/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>12283474
Anyone have experience doing this?

>>12283474
>>12283483
Imagine the smell

>>12283474
>>12283483
>implying you're going to cook everyday in this crawl hole, or take a decent shit anywhere. It fucking sucks

>>12283522
Toogoodtogo food app allows you to get food at 80% discounts from restaurants or get meal deals, so you wouldn't neccesarily cook every day. I could take shits at the gym and pee in special containers that you later throw away.

>>12283474
You will lose your job when you become depressed from living in a van,
Maybe you could make it if you live close enough to the gym and keep a regular schedule there, like walking/running on the treadmill a few times a day to let out the pent up energy you would build up from being in a small enclosure within another small enclosure.

Lack of real bathroom and kitchen would probably break you though, even accounting for the endorphin buildup from going to the gym everyday.

That is, if your soul crushing job doesn't destroy you to the point that going to the gym is too much effort, and your lack of energy from poor nutrition due to living off shit meals because no kitchen doesn't break you first.

This basically seems like being the 1% of a homeless population. Sure, you're better than that brain damaged fuck sleeping next to a gutter in the city, but you're still fucking homeless.

Retarded plan. Not well thought out. Obviously born of desperation and a low sense of self worth.

>>12283553
The van comes with a kitchen.
The van can have a TV and XBOX installed.
Mirrors can be installed to provide a bigger sense of space.
Vitamin pills.
It's only for a year or two to save up cash.
Could buy for a similar price a motorhome.

>>12283474
Why not just get a part time job or something? Will save you.more money. And not to mention you don't have to live like you are homeless. If you just want to save up 25k in two years, you can just make simple lifestyle changes like shaving with a safety razor, putting a bottle in your flush tank, not buying a phone every 3 years, selling your old stuff online, etc. If you really want to start a business just get a small loan, 25 k isn't that much money. Just take out a loan if you really want to start a business. But you won't do any of that, because you are a larping NEET op.

>>12283567
Alright, but you also need to workout a nearby laundromat.

And basically have a priority of keeping your work clothes washed and laundered and kept in an airtight container to keep the "van smell" from making a permanent presence in them.

Living minimal won't be hard since you're already thinking about doing this "lifestyle" choice.

I just.. I don't think this is a good idea and is the kind of sick (mentally sick) and sad plan of economic desperation. It's no way to live and setting the bar this low will more then likely lead to long-term poverty and not improved riches in a year or two due to economic savings.

I wage slave a shit job and it's struggle city. But in the 18 or so months I've been slaving away - really slaving away - due to motivation of "playing catchup" after being a neet for eight straight years I'm slowly starting to make it, and I haven't had to resort to something like this which I honestly think you're underestimating how soul crushing it will be.

I used to fantasize about doing something like this (But with a shit car and a tent/tarp setup) when I was a neet. But in hindsight, I see it for what it was: Pitiful desperation and complete lack of hope and ambition.

You need to stop thinking that this is a viable option. Because whether you realize it or not, this is a spiral down to a bad road.

IMO.

>>12283577
Would have a full time position during the van/motorhome.
Renting a 1 bed with my girlfriend is between council tax, rent, and bills around 7200 each a year. We could tripple that and save up even more by doing the motorhome/van idea.

Interest rates on that loan suck and I'd want to start my business in the Philippines or Colombia, hence the loan wouldn't be able to work as it would have to be in the UK.

>>12283577
>just make simple lifestyle changes like shaving with a safety razor, putting a bottle in your flush tank, not buying a phone every 3 years, selling your old stuff online, etc.

none of that will give him any significant money, ur more of a brainlet than the aspiring gypsy

if ur not shitting at work already op, ur doing it wronk

>>12283591
I can budge. The garage I would be renting each month to put the van in has a washing machine, electricity and water. The psychological barrier could be eliminated by always wondering where I will go for the weekend with my van/motorhome.

It's not economic desperation; I could easily just get a studio/home-share/1 bed with my girlfriend and half half the rent. I've got about 5k in savings already. But saving up an extra 500-600 a month by doing this and having a portable "home" for a while doesn't seem that bad.

I'm very flexible.

>>12283601
Well that's the other thing. Shit at work. Lol.
It's not as bad as people make it seem...

>>12283474
You're forgetting insurance, taxes and gas are you sure you know how much it will cost? I don't think living in a van is necessarily cheaper

>>12283474
Protip: the secret to making it isn't by saving money, it's making more income.
This is literally like trying to win a race by watching the trip and not the speedo.

I only recommend van life if you're at a temp job or in school, where you've got a fixed income and won't be enduring the soul crushing day to day responsibilities that living outdoors requires.
You will ultimately be surprised how much money a full-sized refrigerator saves you, how much time you waste by trekking to the gym to shower, and how bad commercial food makes you feel.

