

>>12496018
>My proposals are not to improve government, but to give people control. That it might improve government will only be an accidental quality.
But then you need to improve people, at least culturally if not intelligence wise, because if you right now "gave people control", they would make a system would deprive them of that control very quickly in whatever way the culture where they live would make them.

So, your angle at the governance problem must be at minimal cultural, or else what you describe will be very short lived. And if you really think about it, higher intelligence is necessary for "people" to not be persuaded to give up control to a new overclass again because they need to understand the consequences of whatever changes they might be compelled to implement that could lead to such things via a process more complicated than the average person today would be able to comprehend.

>>12492561
How does the market bake in information that contradicts each other but only one can and must occur?

>>weekend /smg/

>>12496018
Bad government is the norm because the people are bad, and bad people are the norm because there is very little incentive to be good. We had Christ but then we threw him away and it turns out he was just a plot by another group of desert-dwellers to get us to be so nice we commit suicide in effect. It also barely worked in the first place. Yeah it kept the sodomy away but beyond stuff that even a an untrained toddler finds disgusting, it didn't do shit. You certainly can't create good people out of today's lot because all the good people died off thousands of years ago because they were killed by bad people and we're the bad people's progeny. Being bad is simply good, in evolutionary terms. It's why women are attracted to serial killers in today's society.

>>12496125
This pic really resonates with me

>>12496167
I especially feel a connection with primitivists.

>>12495867
If you look at the actual data and predictions and do math yourself to predict the effect of the increase of certain gases in the atmosphere and the reduction of reflective surfaces (ice/snow) on the earth's retention of solar energy, you'll realize humans do affect climate change to a significant degree (degree, do you get it ecks dee).

I consider it pretty much a done deal though, and it's not all bad. Where X Y Z flora and fauna can live is already starting to change and this will continue. The biggest justing humanity will get is adapting to it all rather than it simply being bad. Huge swaths of farmland will open up in Canada and Russia. You can even grow grapes in some places in Norway now, and some types of fish has changed places (forcing fishing operations to move bases, mostly northwards). Wild vegetation and animal populations are also changing rather unpredictably and fast both on the sea and land. Insects, microflora, fish and seabottom vegetation will have changed the quickest.

It's all barely starting and we're in for a hell of a ride. The cultural elite (including scientists and newsmedia) prefer to paint a picture only of the negatives, because they feel like that is the responsible thing to do. Change that includes damage/negative is always very scary. I think humanity should be focused on getting out ahead of the problem when it comes to adaptability and planning for it rather than screech about it happening and trying to "stop it" (not gonna happen). When it comes agricultural business and maritime resources, countries need to be forward thinking. Encourage and educate on a change of local crop types where farming already exists but on crops that will not thrive well in the new climate, and a change of farming locations on certain kinds of crops. Pre-adaptive rather than simply reactive and "resistant" like now (resistant in a way that doesn't even matter because it happens due to global activity).

>2 days

You know what's really great about being depressed?
Once you're 23 your brain is set-in-stone and there's no way you'll ever get a happy brain back again.
Also the best modern psychology can come up with is "CBT" which is the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard, and psychiatrists are just Jews trying to get you hooked.

>>12496191
Greenhouse gasses aren't the major component for human influence in increased temperatures.
Waste heat is.
No one knows how to handle waste heat except by radiative losses out into space, yet we continue to burn fossil fuels, run heat pumps, air conditioners, refrigerators, and all that waste heat is building up.
Greenhouse gasses wouldn't do anything if there was no waste heat to build up to actually cause the problem.
That's why Al Gore and climate "scientists" are liars because they never address the actual cause of the problem and lead people to conclude that the catalyst is the problem.

Also the other thing that's great is that once you realize your parents were genetic failures and as such you are also a genetic failure that can't achieve anything in life, you start to realize you can't morally justify your own existence.

>>12496260
>That's why Al Gore and climate "scientists" are liars because they never address the actual cause of the problem and lead people to conclude that the catalyst is the problem.
i highly doubt we will ever find a "cure" from the second law of thermodynamics brah

>>12496242
I'm so addicted to leveraged day trading on CFDs now. I started two weeks ago just trading based on news and a bit of. I told myself I'd never day trade, but I kinda just slipped into doing it more and more while waiting for the last drop what I have my eye on to buy into for the long term once it does the next dip. I have a pretty meager regular income and getting daytrading income that makes it pale feels like candy.

