/biz/ - Business & Finance

WE INVERTED NOW

Does this mean I sell my Bank of America and Citigroup?

THREADLY REMINDER THAT DIVIDENDS ARE YOUR FREN

AND COMMUNISM IS RETARDED

>>11995256
NONONONO I JUST TOOK OUT ANOTHER MORTGAGE

>>11995270
>>11995256
Was it avoidable /biz/? Hardmode: can say not to elect Trump

THE BEARS ARE BACK IN TOWN
THE BEARS ARE BACK IN TOWN
*GUITAR*
THE BEARS ARE BACK IN TAAAHHWWN
THE BEARS ARE BACK IN TOWN

Friendly reminder here to

SELL

ABSOLUTELY

EVERYTHING

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/treasury-yield-curve-just-inverted-sounding-alarm-recession-194921816.html

This the golden bull run
SPY 330 -400 minimum

>>11995295
CAN'T

>>11995256

Reminder to anyone who's considering ADVERTISING on 4CHANNEL.ORG -- "/smg/" means SHOOT MUSLIMS & GOOKS !

>>11995295
if we elected hillary, maybe we would've been at the bottom of the economic black hole by now.
This correction might be bumpy but as long as you're not a retard who buys real estate you're fine.

>>11995295
>elect Trump
>curtain falls faster
>elect Hillary
>economy keeps getting pumped until exit scam

SHORT EVERYTHING

>>11995256
>Bond yields are inverted
What exactly does this mean? I tried googling it but I didn't get a clear answer.

i swear some of you just cant be saved..sheesh

https://www.ftportfolios.com/Common/ContentFileLoader.aspx?ContentGUID=4ecfa978-d0bb-4924-92c8-628ff9bfe12d

>The average Bull Market period lasted 9.1 years with an average cumulative total return of 480%.

>>11995346
thing that hasn't happened since right before the 2007-2008 crash, just happened again.
is an indicator is all.

>>11995348
Bottom shorters grasping at straws
Theyll be gone by Q2

>>11995366
>bottom
>best the market has been in 10 years
uh oh

I CAN BREAK THESE CUFFS

Do I sell BAC and C or not, come on man.

reminder to buy defensive sectors like health care (biotech is part of health care), utilities, and consumer staples

also, the bond curve that inverted is the 3 year/5 year curve
the 2 year/10 year curve is the one that matters

>>11995363
They literally say that every time something happens that happened right before the recession.

How fucked am I if I hold onto everything

>>11995376
No.

>>11995363
I got that but what does it mean? That you get the same return on a 3 year bond as a 5 year bond? Should the 5 year bond be higher?

>>11995382
>buying video game stocks

>>11995379
Or literally defense sector stocks, $LMT

>>11995382
just hold onto your shit ya dingus. be a long term investor.

Micron Technologies, lots of assets, low debt, battered down from trade talks but semiconductors will always be needed until something revolutionary comes along, good grow.

Current buy $40
Estimated fair value $248

What am I missing here? This seems like a great value play and I'm thinking about going in on it hard.

>>11995376
sell and buy JPM instead

>>11995373
https://youtu.be/JQTXawaAKNA?t=7

>>11995382
>DIS
If Hasbro's success in 2008 was any indication, DIS might be okay this time around now that they have Star Wars and Marvel. When times get really tough, people will flock to their favorite fiction for comfort.

>>11995380
the signs of the recession were visible as soon as 2006.
the storm isn't here. Yet. Maybe the beginning of 2019 will be good. But I have zero doubt we will have a correction by 2020.
>>11995382
Activision is in the shitter. But at least you don't have EA. Nintendo might do good cause of le smash bros.
Honestly I wouldn't touch the video game market with a 10 foot pole. Long overdue for a massive crash. Battlefield V is already selling for 30$, Fallout 76 is on discount everywhere. Nobody is buying this shit anymore and a few companies might get hit hard.

invest in tobacco, weed, and AMD/NVIDIA/INTEL if you want to be top meme.

>>11995302
>The yield curve inverted between the 2- and 10-year yield before the recessions of 1981, 1991, 2000 and 2008. It has preceded all nine U.S. recessions since 1955, with a lag time ranging from six months to two years.

