/biz/ - Business & Finance

Ugh Jeff... Whyyyyyy....

>>12417203
Sometimes it is better to let it all burn

Good evening, /smg/

Out of FANG, only Google looks to be the only company capable of surviving long term.
But still faces an enormously painful journey till it clears its excess capacity, namely by letting off thousands of redundant personnel

>>12417224
Google has the least diversified revenue streams IIRC. The ad revenue from the search engine pretty much subsidizes everything they do.

Also, they are very, very unlikely to ever do lay-offs. They go very far out of their way to avoid ever hiring somebody that would later have to be fired.

Natural gas and oil are going on a run this year.

ok just don't link the new thread then

>>12417344
lmao yeah I'm sure that'll still be their policy when the bubble finally pops

TLRY to 300?
or 30?

I'll just chalk up this past week to a dead cat bounce. Orange man won't disappoint and markets will continue their plunge shortly.

>>12417915
Winter storm and govt shutdown are set to significantly impact January growth numbers and hit demand. I wouldn't get my hopes up.

>>12417915

>unironically Orange Man reason for market sputtering

I hope you shorted the bottom and don’t buy back until it’s too late and spend the rest of your life being chased by the mob desu senpai.

>>12418651
Based and SPYlled.

Reading about Series EE bonds, my understanding is that you put in 10k max, wait 30 years and get paid 20k?
So lets say im 22 and I max it out every year in my 20's, so basically when im 52+ i get 20k a year?

If this is true then, for $15k a year you can have the perfect retirement (5k in roth per year and 10k in EE bond per year)
Am I understanding this correctly?

>>12418670
There is counterparty risk. The truth is that you can't really make money just by risking it. It just moves the money around.

>>12417789
I don't think it'll go down to 30, but it is definitely overvalued
I think it's much more likely to go down in the long term than it is for it to go up

newfaq question:
how long till the market opens? my timezone is UTC+2.

>>12418778
>Eastern Europe

I don't think anyone in these threads knows anything about Eastern European markets, but US markets open on Monday at 9:30 AM EST

>>12418670
the risk is inflation. you're signing up for a rate without knowing how future fed rates / inflation will pan out.

>>12418756
>There is counterparty risk.
no there isn't.

>>12417358
which oil stocks should i buy? only have UCO currently, and had DNR for a bit, but it was going down and i wasnt sure if it was gonna run up with the rest of oil so i sold it

>>12418836
No, there is no counterparty risk.

>>12418778
48 hours from now

topkek, this faggot is actually called Geldmacher (money maker in German). maybe I should buy 100k.

>>12419033
Don't, vodafone was badly managed partly because of him.

>>12417193
Is it a good time to buy the dip on Blizzard? They seem to be at a low point of the hype cycle, and they have an excellent track record of delivering profitable games.

I feel like I missed out on the big profits though. 390% profit in the last four years is pretty crazy.

>>12418670
Used to be when you got bonds they were locked in at whatever the interest rate was at the time you bought them for the duration of the bond. So say the rate is 3% now. That bond will stay fixed at 3% for the whole 30 yrs. The catch is that if you redeem them early you get hit with a fee. I have EE bonds, from back when they were actual paper bonds and not the electronic ones now. Getting ready to hit the 30 mark soon

>>12417203
Let Amazon stock tank to under 1K cause of the divorce mess. I missed out when it was dirt cheap (actually my parents missed out cause fuck they didn't know and I didn't know any better back then)

>>12418670
EE bonds actually double in value after 20 years not 30

>>12419237
The thing is that any good dividend stock is better, and you have superior liquidity with stocks.

>>12419328
This is true. Personally I prefer most other forms of bonds, t bonds are nice because you can sell them, tips and I bonds are good for inflation protection. That said, if you were a retail investor considering buying the 30 year t bond, EE would be a better alternative

>>12419189
Not sure, they got a lot of hatred for Diablo mobile and the recent wow expansion wasn't taken very well. There's a Warcraft 3 remake coming which should help but it's monetization wouldn't equal something like a monthly subscription unless they do cheesy stuff like microtransacrions somehow. Also who knows, maybe Diablo mobile somehow takes off in China even though it's already like another game or two. Those chinks love their garbage.

>>12419328
>>12419426
the way I see it, I will already have enough to retire with just ROTH
I also like the idea of getting a fat check of 20k per year
I'm in a pretty good spot right now where i can save like 70% of my paycheck at 22, I feel like extremely low risk investing would be best for my situation

>>12419493
modus in rebus, not just risk taking, also in carefulness.

>>12418865
I dunno about individual companies. When it comes to energy sector i just do ETFs.

>>12419493
as far as roth vs 401k, the main argument i see is that 401k is better while working because you're expected to be in a lower tax bracket after retirement. but at the same time, when you invest into a roth early, the huge gains you make over time would probably be more than the money you paid in taxes. does anyone know what sort of timeframe before retirement would be necessary to overcome the tax burden if you make the average of like 55k per year or whatever the average is?

>>12419614
Pretty sure Roth is just better in every way, there is a reason it has a 5k per year cap

>>12417789
1. Tilray is the most overvalued stock in the entire dude weed
2. The dude weed is highly irrational and indecisive when it comes to valuation

End result is more pump and dumps to come. Like fucking Aphria, earnings were shit and the CEO quits, stock goes... up? But then other periods in the dude weed, people sell so hard you'd think the companies are worthless. We're years away from a climate where going long on any dude weed is a goid idea. I only swing and day trade it.

>>12419678
401k is especially good if you're on the cusp of a higher tax bracket, so you can put pretax money into it and ensure you pay at the lower tax bracket. also a few years before retirement, where you're still in your high tax bracket, it wont have time to accumulate any appreciable growth before retirement where you would spend less on taxes to take it out than you did to put it in. im just uncertain of the timeframe where that takes place

>>12419694
Oh my god anime is some of the most degenerate shit on this earth.