I'm tend to get autistic obsessions and this weekend and last weekend I just can't relax once the markets are closed. All I do is research the fundamentals, charts and sentiments on my chosen sectors to watch and try to understand. I'm afraid I'll just burn myself like 80% of day traders. I use stop losses always and I've yet to come out of a day in the red, but what if I become emotional and do stupid shit? Or what if the market just behaves repeatedly both irrationally and countertrend and counternews in ways of don't expect until I'm sucked dry. O'd like to think I'm smarter than the market, but when playing with leverage, it doesn't mean shit because temporary market sentiment disagreeing with you fucks you in the ass with a spiky mace.

Fuck. I'm gonna get justed I can just feel it. I'm afraid of telling my gf that I basically trippled my income this month so far because what if I fuck it up and its all gone in a few days, and more, even?

I have trouble sleeping. I predicted all this. This stress was why I told myself I wouldn't fall for the day trading meme and it's not worth it, but I'm tired of not having fuck you money and I literally care about nothing else now because of autistic focus obsession that tends to get its way until it has run its course and I'm tired of something. We haven't had sex in weeks because I never show interest anymore.

On the plus side I don't eat as much anymore (which is good because I have digestive problems exacerbated by more eating), but I still exercise and what I do eat is more healthy.
/blog

>>12496342
There is no reason why heat cannot be captured and further looped through a closed system.

>>12496260
That's why we need to build giant cords of high heat conducting material going beyond the atmosphere venting geothermal energy into space through giant heatsinks bro

>>12496260
>Greenhouse gasses aren't the major component for human influence in increased temperatures.
>Waste heat is.
Nah. Human use of fossil fuels contributes a negligible amount of heat compared to solar radiation and the continued spinning of our molten core ("geothermal energy"). I'll show you my source when you show me yours.

>>12496356
>closed system.
theres your problem

>just make a nice feedback loop!

I just want the terribleness of this world to end. I want those dreams of humble middle-class riches promised to me by my boomer parents on sugared lips right before they sold capital to go play with a sloth in Guatemala.

>>12496376
Or reduce the amount of waste heat produced and allow natural processes to reduce current amount afterwards.
But that's something I had not heard of.
>>12496387
>Human use of fossil fuels contributes a negligible amount of heat
That's bullshit. You are talking about the solar input over hundreds of millions of years being concentrated into coal, oil, and gas and then being released in a short couple hundred years. That's a huge amount of heat to be released for what is relatively all at once compared to how long it took for that energy to be stored.
>>12496388
I guess the universe is an open system then, huh bud?

>>12496404
>>I guess the universe is an open system then, huh bud?
debateable, but highly unlikely

but the earth is nowhere near a closed system

>>12496423
Exactly, that's why we need to crack down immediately on our release of waste heat.

>>12496404
I was just memeing. Even if all humans suddenly died, earth wouldn't somehow just go back an equilbrium heat swinging around how things were before the industrial revolution. heat that hits the earth from the sun and heat that escape the earth in the form of reflected light dwarfs human direct heat production by sugoi orders of magnitude. "Greenhouse" gases and reduced ice/snow surface on earth is far more of a deal than direct heat production from human caused combustion.

>>12496447
> "Greenhouse" gases and reduced ice/snow surface on earth is far more of a deal than direct heat production from human caused combustion.
Wrong. They are not the cause of the problem. The reduction of ice/snow is an effect of the problem that further catalyzes the problem.
Greenhouse gases are only a catalyst and would be absorbed naturally through forests, plants, and marine flora.
You don't cure a disease by treating the symptoms.

Imagine a world where you were a producer instead of a consumer.

>>12496404
I just ran the numbers for solar irradiance vs. heat generation due to electricity production.

Total solar irradiance is 1.3e3 W/m^2. Area of earth perpendicular to solar radiation is pi*(6.4e6 m)^2 = 1.3e14 m^2. Total solar energy is then 1.7e17 W. Total power generation capacity in the world is 25082 TWh/yr, which corresponds to 2.9e12 W. Assuming an efficiency of 30%, that corresponds to 9.5e12 W of energy converted to heat or electricity.

To conclude, the amount of stored energy we release every second to generate electricity is at most 0.006% of the total that the planet receives from sunlight. Most of that energy is re-emitted, which explains why we are not burning up. It also explains why the greenhouse effect is so important.

>>12496462
Okay lets for the sake of conversation accept your "human generated heat" thesis even though its completely wrong.

