/biz/ - Business & Finance

>commitment to your employer
>today
I know this is bait but come on now

>>12007315
Working outside of working hours should be ilegal.
Fuck all of this shit, I'll asking based Vlad to give me some land on far east.

Commitment is a two way street.

>https://www.quora.com/I-have-two-employees-that-usually-leave-work-at-6-pm-They-are-good-but-I-don-t-like-that-their-commitment-lasts-for-work-hours-only-What-should-I-do-as-a-CEO
>I read a lot of comments to this. I do not think that I saw even one comment that was realistic. I mean, come on, who wants a clock watcher for an employee! Next thing you know they start taking, mind you TAKING. more than one bathroom break per day! Where does it lead? Anarchy! Anarchy! Reds at our doorsteps! Next they want time OFF work to eat lunch! Or maybe time off with pay when they “get sick.” Oh, my gosh, then come requests for raises! RAISES! Like it was not enough that an employer gives them A JOB and 1/2 a Sunday off, ungrateful … wait, somebody just suggested that Saturday and whole Sunday should be off! What are we, the kind people letting the mostly worthless them have our favor to even have jobs! Slaves got paid NOTHING and were grateful for food and place to sleep after honest 14 hour (16 in summer, longer daylight, though I suggest 18 hours, dawn to dusk would be more fair) day workdays -- and now-a-days people actually expect money! It should be bullwhip on the backs of their children! I mean, where is it all going?! Just you wait till General Lee leads us to show those uppity Yankie agitators what real, kind but demanding, bosses really are like! Salaries, payments! They should be glad we LET them work! My Papa, Mr. Ol' Fashion', Sr., bless his soul, would turn in his grave if he heard such blasphemous words!

>>12007974
>Next thing you know they start taking, mind you TAKING. more than one bathroom break per day! Where does it lead? Anarchy! Anarchy! Reds at our doorsteps!
lmao this guy is good

>>12007974
Holy shit this has to be a troll.

no, set off late and leave early. fraud working hours and claim overtime. steal biscuits from all work kitchens

constantly finding and taking better paid jobs with even less responsibility. Give the minimum leave notice and take sick days during this period too. FUCK WAGEKEKERY. I will stamp on every single person i cross until i break free. At my current savings rate i still have 4 years left before im financially independent

In the U.K, unpaid overtime is legal as long as there's some mention somewhere in you contract.

So most companies just get away with it. Sell you the job & salary on specific hours, then have your working however many hours over that they wish, unpaid.

Absolute fucking bullshit.

I know the OP is a troll post but still, if these fucking employers want you to "commit" outside of your standard hours, they should either pay, or give you a share of the business. Otherwise just being a fucking slave.

>>12007315

This is basically the standard in IT and it disgusts me.

t. fell for the CS meme

In a capitalistic society it's the responsibility of all employers and employees to try to fuck and exploit each other as much as possible so the cream will rise to the top.

>>12007315
I do maybe 2.5h of work a day

>>12008184
Only if you enable it. Grow a pair

>>12008047
If you have to ask, you're definitely in the spectrum. Get checked, my negro.

>>12008110
As long as your average pay doesn't fall under minimum wage. That kind of entails which jobs do this.
Any hours overtime I work I can knock off from the next shift or build up an extra day off

>>12008213

I'm definitely not enabling it bro, that's why I'm unemployed atm lol.

>>12008052
based
>>12008239
same bro. fuck em. ive got like 2 months before i need to find another wagecuck IT job though

>>12008018

To be fair, I take like 2-3 extensive paid shits per day.

Smokers get to smoke on company time, so as a non-smoker I feel entitled to get paid to shit as compensation for my lack of smoking privileges.

>>12007315
I have in the past and it didn't kill me. It depends on the job and the company. If it's leading to something better, the work is actually fun sometimes, or the people are just super cool, I don't mind working an hour overtime here and there, but at my current job I don't do it at all because these people will take a mile if you give an inch.

>>12007315
You have to wonder though like wtf: do old people actually think this way? Expecting people to literally work without being paid. Or is this just some kind of multi-layered satire.

I guess they unironically lived in a time when relative income was so high that you could literally work for nothing half the day and still afford a house and several children on one income in your mid-20s.

>>12008188
just like in communism.

>>12007315
hell no.
i'm not even showing up if i don't feel like it.

>>12007315
I commit myself outside of mandatory hours and far beyond that. I have tripled my salary in the last few years. I've lost a lot of time I'll never get back. I can't really say if it's worth it or not.

>>12007315
only do this if its really necessary, liek if an important person comes the next day, you are janitor and the rooms arent clean. otherwise dont do it, its slavery.

>>12007315

Will the CEO also pay the employee, when the employee does not work there anymore? If not, why does the employee have to work for the CEO, without getting paid?

>>12008188
in a communist society it's the responsibility of the state employees and political classes to try to fuck and exploit each other and skim off the top as much as possible until civilization collapses under inefficient bureaucracy

>>12007315
are you just another entitled CEO that doesn't pay a livable wage?

>>12009131
Because they seem to think it's still the 60s or that any experience they have from previous decades is relevant today.

"Hey guys, you can totally make enough money to live like a human being by working 80 hours a week. It worked like that when I was 25 so it has to work that way now."

>>12008052
>steal biscuits from all work kitchens
based and redpilled

>>12009152
Livable wage? Why would you need a livable wage? You have the privilege of slowing dying in the West, that's better than life being livable, you entitled millennial.

Lmfao this is literally an npc diary

>>12009168
>slowing dying
SlowLY dying, ffs...

>>12009131
Because fuck you wagie. You should be grateful that you are allowed to work.

>>12009168
nigga fuck you, I'll just work for BTC instead.

>>12007315
Dearest CEO: I do about 20 minutes of work per week here because college degrees do not make one intelligent and you think you need a full time sysadmin to have something to brag about with your golf buddies.

t. sysadmin with HS diploma

>>12009224
tfw you will never be a wagie working in your own cagie.

Why even live?

>>12008184
ITSec flag here. Since when is it standard to work outside of business hours? I only had to do this once in my career and it was because I was working with customers overseas. And any time I spent working at home I deducted from time in the office. If I had to take a call and work from 8pm to midnight I didnt show up at the office until noon. This was when I worked for Symantec, on salary.

