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>>12007892
dems going to neck him this time for sure.

>>12007892
He'll be the next Antonin Scalia. Found dead with a pillow over his head

>>12007892
I wonder what his stance is on prolapsed anus sucking

>>12008034
No no anon get it right
>died of natural causes

he needs a new lambo

>>12007892
>Looks like Bernie Sanders is running for president again, despite big warning signs
looks like the neoliberal shills already have another candidate in mind. i wonder who the establishment is going to nominate

Bernie has best chances of all socialists against trump as he is hardcore socialist, hillary even democrat voters views merely as a bank puppet. And sanders is a problem for other democrats too cause he does not afraid being very socialist while sucking hardcore socialsit voter base to himself lol

>>12008178
>implying a jewish politician isn't a bank puppet

Bernie vs Trump

based all the banter, the election would be a meme festival I really hope he runs.

>>12007892
AMERICA

IS

SAVED

I think he'll win. A lot of the mid west and southern majority have felt the impact of tariffs on their construction, manufacturing, and farming jobs and they'll want someone to fix it if Trump can't come to a good deal with China and the rest of the world.

Ironically despite being a far right fascist I liked Bernie and would have voted for him if say Jeb! or the little Cuban fag had been the GOP nominee. I suspect that horseshoe theory has some merit after all.

>>12008425
Socialists gonna socialist.

hes like 982 years old how the heck does he plan to survive the entire term?

>>12008505
and trump is like 852 years old and in worse shape

>>12008552
thats over 100 years younger and he's got high energy.
you think bernie is the type of nigger to be up at 3am talking shit on twitter?
i doubt it.

>>12008578
idk, I still see that nigga literally running around in train stations trying to catch the next train

>>12008310
Not all jews are bankers you dumb fuck, should I say whatever muddled group of retards you're from all support fracking?

bernie is a russian agent... hes also going to jail.............. research it

>>12008471
Guess so. (((Capitalism))) isn't doing so hot anyway huh?

Oh yeahz this zionist career politician who voted for all the wars and sanctions of the last decades is so fly. all the washed out green haired ssoi are on point with their fandom, he's got my vote for sure.

>>12008654
We live in a system that is not 100% capitalist, nor 100% socialist. It is something between. An unholy child of both.
The more an area has capitalism, the better it is doing. Check out some economic freedom indexes.
https://www.heritage.org/index/heatmap

If Sanders would be such an impactful president why can't Trump get anything done other than geopolitical theater and standard GOP shit that nobody cares about? Oh yeah he also whines on Twitter.

You see, with Trump you have proof that Sanders' vision would fail. Sanders always talked about how people must stay engaged in politics all year not just during elections so that he can use a "bully pulpit" to force congress and the senate to enact his will. He said he would do regular rallies and use social media to get the word out about his desired policies and the people would pressure the rest of the government to enact them.

Sounds good right? But what about the fact that Trump already has a massive army of super-engaged people hanging off his words? And many of his words are bitching and crying that congress/senate won't enact his America-first agenda? It turns out the people are completely ineffective at influencing the government. And Sanders army would be millennial redditors, which would be even less effective than the Qtards and other assorted MAGA people.

>>12007892
lmao as if the corporate democrats would allow him to win, they'd rather lose to Trump than allow Bernie to win

>>12007892
Nigga needs another beach house

good
he was jewed last time
would be the current US president right now if it did not happen

>>12008692
YEah, I'd rather take some stylish East German Communism than whatever the fuck the Western World is supposed to be right now.

So anyway... is he running as Independent then? I thought he was incapable of running as a Dem because they changed the rules somehow?

Is he gonna Ross Perot the Dems?

>>12008698
oy vey, there simply is no point in trying

This socialist has 3 houses. The absolute state of leftist DYOR capabilities.

>>12008178
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>>12008869
You would vote for him after he willingly endorsed Hilary and got mogged by BLM? Fucking hopeless.