You can't get to 1 trillion in market cap
without making a few enemies

Saex big on monday. Tblt pir and lci probably make you some profit too. Start the week off green fruity boys.

>>12419722
They let blacks vote. Did you know that?

>>12419722

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aup02OzOS10

>>12418798
I want to hold you while we watch scary movies.

>>12419889
That's hilarious.

>>12419614
401k is only good because of company matching

What's the point of having a high credit limit when it's higher than what you make in a month

>>12419493
I think the EE series or I series bonds wouldn't be bad for you then. I'd put some money in both so you can get some inflation protection. These are probably the safest retirement investments you can make and will get you roughly 3.5% annual returns which beats the 30 year t bond right now.

>>12420133
For emergencies

>>12420133
You might as well be asking what the point of having a mortgage is if the mortgage amount is greater than what you make in a month.

>>12420110
see >>12419703
though i agree that is its best use

>>12420133
Gap loans

>>12420162
what I mean is, if you can't reasonably pay off that credit amount in a month, you will be turbo fucked by rates and it also fucks your credit score

so what even is the point?

they practically sell you the rope to hang yourself with. Is it just them trying to screw over gullible fucks because people don't understand how it works?

>>12420173
what are those?

>>12420133
if you see an opportunity to make a low risk vs high returns transaction which was possible because of the dip into the debt. yes, you may lose and go into a mild debt assuming that you made the right judgment regarding reward vs risk ratio. then, it's a matter of: getting a lot of money or work off your debts a bit more.

>>12420176
It shouldn't fuck your credit score if you're making the minimum payment on time. About the only thing that happens is your credit usage goes up which will have a mild-to-moderate impact on your score.

>>12419889
that is fucking funny, but how retarded would you have to be to post that as a politician?

NEED MORE PATTERNS

>>12420176
yes, the point of credit is to screw over gullible NPC fucks

wait until you read up on payday loans

>>12420176
>what are those?
Say you have an illiquid asset that you want to leverage towards something else; a good example would be a car or small condo. Instead of waiting for that asset to divest you use the credit card to act on whatever opportunity that’s caught your eye and pay the balance once funds settle.

Being able to strike with money at a moments notice is very powerful.

>>12420290
why are you acting like we are all getting Buffet-tier investments opportunities daily lmao

nobody gets that, wej ust buy index funds to make it or waste all our money on memestocks here

>>12420320
>daily
Never implied that. The point is, IF an opportunity does present itself you have the ability to do something about it instead of standing on the sidelines with your limp dick.

what the fuck it's Saturday. I was having a panic attack wondering why the markets were closed

SPY pumping to 262.5 according to my lines, anyone else?

Whats going to be the best performing stock of 2019 and why is it LCI?

>>12420370
wtf i hate saturday now

my favorite thread

>>12420459
Biggest memestock going

>mfw i bought into it

>>12420461

>>12416625
In 2015 there hadn't been a yield inversion yet but I still would have been very cautious. There were lots of risks with global demand, oil prices and China's debt bubble/corporate debt (which is still unresolved today). Generally I'm very averse to risk taking that can induce big losses.

Keep in mind I've only just started managing my own portfolio this last year, before that I had it managed in a Schwab intelligent portfolio account, mostly because it wasn't really enough for me to care about. Now that I'm saving and investing more I want to make sure my money is where I want it.

>>12420110
God damn this is wrong. Even without any matching, 401ks are superior to taxable brokerage accounts.

Told the regional supervisor I'm glad it's tax return season so I could invest it (BST and SPYD)
He's 35 and peak onions, and seriously told me to buy a new gaming computer or Nintendo switch instead
He's not going to make it

>>12420646
Good use of your tax return, bad picture and bad girl
I don't understand why so many straight men get off on the idea of women treating them like shit
It's pathetic, to be desu with you

>>12420684
If you grew up with a controlling mother then it's appealing.

>>12420684
Gays don't have valid opinions on sexuality

>>12420646
whats peak onions lmao

>>12420646
I've been thinking about getting a switch if I move in with my gf. I actually hadn't thought about what I'd do with my tax return yet tho. Hmm, maybe I'll put some in treasuries or a CD depending on what gets better returns at the time. Maybe a hundred bucks or so on a lotto subscription if I'm feeling like slpurging.

Also fuck terfs and fuck that meme.

>>12420684
Fucking this. Terfs are the original man hating feminists they make my skin crawl.

>>12420695
wait it all makes sense now wtf

>>12420699
>Gays

I'm speaking less as a guy who is attracted to men and more as a human being with some degree of self-respect here

>>12420711
>>12420721
>posts a gf meme because it's funny
>fags feel personally attacked
C
H
I
L
L

>>12420721
So you admit you're gay? pretty gray bruhh

>>12420735
yeah.. he's gay.. all the gay anime he post doesn't give it away?

>>12420731
RKG's guru posting disgusts me less than the idea of a terf gf.

>>12420721
>is attracted to men
gay

>>12420133

Just in case you need a lot of cash pronto for some reason. Also, it tends to help your credit score depending how you use it. I'm a firm believer in the practice of using credit cards for everything and paying them off every month. You get high good goy points for that. High good goy points means access to better interest rates if you do need to take out a large loan for whatever reason.

>>12419722

stahp being insensitive to the nipponese heritage.

>>12420443

I am expecting a retrace to anywhere from 252 to 255 depending on the strength of the sell off. Consolidate flat around there for a bit, then push through 260 up to a potential high of 268-270. Break above 270 is confirmation of bullish reversal and probably rise to ATH from there if it happens.

>>12420735
Back off, he's mine!

>>12420731
>projecting your own insecurities onto me

sad

>>12420711
>a lotto subscription

might as well buy shares of some penny stock you know nothing about if you feel like gambling
you'd have a much higher chance of winning, and if you lost, you could write that $100 off of your taxes

>>12420443
Yeah, but it’s taking it’s sweet ass time. After that we should retest the lows.