>>12009196
Not really though, he looks like a based guy.
He shows up for his job and tackles it with efficiency He's not "cheating" his boss out of paid work time, but he's not doing anything for free either, he leaves when he's done.
I envy these kind of guys for beign able to switch on and off work mode without any bullshit.
The NPCs are all the other late worker bastards running the PLEASE_SHEKELBERG script.

>>12007315
I have only ever stayed behind to finish up work because I fucked off during the day. Anyone that does otherwise is being assfucked by their company.

>>12009292
ITsec is different since they expect you to think and not kindly copy paste the needful

>>12009328
Exactly. He's doing what he's meant to to a T.

They should piss off if they're not willing to pay you to work, unless you're getting a % of the profits as a bonus or something.

>>12009404
I worked from the ground up. I did help desk work, moved into customer support for an AV company. Worked up to leading their tech team, moved to Symantec, and 2 other well known companies since. I've never seen or heard of this kind of expectation anywhere in IT, except for maybe project management and PR.

I am out at 5:30 on the dot.


>Falls for the uni meme
>goes to a good uni
>First in STEMS
>Spend a year applying for jobs and constantly rejected due to a "lack of exp" or "we're looking for people who are more grape/dragon fruit"
>Finally get an offer
>Turn up, 2 hours into my 1st work day realise that suicide is the only way out.
>Job is misadvertised, no training, sink or swim.
>1 week in and only do 10% of what was mentioned on the advert, 90% is data entry and helping dumb fuck managers query databases because none of them fucking know how.
>office has excel 2007 32bit on 64bit pcs, spend 50% of my time waiting for this shit to calculate
>write a simple python script that eliminates trims down my work day to about 1-1/2 hours doing the shit that i actually enjoy doing and initially applied to do
>tell my manager that i can increase office productivity and save the comp money
>"Oh nice, just email me about it and we can discuss it "offline"later
>Co-workers are Stacie's/john's who spend 95% of their day socialising and then spend 2/3 hours doing unpaid overtime
>My manager shows up each day at 7:30 (start at 9) and leaves at 7/7:30

>>12009555
>3 months pass, have my "probation period" hearing in the fucking kitchen because the office is an "Open space".
>"Well anon, we're gonna extend your probation by a month, you do your work but you dont go beyond whats asked of you, John and Stacie always stay behind and go beyond what is asked of them"
>Decide to "step up" and take some work off John and Stacie
>Dumb fuck John's and dumb fuck stacies are behind on their work and have a backlog of about 2wks, easily sorted in 2days with some automation.
>1 month pass, "Well anon, i am glad that we had that chat, we are pleased to offer you this postion but you seem to be finishing your work quite fast so we are gonna give you some more challenging tasks"
>Get extra work loads dumped that my script automates.....
>John and Stacie still stay behind ...
>7 months in now, i spend 2hours of my day doing the work i actually applied to do and the rest is handled by a fucking SCRIPT that anyone who has basic coding skills can made.


Why should i show commitment or "go the extra mile" if you never get shit in return. I live in the UK and the work culture here is awful.
People are expected to go above and beyond while everyone gets paid shit and the barriers to entry are so inflated. Work smart < Work hard.
I never understood that, i got shit to do at home,i got interests outside of work and at the end of the day its not even about the money.
I make the "living wage" for London which is fucking shit because i spend 50% of it on rent since rent is inflated here, i would like more cash but i'd also like to not fucking work 8 hours a day on shit thats boring.
Its about fufilment, 90% of jobs are just bland and shallow, they add no value, its just a constant grind without an end.

Why should i be commited to something when i get 0 commitment in return? >

>>12007315
>Loyalty
>Modern workforce
If companies wanted employees to be loyal they shouldn't have spent the last 40 years outsourcing jobs and fighting tooth and nail against any profit sharing or benefits increase.

Current workforce protocol is to get a job, and then use that job to leverage offers for better jobs.
The only way to succeed is if you hop around like this getting experience and higher pay with each hop.
If they didn't want it to be like this then they should have invested the time and money into making their employees want to stay at the business.

>>12007315
I work in maintenance, but I get paid hourly so when I am asked to com in and fix something I at least get overtime for it.

>>12009564
>Why should i show commitment or "go the extra mile" if you never get shit in return.
The story of the modern world.

Ted Kaczynski looks more and more based as time goes on.

(Except for the bombing semi-random people thing... but that's a relatively minor issue in the grand philosophical scheme of things)

The funny thing is that in most (non-service) jobs the 40 hour work week is a relic of the past. People should be paid salary to hit certain benchmarks that are realistic. If that takes 20 hours or 100 hours a week it should be irrelevant. Most people waste a large part of the day on time-wasting meetings, or busywork to justify their paycheck. I took over as manager of an office where employees getting paid almost $30 an hour to do bullshit stuff like wash dishes or mop the floors just to justify their existence (in my presence, so I bet they'd just be on faceberg if I weren't)...

With the associates and corporate's agreement, I put the entire office on "part time" with huge bonuses for productivity and hired a housekeeper that got paid $12 an hour with health benefits (we still saved money). We need to change this moronic mentality of having associates dedicate their entire lives to a fucking job, and management needs to pull their heads out of their asses... a job is just a job, not slavelike dedication to a soulless entity.

>>12009630
>People should be paid salary to hit certain benchmarks that are realistic.
Yes.

>>12009630
>Most people waste a large part of the day on time-wasting meetings, or busywork to justify their paycheck.
It's like literally the NPC meme. Like they do it that way just because they're supposed to and perhaps have never taken a serious look at doing it any other way.
Granted, it's easy to become demotivated and such or to think you have no power to change things, but when you are in a position of authority then surely there are much better things that can be tried.

>>12009630
>With the associates and corporate's agreement, I put the entire office on "part time" with huge bonuses for productivity and hired a housekeeper that got paid $12 an hour with health benefits (we still saved money).
Egsellend.

Unironically helping to save the world 1 office at a time.

>>12009555
>>12009564

That's my dream, landing a job and realizing i just can automate it with python without nobody noticing it, and then playing all day with my cellphone meanwhile i get paid doing nothing

>>12008951
That's exactly what happened. My dad is a boomer that bought a 300 square feet house in his twenties and he is shocked that I don't wageslave 24/7.
Get real. I won't waste my twenties Wageslaving if I'm gonna afford the house I want at 50.

