/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>12069052
>People refuse to work for the wages we want to pay them
>We need more immigrants to work for fucking nothing
Saved everyone the time. Remember that immigrants are just a way to keep the ponzi going.

>>12069052
>wagie lashes out on neets for not working for rationed shekels
>doesn’t realize work is a rat race to pay bills and keep you distracted

>>12069052
time for corporate bastards to raise wages. it's disgusting that their suggested solution is more immigrants. they truly hate the US working class.

>>12069052
Utter bullshit. I had 0.5% raises for the past few years as a software developer. But but "muh stem", "muh lack of software engineers" - all bullshit

>>12069052
Wages need to rise and employers need to start testing for THC instead of THC metabolites. I know so many people that smoke weed and don't move up because of drug testing it is retarded. Granted some of the employers can't change if they wanted to due to federal law like truck drivers.

>>12069073
> jose guerrero and DeJoseph dindu build your roof
JUST

>>12069052
There's literally no such thing as "lack of workers." Offer higher salaries or get fucked.

>>12069119
>raise wages
fuck off commie

Ever since Ronnie Raygun shipped all the good paying unskilled and skilled/no college jobs overseas... there's just been this mentality that businesses will improve almost every year indefinitely, despite wages being stagnant since the 70s, that's why they're so desperate about bringing in foreign workers to suppress wages. In fact that whole DREAMer bullshit was propaganda to to stagnate even highly educated workers. Sure, some may be legit kikes, others are just greedy and go along with it because it fits their bottomline.

If all the illegals were actually deported and the wall was built tomorrow, there would actually be a "great depression" as many industries would go out of business because their business model requires cheap labor (Walmart and many unprofitable crops like tomatoes and iceberg lettuce) but the market would correct itself and wages, but native employment (especially for non college graduates) and benefits would skyrocket since finally since the early 70s would supply and demand would finally be on the worker's side. It would go back into getting hired practically on the spot by just asking a manager and you could threaten to quit job and your employer would have to scramble to keep you.

Although the quality in tacos would lower.

>>12069107
>I'm sorry it was all my fault
>You were right, I was wrong

Are actually great phrases, because when you go overboard on taking ownership for things ("extreme ownership"), your superiors actually tend to start complimenting good things instead of poking holes in your story.

t. a Manager

>>12069240
Wages have not kept up with inflation in the United States and they need to be raised, if you don't acknowledge this you are uneducated on economics. Boomers could work retail or construction and buy a small home and start a family, now those industries will have you living in a hotel or your car while you collect welfare and food stamps, do you really think that is a good situation for the US economy?

>>12069308
I'm sorry the grammar and syntax is a mess. I'm working at the same time and wrote the post in little chunks, but I think it's still understandable.

>>12069240
corporations raising wages to deal with a labor shortage is market driven. that's pure capitalism you moron. the point is corporations should not have the opportunity to avoid this outcome by importing cheap immigrants as they have done in the past.

i said nothing about government mandates.

>>12069331
>>12069308
Farmers should be hit with RICO the way they hire illegals, Americans would pick fruit just not for 7.25

>>12069240
Are you baiting? He doesn't mean the minimum raise needs to rise. Jobs need to raise their own wages to meet supply and demand; Joe Blow isn't going to work for a job paying $12/hr when a similar job will pay him $16/hr.

>>12069052
>>12069229
This, pay enough to make me get off my ass, or fuck off.

>>12069164
Or just stop smoking the pajeet herb. :)

>>12069364
>>12069355
>>12069346
Can we do thotaudit except we report the large scale use of illegals so I can work with my hands for a fair wage like honest men used to be able to do in the 50's/60's/70's?

>>12069350
It's not even that they pay minimum wage, they pay below minimum wage under the table because they know if they aren't legally getting paid, the illegal still qualifies for welfare and other social benefits. That's why despite having Silicon Valley and Hollywood which theoretically would make California the richest state in the US, and if it were its own country, maybe the richest country on earth... it's bogged down by spending tens of billions of dollars on illegals.

Kek I actually did that job and only lasted a week I should have known it was absolute shit when they didn't even flinch when I told them ill do it for $20/hr

>>12069073
fpbp
also /thread

>>12069407
that cheap cost of labor is savings passed on to the end customer. the amount of money taken out is less than the workers generate in keeping things cheap. illegals are cash flow positive pseudo indentured servants.

>>12069390
this anon is on to something

>>12069073
fpbp

>>12069435
it's the only way the usury system can work

>>12069073
You guys do realize that if wages rise the economy will collapse right?

I'd rather take a 98% drawdowm in crypto than work 40 hours a week, even once.

>>12069472
>the neoliberal nwo slave wage illegal immigrant economy will collapse
I pray it does.

>>12069472
no shit, why do you think he called it a ponzi

>>12069472
Then the economy sucks if that's the case

>>12069364
How do you afford to live?