>>12419614
>>12419678
>TFW trading with my ROTH account for tax-free gainz

BASED ROTH

its my first 5.5k and now 6k of investments annually, dump that shit into index funds the first week you can and let it ride until your 60s

thats how you make it my close friends

>>12420818
True, lol. But with a lotto subscription I just have to check certain days of the week to see if I've won, versus having to check several times a day! Well, why not both, ya know. I'll have more than 200 bucks to spare.

Anons, post replies with penny stocks and I'll put 100 bucks from my tax return to the first one with dubs.

>>12420802
I feel like the >projecting meme is often misused, like you currently are using it
I don't think you know what it means

>>12420873
>$100
Not worth rolling unless it's 1k desu

>>12420880
Tattoos should be illegal

>>12419694
I hope shes ok

>>12420880
the whole idea of projection is freudian psuedoscience anyways, I don't really care if I'm
"misusing it", honestly

>>12420176
system is starting to crumble, if dow falls 30% that is a disaster for pension funds and pensioners in some countries like usa. norway has over 1 trillion in dow jones now too. then again some countries rely on taxation like france, they have 0% funded and all pension payments are taken directly from taxation each month. 0% rates on bonds so pension funds in europe and japan cant get yield anywhere, they tried too real estate but that too is looking to turn down hard and long like what happened in japan. and japan did not even raise rates still the real estate colapsed due to too long loans and stagnating economic growth. next 20 years will be a one hell of a race money will rush wherever get yield and safety etc. better pray technology advancing ai and such such saves the day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGHQnZW-v-s

>>12420888
>Tattoos should be illegal
you should kys.

>>12420886
People shouldn't gamble more than they're willing to loose. And I'm not willing to loose 1k. This is just for fun. I'll literally set a standing limit order for a moonshot and wait a couple years for it to do just that or hit zero.

>>12420873
I'm not an anon, but rolling for SESN

>>12420894
Just be aware you are using it wrong, lurk more lmao
>>12420903
Men can get tatoos, but women who get them are used goods
>>12420913
DRYS

>>12420873
For real tho get SESN

>>12420894
>doesn't know what it is
>doesn't believe in it

>>12420890
Mild concussion.

>>12420931
tattoos should be used to identify your government allocated wife

>>12420931
Is DRYS due for another bidding war?

>>12421070

>>12420931
kys, the tattoos ruin men. i don't care about the whores. they are useless beings for useless men.
>>12420635
I see, thank you for the explanation. In my opinion, nothing have changed from 2015 and now. If we still have the same problems and the price went up because of the media redefining the definition of value. Then, why can't we just keep going up more?

Unfunded pension liabilities for the old, and student debt for the young.

DESU I think they're going to cull the population this half-century. Keeping around massive populations employed in "service" is only good for vanity.

buy SemGroup stock lads

at the time of this post on saturday, january 12 2019; the price of SemGroup shares are $16.79

>see at least 50 Mercedes in the street every day

where can i buy Mercedes shares?

google doesn't show anything when I search "Mercedes stock"

>>12421138
Liquidity, basically. underlying risks can be ignored so long as there's easy money waiting to bail you out. Higher rates and quantitative tightening mean that can't be used as an escape.

Or, as the chief executive at citigroup said in 2007
>“When the music stops, in terms of liquidity, things will be complicated. But as long as the music is playing, you’ve got to get up and dance. We’re still dancing,”

>>12421162
US ticker DDAIF

Daimler AG who owns Merc

>>12421164
Yes, and what has changed in the terms of liquidity? We already crashed 50% or more in some of America's most leveraged yet highest value companies (basically qqq) and they're still running with seemingly no credit problem.

Is there really any liquidity problem? Or is it just paranoia from orange man bad phenomena?

>>12421207
what crashed was the value of their stocks. That generally won't trigger a default. Rather, it's the fundamental business model that is important here. What caused the 2008 crisis was defaults in subprime loans bringing down big banks. In 2019 the big risk is corporate debt, which means what is important to pay attention to is profit in heavily leveraged sectors. When a major default is happening there, especially in a durable good industry, that's when you know it's going down.

>>12418865
RDS.a

>>12421239
Yes, so they will keep stocks price up so that people will keep buying from these businesses.

>>12421239
>muh corporate debt

A large portion was paid off after 2016 tax cuts and now every company on the sp500/nasdaq is swimming in cash

where can I trade on 10-20x leverage on individual equities or indices in the US? Does it require $10k cash for an InteractiveBrokers account? Since 1broker shut down i cant use BTC to make gains anymore, and havent found anywhere else to do it yet

>>12421267
The stock price doesn't determine the demand for the commodity the underlying company is producing. You can't buyback stocks or send out dividends if you're in default, either.

>>12421275
This article is from late November of last year, I urge you to take a look at some of the graphs such as pic related. And no, it's not a good sign that it's plateauing.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/these-5-charts-warn-that-the-us-corporate-debt-party-is-getting-out-of-hand-2018-11-29

Most of the tax cut money went to buybacks and dividends not deleveraging.

Strongly considering selling out of some of my losers (atvi or amd) to buy more lci.

>>12421369
move to Australia and your losers will become winners.

>>12421354
>Most of the tax cut money went to buybacks and dividends not deleveraging.

Incorrect. Buybacks were from EXTRA money. First and foremost the money was used to Raise wages. Next they used it to pay off debt and do buybacks.

Your article is fucking useless and full of 'what if this, what if that'
News flash: the interests rates arent even high. You wont see big corporations default for decades. The credit spread remains low since 2016 putting corporate debt into an even BULLISH light

>>12421048
>tfw we haven't seized the means of reproduction

>>12420964
how heavy is that bad you're holding?

>>12421451
>First and foremost the money was used to Raise wages.
Most of the compensation granted as a result of the tax breaks was in the form of one time bonuses, real inflation adjusted wages are still flat. The fact of the matter is corporate debt is still at historic highs. Interests may not be that high, but they were pretty much at zero for years. Business models that worked at near zero costs of borrowing may not be so great now. Especially those who issued floating rate bonds, pic related.