That's the millennial dilemma. They want to enjoy life as long as possible and do the minimum effort because they feel than in relative terms with previous generations their efforts will be worth shit

>>12009564
They're rare, but good jobs are out there. Get the fuck out of there asap.

>>12009723

its actually quite depressing because you realise that your voice is just a whisper in a rave.
Its honestly boring...you have to "Prove yourself "to move up.

>thats life
>heh you have to earn your place
>gotta show some passion and effort

nah fuck off, capitalism is productivity==efficiency not a constant shit show.

>>12009564
You gotta really drive home how good you are mate.
Just dazzle them. Show them how much of your work you have been able to make that script do. Show them how much time it otherwise would take had you not been automating it. Convert that to dollars and cents, and show them how much better their bottom line is because of you.

Then, threaten to leave if you are not valued like you should be and given a pay increase based on a percentage of the money you save them.

Always frame shit for the person you are talking to, if they are a person managing a company, the likely thing is that they care most about how much money they are spending to employ you and what benefit that is having.
Show them.

Also, never talk shit on your peers to your boss. Makes you seem weak for trying to put focus on others.

>>12009786
The problem is that America is beginning to look like Japan before the Great Deflation. Instead of people working hard to be compensated well, we're mostly pretending to work but putting in long soul-crushing hours and on top of that go to moronic corporate social gatherings just to look like a "team player". While upper management live like feudal lords, asking why the serfs aren't breaking their backs even harder for them.

>>12009745

I am, been applying for some grad schemes but according to some of my mates who are 1 year in, most grad schemes are meat grinders.

Accounting at deloitte = moving papers from stack A to stack B

DLG grad scheme = 2 years of being someones PA

KPMG = What the fuck am i doing with my life and why do i leave at 9pm

Been looking at BAT and JapInt outside europe because fuck paying so much in taxes and then spending 30/50% of my wage on a shitty house. Eastern europe,Asia/Latin America seem like good choices.

>>12008047
>being this fucking retarded
>thinking a joke 1800s Southerner complaining is real

Please kill yourself and rid this world of 0.0001% of the stupid population.

>>12009823
>Then, threaten to leave if you are not valued like you should be and given a pay increase based on a percentage of the money you save them.
"You weren't being paid to be lazy anon. Did you develop that tool on company time? It's company property then."

The situation you're describing is an ideal. It's the way things should work but often don't.

Remember how the best way to get a raise is to job hop? On what fucking planet is it in the best interest of a business to operate that way?

>>12008052
I'm like OP and asked for a raise today
Was told to fuck right off
I've seen the light

>>12009823

I did at first, i was actually caught in the cog game. I thought that if i do a good job like a good little boy i'd get a treat. Its an endless carrot on a stick game. After several emails and continual broken promises of "offline" talks
I realise thats its probably not worth mentioning that by implementing 150 lines of code they can save roughly £176k a year by sacking 8 people... (assuming everyone is on the same salary as me in my position)

>>12009570
Which means moving around the fucking country also. How the shit are you supposed to do this while at the same time maintaining a relationship (harder to move when partner ALSO has to find a job where moving to), and start a family?

Boomer grandparents and parents live in the same small village they were born in. Worked usually at a single company.

Now we're expected to update CVs, dealing with HR / recruitment wankers, and going to interviews to beg every couple of years.

What rages me is that most jobs now don't even advertise the fucking salary, just say "competitive" or "excellent". Like WTF how the shit am I supposed to know whether "excellent" will feed my kids, or myself? Such a waste of fucking time.

>>12008047

>>12009898
Imagine being as out of touch with reality as the guy you just replied to. lmao. Good on you, wish I was better at coding, reading some books on it, gettin better little by little but don’t ever push myself. Hope I can change that soon.

>>12009953
>Which means moving around the fucking country also. How the shit are you supposed to do this while at the same time maintaining a relationship (harder to move when partner ALSO has to find a job where moving to), and start a family?
You're... not! :-DDD

But point out the obvious and you're a conspiracy theorists. Corporations would never be corrupt. Just because the better-funded candidate wins elections 91% of the time, and the money to win elections comes from corporations, does not mean that elections are effectively predetermined and the world is run by corporate entities in a manner not unlike those from the vidja game Syndicate.

Nope.
I fucking swear, it's like many people have something in their head where there are certain ideas they are simply unwilling to accept could ever be possible regardless of the evidence presented. Like they're emotionally unwilling to accept that things could ever be worse than X because somehow the universe is magically self-balancing and humanity could never be run in an unsustainable manner that does not work.

ZOOMERS RISE UP
(Because Gen Y is too tired right now, k)

>>12009953
>What rages me is that most jobs now don't even advertise the fucking salary, just say "competitive" or "excellent". Like WTF how the shit am I supposed to know whether "excellent" will feed my kids, or myself? Such a waste of fucking time.
At least you get to be a Jedi/Ninja/Faggit :-DDD

brb not even a real or properly-defined job.

If they pay overtime then sure. Otherwise it's another Telltale Games situation

>>12009723
Did this in an internship although I told my bosses about it in order to leverage interest in hiring me and they encouraged it. I was still expected to sit in my cube 8hrs a day though and look busy which fucking sucked. Two hour commute at rush hour, 20 minutes any other time no bullshit. Since all code in theory would have had to go through so many channels to be approved for use. My loophole was using vba in excel. Since recording macros was cool, writing my own was somehow fine. At this point I could probably build bitcoin in excel

>>12010189
its so fucking sad that most offices are beginning to catch up on VBA and SQL. Companies still use BlackPrince2.

Honestly, every industry apart from tech is shit simply due to how out of date and out of touch it is. Tech is always ahead because its constantly revolving and also talent is hard to come by.

But even solid roles where spec workers are rare or difficult to acquire are stuck using old practises.

fucking vba in 2018...

>>12008052
This anon gets it.

>Work a job where I get paid by the hour
>Been taking paid lunches for the last 3 years
>Putting 70% of my money in index funds and telling nobody

I know the day is coming when they put me on (((salary))) and expect me to work 50+ hours per week while getting paid for 40. I want to be able to walk away on that day.

>>12007315

OF COURSE MASTER

>>12009555
>>12009564
>Do a job quickly and efficiently
>Get given more work

I learnt this long ago. I hand in every piece of vital work exactly on time, and every piece of non-vital work slightly after the deadline. I get praised for hard work and my boss apologises to me as "I see you handing in work late, sorry for working you so hard"

I got a 20% payrise when some busybody has been haggling onver a 7% payrise and he does like double me

>>12010189
I wanna learn vba and SQL what to do

>>12007315

Fun fact.