>>12069557
Its the best we can do senpai

>>12069390
neets are worse than illegals. at least illegals work, neets are just parasites.

>>12069435
wrong. ceo's corporate officers and bankers are buying private jets and gold plated toilet seats instead of passing on saving to the customer. It has absolutely nothing to do with raising wages.

>Hiring construction workers $7.25/hr no benefits
Why does nobody want to join my company? Seems like a lack of workers. Lets import some more Mexicans.

>>12069472

>you better work for $3 an hour, or some billionaires will get just'd by their Stocks

Wew

>>12069561
into the oven shylock

>>12069052
Not enough Texas Roadhouse slaves to dance for 8 dollars an hour so they need immigrants so they can continue to abuse employees

>>12069472
It needs to collapse. We are just making the inevitable collapse worse the longer we prop up this bullshit economy

>>12069629
Also needs to collapse before unemployment causes real wages to start to rise like it always has since the 70s.

>>12069472
That’s retarded, otherwise real wages would never have increased so much over the past two centuries

>>12069052
>nytimes
It's 2018, and people are still believing the MSM. You are sheep. It doesn't matter what happens, a few years later and you forget about anything bad that happened.

>>12069472
>>12069073
>You guys do realize that if wages rise the economy will collapse right?

See, evidence that neoliberals only care about the "invisible hand of the market" when it suits them. The "economy" crashing only would hurt the jews and their shabbos goyim. But it would increase substantially the quality of life for the people.

Did Detroit improve when the car industry left, improving "the economy" in the 80s?

Did Ohio and Pittsburgh improve when the steel industry left, improving "the economy" in the 80s?

Did SoCal improve since the illegal invasion began in earnest?

Everything needs to crash and return to how we were doing it before the false prosperity.

>>12069629
But just think about how huge the economic boom will be after millions of people die in WW3

>>12069052
that's total bullshit

you mean shortage of workers with a Master's degree willing to work for $12/hr?

>>12069052
USA is fucked

open borders mean all work is meaningless

in 20 years it will be automated with open borders.. who gives a fuck about USA?

Why would you work for a country that lets in millions of criminals and welfare leaches?

>>12069472
>if people have more money to spend the economy will collapse

what happened to your "muh exchange of goods and services"?

>>12069774
it IS meaningless, but you still need it because unless you want to devote your life to making dog toys, or the latest toaster variant, you're going to starve. it's literally extortion and enslavement, simply for the sake of it and the sake of control.

1. Look at the social pact between country and citizen. This is that you as a citizen matter.

2. Now understand the government hates your rights as a citizen and will let in anyway who sneaks in.

3. These non-citizens will get full rights and their children will become citizens just because they birthed them out. Making them equal to your children.

4.within decades human labor will be worthless. Your kids/self/genetics will have no value compared to the illegals who leach or niggers who did nothing.

Working for such a system is pointless. There is no pact between country / government and it's civilians. You get nothing in the end. You either have to become super rich or there is no point. Middle class, even millionaire will be a meaningless distinction.

You are working for nothing. Your kids will have the same resources as the 10 kid mexican family in 20 years.

>>12069789
The rat race is pointless. Waging for a new TV or social accolades is for retards.The only outlet you have to the system is to become a billionaire / worth over 20 million. Even that is likely to be taxed away and dissipate over a few generations.

Again, with a government that hates it's citizens and forces extra welfare/taxes to support a worthless underclass it's pointless to work.

Literally slaving for nothing in the long run. The people who are working today 50 hours a week will get nothing for it in 20 years.

>>12069813
correct. not even most /pol/tards seem capable of grasping this simple concept.

I remember in the 90s when 1 million dollars was a lot of money. now it's nothing. even with a million dollars cash you will still run out of money, especially if you have kids.

>>12069841
yes, and most Americans don't even make that much. barely enough to pay for their monthly bills, let alone emergency funds, medical expenses, a house, children, or retirement (more medical expenses)

the US is already dead, it will just take 20 years or so for it to come to full realization for most people

>>12069841
Again though

1. Gov pays more the less you work / produce
2. Future of work is full automation / worthless humans most likely or some exponential thing that makes earlier work fruitless

If you think through most likely scenarios, the odds are that middle class to lower upper class get absolutely fucked when automation takes over.

The only ways out are to invest heavily in such companies and be rich. Actual wage slaves are doomed and will be absolutely fucked, especially since most are high debt.

>>12069866
Pretty much. I could explain this all but who cares. People are low IQ and won't really understand the future all that well. Plus the social systems are designed to make them think they are doing everything right.

They will get basically no ROI for their work except the little social stimulus in their brains from being a wagie.

>>12069880
I don't really know if people are low IQ so much as just followers, very few people are interested in figuring things out for them selves. Historically people just agree with whatever they read on the paper or see on TV...