How much money will I need to make it into elite society when the great class warfare comes along and most of the underclass is enslaved/slaughtered?

>>12421354
>falling for russian psyop
umm yikes. i'll be buying spxl.

>>12421505
>inflation adjusted wages

Dumb communist changing goalposts. Believe it or not, the minimum wages have increased a dollar or more per year since 2017, that beats inflation.

Buisness that 'have worked at 0 interest' are WELL aware of rising interest rates and have taken insurance obviously. Corporate debt is a 2015 meme

>>12421505
You should use your fancy model to find the ideal leverage on the SP500
1x? 2x? 3x? 50x??

>>12421528
its between 2 and 3 if you have iron hands, which presumably you don't

its even better in more modern times, recessions are less often and not nearly as big, we dont have great depressions anymore where we lose 80%, we barely even hit 50% anymore which is basicallyj ust a couple month correction before we go bull again

>>12421524
>minimum wages
now who's moving the goalposts. minimum wage must increase because the cost of living and bare necessities increase. Homeless and sick people tend to make bad workers. The fact of the matter is, if businesses did increase wages permanently and the labor market was tight enough for wages to increase /faster/ than inflation then it would put leveraged companies at an even greater disadvantage because the higher labor costs would be cutting into their bottom line.

>>12421574
Im allowed to change the subject because I already BTFO you

The minimum wage did not increase until the tax cuts. So lucky your kind is, that the Corporations are thinking of the little guy :) so quit complaining

>>12421369
yeeaaahh buddy

everyone here is so smart. i am proud of all of you

>>12421587
>btfo
>corporate debt is no longer an issue because it all dissipated in 2016 due to orange man's tax cuts
>here's a chart proving it didn't
>haha you're so btfo
if you don't know how to click on images it's ok anon.

>So lucky your kind is, that the Corporations are thinking of the little guy :) so quit complaining
So lucky we all are, that the master requires such slaves fit in both mind and body.

>>12421528
Let me run some numbers real quick.

>>12421639
>orange man
so let me get this straight, this meme is unironically used by seething foreigners?
(Its actually just the republican policy btw, Trump has helped a lot though)

I read your dumb article too its just retarded because you and "sunny" have no idea how to actually monitor debt problems though the credit spread and fundamentals? whatever man

>>12421609
based gwim

>bought $250 in puts yesterday on robinhood
>kept an eye on it going up and down all day
>shitty workday flew by because i was watching myself go from 50% profit to 50% loss every couple hours

I get why people get addicted to this shit, it's fun as fuck

>>12421687
>so let me get this straight, this meme is unironically used by seething foreigners?
Literally how everyone's been referring to Trump ITT.

>I read your dumb article too its just retarded because you and "sunny" have no idea how to actually monitor debt problems though the credit spread and fundamentals
The Fed came to the same conclusion that corporate debt is the biggest risk to the economy. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/fed-flags-concerns-over-corporate-debt-in-first-ever-financial-stability-report-2018-11-28

The only difference between me and Jerome is that I think the fundamentals of the economy aren't strong enough to effectively mitigate this risk.

>>12421730
>He shorted the bottom

So does anyone unironically think the bear market is over, or are people just LARPing?

>>12421751
the only people that say Orange man unironically are Gays like Comfy and Pendulum, Leftypol, and Spic/Eurotrash. Im going to assume youre a Spic from Leftypol or a Normal Brit lmao

>>12421829
I literally picked it up from using /biz/ never seen it anywhere else. Only started using /leftypol/ yesterday after taking nearly a year long break.

>>12421829
I've started saying it so often here it's basically become unironic.

>>12421827
there never was a bear market, it was just a glitch that allowed us to pick up some cheapies. You did buy the dip right anon?

>>12421827
only people who are under influence of russian psyops (apparently, most of the retail) think that the bull run ended in the first place.

>>12421827
It will be choppy for a while but I think we already hit the low, yes.

>>12421800
>every stock follows the same trend

>>12421829
Comfy is a skank.

>>12421903
>Comfy is a shank
Confirmed

>>12421609
Joke's on you, I'm actually a brainlet

>>12421528
3x seems to be ideal, above that the lows while in stocks get really low and gains become unreliable. I'd post the graph but it was very messy and I couldn't fit the legend. Let me see if I can clean it up.

>>12421963
Awesome! Thank you
I assume the NASDAQ would have a lower ideal volatility?

>>12421800
>implying that we reached the bottom

Thoughts on my new tat?

>>12421982
I would assume so but I don't have the data for it.

Also, I should note that when you get around 10x you get into negative territory most of the time regardless of what strategy you use, that includes just plain dividend reinvesting.

>>12422047
lol

>>12422047
it's very wall street. it seems like you bought into their marketing very well!

>>12422047
Very kino Anon!

>>12422047
i think i saw you at occupy bro, keep fighting the good fight

>>12422047
did you post that on stocktwits?

>>12421687
fair enough. i will read up on these subjects and report back with my thoughts smg.

where can i trade on leverage in the US without having $10k for InteractiveBrokers

>>12422382
Ally Invest allows you to margin trade with 2000 in the account plus 50% of the amount you're trading.

When we're talkin about the yield curve inverting, we're talkin about how the spread between 10y T-bonds and 2y T-bonds is negative, right?

>>12422427
Usually, but the general idea is that short term bonds should have lower yields than long term ones, so I'm still taking it as a bearish signal that the spread between 1 year and 7 year bonds has dipped into the negatives several times now.

Hey guys Ricky here with tech wood solutions
Just wanted to stop by to say BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP- ugh alright, see you all on monday!

>>12422507
But the 2y and 10y have yet to dip into negative right? i mean i wouldn't invest aggressively right now but we probably still have a year or two of growth according to the yield curve?