I know it's only the 2y and the 5y that are inverted so far, but the 10y isn't so far away. It's huge, and really worrisome when 5y is considered safer than 2y.

i think it's safe to say things will still be okay for the next 12 months, but absolutely fucked after that. But could the FED intervene and wipe out that problem?

>>11995379
is weed a health care stock?

>>11995376
On the one hand, banks top out at a 10/30 inversion which hasnt happened... This is one of the few times major banks can be extremely profitable, so I wouldnt sell
Most large specs are torn on banks right now though, its highly debatable. XLF hasnt really double topped either

>>11995412
>just hold onto your shit ya dingus. be a long term investor.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAAHHAHAHA

Motherfucker, if every indicator lit up saying "RECESSION IMMINENT," why the fuck would you stay in? You either get to avoid a 50% loss, or you miss out on 10% of gains before buying back in and resuming long-term growth. Are you retarded boy?

>>11995382
>VTGN and WTR

based

>DIS
entertainment, not an ideal sector to hold onto during periods of economic downturn

>ATVI
tech, not an ideal sector to hold onto during periods of economic downturn

>NTDOY
entertainment, not an ideal sector to hold onto during periods of economic downturn

>WTR
utility, a good sector to hold onto during periods of economic downturn

>IMGN
health care, a good sector to hold onto during periods of economic downturn

>VTGN
health care, a good sector to hold onto during periods of economic downturn

>OGEN
health care, a good sector to hold onto during periods of economic downturn

>>11995429
>Star Wars

not too sure about that one. Disney RAPED star wars. For that reason I will never be a shareholder

>>11995433
The signs of a recession were there for much longer than 2006. Everyone knew something was wrong with the housing market but just didn't know when it would crash.

>>11995357
>inflation devalued your currency by 490% in the mean time
w-we are winning r-right frens?

>>11995443
this is the kind of post i'd expect from a 5 figure account pleb that thinks he understands how things work.

>>11995440
tobacco is considered a consumer staple, and considering weed is basically just a more modern version of tobacco, I'd say it's a consumer staple as well

>>11995456
reminds me of something but i can't quite put my finger on it.
maybe it's CANADA, AUSTRAILIA, AND THE GHOST TOWNS IN CHINA OH GOD WHY DOES NOBODY SEE IT

Why can't things just be normal?

>>11995415

Lmao even 4chinz isn't safe from the MU meme

Pls buy BUD
People will need lots of cold ones where this market is headed

Buy fb don't listen to the bashing media

>>11995382
Always believe in NTDOY

>>11995469
Canada is different as the Chinese are buying the housing market over there and jacking up the prices. I don't know much about Australia.

>>11995491
>fb

I can proudly say I have never and will never go anywhere near that stock. In fact I will permanently short it. FUck kikebook

>>11995487
Sorry I only drink MillerCoors and Pabst products, who actually likes Bud?

>>11995487
ikr, im only up 800$ today.
f-f-fricking resseshun

>>11995518
Based and unlocked.

>>11995518
Enjoy missing out the next trillion dollar company. Same goes for tesla.

WhatsApp and Instagram. And Facebook is huuuuge in Asia

>>11995444

...i guess i trust the duck. I just thought ATVI would be good once they spit out the mobile game and show profit

>>11995517
it's the same thing from what I hear.

>>11995538
>Facebook is huuuuge in Asia

>>11995524
you telling me you dont like any of these cold, delicious, perfectly brewed brews? Nothing beats the ice cold refreshing taste of America's favorite beer

>>11995538
That's not even remotely true. Have you heard of Weibo or NetEase at all?

Damn Bearlosers on full patrol today arent they XD fucking kek

>>11995466
K, looking forward to your loss porn snapshots

>>11995473
Can you explain? I'm really trying to learn here.

>>11995542
They will in the long term. Mobile gaming for all their IP's will be great and the D4 rumors give every indication of actually being on the right track. Nothing is certain but now is a good time to get in ATVI with the expectation of holding for a few years. Just my opinion.

>>11995558
Best american beer

>>11995443
this is only really applicable if they had literally just entered the market.