>>12069868
they're already working on their robot army to police the future disgruntled wagies. this is all happening before our eyes but people are too drunk, high, and busy watching the latest GoT to stop it.

>>12069907
It's not necessarily bad. I mean it's good for humanity that people havent' realized how fucked they are by government and that illegals take a fuck ton more from the system than they give.

Boomers really deserve it. I don't mind if USA loses completely and the exploiters all end up taken apart for atoms by some chinese super intelligent AI weapon. (this is a really probable scenario)

When you disenfranchise young men, this is what you get. Men worked for incentive, to be able to get a wife, start a family, buy a home and live a decent life. Now we can't have any of those things with a basic job because of the social engineering that has gone on.

Fuck this capitalist shithole world, let it burn to the ground. All working class young men unite in the west and stop working. That'll show these greedy motherfucker elites who's in charge.

Vote with your labor.

>>12069923

the robot meme is the the modern day version of the flying car meme

>>12069931
This. Why would you contribute to a country like USA or Europe when the goal is to destroy you?

>work hard
>open borders
>country is increasing % of non-workers and economic net negatives

You are the slaves of the current age while blacks cry that they have to suffer in a first world country 10x better than anything in africa of which they contribute negative economy.

The entire western world is a death trap for workers.

>>12069052
>https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/21/us/politics/utah-economy-jobs.html
>Living wage in Utah is $10
>Employers offer $17.50/hr but still couldn't attract workers

No one wants to move to a flyover state.

>>12069956
it's insane to me that a race which as contributed LITERALLY NOTHING is elevated to such a status in our society, it's so maddening I can't even put it into words.

>>12069937

That vid is old

That same robot is doing backflips and fucking your wife now

>>12069967
With anything, I'm sure loads of people applied but they weren't "up to standard"

>>12069435
that's why corporate earnings are at record highs, because they are passing it on to their customers, you fucking retard?

Real prices for staples haven't dropped, all the profit from cheap labor is being handed to owners and shareholders

>>12069073
This

Singapore does that too

>>12069974
>>12069956
Anglos built America and most (if not all) of what we consider "white" civilization. If you aren't anglo you really can't claim ownership in the success of America.

>>12069130
annual inflation is roughly 3% per year

Hope your resume looks good anon, gtfo that company

>>12069984
This

The smart ways out of the system:
Become a software dev / high paying job and save as much as possible for a fast retirement
Some other high risk - high reward attempt
Get a position in the system, aka police officer, etc and just milk as much possible.

Actual "work" is for retards. Especially taking on any type of debt or buying things like a nice car. You should either aim to become filthy rich or just enough to retire as early as possible with investments/savings.

Everything else is slave tier.

>>12069982

They still can't replicate a primate. They've been automating the shit out of everything for years, and yet here we are.

>>12070017
It's about to go exponential with ML.

Think about the job market post autonomous commercial trucking.

>>12069931
>>12069956
For everyone reading, this is called state sponsored propaganda. It's designed to cause people to second guess their country and countrymen, thus facilitating a ever increasing divide.

Don't let these "people" fuck with your head.

>>12070022
>It's about to go exponential with ML.

>>12069240
t. boomer

>>12070029
Explain this
1. Open Border
2. Future of Work is automation

Tell me how you can't process these two simple things to realize "working" is not going to be rewarded.

>>12069435
ceo wealth was 100x that of the average worker in 1990

ceo wealth is 300x that of the average worker today

but yeah it's the labor asking for raises that drives up prices

>>12069052
Point me to where the fucking jobs are because I'll apply for them along with the other hundred thousand fuckheads

>>12070035
Memes aside my boomer manager tried to chew me out over demanding a high wage (which I got.) It's slightly above the living wage for my shitty gentrified city and yet he acted like I was trying to fucking rob him. Never wanted to someone magically give someone a heart attack before that day.

So tell me geniuses

what happens

millions of commercial drivers
Automation replaces them

What do you think happens? If they are living paycheck to paycheck or even a few years saving?

LOL if you think the working class isn't going to be same income as literal 10 kid illegal families in 10 years.

I am 100% right on this. The gov doesn't give a fuck about citizens or working class. They will be first to be absolutely fucked in the coming decades. They are even developing social hatred of them so that the non-working mexicans and blacks can claim moral superiority despite doing jack shit.

>>12070069
so again

the family that has ww2 soldiers that died, iraq war vets, and working class history

vs

a mexican family that snuck in and had 10 anchor babies and then used welfare/benefits/subsidized housing

Who will have higher income in 20 years?

Surprise, both near the same.

Why is the white controlled government doing this to white workers?