If the greenhouse gases get recaptured in plant and animal life, wouldn't there be more animal and plant life turning light hitting the earth into heat than there was before all this carbon got turned into plants that got periodically eaten/rotted at a sustainable level?
Wouldn't there be more exothermic activity from life with more life?

>the earths temp is a static number
>there is only one "normal" temp

sure is great stock market discussion we are having tonight

>>12496564
Fuck the stock market everything is terrible.

>>12496514
>heat generation due to electricity production.
What about vehicles?
Those aren't anywhere near 30% efficient.
>>12496540
Yeah, life emits heat, but because life can remove those greenhouse gasses that everyone creams over, the build up of additional heat is mitigated.

>>12496593
>>Yeah, life emits heat, but because life can remove those greenhouse gasses that everyone creams over, the build up of additional heat is mitigated.
but all heat that life mitigates is undone when combustion of plants, or digestion of animals, takes place

the only viable solution to global warming is move all industry to mars, so that the greenhouse gasses help to terraform it

or decrease the population on earth (both humans, and of livestock in general)

or just use nuclear power generation instead of hydrocarbons

>_>

I really wish robinhood was available in germany...

>>12496633
>or just use nuclear power generation instead of hydrocarbons
Ultimately, this.

>>12496349
>I'm tend to get autistic obsessions and this weekend and last weekend I just can't relax once the markets are closed. All I do is research the fundamentals, charts and sentiments on my chosen sectors to watch and try to understand.

I know this feel and can tell you it will pass. You've got that new knowledge spark going. After a while it becomes routine and you start to welcome the weekends/holidays for the break. I don't look at charts at all now from Friday close until Sunday evening when I'm making preparations for Monday's trading session.

It's unlikely you will get cleaned out on a series of bad trades if you stick to your strategy and risk management rules. Things gets hairy when you go in to hold my beer mode and say fuck it. So try to identify when you're in that mood and stop yourself, take the rest of the day off.

>>12496349
Protip: Never tell anyone, let alone a gf, if you got money, let alone extra money.

>>12496717

Also this. And I extend it out to family/friends as well. My answers to "how's the trading going?" are 'pretty good' or 'not so good this week' etc. Numbers are never ever spoken. That's for me to know and you to find out when I'm dead and you happen to be listed as a beneficiary.

>>12496764
>"how much money did you make today champ?"

Every day this shit

>>12496633
>>12496540
>>12496514
We should make bombs that have all the components of an atmosphere.. shoot them all at mars... hopefully the components will circle around mars.. stick together and be held by mars gravity...... thus... creating an atmosphere...

>>12496593
>What about vehicles?
>Those aren't anywhere near 30% efficient.

Attached image is for CO2 emissions rather than heat generation, but I expect the proportions to be similar. The total heat generation from all fossil fuel sources is maybe 2-3x the total I gave for electricity production. Still small compared to solar irradiance.

>>12496799
>but I expect the proportions to be similar.
who cares about your "expectations"?
youre less than a nobody, your an anonymous person on the internet

>>12496799
How much of that solar radiation is actually absorbed by matter on the earth and radiated out as heat?

>>12496707
Thanks mate. You're right. I gotta prep myself to abort mission when that mood hits. It's what I'm the most afraid of. That I won't really have the metacognitive impetus to park myself when noticing I'm in such a mood. I guess I'll do some mental exercises to harden/prime myself to do the right thing when the time comes.
>>12496717
>>12496764
>>12496775
My gf is a rather unusual person psychologically in ways that make it not a big deal. We both have crypto portfolios and have been up and down and up again and talked a lot about it over the years, so I know she's chill.
We've been together for 6 years and both live pretty frugally and split shared expenses 50/50 via a joint account separated from our individual accounts. I help her invest her money separately in low-risk ways (non-crypto non-leverage) for the long term and she trusts my judgment. Even during temporary downturns of her portfolio, she hasn't shown even the slightest hint at resentment or nervousness about it.
I don't want to update her on my shorter term gains or losses with my own money though for obvious reasons. That emotional rollercoaster is best contained inside my head rather than becoming a thing that is injected into the relationship where I one day talk about how glad I am due to the gains and the next day I either talk about some loss in a depressing way or fail to talk about it and feel like I'm kind of lying by only mentioning when I win and being a poser.

Talking about gains/losses with the rest of my family or any friend is a big mistake indeed though. That's an invitation for the
>"how much money did you make today champ?"
meme

>>12496775
>Every day this shit

Every day until the end of time. Used to be it was 'how's school going?' then 'how's work?'. Now question number 1 forever is 'how bout that stock market tho?'. I am tempted to start talking about lean hogs in these chats.