>>12283474
I live in a van working online as an SEO content writer and online English Teacher.

I make about $700 a week and work whenever I want, usually in the afternoons so I get to do whatever the fuck I want.

I bought my van in Mexico for $2000 USD and spent $1500 on conversions. I've got a toilet, shower, bed, kitchen and everything I need.

My partner and dog also live with me. She is also an Online English Teacher and works more than I do to make the same money.

Between us we pay $40 a month for LTE internet and roughly $400 a month on fuel. That figure is dramatically lower if we choose to stop in a place for a while. We eat pretty well as I'm a former chef and know how to not eat like a redneck. Food costs are roughly $100 a week.

We don't really need to spend, but money just accumulates when you live this lifestyle. We are getting pretty close to saving up for a mortgage deposit, which we plan to simply rent out and keep living this life for as long as possible.

Do it OP, don't look back. Today I've been hiking in British Columbia while fucktards are working full time to sustain a shitty city lifestyle.

>>12283611
>The garage I would be renting each month to put the van in has a washing machine, electricity and water.

Ah okay, that's way better. Seems reasonable now. I was imaging just the van in a tight spaced garage rental with nothing more than maybe a power outlet.

Seems doable and not as hellish as I thought if that's the case. I personally wouldn't want to do it and I guess my reluctance to ever do such a thing is showing.

In the longrun you might come out on top. But I'm wage slaving away and in another nine months at this rate (If work doesn't kill me) I will have enough for a down payment on a brand new modern apartment.

I'll still have to wage slave, but at least I'll have a comfy home to come to each day.

>>12283474
remember you got to tax, pay insurance, and mot it epsecially if you are getting a older van, and dont think its legal to park anywhere and sleep so check that out

>>12283637
this attitude is why majority of people are cucked to the system.

the comfort zone is nice, but nothing ever grows there. You'll be the same wage slave 9 years from now. The system isn't designed for you to make it. It's simply designed to make you think you need to work until you have a more comfortable apartment so you can continue to work for the banks to never pay it off.

>>12283624
Not really no.
The van wouldn't move that often as it would be parked at the garage most of the time. Some weekends I would just straight up stay in London and not drive. So gas at minimum, say around 24.2GBP per 100km at current price; each month around 100GBP (yearly average) so 1.2k a year. Insurance would be, what, 400 a year with something like Aviva? Total of 1.6k so far. And around 140 a year for tax. 1740 a year is a rough estimate. Still beats it VS rent.

>>12283634
How did you get the online teacher job? I've been wanting to make the switch, but I don't know what jobs I can get

>>12283633
Im turning 22 in a month and graduating with a meme degree.
Can't start earning 100k or whatever you are alluring to just like that. So the prospect of saving like 25k or whatever to get a mortgage or start a succesfull business abroad by the age of 23-24 seems like happy days to me.

>>12283634
Not bad man. Sounds great! I see where you are coming from.

>>12283637
Very nice fren! I am glad you have made it :)

>>12283647
There's parking apps that tell you where to park for free. And that wouldn't be the case, as I would be renting a nice garage for 200 a month (100 a month each with my girlfriend). MOT is avg 32.5 so all combined I replied to someone with an average estimate of 1740 plus this 1775 a year to maintain the van.

>>12283553

Look at this nigga crushin dreams n shit

>>12283675
very easy, teaching Chinese children one-on one for $23 USD per hour. Here's the link. Give it a shot.

tiny url = /ycb3h859

>>12283507

My friend lives in a van and it doesn’t smell at all

>>12283685
This is totally possible OP. Does the garage owner know you are intending to sleep there? If there is a washer etc there then there is probably a little bit of space too for a chair and table. I have a kick ass moho that is my back up bug out plan but have 3 kids so doubt I will be moving into it any time soon!

>>12283719
Also unironically Facebook local groups are brilliant for van life communities.

>>12283483
Get a small class c RV that you can stand up in anon. You can park it in a normal lot even. Much better quality of life.

>>12283591
Totally disagree with this. Vanlife or a small TV is total freedom and without paying for rent. Your expenses are much lower and you can save money 3x as fast. Just depends if you are the type of person that can pull it off or not. You are not.

That would be impossible in Canada.
>8 months of freezing cold
>3 months of scorching heat
>1 month of decent moderate weather

Fuck this place

>>12283474
>>12283483
I've thought about this too OP. I would recommend watching Youtube vanlifers to get an idea of how it would work. You can get vans with built-in showers and hot water, with fridges and cookers. Obviously these are expensive to purchase but if you can DIY it you can do it cheaply.