>>12070029
is this propaganda? >>12069852

I have $24 in my bank account because I can't find a job and I am very well qualified and capable to do just about any job imaginable except for sales. Is that propaganda too? My mom has mounting medical expenses as she's getting older and she's probably going to lose her house. I also have a surgery I need to get my wisdom teeth removed and I can't afford it. Is that also propaganda? I go to job interviews at banks and it's all foreigners who refuse to hire me. Is that also propaganda? I can't get hired at Walmart while Jamarcus is sitting there playing on his phone instead of stacking shelves. Is that also propaganda?

kys

>>12070100
>white controlled
hahahaha

Also they do a lot of work to convince the non-them elite that immigration is beneficial

diversity is strength

they did a fuck ton of propaganda work to make this undermining possible. Also for the "intelligence" of the white elite, look at the bush and clinton families.

>>12070111
>Trump isn't the president

>>12070125
Trump is being undermined at every step and attempt. Hilarious if you think he isn't going to get Jimmy Carter'ed. They will force a huge recession in 2020 just to get rid of him if the mueller probe doesn't work.

It's hilarious if you think that Trump is in any indicative of actual views of the powerful or who run things.

>>12070125
(((Trump)))

>>12070069
>millions of commercial drivers
>Automation replaces them

Automating cars with AI is still ways off. Even the AI in aircraft is stupidly retarded. You might as well be talking about Skynet, same level of believability.

>The gov doesn't give a fuck about citizens or working class.

Well, your average neighbor doesn't give a fuck about you either and you don't give a fuck about the homeless guy on the street. What happens after your NEET communist revolution, Sherlock?

>>12070100
Jews and Protestants pursue profit through destroying culture, history, humanity.

I'm sure most other people would as well but 1%er jews and protestants will betray anyone in pursuit of wealth.

Confused how biz became an anticapitalist board tho

>>12070147
>still a ways off

does it matter between 5 years and 10 years?

Tell me did the person who died in vietnam or the draft dodger have a better life today?

The idea that work is good and society will reward you for it is hilarious. Workers are the naive cannon fodder of society.

>>12070147
Self-driving cars won't ever be a thing in America because our road system is too large and our government doesn't have enough money to ensure that ever road is well taken care of.

>>12070155
I'm not anti-investor. If you have money to invest you are playing the game correctly. Investment is how you join the exploitation.

Paycheck to paycheck is slow slavery and you wi

>>12070167
yeah dude, that's why there is so many billions of dollars per year spent on it. IF only you could advise them it's a bad idea because of some shit you have no clue about.

>>12070157
>The idea that work is good and society will reward you for it is hilarious. Workers are the naive cannon fodder of society.

You're comparing war with working? Come on, now.

If you don't want to work to begin with, you're not really arguing from a moral standpoint.

>>12070185
>yeah dude, that's why there is so many billions of dollars per year spent on it
>if companies have put a lot of money behind something then it is a good idea

>>12070200
The naive "worker" who thinks they matter is what I'm talking about. Considering how many are in debt or paycheck to paycheck thats a large % of america. Considering American and western country policy at the moment it's a pretty obvious thing going on.

If you don't realize you are a slave it's not my problem.

>>12070167
Well, that isn't helped by the fact that a lot of money is wasted on useless road work that doesn't even need to be done at highway robbery prices.

It blows my mind that news outlets will print articles like this as if any normal person gives a fuck about a """"labor shortage"""
>B-b-but if you don't agree to work for $6 an hour then I'll have to be a wagie just like you, instead of being a business owner and (minimum wage) "job creator"
>Yeah I got 1000 applicants, but I'm waiting for that special someone. I'm just not sure candidate #624 was the right "fit" for our "culture" here
>Train workers? NO FUCK THAT I only want to hire people who have 100% of the skills I want on day one.
>This business has been in my family for 100 years! My daddy gave it to me! This isn't fair I work hard too REEEEE!
>RAISE WAGES!?!? But what about my profits?!?
Cry me a fucking river

i aint workin for twelve bucks an hour fuck that shit. eighteen starting even if i in tenesee

>>12070213
Lmao, you're think you're one of the few people who had figured that out? You think most people enjoy working? You think most people give a fuck about how their work contributes to society instead of how much much they're making? If human societies could be utopias, they would've existed already.

>>12069967
>>12069052
protip: this is all lies

There are many people who would love to work such jobs. Companies lie, lie, lie and lie.

Same thing here in Germany. Shortage of everything, but hand picking nursing students out of 200 applicants. People without top gardes don't need to apply for such dishwasher-tier jobs.

Soon you'll need a PhD as cleaner.

>>12070258
>but how am I supposed to keep my business open? That's what I was paid back in 1974. It was my first job and it allowed me to afford a home and a really nice wedding. Anon I think you are just being selfish here.

>>12070264
>>12070264
ROFL

The most egregious violations have been going unopposed for forever. If people actually understood what was happening then it would have been stopped a long time ago.

the truth is the people are fucking stupid.

see: Immigration policies, welfare policies, etc.