>>12422713
Post 2008 regulations and monetary policy have likely affected the effectiveness of the yield curve as an indicator. Since this the first time we're seeing inversions since 2008 I'm choosing to remain as low risk as possible. And so far I've been beating the market as a result.

you guys reckon its worth putting 1000 into a fund account with 5.65% monthy divvys or putting 500 split across two funds, one with the 5.65% and one higher risk at 12% but the divvys are bi annually

What do you goys want for movie night?
I'm thinking either blair witch or the second mad max

>>12422768
it's a good plan. Are you sticking with exclusively Bonds or have you left entirely the stock market?

>>12422798
I mean, it's impossible to say without knowing the funds.

>>12422808
water world

>>12422818
I have two stocks, DG and VRSK. Other than that a very small amount in 2x inverse ETFs. Everything else I have is in bonds, so about 80% of my portfolio.

>>12422808
Nightcrawler

>>12422857
what do your returns look like?

>>12422873
top pick

>>12422890
I've been suggesting it since September 2018, and he's still never played it

>>12422907
We've yet to watch Brokeback Mountain together.

gay

>>12422930
They have the same lead actor (Jake Gyllenhaal), but I think Nightcrawler was the best performance of his career

>>12422808
Heart of darkness (a film makers apocalypse)

>>12422941
*Hearts

But yes, would be a terrific pick for movienight

>>12422823

The 5.65% im interested in is

https://www.hl.co.uk/funds/fund-discounts,-prices--and--factsheets/search-results/a/artemis-high-income-class-i-monthly-income

lost the 12% one but mainly interested in this one anyway

>>12422808
why even bother asking when you probably wont be able to put up anyways

>>12422808
You (Netflix)

>>12422874
It took my a second but I had wanted to do a total accounting of things for 2018.

My TIPS and I series bonds won't start paying interest till next year, but they earn interest at .75% plus inflation and 2.5% respectively. I have some money in a schawb account that's managed for me and that got about -3.58% for 2018 but I don't have much money in it. For the money I actively manage in my ally invest account I got about 4% totals returns last year with 5.5% realized returns. So that's roughly 2.6% for everything put together. I also recently put some money into a CD that locked me in at a rate of 2.75% for 1 year. Ironically it's the money I trusted to the professionals that's been hurting my portfolio the most.

>>12420133
When the drugs take hold, you never know what's going to happen. Better to prepare the runway

>>12423034
Well, you should not that yield is quoted in annual terms. So it's not 5.65% per month, it's 5.65/12 per month. That said, it's not terrible yield, especially since you're (presumably) a bong where yield is generally lower.

>>12419722
If you think that's degenerate, you'll have a field trip on /h/ and /d/.

>>12423117
this guy has guaranteed 5.65% annual bonds available to him? that seems really high when the markets barely reach 10% annually and that has a lot of volatility, whereas bonds have 0

>>12423164
You can read the fund details yourself; it's not just bonds in the fund. In fact, the fund price is down quite a bit recently due in no small part to the riskier yield assets it holds.

>>12422825
>>12422873
>>12422971
Which ever stream link I find first we'll watch!
Google drive has been rejecting full movies lately

>>12423117
Oh, so essentialy i'd be getting 0.47% per month?

>>12423227
Basically. Still better than any savings account.

>>12422971
>>12423221
We're going to try and go with this pick! Thanks anon

>>12422808
wallstreet

>>12423271
Nice! I've never actually seen it, just heard good things

>>12423301
Unfortunately comfy never picks biz related movies ( I spent over a month asking for Wall Street, among others)

I'm just happy if we don't watch some retarded gory shit

>>12423334
We watched Trading Places AND The Big Short
Wallstreet looks bland

>>12423367
your tastee of movies is crap
heart of darkness crap

oh wow marlen brando was fat and crazy
so mystery

>>12423391
2 more days kneepad

>>12423367
Doesn't count, I missed trading places
>Wallstreet looks bland
Oh yes but the big short walk a pulse-pounding thriller that kept me on the edge of my seat

>_>

>>12423391
>>12423421

>>12423334
We also watched the floor trading documentary, the Delorean docu, the Enron TV movie, and the cocaine selling docu. I still do want to see Margin Call desu tho

>have the film in .avi
>cy doesn't accept .avi
>covert to .mp4
>audio track gets lost
>converts to .webm
>plays a voice over instead of the main track
Kms
>>12423659
I forgot about the cocaine one, that was fucking lit

buy SQQQ

>>12423884
do not buy SQQQ

>>12424026
Cuter gif. I buy my stocks based on the images/gifs/webms of the posts that recommend them. No SQQQ it is.

>>12423659
>I still do want to see Margin Call desu tho
Then do it

>>12423705
So no movie after all?

>>12424081
movie night is in 1.5 hours!!

>>12421239
>durable good industry
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/10/fed-chief-jerome-powell-says-apples-iphone-sales-warning-shows-china-economy-is-slowing.html

It's happening in China already. China is a major global consumer and importer of durable goods now. The effects are bound to not be isolated.

>>12422664
I hate his face soo much.

>>12424249
Yeah this is exactly what I'm talking about. I think many US companies bet that the growth of China's market and demand would continue forever at it's current rate, even though that would be impossible. Now with higher rates and a tight american labor market the hit to profits could easily trigger a larger crisis.

>>12423705
Comfy fails again
What a surprise >>12423036

>>12424436
Rude, you're uninvited

>>12424335
he's pretty cringe.. the videos of him "picking up his highs school crush" are the most pathetic fucking videos ever... like.. hey.. look.. i have money.. i'm not a complete fucking beta loser

>>12424436
yeah no suprise there

>>12424448
put on wallstreet

>>12423884
shill me it

>>12424671
3x inverse NASDAQ

whats there to shill?

>>12424460
>put on wallstreet
agreed

>>12424685
whats 3x mean?

>>12424706
3x inverse. 3x = amount of cleavage.