Personally I prefer the idea of buying a gym membership to the most exclusive, fancy, quiet, nice gym I can find. One that gives you towels too. You would be encouraged to work out every day, and the showers will be nice and luxurious. To be honest, the showers in a posh gym are gonna be much nicer than the mouldy bathrooms you get at the bottom of the renting ladder in London.
It's definitely an alternative lifestyle. It's a valid one. Don't listen to people like this >>12283591 who obviously aren't cut out for anything other than NPC prescribed lifestyles.


Definitely, instead of paying £8000 MINIMUM for a shitty box room in a mould infested shared flat, you can spend that £8k on buying a van, and save up massive amounts of money that you would spend on rent. Then at the end you have an actual asset, a van, which you can sell on Gumtree for a few grand. Nicely done up ones even with 100,000 miles go for like £6k.

>>12283535
You can have a small cooker in your van - in fact, the car insurance on a van that is classed as a CAMPERVAN is much less than a normal vehicle, and one of the conditions to meet that insurance cut is that you have a fixed cooker installed

If you are into alternative lifestyles, I would look into getting a narrow boat, and living on the Regent's Canal. You can get a license to moor for about £200(?) a year, I believe, and you just have to move your boat every 2 weeks. You can live in high rent locations like Angel, near Shoreditch, little Venice, Camden, etc. all on the same canal route. However it's obviously a lot more commitment and requires ore knowledge and skills to maintain a boat.... plus I think the upkeep is more expensive.

>Showers and toilets at a 24/7 gym that costs 130 a year and has locations all around the UK (locate a garage next to the gym).

It was a good idea but it falls apart there. Not having a private bathroom is what separates bums from others.

>>12283611
if you get caught using the garage you'll be fucked, though.
I would just park on residential streets and move my van every couple of days. I know free parking is hard to find in London but you can for sure find free street parking in zone 2 and beyond. Plus living in a garage would surely be risky - couldn't you get poisoned from cooking gas or if the car has some kind of leak the fumes could kill you?

>>12283624
caravans have much lower car insurance than regular vehicles.
if you're comparing renting in a ridiculously overpriced place like London, having a van or a narrow boat is absolutely cheaper, plus you're not giving all your money to a landlord - you're investing in an (albeit depreciating) asset, than can be sold on at the end, and used vans do sell for 5 grand or so.
Narrow boats actually don't depreciate in value very much, OP. You can sell them for around the same as you bought them - especially now they are so sought after in London due to people having exactly the same thoughts as OP.

>>12283637
>>12283611
What garage has a washing machine?

Going to a laundrette is hardly a massive inconvenience.
I actually think the luxury gym showers would be even nicer than living in a flat if you're living in the lowest tier shitty flats.

>>12283685
Mate take a look at vanlifers on Youtube.
If you were willing to start a Youtube channel, you could also make income from that too. If you have a GF living in the van with you, get her to youtube and instagram - will easily get loads of subscriptions and money.


>>12283996
I've seen vanlifers on Youtube who live in cold countries like Canada. It just requires special insulation and extra effort... plus risk of mould, so you need good ventilation.
The UK can also have cold snaps, so you'd need proper insulation.

>>12284010
>Not having a private bathroom is what separates bums from others.
Posh gyms with a limited number of memberships available are very quiet and nice. The other money saving option is living in a shared flat, so your bathroom isn't private... Would you rather share a flat with some potentially unclean flatmate who doesn't clean after themselves, or share a bathroom with high-income fancypants gym members, with staff and cleansers to keep everything clean?

>>12283474
I'm living in London too, OP. It's the worst place I've ever lived: crowded, noisy, polluted, dangerous, and expensive. Unfortunately, it's where the jobs are. My plan is to save up my cash too and get the fuck out of here. I thought about the van thing, and also getting a houseboat, but it's a lot of effort for not much reward. I rent a single room in a shared house for £400pcm and while I could maybe save £200 more doing the van thing it's not a lot. I'm still saving about £1300 a month even on a pretty shit £33k salary
On a separate note:
FUCK LONDON
FUCK GLOBALISATION
FUCK NPCS
FUCK 'DIVERSITY'
FUCK POLLUTION
FUCK CHAMPAGNE SOCIALISTS
FUCK PEOPLE WHO THINK LIVING IN A CITY IS A DESIRABLE THING
AND FUCK JANNIES

>>12283474
jew'ed

>>12283634
Nice
Now set up a blog, rank for thos van conversion long tail keywords and sell infoproducts to make 30k a month

>>12283474
Do whatever it takes to make it. I approve.

>>12283553
I live in a box everyday. My room is small. Not that different from a van.