If you don’t work for yourself or have dinner with the business owner you work for on occasion. Your going to get fucked one day. Without lube.

I was always just the go along young guy in the corporation. But twice the department got laid off.

Of course I didn’t give a shit because I always surfed the internet and went on really long lunches and should have been fired.

But both time they laid off my boss and all the loyal workers who had been there more than 10 years... My boss was in tears.

And it was never because of our departments performance. It’s because they just wanted to outsource.

The second time it happened I realized I should just become a contractor and star my own business.

I work more but I fucking can’t fire myself.

>>12007315
As someone in public accounting, I absolutely laugh at people who think working over 40 hours is a lot. During busy season, (January-March), we are required to work AT LEAST 55 hours (usually around 80 hours). This is absolutely nothing. Anyone who complains about working 40 hours is a little baby.

>>12010825
>complaining about working long hours
>only really works 3 months the whole year
fuck off CuckPA

>>12010599
Similar to my situation. Months away for me most likely. Best of luck anon

>>12010853
We work those hours throughout the year. I'm just talking about when it's actually mandated. I guarantee you that I work significantly more hours than you do.

>>12010825
>>12010853
CPAs are hilarious, your whole job will be done by an algorithm (or two) in less than five years, like literally why even bother.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-14/ai-can-now-catch-lies-on-your-expense-report

And yes, I know that the point of auditing is more often making qualitative judgment calls about where to place things - too bad that's a basic optimization/dynamic programming problem that algorithms are also good at.

>>12010825
Working long hours isn't something to brag about moron. It means you are inefficient and/or are part of a terribly run firm.

>>12010239
This was 2015 but yeah. I literally automated to the point where they started letting people go, which I feel kinda bad about considering I turned down their job offer. That excel file has got to be at least a gigabyte in size by now, which I also kinda feel bad about. Hope they copy and pasted the template each month like I told them to.

>>12010905
Says the NEET. That's not even remotely close to what we do as auditors, tax consultants, and M&A analysts. If CPAs were automated in 5 years, then nearly every single job would be automated by then as well.

>>12010912
No inefficiencies, retard. CPA firms work you to the bone.

>>12010659
Just learn how to use Alteryx and program in Python.

>>12010950
>terribly run firm

>>12010976
I guess I won't argue with that. I hate my firm.

>>12007782
yup

>>12010189
>I was still expected to sit in my cube 8hrs a day though and look busy
when HR has their heads up their ass

>>12010912
Depends on the compensation and availability of resources. Being so skilled or specialized that you could work double hour weeks isnt terribly lame at all, but being forced to usually is. I've worked a 20+ hour day before, the circumstances and cuckoldry involved are so embarassing that I havent told anyone about it until now.
>>12010659
SQL can be learned in a few hours, efficient sql takes experience with large databases. Baby steps but don't form bad habits.
Vba for excel, edit some recorded macros if v new to programming and see if you want to deal with it. Then go learn java or another language and come back to it. Dont learn to program in vba, it will taint the mind (although it's good enough if you are 10 and just learning to code in visual studio). Otherwise just have patience and keep your research task oriented. Many have died of boredom reading vba docs & pajeet blogs telling you how to turn rows into columns the wrong way

I love threads like this because it makes me appreciate the perfect tech job I have. Sometimes I go to different departments and keep tabs on their machines, sometimes I'm at my cube, sometimes I'm replacing stuff, but my hours are just that, mine. And because I'm always reliable my boss lets me just do what I want to do. I go in at 7ish and leave some time before 3. Never more. And I pace my own work out and I don't have any deadlines I don't give myself.

>>12008047
Holy shit this has to be a troll.

I like my job as a professor, and there is very little time that I am not, in one way or another, doing something related to my profession. Even shitposting on /biz/ has a connection. I like my life, and I pity people who see their work as slavery.

>>12008047
kys

>>12011281
what classes do you teach? one of my former professors is into crypto

>>12009555
>>12009564
you gotta make an AI that does the 2 hour job
then you should shadow work, everything is always ready like you're a magician
never reveal your secret, treat it as if you were the best at it in the world but seemingly oblivious to it.
they'll think they struck gold hiring you lmao

>>12007354
You aren't a tool to be used by your employer. Your employer is a tool to be used by you. I make shit wages where I'm working but I'm also learning to repair phones which is a new skill. If you have to work for shit wages find a job that teaches you something you can use to make money. It's like getting paid to go to school.

>>12011281
I feel the same way as a new grad working as a developer. I enjoy this stuff and the only real downside is that I can't choose my own projects. Everything else is fantastic

>>12011313
I'm in a European philology department, and I teach courses in philosophy, writing, linguistics, and pedagogy.

>>12011281
>>12011420
Yeah I feel the sameway as a geologist work can be thrilling especially if you're on the cusp of finding something big

>>12008188
in a communist society, the state will kill anyone who doesn't want to be exploited.

>>12011511
Shut up kulak.

>>12007315
Hahahahha Oh nononono! Just look at all the seething millenials in my thread. Guess what sweety: If you want to succeed in life you got to put in some elbow grease.

>>12009138
>bring up a problem with capitalism
>NPCs immediately start talking about the problems of communisms

Fags

>>12007315
LMAO what an entitled CEO

>leave work at 6pm
when do they start work for this to be a problem? at 12pm?

I'm working as a fraud investigator at a major US bank...it's absolutely the worst job I've ever had but I can meet all the performance requirements in well under 40 hours per week so I just kinda coast. I've been dumb enough to buy into my VP and team leader's talk about me being considered for the next senior associate role so I do extra work.

Some day I'll actually have a job I like again.

>>12007315
I don't even really work. I don't make shit for money like 12 bucks an hour front desk at hotel overnight but I'm pretty much drunk every night watching anime so I don't even really work. In fact I'm drunk right now posting from work. Paid shits? More like paid media consumption. If you need anime recommendations I'm your guy

I have a boomer boss that is exactly like this.
>whines about paying me $25/hour (living wage for this shitty gentrified city is ~$23/hour)
>hires only immigrant slavs and then wonders why the ancient system has no real documentation
>demands that I wear slacks and a dress shirt every day even though he comes to work in fucking slippers sometimes
>made weird ass comments about bathroom breaks and how they were taking time away from my job
>complain loudly about his retirement fund performance but refuses to actually put more than 10% of his assets into stocks instead of bonds
What is wrong with these people?