>>12008940
look man
there is no way to see eye to eye with every issue when it comes to presidential candidates.
he's the less shitty chance we've had since Ross perot

>>12008973
>he's the less shitty chance we've had since Ross perot

Just like when Bernie told you to vote Hilary, right, since she was the less shitty chance than Trump?

>>12008128
probably Kamala Harris. She talks like a progressive now but is a corporate dog all the same.

>muh hardcore socialist
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch03.htm
if you are leftist (and by that I don't mean LIBERAL), don't trust "socialists" just because they claim to be socialists

>>12008998
would you have rather had him nigger chimp out
he lost with grace faggot

>>12008940
eh? I never mentioned Bernie. I replied to someone talking about the bizarre mixed system the West has.

Bernie is hardly fucking "East German Communism". He supports the kind of "socialism" where large-scale private enterprise is allowed, corporations still run everything, and the economy is objectively not socialist... but it's still socialism :-DDDD

Not that I want socialism either, but at least it would be more honest than living in a pile of garbage that gets labelled "capitalism" but isn't.

>>12008998
>Just like when Bernie told you to vote Hilary, right, since she was the less shitty chance than Trump?
Dog blezz Pernie Zanders

>>12009115
>Kamala Harris
LOOL, I remember someone pointing that Kamala the Ugandan Giant has a better chance of becoming President than Kamala Harris.

At least he was a wrestler, even if he has no legs now and everything...

>>12009123
Like he lost the stage to BLM niggers with grace.

>>12009155
I hate the blm niggers too
but they are still citizens of the US and I am a full supporter of free speech
he let something happen that could have easily turned into a level 9000 full fledged chimp out.
he has a level head and knows how to read a situation

>>12008034
You're an idiot if you honestly don't think the Dems have been grooming him ever since their loss in 2016. He has way more appeal than Hillary, and he folds under pressure easily.

>>12009175
Nah, he did stand like a cuck during the thing to be fair.

At least Dolan Drumpf would have tried cutting a promo.

>>12009275
What a naive view. He was strongarmed into compliance by the crooked DNC. He would have been running against Trump were it not for political corruption.

Boomers would never vote for a social-democrat.

>>12009514
What angers me about the entire 2016 election is that the left doesn't acknowledge this after all the leaks and whistleblowers. Donna Brazile flat out stated Clinton was embezzling from the DNC and ran it with an iron grip and this was all ignored.

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>>12008012
Right here. Killary is not gonna fuck around this time

>>12008012
this. the man is so old and senile he doesnt understand his economic ideas are suicidal in general. the man is mathematically retarded and hes a closeted faggot. hes never gonna make it.

>>12009842
trumpo increased budget spending and reduced budget income. Couldn't get any more mathematically retarded budget than this

I’ll support sanders. I don’t agree with everything he does but it’s a compromise I guess. Might save me from the wage cage

>>12009549

Of course they wouldn’t, they don’t want us to be able to afford any of the shit they’ve been hoarding up

>>12008698
Trump's policies and use of bully pulpit are largely rudderless. The only things he actually tries with all his energy are the border wall and tariffs.

>>12008692
Capitalism doesn't equal markets anon, that's a boomer meme. Just as a lack of hard budgets doesn't equal socialism.

>>12010142
>The only things he actually tries with all his energy are the border wall and tariffs
Which he fails at.

>>12007892
why don’t we just meme a cuck into presidency so all shit hits the fan

>>12008940
It's called politics for a reason. He had to endorse her or become completely ostracized among the democrats at large. Of course that was almost 3-4 years ago so times have completely changed. He can burn all his bridges and people will love him more for that but that wasn't possible until Trump won his presidency.

>>12008869
Trying something that is doomed to fail and waste years of time isn't a good play. We already know his vision is a failure because Trump tried the same thing right now. Best bet is to withdraw from the political system entirely and set up tax exempt religious communes.