>>12283597
have you ever been to philippines or colombia before saying this?

in philippines you will get scammed after your first year and will lose all your savings

in colombia, if your company is good you will have to pay the local mafia plenty of money every week

bruh, i've been to colombia and philippines many times, thailand too, brazil too.

you have to make it BEFORE going there

>>12283591
If it doesn't work out he can just go back to the way things were.

>>12283474
If you could get work in cornwall or devon I would say go for it. Otherwise prepare to freeze in the winter. I lived in a caravan with shitty insulation for years and it was fucking miserable in winter. I'm talling chilblains and not wanting to get out of bed in the morning because it was so cold you could see your breath.

>>12283633
How about spend as little as possible while at the same time make as much as possible. Frugality and high income can both be achieved at the same time.

>>12284065
Based and redpilled.

>>12283553
>dont save money goy rent from me or you are a loser

>>12283483

yes its hot as fuck and stank

>>12283591

dont forget you have to change spots every few days and have a good place to dump feces

>>12284009
You mean buying a boat?
My price range is 5-10k. Can't afford 50-200k :(

>>12283474
This would be so perfect if you combined it with an ATM business. Having to drive around to refill ATMs wouldn't even matter. If you have a weekly flea market near you, then you could open a small store and set up a table there whenever it's open. As an accountant it would be easy to do some freelance/remote stuff on a laptop too, but tech guys can probably do great at that. You could just teach yourself to code and get in on that.

Expanding on that flea market idea... this would be the perfect set-up for an artist, a painter. You could drive wherever you want and paint whatever you want. Then you can drive to various markets and peddle your art. Sounds like such an incredible life.

>>12283483
living the dream

>>12283474
I'm living in my vehicle right now in Colorado.
My buddy that was living in his van left a few weeks ago.

>>12283996
>>12284027
I'm in Colorado ski bumming and I manage without insulation.
I just work up about 30 minutes ago and it's -2. Your body adjust.

>>12283483
>cat food

>>12284741
where at? ice coaster here.. its been raining

>>12283483

This is definitely feasible but I would not underestimate the cumulative psychological toll of living in a tiny space in such an inconvenient way. Consider the higher cost of an apartment as the cost of mental and social health. I have personally lived in spaces this big (NYC chinatown tenement) and not being able to cook and clean yourself in a comfortable or easy way adds a lot of stress to life. Stress is really the number 1 killer. Additionally your self esteem will suffer after several years of not being able to date and bring a girl home, entertain friends, or hang out with people at all in your own space--- though i dont know what your social life is like. Ultimately you pay for this cheaper lifestyle in other ways, namely in your mental health, social health, self-esteem, and stress. Considering even just the cost of stress here, you may as well live comfortably in a flat and just double your workload.

>>12284996
Anon will have lower stress because of better financial situation and newfound confidence because he realizes he doesn't need as much as he needed before. Can survive anything.

Good friends would understand and support anons decision. Or at least laugh it off, even if they found it weird. If every friend turns out to be bad, and abandons anon, then make new friends.

>he hasnt taken the vanpill yet

>>12283597
>We could tripple that and save up even more by doing the motorhome/van idea.
You could, not "we".
She would not tolerate living in a van. Not even if you were giga Chad. In that case she would come for dick only, then return to beta cuck§s apartment.
That 7,2k is unironically a (part of) price for a gf.

>>12283624
still cheaper than rent / house costs probably. at a minimum renting is $1000 a month in the cheapest places in the US.

>>12285175
you can get studios for as low as 400 a month depending where in the US

>>12283474
This is legit the way of the future as populations increase and the jobs become harder to come by we'll see people living like this more and more. I really think it's a good thing and very smart.

>>12285082
I think youre missing my point. Its not the embarrassment of not having a nice space. Living like this means you dont have the actual room to do many of the things considered important for mental/social health, ie social things that involve more than just tending to your basic physiological needs at the barest level. Ive lived in a room like this for over 2 years now and i can personally attest that my social and romantic life has suffered for not being able to really have people over and spend time with people on my own terms (in my own space). The burden is always placed on others to have their own space which in a city like nyc or london is not always common. Then again, if OP is a 4chan incel it may not matter.

Beyond that and in a very basic way, small spaces become extremely oppressive in unexpected ways. Room to move and do things in your own private space is really important for your mental health.

>>12283634
This. Make a vlog about your van adventures. People would love that shit because you're a couple. You easily pull in over $10k/month as long as you know how to market and you and your girlfriend can look half decent in videos.

>>12285119
What vehicle model is that?
Is it yours?
Very nice set up!