>>12012389
Lol that sucks I haven't even seen my boss in person in like 3 months I think I actually forgot what he looks like

Pic is me working from my apartment in Okinawa, Japan. Sitting in front of a 60" I practically stole from some dumb marine cause he can't update firmware.

I make 13,000 USD a month as a web developer on contract for a company based in Australia. I spend most my day surfing the web and replying to work IM messages. A couple 1-2 hour sessions of real work sprinkled in.

I am able to command this compensation and working condition because I'm pretty good at my shit.

I'm good at my shit because I can happily spend time outside of work hours building something using my work skills. Subsequently, I get better at my actual work.

>>12012560
I make 14k a month and have a 62" dick beat that faggot

>>12012560
What a healthy lifestyle you have there anon

>>12012574

Note: I only work for my client during 9-5.

>>12007315
>working at all
not comfy

>>12007315
Suck it up bitch.
I take a 1-hour lunch if I want, and you know you'll keep me because I'm the best at what I do.

>>12012386
>If you need anime recommendations I'm your guy
please do fren, do you have some dark fantasy stuff like berserk? i love gore anime

>>12012560
>I'm good at my shit because I can happily spend time outside of work hours building something using my work skills. Subsequently, I get better at my actual work.
What you said here is very true. Most people don't have time to develop other skill that they could begin developing or improve upon skills they already have. So they're stuck with mediocrity and trapped in their job.
People need to find a way out.

>>12008184

Hasn't been my experience. I generally feel i'm treated well once hired. The hiring process is where this attitude comes out though ("show us your personal projects").

>>12007315
Not unless the fuckers pay me at least time and a half. Shit can burn for all I care.

>>12012637

Wasn't always chill like this.

I used to work as a male receptionist and in my parent's attic. I was 23 or 24. For a year, monday to friday, I'd get home, smoke weed, and try to build a shitty website project until I passed out.

>>12012648
>"show us your personal projects"

I unironically use this on the candidates I interview. I wouldn't make it the crux of the hiring but for entry-level roles it's pretty accurate. Also gives me an easy out for pushing back the diversity candidates HR puts through to me [grills & diversity candidates trying to join IT almost always are just in it for the $$ and don't give a shit if they suck].

If any anons are trying to join IT I cannot stress this enough as being the key to your success.

>>12008184
Do you know who came up with the idea of on-call rotations for software engineering because this shit is an absolute abortion

>>12011264
Holy shit this has to be a troll.

>>12013123
but he is. and he got 5 people to reply

>>12010660
>I work 90 hours 7 days a week b-but at least im my own boss
>y-yeah I totally make my own hours, 16 of them a day!
Successful self employment is almost as much of a scam as wage cucking
Best case scenario you die in your mid thirties while you still hope and believe you're gonna start living your life soon

>>12008052
>steal biscuits from all work kitchens
in america you do this with bagels.

>>12012560
why are you in japan if your company is in australia and you can work remotely?

also, what do you do in web dev? back or front end? i was considering getting into webdev but dont know what i would like best. are you doing mobile web shit like for apps?

>>12012759
Micheal O Church, we need you here. That portfolio issue is being raised again. Ask a lawyer and doctor how many cases you have prepared or surgery you did outside work. Fucking hate IT. Oversupply and smug hiring managers / product managers.

Problem is not all code monkeys will rise to Manager levels as it needs usual extroversion (you can learn it / fake it but end of the day you will be dissatisfied if you are faking it all time) and more STEM hypes continue to create never-ending supply of code-monkeys. So your seniority/experience actually doesn’t matter unless you are specialised in a niche like CyberSecurity. In all “sustainable” professions you usually are more valuable with your experience. For example MDs. I refuse to learn all latest-greatest frameworks that my workplace dictates. OS intervals / multithreading / scalability — they used to be interesting but ceased to appeal my interest as Agile BS starts spreading like wild fire converting creative devs to assembly line workers. Coding used to be good when supply was limited and few people knew it. Just like everything else it got commoditised. It’s actually very good for managers / employers and VCs. More young blood to exploit and it’s all the more better as those coders doesn’t have unions / cannibalise each other / without any standardised governing body (have never seen lawyers denigrating each other outside courts; they respect each other and registered to bar council who can attest)

Software is a good career for 3-5 years. Make as much money and investments you can afford. But invest something on yourself to find a sustainable career whee you will not be so tired to afford a sue hustle. Actually Enterprise Consultant in SAP / SAS / Oracle Financials are good stable careers as they have higher switching cost.

>>12014143
>Enterprise Consultant in SAP / SAS / Oracle Financials
this seems like the comfiest white collar job but unless you have someone you know high up I can't begin to imagine how to break into that field

>>12014284
Its just a matter of learning to program on those platforms and you're in. You can learn it by pursuing certification/training or getting an entry-level job at those companies. They are actually paid way more than web developers. I know consultants in Switzerland charge 2000€/day to work at a company. And its not that hard, its just that there are so few of them in the market.

>>12008110

I thought this was also the case in the US but then my employer was sued over it.

>>12009564

Very similar story here. All the work I couldnt feed to vba I gave to the interns.

I sit on 4chan all day hoping to get fired but its gone on like this for years.

>>12009723

its boring as fuck

>>12010239

most normalfags touch type. vba is magic to them

>>12014143
>Actually Enterprise Consultant in SAP / SAS / Oracle Financials are good stable careers as they have higher switching cost.
My mom keeps telling me to learn SAP or programming to get a better job. At the moment I have a toxicology degree and am a lab rat doing QC/analytical work for 30/hr. Need to make big boy bucks though, any tips?

>>12010825

>look how big a cuck i am
>your wives could never handle my bull

>>12010905

t. cant fizzbuzz

>>12007315
I would work more, if they pay more.

>>12009555
>"we're looking for people who are more grape/dragon fruit"

u wot

>tfw work is full flex time
>show up to work at 1 pm boss asks me why I was so late, tell him it was because I’m hungover
“On a Tuesday?”
>proceed to have paid beershits for 1.5 hours on company time.
>decide I’m tired of working, clock out at 4 pm to go to the bars
>work can’t fire me because I’m by far the most efficient and successful on my team

>>12009292
Same. It works that way at my current network engineer position and my two previous IT jobs as well.