>>12496935
Get a bf and it'll change.

>>12496948
When the ex gf and i had been dating for about a year, it was 'when are you two getting married so i can have more grandkids'.

>>12496994
That's why I said bf.

Is it smart to put your money on a long term investment during a bear market

America is a country where the culture doesn't exist, the infrastructure is all failing, hating the current leader is a requirement to holding down a job, and drug dealers are held in higher social standing than male virgins.

>>12497894
That's what we get for fighting on the wrong side in ww2

>>12497278

No. Not unless the investment is recession resistant.

Inb4 Buffett memers arrive to say any form of market timing is impossible and you need to cost average forever no matter what the market happens to be doing at the time

>>12495219
>156 countries with US troops
>Russia
kek'd

>>12498417
On the other hand, there's people who believe that it's all rigged and you should rush to throw your money in the market to not miss literally free gibs from the fed.

>>12497894
Cope. Drug dealers are more useful than virgins. So, of course, they would have higher social standing.

>>12495995
water levels are supposed to have risen by 4 meters by now and icecaps should be gone, that was what all the "scientists" were saying 10 years ago. Seems like people forget tho always this "its a crisis!!!". Just a way to impose more taxes desu.

How do I long anime?

>>12499272
I couldn't tell you, but I will say it's a good choice

>>12499120
I think you are forgetting what the time frame for those predictions were, they weren't 10 years but the course of the 21st century.

It is a crisis, and while I dont think a carbon tax is the way to solve it you will be seeing higher costs regardless. The economic impact of higher insurance costs and lost economic activity in more severe weather is already being observed.

>>12498587
>>12498417
Accumulation and easy money policies are why you can mostly expect the stock market to recover from a crisis and see new heights through new bubbles. That said, they dont stop crisis. You want to make the most money all you have to do is not take the hit from the crash and then put your money back in.

That said, there is some questions about how effective monetary policy might be in the next cycle

>>12499284
this version should have better res

coinfags btfo

>>12499272
Anime is bubble
Short anime

>>12499343
t. bought GPRO and FUN

>>12494753
People have a misconception onions sauce was invented in Japan

It's actually a Chinese invention

I give up trying to time the market

it's literally impossible since it's controlled by bots

>>12499400
t.retard

>>12499400
>I give up trying to time the market
>it's literally impossible

wow i never would have guessed

>>12499404

rude

>>12499404
t. thinks panic selling is a good investment strategy

>>12499400
just buy the index and wait lmao

>>12499425
Never panic sold a stock in my life. All my orders have set stop-losses.

>Government shutdown continues to reduce GDP
>Inflation increases due to rising wages and tariffs
>Consumer debt delinquency slowly increasing

Ah, do you smell it? Sweet sweet stagflation. Solvable only by a rapid increase in fed funds rates. And oh my, all that sweet sweet corporate debt that will go bust once rates blow up. And once we're in double digit rates, and all seems lost, the record growth will be intoxicating, and will far exceed the rapid 11+% CAGR from 1981 to 2018.

The time has come to reset the clock. Market returns above 10% are no longer sustainable. They were only possible because we've been in a declining rate environment since the 18% highs of the 80s. We need to raise rates, shock the markets, and only then can we go back to double digit growth. And by "we", I mean the Fed.

>>12499579
Shit is going to suck.

>>12494817
I think either or but i really hope a bo happens. Idk maybe it'll happen this week.

>>12499579
The shutdown will resolve itself before mid February when foodstamps run and Dems are forced to come to the table.

Also wages aren't rising that's a meme the working class is poorer than ever.

This ponzi has another 5 years of running before any serious pain.

>>12499778
Yeah, it's hard to tell which it could be right now
I would be surprised if it happened this week, but I think there will definitely be news of some sort (partnership, BO, or dilution) by the end of Q1 2019
I don't think dilution is likely for multiple reasons, but it doesn't hurt to keep the worst possible outcome in mind
I'm also hoping for a BO, but a partnership definitely wouldn't be bad either

>>12499897
>This ponzi has another 5 years of running before any serious pain.