>live in van
>Travel wherever I want
>Always exploring new cities and national parks
>Only stay inside to sleep or drive and chill before bed

Living in a van is good if you are two kinds of people
A person who loves being outdoors
Or a neet who sits on their computer all day and doesnt bother leaving their room

>>12285186
fucking where

>>12285119
this set up will run someone around 20k even if they diy.

>>12283659
this would be pretty awesome and viable if you were just traveling the world with it, working online

some countries are crazy cheap, eating out for 1$ every day

>>12285319
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgPdQEWak0M

10k DIY including cost of the vehicle

>>12283474

That looks more comfy than my apartment that I pay $1200/mo for

>>12283535
This will get old extremely fucking quickly and as a consequence you will lose productivity. Seriously all the shit that goes into organising this so you can save a few hundred dollars a month.

Unless you actually like living in a shithole on wheels it seems your effort is better spent figuring out how to make more money.

My rent is £650 per month + Council Tax of around £110

So total a year is £9,120 split between me and my gf - so £4,560 each.

You're saying the initial outlay for the van is the same as 1 to 2 years of renting an apartment which has a full kitchen and bathroom, rubbish collection, heating, water, shower, wired fast internet, storage, parking space for car.

Yeah fuck that m8. Opportunity cost is not worth it.

P.S. Don't live in London.

>>12283474
>>12283483
> ... 100 to 200 a month. The cost of buying a converted van already is 5000-10000. You can leave on weekends from the job to the countryside and camp, do BBQs, etc. Showers and toilets at a 24/7 gym that costs 130 ...
first result from vivastreet.co.uk:
£190 - Studio Flat - Hammersmith Road, W14 0QH
http://www.vivastreet.co.uk/rent/hammersmith-w14/-190---studio-flat---hammersmith-road--w14-0qh-/194195746
are you really this cheap or poor? is this too far from your work place? why wouldn't you want to live in a decent place (even if it's small and far from your job)?

>>12283553
>It's only for a year or two to save up cash.
>The van can have a TV and XBOX installed.
you have to be kidding me...

>>12285119
looks like you cant lie straight in that bed and it looks like it will add a lot of weight to the van (might require special driver's license and more expensive van)

>>12285399
meant to quote >>12283567

>>12283474
>rent a garage
Management will boot you once they see you occupying the van.

>>12284065

based

>>12285382
>£190 - Studio Flat - Hammersmith Road, W14 0QH

Not a chance that that's the right price.

>>12284182
>>12283685

Dear God, the absolute state of biz.
Frugality only gets you so far.
Frugality is like the fuel efficiency of your vehicle.
Your most important asset is time though.
Sure driving across town for that 10¢ discount on a gallon of gas is nice, but it took you 15 minutes.
Living out of your van requires a lot of time and effort. If spending an extra 4 hours a day just to take care of your body in can life saves you 500 bucks a month, is it worth it?

It's way smarter to just keep asking the boss for a raise every month while also looking for other higher paying job opportunities, while flipping bikes on Craigslist, or day trading shitcoins, or making online tutorial videos.

>>12285368
If you have a partner its all good.
If you are alone this option is better.
Couples can also do the van thing because you make back the money in nearly 3 months between both salaries and its saving up instantly thereafter.

ALSO, where the fuck do you rent?
Any liveable shit hole studio here is already 900 plus without council.

>>12285382
That's 12m squared you literal faggot. The van gives you mobility and freedom on the weekends to catch some air in the countryside. You cant do that in that shit hole box. Psychological torture to be in there.

>>12285399
What?

Former boondocker here

Boondocking with a 9-5 is incredibly stressful. You get woken up by crackheads, police, passersby, etc. Then you have to worry about getting ready every morning, changing in limited space, not smelling like sweaty balls when you go into the gym. It's like an extra hour of work because you have to be very incognito when getting ready.

Boondocking is great if you have cash reserves and want to travel the country, then you can sleep in a park somewhere and not worry about others.

You can get a van and fix it with a sink, toilet, etc - but then you are just spending thousands of dollars to live in a van. Pretty fucking dumb IMO.

Weather is another thing to consider, if you have to boondock during the summer or even winter, you need to worry about sweating your ass off, or your water freezing. So you need either cooling, or heating. And holy fuck is it miserable trying to sleep in the heat without AC. But then this goes back to my previous point, you're going to spend thousands of dollars on battery/AC setup, and run your van all night/day. How much money are you really saving?

tl;dr wouldn't recommend van life as a wagecuck, only as an entreprenuer or trust fund kid who is exploring the country

>>12283474

Currently working as a front-end dev in Chicago, making $90k. I also know back-end (python, django, sql). Planning on applying for some big FAANG companies in San Francisco this coming spring and living in a small RV for a few years while I work them. If the plan goes well, I'll be pulling in $250k salary after a couple years and retire when I'm 30 with over a million saved.