People could vote and enact change if they really understood this shit. I don't buy your retarded argument.

Yes I am responsible for the hurt economy

I refuse to work because there are no jobs that I want.

suck it globalists

>>12070233
trains is hard job

>>12070100
Capitalists don't give a fuck about your skin color or who you are buddy, they will cut you open and sell your liver for a buck. They drum up BS ideologies like race difference to divert attention away from themselves, so as to make the masses think their enemies are everyone but the rich man. How much capitalist propaganda has been shoved down everyone's throat since the industrial revolution, only God knows

>>12070265
Many people today are "soft" and can't handle manual labor jobs. The high turnover rates from these people have given the perception to employers that certain groups of people are better for such jobs. That's why the majority of these jobs are taken up by minorities and immigrants with little or no education.

>>12070022

We'll see.

>>12070345
I love low IQ people. So fucking retarded

>>12070317
Where's the capitalist propaganda? Can you provide some examples?

Immigrants who escaped from communist hellholes know firsthand how people can turn on each other violently without regards to morality and wealth so they know full well that communist ideology is bullshit.

>>12070321
minorities are softer, though. 1st worlders have lower expectations and are willing to work harder.

But that's all theory. Fact is: there are enough people willing to work and companies complain because it's profitable to do so.

>>12070368
This. Never forget the 1 billion killed by communism.

>>12070368
This has nothing to do with capitalism

Capitlaism is a great system

It has to do with social pacts between workers and government when massive automation is about to hit society.

In this case the working class is going to end up on even footing with welfare/poverty class of gangster blacks and deadbeat illegals from central america. That's the crux of automation future.

It's more to do with current day wagies ending up with nothing to show for it.

>>12070368
This has nothing to do with capitalism

Capitlaism is a great system

It has to do with social pacts between workers and government when massive automation is about to hit society.

In this case the working class is going to end up on even footing with welfare/poverty class of gangster blacks and deadbeat illegals from central america. That's the crux of automation future.

It's more to do with current day wagies ending up with nothing to show for it. AKA why be a wagie when 11 kid tyrone is going to end up as wealthy as you post-automation

It has to do with rewards for working hard or being someone who contributed to a society vs not. In the near future those two classes of people will be equal under the government.

AKA the government is not holding a covenant of reward for work with it's citizens.

>>12070355

You must really love yourself then.

The American consumer demands cheaper products which causes the American manufacture to lower their internal costs one of which is pay.

Quit bitching when you retards are also causing this

>>12070421
>this growth and advancement in automation is impossible

>>12070211
Mostly unrelated but this is a great teardown of the Juicero. Apparently it had a fuckton of premium machine parts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cp-BGQfpHQ

>>12070294
>the truth is the people are fucking stupid.

The reason more because most people don't fucking care because they don't directly feel the impact of the policies. If they're directly impacted, they will react accordingly. This reason is why often bad policies get passed. The policies don't impact them directly, so people like wealthy Liberals can vote either way so they vote what "feels right" to them.

>>12070464
yes but the noose is on. By the time people care it's too late on this issue.

Again, it's a minor thing but wagies are going to be absolutely destroyed by automation in terms of relative position in society.

That is of course under most probabilistic models of what happens.

Worker shortage can easily be solved by increasing pay until enough workers are hired. If employers aren't willing to increase pay then there is no real worker shortage.

>>12069052

let me guess what the angle of the article is

>be NEET /w no bank account or ID
>mommy buys you bitcoin
>tfw gonna be rich doing nothing
>watch buttcorn plunge
>too cynical to care

>>12070029
we should second guess our country. now fuck off jew.

>>12070037
gotta source for this?

>>12069841
>>12069789
why don't you retards contribute to society by doing something meaningful then??

go work for a fucking utility or something you stupid niggers do you think you'd have all the modern amenities you have if you didn't have people working?

go work in medicine, go work in construction

maybe you wouldn't be so miserable about the subject if you did more than work as a fucking cashier at some minimum wage job

>>12070167
Google's Waymo literally launched a self-driving taxi service this week. That's for in city traffic which is an order of magnitude more difficult than highway. 99% of trucking miles will be automated in the next 5-10 years with human drivers waiting on the edges of cities to finish the rest

>>12069472

The Fed believes this.

>>12069052
i apply to everything but noone wants me. lack of workers my azz

>>12070720
>implying that inflation isn't real

>>12069052
this is why your country takes in immigrants

not because of "white genocide". because theres literally not enough people to replace all the boomers heading to retirement

>>12069472
>the plebs must suffer so the rich can live like kings

you think this is good?

>>12070881

Inflation occurs through the expansion of the money supply, this is done through the issuing of loans by private banks with the Reserve bank dictating the inter-bank interest rate (monetary policy).

Wages are LOWER today then they were through the 1970's in real terms. The cost of an average home pushing new heights or your wage going up, which inflation would you prefer?