>>12424706
QQQ moves down 1% = SQQQ moves up 3%

>>12424712
now this is a stock i can get behind

MOVIE NIGHT 2 MINUTES

>>12424724
It's gonna moon

>>12424740
I think we haven't reached the bottom yet but i kinda don't wanna believe it since i have investments that would benefit a bull run.

>>12417203
It is tanking for reasons that have nothing to do with the business. My man bezos may come out of this half as rich, but, he will be refreshed having more free time without some old harpy tying him down and free rain to fuck Hollywood hotties. He will have time to really think about ways to inovate.

>>documentary of a disaster

comedy gold?

>>12417224
Google is having trouble expanding when its own employees boycott expansion into China and advances in image recognition through ai.

Unironically holding 2,370 shares of SQQQ

>>12420133
Obviously there is such a thing as too much available credit (which hurts your credit score). But another part of your credit score is how close you are to maxing your available credit. So your score is better if you have say $20,000 available, but only use $2,000 a month (10% utilization) then if you spend $2,000 a month on the cards but only have $4,000 available (50% utilization).

>>12424791
Yeah, i think we got one more dip before the bottom. But it'll be really bad. Worse than later 2018

>>12424791
>stochiometric RSI

Why not just use actual RSI

>>12424791
also, fundamentals always trump technicals
orange man making a good deal with china or more good macroeconomic data could easily send it straight through resistance

>>12424791

Let's play rival schools of TA!

I agree a retrace down is imminent but I'm projecting a smaller move than you are. I think old resistance at 155.88 will hold as new support on this particular leg. If it does hold, it should head up to the major short term falling trend at ~164.50 (purple line). After that is too far in the future for me to predict. Breaking that falling trend would signal bullish reversal but who knows what the hell is going to happen.

>>12424908
>Implying any news headlines coming out to the unwashed masses haven't already been priced in by all the interconnected and influential market movers weeks in advance
NEVER invest based off of what you see in the news

>>12424994

Also if the 155.88 breaks, next support is 149.50.

>>12424908
>orange man making a good deal with china or more good macroeconomic data
what if the deal is bad, or no deal?

what if data ends up being shit

remember, earnings week is about to start.....

>>12425001
yes, news is the laggingest indicator of all

>>12425027
I'm not seeing 155.88 as a support, please explain

>>12425050
Former resistance levels have a tendency to switch roles to support once broken above.

>>12425072
I know that but I'm not seeing where that value is derived from. If it is a support, it cannot be a strong one with 2 price reactions dictating it

>>12425032
>Trusts orange man to make a good deal with Chyna.
>Man doesn't understand how a simple steel wall is a waste of money.
Not gonna make it. Get rekt bulls

>>12425084

Sorry, it's not precisely 155.88. That's just where I eyeballed the line. The resistance point is defined by the two highs of 155.59 (Dec 28) and 155.75 (Jan 2) which lead to a drop to 149.49 (Jan 3).

>he shorted the bottom

OH NONONONONONO

>>12425140
JUST

>>12425140
Holy fucking JUST. Is the man behind this still alive?

>>12425140
ok, this is epic
just buy index funds kiddos lmao its a guaranteed result, dont play memes and get mad when you lose your life savings every other month

>>12425140
This is probably a paper trade account.

>>12425140
that sucks.. i wonder how big their portfolio was

>>12425191
Real. Look at his account from 23 days ago.

>>12425192
>>12425199

jeeeeesus.

>>12425199
Skeptical, but what is this supposed to be, a compulsive gambler?

>>12417789
rode that train a few times, luckily gained both but that shit's too volatile and can swing hard either way

Test

Ok im making a new stickerbitch memes and dreams calendar, so start submitting dates and events/announcements that should be on a calendar!!!

going to start with basic earnings reports over the course of tonight/tomorrow

>>12425364
dividend payouts for big ETFs and blue chips could be good
also moon phases no even being silly

>>12425373
yea superbloodmoon on MLK day in a week or so

also:testing

https://calendar.google.com/calendar/embed?src=gj48e1knovt0dcs22o8mkvhgg4%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America%2FDetroit

>>12425373
yea superbloodmoon on MLK day in a week or so

also: anyone know how to make a public link to a google calendar? ive never use gmail calendars before

im trying to copy this old one:

https://calendar.google.com/calendar/embed?src=moonmissioncontrol%40gmail.com

>>12425434
ok i think i have it, feel free to link in new OP copypasta, and feel even more free to suggest more additions, ill try to check thread for suggestions at least once a day

https://calendar.google.com/calendar/embed?src=moonmissioncontrol2.0%40gmail.com

I'm totally new to all of this and am willing to learn all I can and put my life on the line.
Is this a game I should allow myself to play /biz/?
Will the waves of the stocks consume me?

>>12425575
buy index funds, QQQ and SPY, and do nothing else

you cannot lose this way

>>12425575
Never listen to people who speak in absolute terms (like this one >>12425580). Every trade you make is yours and yours ONLY. Don't expect people to server you the answer on a silver platter.
Good luck!

>>12425575

Yes. It's fun. You have control over how much risk you want to take on in exchange for how much upside you want to swing for in whatever kind of time frame you're looking at. Trading ranges from low risk low reward to high risk high reward and everything in between. The most interesting bit for me is finding setups that allow low risk entry with high reward possibilities.

even if its sunday, its kinda euro hours rn, so ill ask:

any frogs here wanna talk/know about this supposed bank run thats going to happen as part of les gilets jaunes? is this supposed to have started already, or is it happening on monday morning, when the banks re-open?

https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/yellow-vest-protesters-call-for-huge-run-on-french-banks/news-story/ed334ed08b2ccfc13ca1b108c78f25eb
https://archive.is/F1QJm

imo this is a great idea
the number one way to get powerful people to beg and whimper like injured animals is to attack their wallets. they LARP all tuff and shit but you take their income stream and wew, wat a change of heart
thank fuck for fucking frenchmen to teach us how to revolt in the 21st century.

what are everyones predictions of whats gonna happen if this bank run is realized and is severe enough? i think it might soon be the time to short the euro down considerably. waiting until after french central banks can no longer prop up their banks any longer, of course (they really cant afford to do something like this for very long while experiencing this much civil unrest). likewise, it may be time to kill eurozone banks (im looking at you DB)

what do YOU all think is likely to happen to the EU market/economy if massive amounts of frogs try to draw their money all at once? adding huge inflation to an already unstable market?
what would this do to the US market?