Any tips, OP?

>live in any expensive city
>1k+ rent a month
>Buy used van for anywhere from 800-3k
>Don't even bother with fancy stuff
>You're now profiting every month
>Can take multiple vacations a year with your savings
>On top of seeing the rest of your country


Don't mind me and my savings, enjoy living month to month to pay for your rent and having no savings to your name wagies

>>12285382
i imagine half the point of doing it is to have a mobile place to sleep, to travel around. i always thought i would travel a lot when i got my driver's license but turns out figuring out random destinations are harder than you'd think, especially if you have nobody to share the experience with. i think there's a reason people settle down and only travel for vacations, you'd have to be a special type of man to just drift in the world. to overcome the emptiness and get something out of it. having a mobile home while being tied down to a job at a specific location probably gives a bad feeling.

that part about only doing it for a year and save money sounds decent though. i would need a computer desk and comfortable chair to pull it off myself. and much, much, much warmer weather than where i'm currently at.

>>12285452
500GBP save up in normal apartment.
1000GBP save up in van.
2x reward = 2x less the time and you keep time for yourself not for the jews

>>12283474
The absolute state of eurofags.

Muslim shitstains have ruined your home so thoroughly that you have to live in a van or a garage to get by

>>12285437
see the pics. it's a shitty 4.3m x 3m room. still good enough.

>>12285464
>That's 12m squared you literal faggot. The van gives you mobility and freedom on the weekends to catch some air in the countryside. You cant do that in that shit hole box.
yeah, and you can do that too by using public transport.

>Psychological torture to be in there.
unlike a shitty van... I bet you have never been poor in your life. you clearly don't know shit about having to suffer because you don't have money. I bet you also are terrible at math, because you clearly aren't considering all the costs or cheaper alternatives that look more expensive at first.

>What?
you want to save money, yet you are already thinking about buying useless shit. well done, retard

>>12283474
Yes old bean, live the dream.

>>12285483
You're going to have a hell of a time boondocking in SF area. Police and crackheads are going to be up your ass every night.

Best you can hope for is maybe rent a spot in a parking garage, $250-$500 a month and get a pick up with a camper shell.

If you use a van it will be obvious as fuck

Also keep in mind every single square inch of SF area is monetized. EVERY. SINGLE. INCH

Property to rent in London
http://search.vivastreet.co.uk/rent/gb?lb=new&search=1&start_field=1&select-this=37&searchGeoId=7&offer_type=offer&end_field=

>what do you do all day anon?
>Work overtime every day and no time for yourself?
>That sounds awful, I just came back from skiing in Colorado
>Should come with me when I go again next week
>Oh you have work? That sucks

>>12285464

Newcastle city centre.

I used to live down south and paid £875 a month for rent then council would knock it over a tonne. Fuck that shit, frozen northern shitholes are more comfy.

>>12285497
Or just get another job offer and pit your boss against the other one for a better contract.
Out Jew the Jews by making them fight over you.

>>12285557
Bet you're surrounded by orange slappers mate.

>>12285557
Yeah... I thought about Manchester to live at.
Up to 50% cheaper rent and just about 2k less a year on wages. Works out much better than London.

>>12285520
>see the pics. it's a shitty 4.3m x 3m room. still good enough.

I had a studio flat in fucking Harrow 10 years ago that was just as shitty and I paid 650 a month. Pretty sure that price isn't right, unless it's radioactive or something.

>>12285554
C O P E

>>12285554
these van work benches looks like they are so low, i'd get back pains after 5 minutes

>>12285541

LMAO

>>12285520
Public transport = KILL. And you do not have the mobility that the van can give you; sure you can go to some shit hole park but you have to come back. And you can't leave city limits. With the van there is no obstacles.

What I want to buy is remade in 6 months of work. VS 1 year of work save up. Literally 2x speed, you faggot brainlet.

>>12285570

Its not too bad mate.

Not many shitskins, train station is a 10 minute walk from my place which gets you into Edinburgh in 1 hour and London in 3. Airport is a nice comfy size with links to London, Dublin and Amsterdam for longer distance shit and the Northumberland countryside is a 15 min drive out of the city with the Pennines / Lake District within an hour's drive.

Overall comfy place to live.

>>12285591
Fucking prison cell.
Seriously meant to kill yourself after a while in those conditions. Fucking hell.

>>12285591
Ill take a school bus over that.

>>12285591
might as well go to prison in norway

>tfw living RENT FREE in this

Keep giving your hard earned money away, goyim

>>12285636
Yeah but where do you work and what state city? Where do you park?

>>12285636
That's a fucking school bus man. London don't have that unfortunately.