*blocks your path*

>>12499910
I don't think anything bad will happen with this stock in the future when you look at the pattern its done in the past every other times it hit low 3s. Partnership is good but having a bo would just be over the top amazing. I also think there's very little chance of dilution and its good to prepare for the worst in these cases even when the odds are slim. Doubt anything bad will happen but i'm praying for a bo

Market indicators put risk of recession in the next 12 months at 50%. That's a literally coin flip. I wouldn't bet the farm on those odds if I was you.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-18/economists-downplay-indicators-that-say-u-s-recession-is-coming

>>12499920
>>12499897
Also, wages are at all time highs and likely rising. Unemployment is near the 3.5% rate where wages are "supposed" to rise.

>>12499920
Pass.

If everyone is expecting it to happen then it's not going to happen. This is just another way for the rich to fleece you by selling cheap shares and then dumping on you when you FOMO in at the top 5-10 years from now.

>>12499939
A BO could potentially increase my entire portfolio value by multiples of its current amount, so I'm definitely hoping for one as well

>>12499953
>If everyone is expecting it to happen then it's not going to happen.

Not only is that not how anything works, but you're disproving your own point by propagating the popular expectation that a downtown is 5+ years off. And no, before you say the market is expecting a recession, they're not. The Fed is resolute that global growth, while slowing, is still strong enough to support some increases in rates, and several chairpeople have come out publicly to state that yield inversions alone don't make for convincing data (despite one chairman disagreeing, noting how he's been burned several times by other chairpeople claiming "this time is different"). And as for actual market participants, they're still disgustingly bullish. How could they not be? It's been 10+ years of the longest bull run in history -- all the bears are out of business.

>>12499989
your a good anon, have a cute pepe meme

>>12500022
A BO at $20 (a very conservative estimate of what the price would be at if one actually did happen) would increase my portfolio size by 347%
Here's a duck picture

>>12500017
The market won't be completely expecting a recession until it is a fait accompli, in which case they will have no choice but to accept it's happening. Until then, people will cling on to some gleams of hope that things will work out.

>>12500032
I assume the price would match something like tbra

>>12500017
And they're all correct. The top was DOW 26k. We had a 20% dip last year and it rebounded like a rocket, we will hit a new ATH by February at this rate.

All the people claiming for a recession are just retards that missed their chance to sell the top/buy cheap shares and want a second chance. Like everyone on /biz/ hoping Link is the next Bitcoin or think Bitcoins going back to 20k. A desperate hope stemming from regret of missing their one chance to make it.

t. bought bitcoin at 3k and sold at 18k
t. sold dow 26k and bought at 22k

>>12500042

>>12499949
That's bullshit because cost of living index doesn't account for shit like rent or healthcare

>>12500052
>If everyone is expecting it to happen then it's not going to happen.
>And they're all correct

Not only can you not go a post without contradicting yourself, but you're also the type of retard who believes another US civil war is possible. So I don't know why I'm wasting my time talking to somebody who talks out of their ass. The irony is that you're the exact stereotype you described: a person that missed the boat and is now praying for a massive bullrun in consumer staples, during a period where the immediate trade future of the US is uncertain. Christ, at least wait till March. How fucking dumb are you?

>>12500062
I know. The point isn't that livability is improving, retard, it's that wages and salaries are rising, which has a direct impact on inflation.

>>12500032
just did the math. If it pulls a tbra or something close i stand to make 22 grand. I don't have a ton of shares but as some other anons here but i do have a fair bit

>>12500097
Yeah, it would be a lot of money for me as well, though I haven't done the math yet
It would really be amazing if that happened

>>12492561
This guy is right and the reason why:

"Buy the rumor, sell the news" has always been a thing.

It's why insider trading is a criminal activity.

>>12496059
Because some buy based on info X and some sell based on info Y, thus reaching a price consensus.

>>12500081
How did I miss the boat? I've been maxing out my 401k since I graduated college in 2013 and I just bought that 20% dip. I didn't miss anything.

And Kraft-Heinz is probably the most oversold stock in the S&P right now so I don't understand how you're knocking that call either. Not to mention that consumer staples hold their value in a recession better than about anything else. WTF do you mean wait until March? Do you think this bullrun is stopping? It's been nonstop gains since the beginning of the year. If anything I will reevaluate my position in May when the S&P is sitting back at 3k+

>>12500146
That doesn't mean the price is baked in, because if event Y occurs, all those people who bet on event X are going to be selling to avoid greater losses.
It's still volatile.

>>12500158
based and greenpilled

What happens on RH incase of a BO? Just wait for the deal to clear and then your stocks will be replaced with cash?