>>11995542
That mobile game isn't going to go so well. Blizzard has cultivated a hardcore PC audience and anything outside of PC will be disdained. Is Diablo even popular in China at this point anymore?

>>11995538
>And Facebook is huuuuge in Asia
why are you lying this blatantly? It's even vpnlocked in china

Get your inverse indexes now boiz

>>11995403
yeah, that's why they're calling it inverted.

>>11995538
the only decent company you mentioned is TSLA, everything else is memes

>>11995604
pretty sure he's not lying considering asia is where their biggest growth is coming from

>>11995403
>>11995363
the 2.year/10 year curve is the one that matters, not the 3 year/5 year curve

>>11995616
It probably means that one isn't far off. We'll probably see it this month maybe.

>>11995614
It's not huge in China and that's what really matters rn

>>11995542
It's not necessarily that ATVI is bad, it's that tech performs poorly during corrections/recessions
I personally don't think that mobile game will turn out too well, but I only buy stocks in defensive sectors (health care, utilities, consumer staples) specifically because I want to want to find a middle ground between bear and bull

>>11995629
>this month
mid-late 2019, if at all

>>11995538
nah kike book is going to be like my space in 3 years. it's a fad and everybody is going to leave it forever.

>>11995659
You're an idiot if you think it's just going to up and die in the next few years. Facebook holds enough diversity with Oculus, WhatsApp and Instagram that it can survive Facebook losing users.

>people optimistic about the economy get their own animal
>people pessimistic about the economy get their own animal

where's the animal for people who want to perform decently in the long term regardless of how the economy is doing

FAANG GAANG RISE UP

Ding ding ding! How did everyone do today? I’m up .46%, pretty good since it seems like I can’t trade during the day anymore. Too busy scrubbing dead fishies at work!

>>11995700
Up 1.37%.

+1.56%

>>11995700
Down 4.85% but I'm not too upset about that rn

>>11995700
1.01%
comfy

>>11995715
I kind of wish I had had some more money freed up to make a LABU swing trade
Oh, well

>>11995680
do oculus, whatsapp and instagram even make money?

>>11995700
+7%
Finally ended the swing trade
Deleveraged everything is back to normal food stocks and QQQ

>>11995700
+$950
we rich bitch

>>11995700
$6k, now to make a reckless bet on tonight's game

>>11995700
5.47% Only 30$ off breaking even.

>>11995770
Take Tampa over the Devils, you'll make a pile of cash this winter just betting against the Devils every game.

>>11995700
Up 7 bucks, plus another 6 bucks in dividends. Feels good man.

>>11995700
Up %1.8

Sweating these 12/21 calls, thought we’d get a proper bull run today. Guess not.

>>11995572
Don't treat MU as a company. Treat it and it's products like a commodity by tracking the demand of it's chips. Its profitability is directly correlated to the demand and it's supply (which is tightly controlled). Research all of the factors that determine its demand and it's supply and you'll see why MU gets bashed around so much.

>>11995857
real Bullruns come ATH

>>11995845
are you going to share your gains with others who didn't make gains like a good commie or are you going to be a greedy capitalist and keep what you work for?

How fucked am I?

>>11995932
do you work at OGE or something

>>11995700
Up 10% and 500% over the past week

still down like 80% this year though

>>11995928
Communists are not for the redistribution of capital, but it's abolition, anon.

And regardless, in terms of ethics, I'm an egoist. Marxism is just an analytical framework for me.

>>11995966
you should try reading a book written after the invention of electricity

>>11995955
It's inheritance.
Which I blew most of.

>>11995971

>>11995978

Looks like double top for S&P
unless more news breaks out for it to jump
this is a sign of a bubble

>>11995971
>invention of electricity
>Marx writing in late 1800s
lmao.

Regardless, if you're looking for modern book recs maybe check out Debt: The first 500 years, The Communist Horizon, From Bakunin to Lacan, Capitalist Realism or the Philosophy of the Encounter. All good stuff.

>>11995434
You think the economy will go into recession long enough before the 2020 election that I should short Trump?