>>12426250
something tells me this is a very scary thought for EU bankers and politicians. even if the initial amount is not much, it could cause a chain reaction imo

>>12426258
No one significant will adhere. What would you do with say 50k or 100k in cash?
And no one will open a bank account on switzerland to do it either.

>inb4 crypto

>>12424791

What's your average price for the SQQQ you've accumulated?

>>12426258
>>12426250
Systemic risk event
Chain reaction occurs when French Banks can't pay back the loans/bonds to the Euro Central bank and the Basel system is compromised.
This will have heavy repercussions for banks already committed to the Basel system.

PIGS and the rest of Europe (Esp. Germany) will collectively shit themselves and we may see the Franc come back.

>>12426362
normies mostly buy things in stores, so cash or not doesn't matter in their daily routine.

>>12426789
Yes, but how will you store large amounts of cash (euro paper bills)? Bury it in the backyard? Below the mattress?
Buy gold, crypto?

Normies with more than 200€ in checking will never do any of this.

isn't shorting italian and greek banks basically free money?

>>12426362
possible
i cant imagine the whole of the protestors life savings (who are complaining of lack of money on their behalf) have enough money to significantly move the euro

tho my concern comes over what happens if this gets non protestors to jump too (its possible imo)

>>12426788 (chegged)
this was more what i was thinking.
it all comes down to how oney big boys jump as well, or wether theyve already jumped out of the euro last year (i suspect many are over in CHF)

>PIGS and the rest of Europe (Esp. Germany) will collectively shit themselves and we may see the Franc come back.
that would be unironically baste and redpilled

>>12427462
why not deustche?

>>12427164
i was seeing the idea tossed around to subsequently sell those euros into another foreign currency in an effort to exacerbate the bank run. i think if enough did this it could be very severe

>>12427602
Yeah DB is also fucking shit. But don't they have a ton of exposure to PIGS?

>>12427625
i think so
i really should pay more attention to the specifics of euro finance
i believe it is a very weak point in the collective intl finance framework

i know DB is essentially the EUs piggy bank, so i assume they have exposure to PIGS, and ive also heard horror stories (tho in the form of unsubstantiated rumors) of their nightmarish balance sheet in regards to greece alone, post 2016. i dont doubt the rest of the PIGS countries are anything but more of the same for them desu

its this sort of inter-connectedness and collective weakness thats why i think that even a minor bank run could have severe effects. the euro market has been looking white as a sheet for about a year now.

>>12427663
Honestly i doubt europe could really recover after another recession. For fuck's sake the STOXX 600 still hasn't recovered from the great recession. Fuck the EU.

How do I take a long position on the Rothschilds?

america have the best fundamentals. there is no reason to think that stocks such as spy and qqq will crash. in fact, other people will flock into there as a safe haven from their shitty countries.

What's a good market tracking app. I work in the trades so can't be at the computer all day but want to stay up to date.

>>12427750
your image is retarded

>>12427705
>Fuck the EU
this desu senpai
i hope it does
and i think that these protests if they continue in this way will be the straw that broke the camels back

>>12426250
Actually a bank run protest probably wouldn't work in the US. reserve/capital requirements are much higher and the fdic protection is much more robust. Wheras the French only have .3% of their deposit guarantee pre funded.

As for the actual impact who knows. They would have to force a bank to run through its reserves and then blow past the money the govt has for the deposit guarantees. Possible, but still difficult. If that happens the French government will be on the hook for paying the rest of the money withdrawn and the bank would probabaly collapse with potential ripple affects.

>>12427891
>Actually a bank run protest probably wouldn't work in the US. reserve/capital requirements are much higher and the fdic protection is much more robust. Wheras the French only have .3% of their deposit guarantee pre funded.
yea this last part is exactly what i DIDNT know, that caught my eye
i think it could be very easy to ruffle some bankers feathers over there

Is it better to short with CFD's or borrowing stock on IB?

>>12425575
It’s not hard, people make this stock stuff out to be more complicated than it actually is. Buy stock in companies you use, companies who make a good product. Then sell it when it’s worth more than what you bought it for.

That’s it.

>>12427911
Well in regards to the intended effect the bank reserves are much more important, since a bank without liquidity could easily cause a crisis, and the bank that's going under wouldn't be getting any of the money from the deposit guarantee, which goes to the depositors.
Of course breaking the deposit guarantee fund does great a new political bomb because then you have to get the money from taxes or govt debt.
I know European banks have been complaining for years that the higher American reserve/capital requirements put them on an uncompetitive disadvantage by making American banks look safer to deal with.

>>12428022
>I know European banks have been complaining for years that the higher American reserve/capital requirements put them on an uncompetitive disadvantage by making American banks look safer to deal with.
lmao
self awareness much?
of course a bank that looks ready to go tits up in GOOD times isnt gonna look so hot compared to the USs post dodd frank banks. like, no shit?

euro financials are fucktarded and it seems they are the ones to start this whole shindig (exactly as I, not Q, predicted. muahahahaha)

>>12428047
It's so reckless that it's planned. No doubt. The banks are supposed to fail. EU is made to fail.

>>12427594
The 'Big Boys' already made the jump during the US stock market and USD pump of 2018

>>12428074
Crisis to bring about federation mah boiiii

>>12428095
i think so too (i also think they were behind the pump to CHF desu)
that said, this is about forcing liquidity issues onto EU banks at an extremely stressful time. it all comes back to how long french central banks can prop them up if it happens. and with all the other shit going on as a protest for taxes, imagine the outrage if they have to go full 08 and literally bail out their banks BEFORE a crash.