Stop falling for the Jewish monetarism scam.

>>12069052
Trump is right. The press is the enemy of the people. Wages haven't risen in decades. They need to fucking stop with the immigration and outsourcing.

>>12070673
https://www.businessinsider.com/ceo-pay-2017-vs-average-us-worker-2018-8

like yes, CEO's should make lots of money. But when CEO's get bonuses, raises, etc while the company is declining, the system is broken. Sears executives gave one another bonuses as the company headed towards the drain.

>>12070951
>wages rise
>inflation increases
>fed raises rates to combat inflation
>suddenly all those shitty startups that zoomers love aren't getting free money, the FAANGs implode, and with them the rest of wall street
Do you see where this is going?

>>12069419
Explain the flinching part

>>12069052
>125m people employed
>people believe this horse shit

>>12070029
>country and countrymen
The patron is riding on your back telling you to mush. The government is setting the rules on how much bullying is too much. The hordes of corporate bootlickers are telling you it's your fault that your in this position and if you worked harder, then you might be the one riding someone someday.

>>12069472
Then let it! If we're gonna be treated as slaves it's collapse might fix the issues with it.

>>12071007
All of the tech companies that are actually worth a shit will be fine. Only garbage zoomer companies that bleed money like like Snap will collapse.

>>12070992
>The cost of an average home pushing new heights

This is a good thing. It's essentially a wage increase for home owners. Why wouldn't you want this?

>>12069472

>mfw I realized bait

>>12071062
(((home owners)))

>>12071062
Get fucked boomer

>>12069472
completely, yes, at least if they do so before the moneyed class front runs the entire housing stock. in a decade or two they can rise again so bags can be dumped

>>12069997
tfw on the subject of race Ben Franklin is basically to Nazis what Nazis are to average people.

>>12070673
It's all in the numbers..

Number 1: In 1945, corporations paid 50% of federal taxes. Now they pay about 5%.

Number 2: In 1900, 90% of Americans were self-employed. Now it's about 2%.

It's called consolidation; strengthen governments and corporations, weaken ndividuals. With taxes, this can be done imperceptibly over time.

THAT'S TERROR.

>>12071219
Also, not "le plebbit spacing"; those are intentionally 5 separate short paragraphs.

>>12070411
>>AKA the government is not holding a covenant of reward for work with it's citizens.
But don't the proponents of capitalism say that the market determines which work is valuable and hence, which work is rewarded? Neoliberal capitalists even go so far as to claim that markets are the most efficient and rational way to allocate resources and I would presume from this line of thinking that governments cannot replicate the markets in functionality and cannot be a substitute for markets, which would mean that implementing some sort of system, covenant, compromise, or whatever that determines what and which work should be rewarded runs into the calculation problem. Doesn't this also run against a related principle which other capitalist proponents claim, that the government should not distort incentives and pick and choose winners in a true capitalist society where markets and competitions are free from political interference?

>>12071219
Deus ex fan?

At least use quotes , fren.

>>12069052
>You owe it your country.

Any country thats too dumb to give me free healthcare for the taxes I pay does not give a fuck about my well being.

>>12069052
>https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/21/us/politics/utah-economy-jobs.html
>NEETs are directly responsible for hurting the US economy.
>Get a fucking job, you lazy sacks of shit. You owe it your country.

The Jew cries in pain as he attacks you.

>>12071287
There is no free market capitalism in the world though.

>>12071303
>At least use quotes , fren.
But then it would be too obvious, and less of an inside joke that only Deus Ex fans would get :(((

>>12071071
>>12071092
t. poorfags
You really shouldn't be allowed to vote if you don't own a home.

>>12070007
What are some high paying jobs one can get without a college degree? I was thinking of breaking into the IT field, perhaps getting all 3 associate level AWS certs and getting a position in cloud computing.

>>12071516
Well... I certainly reckon at least some form of standards would be nice.

Problem is, that's exploitable but then so is universal suffrage.

>>12071287
Do you think in a truly free market system the government would control all money supply and set interest rates however it pleased?

>>12070022

Will Always need an operator... Poor Road conditions, agressiveness, accidents, and unloading shit will need to be human for the foreseeable future.

>>12070022
t. not associated to computer science in any way

>>12071530
police / gov work

>>12071604
Police and government positions are very hard to get without the proper connections, especially in my state. How does getting AWS certs sound?

>>12071559
the fed is a private entity

>>12071627
>How does getting AWS certs sound?
As good a route as any. Though >>12071604
is right that comfy government pensions are hard to beat.