Better to have Sanders in control during the next recession than Trump. Federal job guarantee, postal banking, student debt jubilee, Goldman Sachs execs gulaged, all practically much in the bag. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump would try something stupid in that scenario like just printing money and renegotiating US debt since he doesn't have the balls to raise taxes on the big capitalists.

At the very least I'll be able to dig back into my meme folders from 2015.

>>12010161
You've just described every president since Nixon, anon.

>>12010151
Debatable. Although, these are also issues he uses the bully pulpit relatively little for. At the very least, he's not trying to organize any kind of grassroots response.

>>12010186
you fail to account for the fact that trumpo is a clown and can't argue for shit. he talks like a 5th grader, no serious person will ever take him seriously, he can't even make a speech in front of the senate without someone eventually starting laughing. The only people engaged with what he says are literal twitter and lebbit shitposters

>>12010209
>The only people engaged with what he says are literal twitter and lebbit shitposters
So why did he win the midwest? Just because you can't see past his delivery to the substance doesn't mean others can't. Bernie is also boring as shit: "49.8% of the top 3.1% owns 96.2% of the wealth muh walmart" isn't going to get people excited other than plebbitors who are worthless.

>>12007892
RIP Bernie. He will be found "mysteriously dead" before the end of 2019

>>12010271
It was Trump vs. Literal Demon Spawn in the eyes of many Americans.

>>12010271
Bernie would probably play much better than Trump in many of the Union Households and Obama-Trump voters in midwest for 2020.

ITT people supporting bernie sanders: this just proves this disgusting site is just reddit/normie central, full of retards and commie supporters. It’s over, no way I’m sharing this site with parasites.

>>12010335
That's right anon, the least normie thing you can do is....support the current president of the united states of america!

>>12010335
>he still supports Trump
It's not 2016 anymore you deluded faggot

>>12007892
He literally never had a job until he was 40.I think that's why I hate him so much. He just pontificates and never had to work hard.

>>12010386
Give me a quick rundown on why communism isn't cancer. The only things I ever hear about it is that it's the end of civilization as we know it (and other tired arguments I'm sure you know).

so whatever happened to said investigation after the Sanders bankrupted Burlington College out of existence?

>>12010335
Supporting Trump was a way to get libtards triggered. Now it's repubtards turn since they have become the common narrative to support.

>>12008128
Joe Biden is going to be the Dem's pick. He had to step down last time because it was "HER TURN" but that's already over. Shitty Joe Biden memes have been shilled on plebbit ever since Trump won; the campaign behind it is preparing a meme war for the next election.

>>12010531
Yeah, tell me about it anon.

Communism, as far as Marx was concerned was born from the economic development of capitalism. Capitalism naturally centralizes production, making it more social, both in terms of the labor needed for production, and the distribution. As the firms gain market power, they also fail to pass on the benefits of the efficiency of their economies of scale to consumers, which is why they need to be brought into social ownership.

At the same time, as new labor saving technology is created due to competition and rising costs of labor because of class struggle, capitalists see their rate of profit drop. This is because it constantly takes larger and larger investments in physical capital and so on to make the same returns. The tendency for the rate of profit to fall produces instability as capitalist investors put more and more of their money into riskier bets to maintain the same level of returns. As this is going on, the response to automation by capitalists is also to just make more unemployed people.

The communist solution is clear, remove profit and private property as a coordinating mechanism for the economy, and reduce the work week so you can have full employment while automation occurs. People work less hours for a better standard of living.

The communist countries of the 20th century all emerged from semi-feudalism, which means they spent all their time trying to catch up to the advanced capitalist countries. It's no surprise it didn't quite work that way.

My interpretation of Marx is mostly based on an accelerationist reading of Capital, and besides Capital itself, I'd highly recommend checking out some of Althusser's work, especially Ideology and State ideological apparatuses, and the philosophy of the encounter.