>>12285604
Nice, only been to Edinburgh once, cool city. Been to the lakes a few times with the missus, great for a little getaway.

>>12285660
>Where do you park?

This. I don't see how you can pull this off in burgerland without get heckled by the cops

>>12285636
what type of van is that, where can i buy one?

whatever m8, enjoy your terrible living conditions and psychological issues that come with living your "nice" van...

>>12285591
and you missed the other ads
also, ironic how people laugh at this, but I guess this is even better than living in shitty japanese/HK shoeboxes. and probably as bas as living in a fucking van.
>hurr durr muh mobility
I bet you'll get tired of it.

>>12285382
>>12285520
>£190 - Studio Flat - Hammersmith Road

That's per week ya dingus. Cheap-ish for a "studio flat" though you'll end up paying bills and council tax on top of that and the price is low because you'll have to deal with random acts of vibrant diversity right outside your doorstep. For 800-900 per month you can get a bigger double room in a better area with all bills included, shared kitchen/toilets and flatmates you'll almost never going to see anyway.

>>12285707
Its a school bus, pic related is also shortbus

>>12285741
Needs more insulation.
I bet with all those windows that sucker gets cold in the winter, or eats up a bunch of fuel to keep it warm.

>>12285748
>he doesnt see the wood fireplace right near the bed

>>12285688
gotta have some hustle dude. you can camp for free on blm land. also it's pretty easy to post on social media or a regional sales forum to find cheap land to rent from someone with acreage.

>>12283474
Why not just buy a cheap cabin in the woods? That way you can have a little bit more perminance and can even grow your own food.

>>12285756
Wood is fuel.
Are you wanting to carry an extra 100 lbs of firewood because you don't insulate it enough?
How about the summer when it's sweaty-ass-balls outside?
That's not going to feel so comfortable, and a wood burning fireplace won't help for shit with that.
You are going to use up a bunch of fuel to run that AC.
Come at me again, bro, and see what happens.

>>12283474
Congrats, you are now a pikey

At least get the proper gear to steal copper wiring

>>12285791
What are solar panels

>>12285813
Good luck carrying the batteries needed to save the energy, unless you want to constantly waste it when you aren't using it.

>>12285813
>solar panels
The van will be parked in a garage retard.

>>12285726
>That's per week ya dingus
makes sense...
jfc, you english fags are really cucked by capitalism.

>>12285849
In the case of pic related of the other guys response. Not me.
It's fucking cold in summer in the UK anyways.

You'll get eaten alive by your council, your landlord will get a massive fine and the police will haul away and crush your "home" the second they'll learn about some nigger sleeping in a garage.

There's legal reasons why no-one sleeps in those (or in parked vehicles or in garden sheds or in anything that's not considered living space).

>>12285719

>thinks spending $200 USD/week to live in a closet is acceptable

Any sane society would be rioting over this.

>>12285878
It is legal to sleep in your van.
t plus my private rented garage.faggot

>>12285741
>that dreamcatcher
what's a hippie doing on /biz/ anyway?

So these are the people complaining about boomer McMansions, top kek enjoy the hobo life

>>12286117
I've noticed a lot of leftists, communists, liberals have been posting on /biz/ the past few weeks.
I think they are trying to infiltrate and ruin the community, like they always do, but aren't good at it, which has always described them.
It's pretty funny watching /biz/antines call them out, make fun of them, and laugh at them.

>>12283474
>>12283483
I've wanted to do this but I have a 120lb doggo. I also thought about buying a cheap piece of land for ~$1000, putting a privacy fence up and just leaving the dog there while I work and maybe set up a tent and fuck the van idea.

>>12286176
And that's a good thing.
You are here forever.
They will get blackpilled, jewpilled and immersed by this cancer to soon join the ranks.

>>12286273
>>12286176
They didn't take the conservative marxism pill

>>12286273
Genuinely made me lol.

How fucked are we as a society. In order to save money you have to consider living in your vehicle.

>>12286666
Nice quads, but think about it. A lot of people have lived in their conveyance throughout history. Covered wagons have been around for millennia.

>>12285452

>ask boss for a raise every month
>get fired after the first three months because boss is tired of dealing with your whiny, spoiled ass
>also because your IT department logged all your visits to non-work related sites during working hours
>and now you have a permanent blacklist on your employment record because any job you apply for in the future will now call your previous workplace where your ex-boss will tell them about how you will harass them every month right on the dot about getting more money and how you can't be relied on to focus on your work and not exploit their network for your personal use
>but at least you don't own a van hurrdurr

>>12285311
Midwest. I could get at $400 studio here in Cleveland easy. I pay $600 to live in a "trendy" area. Thank God NPC's are scared to live in the spooky rustbelt

I think you should get a real job and borrow money from someone rather than live worse than a gypsy.