>>12071496
>>There is no free market capitalism in the world though.
No there isn't, but politicians and the wealthy aren't deterred by this fact and will continue to loosen regulations, lower taxes on the wealthy, and erode the welfare state. This hypothetical situation is a driving argument.
>>12071559
>>Do you think in a truly free market system the government would control all money supply and set interest rates however it pleased?
I'm not sure what a truly free market would really look like, but I presume that the government would effectively have zero interaction with the workings of the markets which means no monetary policy or tools at all. The government is totally out of the picture, and to that other poster this means that you negotiate with only your employer on how much you are rewarded and this is the only real contract between social classes.

Look at this picture for a second before you read the rest of my post

This is a historic photograph. It was during the Great Depression, one of the "worst" periods. Now consider he has only been unemployed for 3 months. Then consider he is also a nigger looking for a job in 1930s America.

This should really put things into perspective for how bad things are

>decent job

entitled millennial wants a decent job amirite fellow boomers?

Can I move the fuck out of New York and go raze corn out in the Midwest? I've heard that's a viable option and they're looking for people, and the cost of living here is impossible to afford.

Where I am, a decent home for a family of 4 costs upwards of $500,000 and property taxes (aka feeding niggers in NYC) is about $10,000 a year. I'm in college (late in life) and terrified of trying to raise a family, and honestly don't think I'm cut out for office work.

>>12069052
the problem is mostly women for not having enough babies.

>>12071825
>go raze corn out in the Midwest?
Raise corn? Yes. Raze it? Not until civil war kicks off in 5-10 years.

>>12071825
If you're not pure European then fuck off

>>12071869
Fair enough, my bad. Answer plz? For the good of my children?

>>12071881
Pure dago phenotype.

>>12071908
Nice try mutt, what's your genotype

>>12071935
>not knowing what dago means

>>12071976
come home white man

Applied for over 100 jobs, stem meme grad, year of experience. 3 phone interviews, 1 in person. several applicants for each job. not hired.

"not enough workers" is a fucking joke.

>>12071996
this

I've also applied for dozens of jobs. Probably 200. I'm a programmer but applied at Walmart and Target even and still couldn't get a fucking job. I even called and asked to speak to the hiring manager, did that whole bit. Still no callback.

>>12069240
Hey look a faggot

>>12069107
I haven't seen anything this Boomer in decades.
The person who drew that is either dead or in a retirement home.

>>12069740
I'd get drafted and sniped on day 4

I'm jewish myself, but holy fuck this is getting old

>>12069472
you say that like a bad thing ... gov collapse

>>12069052
Does it mean neets are the new nobility and wagies the neoserfs?

>>12071988
Where is home and how can I make beaucoup bucks and attract a virgin qt gf?

>>12069931
It's not capitalism. In truth it's what capitalism unchecked created, and communism definitely is not the answer

>>12070992
why is this bad it means smarter people are allocating capital

>>12070029
So then why are they right?

>>12072134
Europe. America is lost.

>>12070167
Hahahahahaha I work on autonomous vehicles development this is hilarious. Yes there is major challenges no money to keep well updated maps of the road will not be one of them.

>>12072159
Uhh...I don't know if you've heard.

>>12072159
Uhh...I don't know if you've heard

>>12072204
Yeah let's see how well you do when all that cheap money dries up.

>>12072224
this has been happening to America for literally 70 years only with the Mexican border

>>12072265
>this has been happening to America for literally 70 years only with literally every border
FTFY

>>12069566
NEETs want to work but the opportunity isn't there for them due to many factors (immigration being one of them).

>>12070368
Just look at the 100s of pro immigration news pieces put out daily. We're being bombarded with pro capitalist propaganda. It's literally everywhere man

>>12070100
>(((White))) controlled
Jews unironically want to lord over a mullato slave class made productive through automation. The Talmud says that in the future Jewish-controlled world there will be 4,800 goyim slaves for every Jew.
Duet. 6:10-11
"...to give you a land with large, flourishing cities you did not build, houses filled with all kinds of good things you did not provide, wells you did not dig, and vineyards and olive groves you did not plant--then when you eat and are satisfied,"

>>12069997
Franklin was literally sucking french dicks fo dat sweet money.
Anglos are good at economy but they are the complete bottom of western culture, their art is a a dumbed down imitation of french, italians and greeks and their literature is completely shallow, I won't even talk about their music.
Even Russia which has been a fucking muddy backwater full of barbaric asians for most of its existence has a higher spirit than the materialist anglo countries.

>>12069052
I can't wait for Day of the Rope

>>12069130
You don't get raises in IT sector, anon, you hop jobs.
>work 1-3 years
>change your job for a 10-50% increase
That unless you hit a jackpot and end up in a company that actually values you.

>>12073037
Anglos express their culture in real, human-to-human interactions. Other countries pent-up their emotional states and express themselves in impersonal ways, like in art.

>>12069052
>Cool I want a job
>Search for job
>After looking at 400 things that require years of experience come to something that doesn't
>"I want you to be a salesman, no basic salary only commission on sales you make, almost no training"

Bullet to my brain seems more likely every single day.