>>12010552
They dropped it last I heard. It had been a GOP oppo research guy that was pushing for it in the first place, so I'm not surprised.

>>12010726
>remove private property
Go fuck yourself, what's mine is mine.

>>12010744
What's yours is personal property, that's not what I'm talking about. All I'm saying is that companies that in all practicality produce to meet society's needs should actually be run to do so, instead of being required by law to get as much value out of us as possible.

>>12010744

True but what happens when you die?

TRANSHUMANISM OR GTFO BLYAT

>>12007892
I wonder how fucked up he’d look shirtless

>>12010802
Lol

>socialism

>>12010787
Not everyone agrees on the lines between those two.
I'm sure you could twist those lines between those until I can't own my own home or small business. And murder or imprison me when I disagree with the party's definition.

Good and cool.

>>12010861
They've already been twisted in the opposite direction for years. A single man can own an idea, a word, an image, a likeness, as well as an economic enterprise larger than many countries. Those who disagree with this definition, consumers who pirate software or small businesses that produce knock-offs, workers who occupy factories, are all already imprisoned or financially ruined for disagreeing with the capitalist's definition.

Certainly, it's not an easy thing to get right, but we can be doing better. And I highly doubt there will be some big bad marxist leninst party in the US to purge anyone for wrongthink. We should tackle the problems we face today, first and foremost, anon.

>>12010907
Of course, the concept of private ownership can be extended and abused to create absurd protections, but I'd greatly prefer erring in that direction in most cases over removing private ownership.
>economic enterprise larger than many countries
This is a good point and where it gets tricky. At some point, even the line between powerful corporation and states gets blurry. You need to protect the individuals's rights from abuses of power regardless of the source. Nobody should get to dump toxic waste in a river just because it runs through their property.
>highly doubt there will be some "big bad" party
No need to be condescending about that. That's what they always say until it happens. I agree it's unlikely anytime soon though.

>>12009999
As a fascist I'm tempted to lash out but god damn those digits, desu.

>>12010391
We just got another right wing strongman elected in Brazil. Time to keep riding this wave until we have 10,000 ethno-states across the globe.

>>12011044
This was the most civil discussion of opposing viewpoints that I have ever seen on the internet and it happened on fucking 4chan.

>>12008412
God this
>Because you'd be in a retirement home

>>12008471
high res

>>12011159
yep, its making me cringe
>>12010907
kys commie

>>12009999
mega checked sir

>>12011306
i want to know the origins of this wojak badly

>>12008862
He's hoping he'll get enough support as a possible independent that the Dems will change the rules back for him. If not, it's a guaranteed reelection for Trump as Bernie is sure to at least get 5 points.

Bernie has no honor whatsoever supports corrupt politicians, votes for war, supports bullshit muh Russia conspiracy theorist nonsense but I guess that's what you get when you run a zionist kike as the flag bearer of your socialist movement

>>12012289
I made the edit from pic related. Not sure the origins of this tho

The hilarious thing is that beanie has a better chance, but the whore of babylon would never allow it

It would be awesome if Hillary runs too and the exact same shit happens in exactly the same order.

>>12010591
Mien nigger!
Lol, kids these days...

I liked Bernie a lot, volunteered for him and everything, but the moment he folded and started campaigning for Crooked Hillary he lost me. Even if he did run I wouldn't trust him. He turned a blind eye to the DNC fucking him over and so I know if he actually got elected he would just be a stooge. He says the right things, but when it came to standing up for his supporters he told them to shut up and vote for Clinton.

>>12007892
Bern secured

this guy is a faggot and a fraud. be sure to donate so he can buy another vacation home

>>12009842
so trump?

>>12010188
Nice, I fucking LOVE free stuff! In fact, everything should be free for everyone

>>12008698
>It turns out the people are completely ineffective at influencing the government
unless they happen to be a member of the elite class

>>12008178
you are a retard