>>11995864
Interesting because I figure that with emerging markets, the push to 5G, the large mobile market in Asia especially since China imports a lot of chips (even if they are looking at building their own facilities it'll take a while) it points to good signals. I'll have to look further into it, thanks though.

>>11995975
Anyways am I gonna lose it all if I just keep everything where it is?

oil having an up day finally +4 still not really halted down fall, nat gas down 6% after the spike.

usdjpy at resistance again. spy as i said last week you can start buying in theory if you long term game, short term volatility ahead now!

>>11996021
Try reading Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith. After that you'll burn your communist shit, stop being a beta cuck and become a capitalist chad

>>11996021
I just don't see something that goes against the natural order working out so well.
Fibonacci sequences, the growth pattern of life, can be seen in markets. Even in cryptocurrency, actually you see it the most raw and powerful there. I don't try and fight something out of my control.

Artificially controlling this, well I don't see it working out well.
Researching market patterns gave me some interesting insight into the workings of the universe. I genuinely believe Marxism stands against that. I'd rather not throw away all this progress for an ideology that when put in to effects, usually gets people like me (glasses wearing academics) murdered first. Even Marx knew communism would have to be a parasite on capitalism to ever function. I don't see a society where a few people on top get to decide everything for the "people", who are subdued by handouts to stay in line with the elite, ever being sustainable. And it certainly can't ever produce the achievements western capitalism has. The only reason you can ever dream of this utopia is because of the abundance of wealth capitalism has granted you. Be grateful.

Honestly I believe fascism would be a better vehicle to reach a "communistic utopia", ironically. Hitler was very big into free energy.

>>11995681
You have to rotate capital. Look at TLT and IEF during 09. Yeah it was due to lowered interest rates, so there is no long term buy and hold solution without feeling some pain. Dollar Cost Average to lower risk over time. Even if we see the golden bear of a 50% correction in equities, you can be buying the whole time and still come out strong when things pick up again.
>nb4 no jobs

>>11996073
Only if you don’t keep buying more.

>>11995700
Up $100+ since Friday, so good day for me

>>11995700
Up 4%. Would be up more If ATVI didn't shit itself.

>>11996021
Why the fuck would anyone take reading advice from someone who advocates economics that consistently leads to mass starvation?

>>11995680
>Facebook holds enough diversity
topkek, they have high amount of users, and nothing else
as soon as the growth stops, or goes negative, they are done

>>11995681
Bears make money
Bulls make money
Sheep/Pigs get slaughtered (ive heard it with either animal depending on the source)

>>11996021
Based K-Punk recommender

>>11996187
if everyone had robot then we could make infinite money and everyone gets an iphone!
please do not think critically about this idea any further

Nice to see /biz/ is still up to it's old baboonery.
This post was made by the Mandrill gang.

>>11995958
Options contracts is a helluva drug

Any reason why AMD took off so hard today compared to the rest of the market?

>>11996235
It’s a rush like nothing else

>>11995309
raced and bedpilled

>>11996111
cool trips, however, corporations do not pass on the efficiency from free trade to the people. It increases corporate profitablilty, but that is largely passed onto shareholders. How can such inequality be justified. The US is becoming third world tier. I don't care if people can now afford an xbox and iphone on welfare, they are embarrassments of humans and must be forced to be productive members of society either through economic incentives, sterilization, or the barrel of a gun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYJy9uBSpRs

>>11995932
we'll you get around $180 per quarter from your divvies in OGE. You could always take that off drip and invest it in other stocks if you're worried about that stock, or you could just keep reinvesting it.

Also depends on when you bought GE. That stock is something I won't touch until it rights its ship and dividend comes back up to snuff. Not i'd rather risk losing possible gains than risk losing actual money on that stock

>>11995700
what will we ever do without you based chilis boi

my total return went from -7.8% to -2.5%, nice moonshot today.

literally started buyign the top fo the last 6 months but based QLD and SSO purchases at the bottom have already mooned

Nothing will happen. Nothing ever happens.

>>11996352
this woman looks trashy and reminds me too much of my aunt.