>>12014804
Anyone?

>>12007782
this. pay me more and I'll work more.

>>12014995
tfw lying

>>12008052
This guy knows whats up.

I hate my job, and I want to quit. I’ve applied to places and followed up with them, but they haven’t called me back. What can I do with no real marketable skills or useful knowledge to make a living as my own boss? What are some redpilled ways to do that? Some perspective:

>25 y.o.
>Social worker/ case manager
>$11,000 in the bank
>$5,000 in retirement
>$20,000 in student loans
>$8500 in auto loan

I don’t think I can stay in my job another month. It’s killing my spirit and sucking my soul. What are you ideas? Crypto? Ebooks? Buying a trailer park or opening a self-storage facility sound like excellent investments, but I lack the capital and don’t want to go further into debt when I don’t know what I’m doing.

Politically, is it even possible for a poor indebted person to escape wage slavery in western society anymore? If I just had a little money to get started, with no strings attached, it would be bearable

>inb4 suck dicks, inb4 kids in Africa have no job and I don’t realize how lucky I am

>>12015998
>If I just had a little money to get started
on what?

>>12016418
i'd wager this is what's killing you, not the hating your job part of your post. You are not working towards anything of your own.

>>12008184
Most of the software engineers I know rarely work outside of office hours or program outside of projects.

>>12008047
Holy shit this is absolutely a redditor.

>>12009328
This, if you make it clear you do exactly what is expected with you without fail, you're also advertising that you will do more if you get a raise. Everyone who "puts in extra" hoping to get more money is a retard who is giving their time away for free begging for handouts that will never come because you just broadcasted to your employer that you will work for free.

Note that this depends on your job, this works for large companies only. Smaller companies your job description is generally "show up and do things" so it's more important to do things that might not be strictly "your job"

>>12016436
Well yes and no. There are no finished products to look back on a feel satisfied with in my field, just constant referrals in. The management is horrible. Awful. Incompetent and apathetic. The pay is shit.

I want to work, but I want to make passive income and just keep compounding it more and more. If I was mechanically inclined I would consider purchasing and renting real estate. That’s why I mentioned a trailer park. If you own the dirt under the trailers, you can bring in great passive income just from lot rent. I have nowhere near enough capital to finance any of the endeavors however, not while I’m paying my own rent and loans.

>>12012209
Go away you commie fuck.

>>12016628
sounds like you want the income from renting out but not so much the work itself. is there anything you want to do for its own sake?

also your job sounds bad, guy. hope you'll find something better soon.

>>12007315
it's almost time

>>12007315
>committing yourself to an employer who will ultimately cut you as a lost should the need to maintain their profits come first
Boomers running things was a mistake

>>12009292
have you never been in charge of a production system?

>>12010660

>I didn't give a shit because I always surfed the internet and went on really long lunches and should have been fired.

Me in literally every job I've ever had, currently been at this one almost five years.

I come in quite late and leave after about 7 hours when everyone's already left. I still easily manage to get all work done.

>>12014143

Sup NutritionAnon!

>>12008110

UK'ers take like all of December and February off. Constantly bitch about being overworked but most look entirely well fed, and spend half the work day wanking about soccer and shit. Don't you get like 6 weeks vacation and you bet your ass they take every day.

Worked in the UK for 5 years in London, Cardiff and Manchester for a construction / engineering business. There are a lot of issues in the UK, but being overworked is not one of them.

So I have no problem with 6 weeks vacation, but your work life is not so bad.

>>12008047
You got me gooder than he did

>>12008052
This guy gets it. I got disgruntled, and started looking for work. 4 weeks later I had an offer for slightly less pay, but much better work life and less commute. Sold.

Was about to give my 3 weeks notice, when my manager called me in to discuss my work of late and my attitude. Gave me a severance package, paid out all vacation immediately and a neutral reference guarantee because I was "bringing down the team.

No kidding like a week before I was going to give my two weeks notice, I got bought out. Unbelievable. I am like the least lucky person ever in most things, but this time it worked out great.

>>12009555
Ah the Uni meme.

I don't understand why companies believe they are entitled to a person's time when they are not paying them for it. Doesn't work with prostitutes, doesn't work with me.

They tried the same shit on me when I was still living in London, the 3 month probation seems to be a well-known tactic. The company I was at couldn't quite comprehend that I said if they weren't happy with me I was more than happy to step away. Apparently the issue wasn't the quality of my work but "me as a person" because I didn't want to go drinking with them after work.

It's like they hired me to be their friend, I shit you not.

Best thing to do is to get in vogue skills and move wherever is paying higher until you find a decent company. The UK's work culture is fucked, go abroad anon.

>>12016963
I have hobbies. BJJ, hunting, lifting, reading philosophical works, etc. But nothing that translates well to real world skills. I would like to get into metalworking, or coding, or farming. I guess I’m pretty much worthless to the market itself but idk what I want to do with my life. I just Day Dream. I’m utterly tired of being a wageslave.

>>12017162
>UK'ers take like all of December and February off
Not sure where you're getting this information from anon..

>>12017162
Try broadcasting, you legit won't care if you fall under a train by the end of your 3 month probation. Never again. It's all useless Gen X ballbags posturing to each other that they aren't homosexuals.

Anywhere is better than London, particularly when you have rare skills.

>>12011281
You do realize that jobs often vary(greatly!!!)
Do construction or factory work, or any other manual, repetitive and mundane job... Then you'll see

>work in finance
>latest anyone leaves is 6pm
Based stock market opening/closing hours

>>12017162
You are clueless. Excluding public holidays, the UK has a minimum 20 days' paid leave per year - most companies do not offer anything beyond this.

>>12009292
The working overtime is mostly a sales meme.

>>12017322
>It's like they hired me to be their friend, I shit you not
The real red pill is that is over 90% of jobs out there. Only at most 10% require actual work so the company can make revenue regardless if they actually make profit.

>>12007315
I hope most of the 100+ answers that received were, "kys".

>>12007315
>what can I do as a ceo

Move to fucking Japan where that shit belongs and people literally drop dead in the streets from exhaustion

>>12017267
>3 weeks notice

Why do people do this? If I find a new job because my current one us shitty, I tell them on my last day as I'm clocking out that I start a better job tomorrow, today was my last day. Fuck 'em. If they deserved the courtesy of advance notice, I wouldn't have quit. If you get fired, do they give YOU advance notice? No. Fire your shitty employers, people.