>>12287172
>Midwest

Need to be more specific.

You aren't going to find that in Minnesota or Illinois

>>12286766

Yes, ever since humanity invented caves, we've called the people who aren't in a position to have a cave fucking losers. They are outcast from society.

People who lack roots, so to speak, are also incredibly untrustworthy. Gypsies are shunned on an instinctive level by everybody, even other gypsies.

Anons who want to live in their vans are little more than low-IQ gypsies. They'll get all the same treatment as gypsies, but they don't have the gypsy pros to balance the cons. For instance, it's very difficult, if not impossible, to identify a gypsy. They have no ID, they don't submit to census, they don't go to school, they don't pay taxes, speak a strange language that outsiders will never fucking figure out, and are well informed of society, so as to better avoid the long arm of the law.

When a gypsy steals from you, you don't know which one of them it was, and once you realize you've been had, they'll have moved on, and you're fuck out of luck. When anon sets up his shitty camper van and tries to leech electricity, you know that it was fucking anon, where he is, what he looks like, who he actually is, where he came from, and where he's going.

>>12287351
How jealous are you?

>>12287322
I specified Cleveland in the second sentence...

2 major problems
1. no heat and no AC. how the fuck can you focus on building a business of some sort while freezing in the winter and boiling in the summer?
2. the cost of the van with insurance and upkeep will certainly cost more than a cheap small room in a decent city.

the only reason living in a van would make sense is if you had to travel around to promote a business of some sort while bootstrapping it. Thats the only reason the inconveniences could be rationalized.

>>12287585
open the door in the summer time while your stationary also roof fan, also people get heaters or fireplaces for winter

the cost of upkeep isnt comparable to rent, and if you rent youll probably be driving a car and paying insurance on another vehicle anyway

>>12286176
>mocks communists
>thinks biz is only for capitalists
>doesn't understand that capitalism is just a intermediary phase of communism

not going to make it.
but at least you might be able to go to first class gulag.

I lived in a van for a year (it was ok) but I don't feel like reading this thread. It's not that hard to figure out.

>>12288558
Fuck off.

>>12283474
Most people live out of their cars due to desperation... Desu 15k is not much in the sense of living in third world conditions for two years

>>12288611
How was your psychological state after that year?
Was the savings and financial freedom enough to cancel the sature a bit off?

>>12289375
Bruh. This is NOT third world conditions.
You privileged fuck. Check the images.

>>12285536
F

Also, billboard hack posted on /g/ yesterday, in case you missed it there.

>>12289568
You are living in a 10 sq ft van and showering in gyms to save fucking 15k... I really don't see the difference from a hovel

>>12283474
lol I live up North and you would die in a van, on Tuesday it's supposed to hit -14F(-25C) and that's normal for a January, I have seen it hit -34 (-36C) in february.

>>12285591
185? Would rent 10/10 if lived in the area. Why cant I have this cheap living space?

>>12285607
The point is to get economically ahead while young. You don't have to spend the rest of your life there...
Most 4channers spend most of their time on their computer anyway. That is literally 1 square meter.

>>12285613
Nice.

>>12285726
I was fooled. Why the fuck is the rent "per week" and not "per month".
Pretty efficient marketing I suppose.

>>12283553

Dude I’m pretty sure people in the military have similar lifestyles and they’re fine. College kids too. Sharing a bathroom and eating cold meals isn’t gonna end you lmao. Harden up a bit

>>12286666
Space is expensive in cities. This is what happens when a lot of people try to get into a small space.
Also, the more you sacrifice the more you get. Money can be saved when living in a normal way, but the results will be average. Not everyone wants to be average.

>>12287281
>borrowing money to pay for normal living expenses
Stay poor

>>12284182

There’s a limit to how useful it is to be frugal. Diminishing returns and all that.

>get in accident
>not only lose vehicle but also home
drive safe anons

>>12287351
Most people are born poor losers and have to make sacrifices and work hard to not be poor losers. OPs way to save more money is a great way to escape the low-wealth trap.

>>12290051
There are easier and more efficient ways to escape poverty

>>12283474
Hahaha, what's the matter OP. The cuckshed's too big for you?

>>12290024
>>12290085
There are diminishing returns on getting a higher income because of progressive taxation. I fucking hate this tax system we live in. A flat tax would be so much better.

But we live in the system we live in and by being frugal you don't get taxed more. A penny saved is a penny earned 100%.

>>12284065
based

>>12283553
ignore this troll faggot, op

live your life and pursue your dreams

Why is London such a fucking shithole?