>>11996297
anyone can be a shareholder of almost any company. and increasing corporate profitability increases the economy. this isn't a pizza that gets divided and one person who gets more means another gets less. the economy is not a zero sum game

but yes, losers should be shot, castrated or both

>>11995256
Is it time to sell amd or are we only going up from here?

>>11996372
Actually if I'm like a greek shipping company and provide transportation. I could release more shares so everybody else has a smaller slice of the pizza pie, and then they all get less while I magically have more pizza to sell that I created out of thin air.

>>11996360
Can I fuck your aunt?

>>11996111
i've been reading wealth of nations, it's a good book. You might be surprised to know that Marx and Smith's view of capitalism is much closer than Smith and modern neo-classical economists.

>>11996399
go for it

>>11996400
sounds just as sustainable as printing money.

>>11996352
>>11996399

She looks like a backpage prostitute.

>>11996334
Since I'm a total Stock Market noob, how do the dividends pay me? Do they just show up in my TDA account as available cash?

>>11996150
That markets are an expression of naturally occurring patterns is a tautology. All things express these patterns in one way or another because they are naturally occurring.

Regardless, markets were originally born from centrally controlled exchange ratios posted by temple complexes in ancient Mesopotamia. They're not natural in the way a fucking tree is natural. Your suggestion that communism is a parasite on capitalism is silly in many respects because it implies capitalism is still a parasite on feudalism because it was born from the surplus and accumulation created by feudalism. That's the extent communism relies on capitalism, for Marx.

As for centralism, the reason Marx saw communism as a centralized economy was because he believed that's where capitalism was headed, and that the centralization of capitalism is what communism would be created from. Communism, as a mode of production born from the development of capitalism,, is only centralized to the exact extent markets centralize things.

>Honestly I believe fascism would be a better vehicle to reach a "communistic utopia", ironically. Hitler was very big into free energy.
Anon, it brings me no joy to say this, but this is the most brainlet thing I've heard all day.

>>11995700
Chili's used to be my favorite restaurant when I was a kid.

>>11996187
I do not advocate for soviet style planning systems, which worked by simultaneously setting all prices and production quotas in advance and then kind of hoping it worked out that way.

ATVI?

>>11996523
I'm so sorry anon

>>11995681
Bulls make money
Bears make money
Pigs get slaughtered
Pussies get pounded <- you are here

>>11996515
they pay into the brokerage account you bought the shares in, unless you have DRIP on, in which case they automatically buy more of the share they are coming from

>>11996591
hes a long term time horizon bull, not a pussy

>>11995363
https://stockcharts.com/freecharts/yieldcurve.php

Basically when the yield curve goes flat is indicates the market expects a recession. Can't quite remember the reasons behind it though

>>11995309
BASTE

Was this an institutional fat finger?

>>11996591
>go all in on 3x leveraged ETFs and hold for a maximum of 1 hour or you're a pussy

>>11996614
This
A large cap of my portfolio is small-cap biotech stocks that I've been holding for months, I don't understand how anyone could call me a pussy
I buy stocks that I think will do well in the long term because they have good fundamentals (science, in the case of my biotech stocks)
Once I have more money, I'll be allocating more of my money to less volatile dividend stocks like utilities and consumer staples

>>11995616
3 month and 10 year curve is the best predictor of a recession.

>>11996614
>regardless of how the economy is doing

So he wants modest, long-term bull outcomes during a bear market? Well I want a rocketship.

The animal you're looking for is a unicorn then

>>11995373
We will ether die as one or rise as one brother stand strong

>>11996665
1/2

>>11996678
>>11996665
2/2

>implying /biz/ could handle the kind of volatility I've been holding through

>>11996687
3/2

that first big spike was all GALT

>>11996678
LABU is there in case I ever have some money freed up and want to make a swing trade on it

>>11996670
bear markets arent even 2 years long dumbass

if hes investing for 20+ years nobody fucking cares if we tank from here, if you bought the top of the dotcom bubble your still up heaps

your failure and capitulation constantly is what makes me money, thank you

Should I be closing my retirement index positions now? Yield curve inverted so a recession is 100% guaranteed now in the next 1-18 months. When should I be liquidating my retirement index funds? After another 5-10% dip or right away? I don't see anymore big gains in next few months. Also, once I go all cash, when do I buy back into the index? -20%? -40%? -60%?