>try to get job
>Sorry anon you need at least 3 years experience for this entire lvl position
>Sorry anon we are actually looking for ((new blood))
>Sorry anon we are actually looking for a Asian American (this really happen)

I looked for 6 months had everything in order didn't look like a creep so then just went to family doc and meme my way into neet bucks that was 2 years ago living off crypto forex and neet bucks while pulling a fast on on taxes kek I treid

>>12069578
whom do you think is building those private jets and gold plated toilet seats?

You burgers did this to yourselves by imposing minimum wage on the free market. You made it impossible for low cost businesses to exist. Now all you got left is these huge corporations for everything.

>>12070147
>your average neighbor doesn't give a fuck about you either and you don't give a fuck about the homeless guy on the street. What happens after your NEET communist revolution, Sherlock?

This is part of the issue with capitalist ideology. It's ingrained and here to stay.
We literally cannot conceive of a daily life in which neoliberal, capitalist ideology isn't the end all, be all.
This is why we have walls, ropes, and re-education.

Inflation only hurts people with paper assets
Fucking nuke the paper holders already

I got a milion jobs for you and one dollar for wages. come and get it losers.

>>12069052
Little known anecdote, a huge part of the lack of being able to get workers is HR as a culture goes out of their way to avoid hiring people. Just about any actual career you can only get in to via knowing someone who has the ability to tell HR “we’re hiring this person”. There’s also a huge issue with recruitment and approaching people. I’ve received a number of legit offers from pajeets with thick accents who I only knew to take the call because my contact who was actually making the hiring decision told me someone would be calling to deal with the hiring bullshit.

It’s a giant fucking problem and the reason companies are trying to remove the human element in so many of these processes.

Corporations: "waaaaah I don't want to pay people enough"

Also corporations: "waaaaaaah why isn't anyone working for me?"

>>12073191
Fuck, that’s the other problem with HR. They manage raises most of the time, the only time you can actually advance your wages is when you hop companies. They’re so fucking tight about what they are willing to pay that people set up their new jobs and only then find out what their company actually values them at after they’ve made the decision to move on.

>>12069052
OP If you read through he PMI reports the article is right...But it did not make clear that yes they are lots of jobs to fill...The issue is the jobs REQUIRE skill/experience. & no business don't want to train, they want someone ready to go NOW!

Everyone wants to hire someone to do valuable work for nothing.

If you can't hire workers, you're not paying enough.

It's not a "too few workers" problem, it's a "too little pay" problem.

I wonder if the availability of cheap immigrant labor is actually slowing down progress toward automation of shit jobs nobody wants or should have to do.

>>12069052
NEETs exist because working with the public (and dealing with fucks like yourself I imagine, ad homo-num etc) is not worth minimum wage or the mental fatigue it brings daily. They would rather live on rent-and-ramen doles than deal with that, and really I cannot blame them.

Americans taking the high road and not being fucks to one another would be an amazing benefit to the country.

>>12075042
It is. Look at Japan.

>>12069472
you are fucking retarded

Better let in all the h1b pajeets.

I'm pretty late to the party in this thread but I'll say this. The guys defending pure capitalism and pure communism are both wrong. The real issue is that the mega-corporations lobbied the government which buried all smaller businesses in regulatory red tape. People underestimate how many good jobs small businesses can create and their role in driving the economic growth of a nation. The mega-corporations hate this since it forces them to constantly innovate in a sink or swim environment so they turn to plutocrats that fuck up the entire system. There's a reason corporations play both democrats and republicans. If the republicans win, tax cut for the guys at the top which retards buy into because muh "trickle down economics hurr". If the democrats win new taxation generates even more loopholes to abuse that small businesses get fucked by but the average democrats a retard so "muh fuck the rich #feelthebern". The best thing the US government can do is create a standard flat tax on the top say 5% that DOESNT scale (that's how you get legal loopholes) and then pass massive regulation cuts and tax cuts for small businesses which does scale. Prove me wrong.

>>12074918
you forgot the part about being paid next to nothin with skills ready to go NOW.

>>12076011
Several monopolies also SUPPORT higher minimum wage as it destroys smaller competition that wouldnt be able to meet an increased industry award rate. While everyone knows the last thing any modern business (Especially publically listed companies) want to do is pay their staff a single dollar extra, if it wipes out the vast majority of their competitors in the industry it will certainly pay off very quickly.

>>12075088
You're just memeing what you heard. Japan has no bigger population problem than the rest of the west if you look at statistics.They have the same problem with treating workers shit - arguably even worse than here though.

>>12069052
please disable your adblocker this is 4channel. someone worked really hard to make the clickbait audio playing videogame streamer ad for fortnite that you are blocking, please /biz/ don't act like those 4chan.com degenerates.

>>12069472
>if wages increase the economy will collapse
[Ussr anthem plays]