>>12007315
>what can I do as a CEO

Eat a large calibur bullet?

Quit being a selfish dick and ask what their dreams and ambitions are and help them achieve. Not that hard especially when u have power

>>12018858
For them to escape my putrid hellhole of a job that I magically managed to lure them in? kys

Have fun on ur deathbed with no good karma left for the afterlife

>>12018755
I guess it varies from country to country. In my country, if you have an open-ended duration contract and you don't give the proper notice before your last day, you can get sued for damages.

>>12009555
>>12009564

Man, I wish I could automate much more of my work as a software developer... Maybe I should just get a job in a kinda different field, automate it as much as possible and then just coast along?

>>12009564

Also, how much money are you able to save a month after all expenses and shit?

>>12009723

So is mine. Imagine if it were also a remote gig. Think of the fucking possibilities.

>>12007974
120% based

>>12009122
its not. checked

>>12009122
It depends if you went from 1000 to 3000 or from 3000 to 9000. If you reached a salary such that it would allow you to easily buy some real estate, it was worth it for sure.

>>12019841
>If you reached a salary such that it would allow you to easily buy some real estate, it was worth it for sure
That doesn't exist outside of tribal connections. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPjWRu5heGs

>>12020142

What the fuck, is the scenario that bad for IB in fucking London?

>>12017322

>this

finna leave this shit hole where i have to pay a TV tax and a butter knife tax to live somewhere in Mergal mainland.

IM FULLY COMMITTED TO THE SUCCESS AND PROSPERITY OF THE COMPANY

>>12022046
I am fully committed to the success and prosperity of this nation

>>12022046
my faggot fucking gen x dad and millennial step mom told me that this was what i had to do to get a job
avoided putting that shit on my resume, but they looked over it and forced me to stick it back on when they saw that i'd removed it. felt i had to stand with what was on my resume when i talked to employers at the time, and fumbled through fucking eeeeverythiiing
then i gave it up and immediately got a job at a ski lodge upon going for my first interview

unless your company is literally akin to a sovereign state that operates out of the surrounding government's control and provides me with a means of preserving my own sovereignty, i will not *fully* commit myself to your organization
i fucking won't; i'll do what i'm paid to do, though

>>12007315
don't work for other people

>>12007315
I work from home for $30/hr. I'm happy to work 12+ hours a day usually.

Am I the only one here that works for a non-profit?

>>12022520
>millennial step mom
wtf... how old are you?

>>12022520
>unless your company is literally akin to a sovereign state that operates out of the surrounding government's control and provides me with a means of preserving my own sovereignty, i will not *fully* commit myself to your organization
>i fucking won't; i'll do what i'm paid to do, though
SHALL NOT BE etc. etc.

Wtf if your CEO is posting on Quora about how to manage the company that is fucked. Get a new job.

>>12009977
Noice.

>>12022520
You have to be 18 to post here.

>>12019403
I'm thinking of doing this. Current job pays shit and expects me to be a god. No promotions, no raises. I could make more operating a fucking crane or jackhammer, why should I work hard for nothing? I could actually be an office god if I had a job that didn't assume I could code.

>>12023886
>took a shit job with low salary and no prospects
>surprised when anything is demanded of him when he obviously can't fight for himself

>>I could make more operating a fucking crane or jackhammer
why don't you then

>>12023979
>took a shit job with low salary and no prospects
No, I took an entry-level job with the reasonable promise of promotion and got a dead end job where I'm expected to do as much work with as much complexity as the most senior members of the team while getting paid the least of anyone in our whole department.
>why don't you then
I'd have to get a cert. I'm actually considering it, plus the physical labor would be good for me.

>>12024004
every entry level job is a diceroll
gl if u decide to go with construction certs tho

>>12024014
>every entry level job is a diceroll
Advice I'd have gotten from a parent of they weren't both degenerate white trash that didn't graduate high school. I've learned that one now though.
I'll only go with the certs if I really can't bear to deal with tech anymore.

>>12007782
Well said.

>>12008188
Capitalism just means private property rights and freedom. It doesn't mean people have to act in a certain way.

>>12017162
>The UK has December and February off work
Have you ever even set for outside of your Guatemalan mudhut, Sancho?

>>12008047
WOW HOLY FUCKING SHIT SHERLOCK DID YOU FIGURE THAT ALL BY YOURSELF?

gib payraise bos

I hate my job. Got screwed out of 1 of my breaks too yet my manager sure was okay with me making up 2 minutes for being late (may have been more late but I said 2 minutes). She also has the audacity to tell me its no big deal being a minute late, okay then why didn't she tell me not to worry about it? Yet she just stares at me when she has me work 1 minute overtime and I jokingly ask for overtime pay. Want to sneak out 15 minutes early but how do I do this in a place full of tattle tells and the lady upfront being one of the coworkers on my office team? My boss wasn't even here today.

>>12010599
Sounds good.

The popular index funds are not properly diversified btw. Too much weight on the few biggest companies.

>>12010660
Sounds good.

I plan on working for myself one day too.

pic related ideal cuckery for boss

>>12017130
Yes, anon. I thought of abstaining from regurgitating that shit again and again. But that fucking 'portfolio' thing - that fucking SV brainwash is too hard to digest.


No industry (not even fucking prostitution) other than Tech allow its members to be vulnerable like that. Overwork but no equity ownership / no sales commission. Its good that all those fucking commodity tech startups die a painful death.

https://www.quora.com/Other-than-transitioning-to-a-different-field-academia-or-industrial-research-what-other-options-exist-for-someone-creative-with-a-high-degree-of-intolerance-to-the-assembly-line-treatment-of-the-commoditized

>>12024692
>It doesn't mean people have to act in a certain way.

This. Love Capitalism (with some issues), shareholders, equity / debt funding etc - all good. However there has to be more to this as it doesn't help eradicating inefficiencies rampant in big / mid corporations.

Build business relationships / sale / produce / crate value / customer happiness / create value for shareholder (mostly held by opaque index funds; gone are days of shareholder activism unless you are a billionaire) -- all of these are good but it doesn't necessarily solve those inefficiencies brought on by hacking organisational dynamics to your favour.