>>12428074
still, they do NOT seem to want it to happen YET.
everywhere i see this being discussed is being shilled heavily/derailed. manual shills too. the major tactic seems to be to (still) keep trying to associate it with far right terrorists (see >>12426258 pic)

i think these bankers and polis are too out of touch to placate these protestors. they seem to be honestly TRYING in their own way, and literally everything theyve done has made it a thousand times worse

>>12428169
>they have to go full 08 and literally bail out their banks
There is no way they can perform a bailout and they are not in any position to finance any economic stimulus package.
They and by extension, we are waiting for the end. Some have already begun waiting out the end.

>>12422808
the big short

>>12428551
This may be the case in Europe, but the post Dodd frank regulatory regime means that most big banks in the US will survive another similar kind of crash. Smaller banks who didn't get targeted with a lot of new regulations got saddled with a lot of the bigger bank's riskier assets all while having very low and dubious capital requirements. In the US we will see massive consolidation in banking in the next crisis.

It is an interesting question to ask, though, what would happen to Europe if it's financial system failed and the governments were no longer in a position to bail things out. I guess there's a couple scenarios: a bail in as creditors liquidate investors and depositors, governments take on unfavorable leverage to bail things out anyway and become the bitch of whatever major power has the most money to send them, or a populist government comes to power that issues some kind of jubilee regardless of the political consequences internationally. Who this empowers, the left, the right, China, Russia, the US,, is all completely up for grabs.

Whats going to be the best performing stock of 2019 and why is it LCI?

>>12428852
TVIX will probably have the best one day gains this year

>>12428852
buddy...

Somehow relevant to the economic discussion that we're having here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSuQ-AyiicA
Carlson Tucker is clearly a marxist trying to get the populace to revolt against our debt-based financial system and reinstall either: cryptocurrency or gold based economy and basically ban debt.
Rise in the Trumpism and Hayekianism are causing this anxiety in the market I think. The big players are either buying or selling based on this information. If they are buying, then they are confident that this revolt will fail by simply buying out our trust.

>>12429145
based and vixpilled.

>>12429190
LCI is already up 56% for the year... looking for another 100%-200% gains from here.. you really think KO is going to gain 200% this year?? that's going to be kinda hard with a market cap of 200billion don't you think?

>>12429247
yeah fuck this bullshit and just buy lci calls and get it to $15 next week.

>>12429190
nah I'll just stick with the bru thanks

>>12429212
That would be more of a Proudhonian position. It should be noted that Marx's critique was leveled, first and foremost, at capitalism that was based around commodity money, i.e. gold, which he assumed was the only kind of money. If anything that should tell you changing the currency won't fix all our problems.

Hi /SMG/, hope someone can help me out.

Is it worth getting a job at a market maker for the purpose of getting experience in trading, in general, and perhaps later on specializing in an asset? Or am I wasting my time by doing this?

>>12429320
Yes, that is the point. We've peaked and our current solution is the best. This anxiety is just a fake red scare. Trump is not going to stop the debt based economy, so just buy the fucking spy calls.

>>12429342
yes

Who here is long NIO, i've got 113 shares and will probably buy another lot on monday.

>>12429350
Thanks!

>>12429269
>No MNST
Sad!

>>12429247
>LCI is already up 56% for the year
are we in the same timeline?

>>12429427
>>12429247
>>12429190
>>12428852
>Whats going to be the best performing stock of 2019 and why is it LCI?
>best performing stock of 2019
>2019


please tell me you are only pretending to be retarded because you sure are doing a good fucking job. Just keep holding onto your KO.. maybe you'll get 8% on it this year. :)

>>12429427
i think he means YTD

>>12429427
YTD you stupid tripfag

>>12429476
>>12429475
he once said the an option is the same thing as a stock lol

>>12429427
>trip fag is brain dead
riveting

>>12429494
im impressed. you got all the anons to fall for LCI

can't wait until the JUSTening happens.

>>12429536
LCI is just now starting its climb

Lurk more newfag

>>12429536
as an amateur pink wojak collector I'm also waiting in anticipation

somebody bake a new bread

>>12429536
>calling out a tripfag for being too idiotic to switch chart to YTD means I fell for another tripfag's meme-shilling

>>12429562
bagsie not it

>>12429550
say the market re-tests dec. lows after lackluster bank earnings, in your opinion will lci go down in tantamount fashion, thus making a red day for the indexes a good lci buy opportunity? Trying to find a nice dip entry point but I dont know much about the price action for LCI

>>12429342
That sounds like a great place to get experience for that kind of work, anon.

>>12429347
Well I think the idea of an optimal solution in terms of currency is flawed. We've had long cycles of about 500 years or so of money being based primarily around debt or around commodities. The anxiety is very real, however, because the stimulus effect of debt is fading over time and whether Trump shifts us away from debt or not, it should be noted just how volatile capitalism was before the Fed, and modern monetary policy (I mean this descriptively, not the econ theory). Recessions happened every other year and prices changed wildly from year to year. After the Fed but before modern monetary policy we got the great depression.

Now, our regulatory framework has evolved in other ways besides just monetary policy, we have things like the FDIC that make runs on the bank less likely, but that doesn't quite address the underlying risk, just the trigger. If we move back to a time when we can't use easy money policies based on debt to get ourselves out of giant crashes, we could go back to the great depression as the model for downturns. I'm not sure our current economic and political systems would be able to handle that.

>>12429562
theres already one but they didnt link it

New
>>12428780

>>12429598
Crypto has great depressions regularly and we're doing ok... I'm not sure what to take away from your thoughts. So, it appears that the current monetary policy really is working? It's just a question of browbeating people into believing it.

>>12429686
Crypto has crashes in its price, it's really not the same as a depression.

The current monetary policy framework has been somewhat effective at decreasing the amount of crises and their magnitude since the great depression, but their ability to do so is diminishing.