>>12500158
Okay. I like how all your attention went to my cheeky dig at you and not back to any of the points I was making earlier. You're in a perma-bull mindset, and that's fine. You need to sleep at night, so I get it. Just a heads up: only a handful of consumer staples actually did well last recession, and you didn't list a single one of them. Also, I don't know why you think I'm calling a recession today. I'm not even calling one next year.

Also, you should know that March is the expectation for when Chinese/US trade deliberations end. The market is only trending upward currently because of seemingly good news coming from the inside. But that can flip on a dime, and we'll likely go back and forth until a firm deal is announced.

>>12500169
Seeing as how most buyouts are settled with equity, you'd just end up with shares of whatever company bought them out.

>>12500032
You have no idea about the toxic shares and dilution coming your way lmao

>>12500245
cool

>>12500245
what leads you to believe there'll be dilution?

>>12500167
volatility is just a metric that tells you how much the price moves in a given amount of time. after the information is revealed, and people have had the time to receive and react to the information, then whatever the price is. it is baked in.

>>12500326
they may have to raise funds for p3 trials

>>12500471
That assumes that p3 trials will happen before a bo/partnership.

>>12500491
Not many companies are looking to acquire something that isn't at least p3.

>>12500501
They're buying out nash companies left and right and they already shown that their science is good and they have highly valuable research. This is also ignoring all the signs we've gotten in the last few weeks regarding a deal being in the works

>>12500521
Coping bagholder

>>12500521
> This is also ignoring all the signs we've gotten in the last few weeks regarding a deal being in the works
such as?

>>12500521
If you want a safe nash deal, invest in icpt. Phase 3 data this quarter, and it'll actually work. It has a shit safety profile compared to VKTX and maybe GALT (but honestly GALT hasn't had a proper good FDA trial at all yet), but it'll get a sizeable bump on the news. Cash out there and reinvest in smaller players like galt or vktx.

Galt may or may not get a BO or partnership this quarter. It's pure speculation. But ICPT will definitely have a successful trial this quarter and get a nice payday. The fact that they're further ahead than anyone else except maybe GILD to market will also be priced into the bump.

>>12500561
http://investor.galectintherapeutics.com/news-releases/news-release-details/galectin-therapeutics-largest-institutional-shareholder-converts
Also about a week ago they were handing out options to people within the company. Their credit line was extended by their millionaire backer richard uihlein extended their credit line into 2019. Why would he continue to waste his money, power and time if the autistic shit huffers bears of smg say otherwise?

I'm making the next general GALT edition

>>12500648
billionaire backer*

Also, they've had a strategic advising company on their payroll for more than 6 months now

>>12500648
They do the options thing every year, also the conversion of series B was one of the outcomes of the court settlement. Time will tell why, but it's not as straight forward as you think.

>>12500345
I am not using volatile in the market jargon. I am using volatile in the general sense.
>after the information is revealed, and people have had the time to receive and react to the information
Of course the price is baked in after the fact. I am talking about before the fact.

bumperoni

>>12500656
>>12500648
I have a thousand bucks set aside that I use for limit orders in case a bargain comes up in volatile assets. Right now it's set for SDS, but I just put about 200 bucks towards Galt at 4.5 dollars. Seems like an interesting side bet.

soon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7B3DrxH8rA

>>12494142

so?

>>12501438
It's definitely going to be intredasting to see how GALT unfolds, it seems like big news one way or the other will definitely be coming soon, and it technicals have turned very bullish recently

>>12500693
It would depend on how much liquidity that the insiders would be able to access and the liquidity of the stock at the certain price. You may can find correlations, but certainly not the actual reason.

>>12501658
brazen bull has nothing on poena cullei

Instead of Butter you guys should try using Molly McButter

New bread please?

>>12494817
You're not the first tripfag to come in here as a college student with zero investing experience and think you've somehow cracked the code, and you won't be the last.
You may win with GALT. You may even triple your portfolio for a time, but then it'll be right onto the next meme.

I guarantee you'll walk out of here someday, defeated, with less money than you started with.

>>12502503
>and think you've somehow cracked the code

Why do you assume I think this
I'm perfectly aware that my knowledge is lacking in many areas, and I don't think that I'll necessarily be able to replicate any success I have with GALT

>>12502503
also

>muh crab bucket mentality

>>12502503
The possibility of me losing all my money can easily be mitigated with proper risk management
I'm perfectly aware that my current strategy is risky, but I'm willing to take the risks I've created for myself for the time being

behold the greatest thread of all time

>>12502837
>>12502837
>>12502837

>>12494882
index fund