In the spirit of imminent doom, judge how prepared my long-term holdings are for the end:

>$DIS
>$AMZN
>$V
>$MA
>$VHT

Will shit some funds into WYDE and SPXS once everything finally enters freefall.

>>11996670
>So he wants modest, long-term bull outcomes during a bear market

I want long-term, modest bull outcomes overall, not specifically during a bear market
I want to be flat when others are down and still up, but at a slower rate when others are up
Utilities, consumer staples, and health care are a good way of doing that

>>11996762
I don't have much money in my portfolio right now, so I'm mostly in highly volatile small-cap biotech stocks to accumulate capital at the moment
I'm planning on being more allocated more in large-cap stocks with a healthy diversification in utilities and consumer staples in addition to healthcare in the future, and WTR is the first glimpse of that future portfolio taking shape
Still, my small-cap biotech stocks will perform the same in the long term regardless of overall market conditions, because the diseases they're trying to treat won't go away during a bear market

Futures are red. Yield curve inverted. This is looking like the last big rally and the beginning of the end. What is everyone going to do?

>>11995256
IBM or MSFT

>>11996867
>the beginning of the end
at worst, it's the beginning of a bear market that will last a few years at most

>What is everyone going to do?
hold

Mmmmmmmkay. Well. So Aphria is under short attack. -27% for the day. Usual short attack research article spurred it, usual half truths, falsehoods + some real truths mixed in. I don't like Aphria and have no position in them, however, this short attack caused panic selling all over the sector on completely unrelated tickers today. My advice is to look at the charts and buy/hold anything that held support today. These are likely to bounce back fast tomorrow. Sell anything that convincingly broke support and do not knife catch here. Do not buy Aphria unless you know how to day trade fairly well.

I'm most pissed off about TerrAscend. It broke out hard this morning, tripped single stock circuit breaker due to the speed of the ascent, promptly pissed away all of those gains to close a piddly +2%. Bulls should make another try tomorrow. Inverted hammer my ass. Fucking shit show. I hate the dude weed so much sometimes.

>>11996867
>>11996892
even during the actual Great Depression, the market only took 4 years to hit its bottom

>>11996898
buy stocks in another sector, then
don't put all your eggs in one basket

>>11996905
>b-b-but what if you bought at the top during 1928 lole

cost average down

>>11996892
Why hold? If you sell and buy back in at -50% you make a 200% gain. This is why passive investing is a joke to me. It only works when the market is going up. You are expected to do nothing and lose money the other times when its down. Sound stupid.

>>11996938
>Why hold? If you sell and buy back in at -50% you make a 200% gain

COST
AVERAGE
DOWN

my guy

https://www.businessinsider.com/dollar-cost-averaging-into-a-stock-crash-2014-9

>>11996905
>buy stocks in another sector,

No.

>>11996518
>Regardless, markets were originally born from centrally controlled exchange ratios posted by temple complexes in ancient Mesopotamia. They're not natural in the way a fucking tree is natural
what is the invisible hand then? under certain conditions, ie when the natural rights of individuals is protected, the invisible hand of the free market is observed. this ocurred in the black market of ancient mesopotamia and it continues until today

>>11996956
>>11996938
to be fair, I did forget to mention "cost average down" in my original comment

>>11996905
hold and cost average down*

>>11995346
Normally, a 5-year bond should pay out more than a 3-year bond, because you lose the liquidity of your principal for another two years, and (typically less importantly for Treasury bonds), you have two more years for the other side to default before you get your money back.

Thus the graph with a y-axis of (5-year return minus 3-year return) should be positive, and normally is.

It "inverted" because the yield for a 5-year bond dropped below the yield for a 3-year bond, so the graph shows a negative value for (5-year return minus 3-year return).

>>11996956
This only works if you're young with a small portfolio and high income. You can't cost average down a massive portfolio. If I get a huge inheritance that is disproportionate to my salary then DCA is pointless.

Reminder to start selling FAANG and start buying value stocks for the coming recession

>WM
>JNJ
>WMT
>MO
>BUD
>CGC
>GLD
>SLV

Guys I basically just entered the market with 100K 3 months ago.