>>12011465
Absolutely BASED

>>12015998
Learn to endure pain better. Increase your brains tolerance to stress by eating healthy (broccoli, carrots, lentils, nuts) and exercising. Have a regular sleep schedule and avoid drugs.

>Wash through CompSci
>Get a degree in Data Analysis/Informatics instead. Is that even in demand? I don't think it is.
>The maximum of my earning potential is $15/hr as a computer tech with shit hours and unpaid overtime

Is there a way out? Can I make my lot better?

>>12025207
Oh I need a few of those, those shitty geeks that get happy when they do one of their shitty comp sci stuff if the dream. They can smell as much as they want in my office

>>12012386
you could be watching learning shit and learning shit dude. You could be doing a microdegree with EdX or Udemy. Learning is key to making more dineros

>>12009946
Go to the CEO. Close his door and hood him hostage until he fires those 8 others, makes you an exec and gives you the raise. Show him the monetary benefits. Numbers do the talking. If he doesn't see the benefits then he's actually retarded and not worth your work.

>>12025207
Doesn't seem all that cucky, does it? He didn't seem to work extra hours or anything unless I read it wrong. The cuckiest thing was him being a Mac guy.

>>12025380

Here is what you can do

- As someone already mentioned, move to a progressive organisation which practises a Dual-Track-Agile. A typology of organisational cultures. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1765804/).). For better results ensure that your manager has first-hand operational-knowledge (ex. software engineering).

- Look into knowledge areas currently passing through ‘mystery/heuristic’ (explorative) phases such as - Product Design and Product-Data-Analysis, if you are looking at options in Tech. I’m tempted to mention Machine Learning here, but unfortunately unless you are a ML Researcher, most of the ML work in corporations revolves mostly around Data Engineering which is not exactly a creative avenue, but certainly necessary.

- You can, of course, look into Scientific Computing areas such as GPU Gems or look into areas where design (qualitative) and tech (quantitative) gets fused to put your creative urges on steroid - Digital Dérive: Reconstructing Urban Environments based on Human Experience (https://autodeskresearch.com/publications/digital-d%C3%A9rive-reconstructing-urban-environments-based-human-experience).). Yeah, all of these are industrial or academic research which you are already aware of.

- Get a CFA, and apply your creativity to see through numbers and investment strategies formed thereof. This will also build an entry-barrier to your career.

- Get into areas of Tech with high Techno-Functional focus such a SAP / SAS / Oracle-Financials where tech-frameworks-proliferation is mostly absent. You focus on Business/Domain knowledge more that Tech itself.

- And of course you can pivot to a different industry such as Nutrition (I did and comfy as fuck)

>imagine being dominated by a black woman ceo

>>12025274
>opaque index funds
this

>>12025599

As explained in the book Amazon.com: The Design of Business: Why Design Thinking is the Next Competitive Advantage (8601200550054): Roger L. Martin: Books , you need to understand the how knowledge advances from one stage to another — via ‘S curve’ — from mystery (something we can't explain) to heuristic (a rule of thumb that guides us toward solution) to algorithm (a predictable formula for producing an answer) to code (when the formula becomes so predictable it can be fully automated). As knowledge advances across the stages (anecdotally, creative people enjoys it most at “mystery/heuristic” stages), productivity grows and costs drop-creating massive value for companies. This is a classic case of commoditisation and can be seen across many industries.

Pic related.

>>12025617

Woah, will definitely read up on that concept NutritionAnon. I'm the dude who's tired of the Agile BS in my work and I've decided to quit my job in a month or two in order to get some rest and then learn some shit that would get me another job that doesn't involve that Agile BS (possibly pivoting to another field).

>>12012560
>Makes so much money
>Doesn't have furniture
Doubt.

>>12020142
I make 2k euros a month after tax. Was fun listening this thing.

>>12025221
>tech startups

What's the deal with "startups" anyway in tech? It always seems like an unashamed way of pointing out the reality that there are a shitton of companies that haven't been around very long, presumably because companies going under in that sector is commonplace.

Like a way of spinning the fact that most of it is built on sand... out of cards n shit.

>>12025274
>Love Capitalism (with some issues)

It just needs to be more anarchic, mirite? 8)

>>12015998
>>inb4 suck dicks, inb4 kids in Africa have no job and I don’t realize how lucky I am

Yeah man, listen to the establishment; at least you don't have 12 kids in the Belgian Congo.

Though if you did, it would be the West's responsibility to feed them, natch.

>>12007315
Employer and employee exist in a perpetual state of competition and friction. The employer makes profit, which is only limited by competition in the market, off of the labor of the employee; while the employee, regardless of how much value and profit their labor generates, is paid only a fixed salary in return. If you are an employee who goes out of your way to advance the interests of your employer for nothing in return, you are a cuckold in the most literal sense.

>>12025599
The thing is all I see is Healthcare jobs for data entry, but I don't know how to get into them. I'm going through temp agencies right now because people say that's how you get hired these days, but it seems the best they thought I was good for was a computer tech.

>>12025781
Fixed salary means no upside, but also no downside. When the company loses money, employees don't have to pay the company money.

It is possible to negotiate other kinds of contracts too...

>>12012560
If you're larping, at least make it believable. Nothing in your image is evidence that you have a high salary.

>>12008317
When my shift is over, I always sit down to take a nice, long, bowel-cleansing shit while browsing my phone BEFORE clocking out. Shitting on company time is the ultimate redpill.

>>12009946
Im not sure what industry you are in so this advice might not apply but you need to spend your extra time learning how the business works. Know all the inside secrets; what makes your company money. Do this while at home you start a rival company that is focused on only the most profitable portion of your current gig.

In 1-2 years you have an automated company that is focused on a key profitable area that your and other workplaces cannot dream of competing with.

>>12009555
>>12009564
You should arrange for flexible work conditions, ie work from home. Then just have your manager keep the work coming as necessary.
Or, quit then start up a contracting business doing exactly what your doing. It sounds like it could be valuable to gullible business.

>>12025991
>Do this while at home you start a rival company
Ya, and get raped out the ass with tax because you're not big enough yet to be able to avoid enough tax to get actually big.

>>12025991
>In 1-2 years you have an automated company
Automated... eh?

Care to give some examples? Very interdasting.

>>12007315
Pic related needs to transfer those workers to offshore facilities, entice them with some benefit. Then they can be placed under armed guards and reoriented to a proper institutional style forced-labor regimen.