I am:

10% Target Date Retirement Fund in Roth IRA
20% Healthcare ETF
20% MegaCap Growth ETF
20% Consumer Discretionary ETF
30% Alibaba


What should I do. Please give me actual advice. I am so afraid. It is my life savings.

>>11996992
so your mad you got gifted a lot of money you never earned?

>>11997003
Terrible time to enter. Yield curve just inverted. Recession is around the corner.

>>11996992
That's true
It works for me, though (I'm the same guy, just on a different device)

>20 years old
>have only put $1000 into my portfolio

I'm not quite high income yet, but hopefully that'll work itself out after I get done with college

>>11997012
I realize that now. What should I do?

>>11997012
At least you'll survive the recession since your diet already consists of Elmers glue and crayons fucking retard.

>>11997011
I didn't get gifted anything just saying that DCA does not work for every single individual. If you are older or young with inheritance then you're going to be throwing pebbles at a boulder. It will be pointless.

>>11996245
It was oversold and the detente of the trade war with China has potential to open up HUGE markets. They're still developing, much more rapidly than any western nation still is, so the upside is enormous. Couple that with AMD winning the tech war, and you get a 10+% green candle.

>>11997003
>>11996956
Either cost average down the whole time or just go into cash for a while and then buy back in somewhere near the bottom (you won't be able to know exactly when the bottom is, so aim for after the market has started to recover a bit)

>>11997012
If you're worried about a recession, then just sell and wait it out if you aren't willing to cost average down

>>11997012
The yield curve inverted in 2006 and the market still got another 20% of gains

>>11996938
So do I cash out tomorrow and sit in cash for a half of a year?

>>11997049
What happened after that? ;)

>>11997025
Also, the pink guy is just trying to scare you

>>11997045
Thank you for that Alibaba may be spared from a US recession as it is in China and 90% of its sale is in China. It is not as if it depends solely on the US.

>>11997057
I'm saying though that there's still gas in the tank

we're not going to straight crash or go bear market right away

>>11997061
>>11997066

That question is for you as well.

>>11997055
You cost average down

>>11997066
Read the article I posted in >>11996956 and do some more research about cost averaging down
If you have enough money coming in for it to make a noticeable difference (still make sure you have enough saved for living expenses/emergencies, obviously) then it's the best option

>>11997025
Its ganna go up before it goes down. Just sell in 6 months

>>11997049
dont expect bottom shorters to know how the SPX actually works

>>11997012
Not only did the yield curve not fully invert, but even once the yields do finally flip, the market will likely stay bullish for several months thereafter. All you need to do is stay in the market and set a stoploss, or just buy some calls on short ETFs if you don't want to sell. Fucking idiots.

>>11997124
well shucks look at all those god damn recessions

>>11997097
I have about 2K coming in per month to contribute to savings. I am sitting on an extra 2k right now waiting for the big show.

>go all in silver bullion
>when the market crashes in 6 months and silver spikes, sell it
>buy real estate and stocks on the cheap

Why is no one else doing this?

how did I do for starting in august?

>>11997055
no

as >>11997097 said, you cost average down. unless you're investing in straight memes, the companies are going to be around and profitable long after the recession comes and goes (and another comes and goes).

You can either continue to invest the same amount or you can save cash and invest less at the time you think a recession is coming and wait until indicators prove one way or another.

say for example you have $50K to invest today. I wouldn't advise you invest all of it today. but rather spread the investments over time to cost average the undervalued companies in your portfolio (or new positions in companies) and save in case a bear market does hit and you can get high quality companies that are undervalued based on the overall market being down

>>11997163
>muh commodities

If you're so confident in a crash, just buy TVIX/SPXS puts. That'll do you a hell of lot more good than meme metals.

>>11997097
>>11997061

Started reading your article you linked but wanted to ask this before you go away ... it may be addressed ina rticle if so sorry.

Should I just sit in Cash until the bottom is reached? Do I need to buy regularly?

>>11997163
Why don't you just short the market when everything crashes

>>11997148
>$24K to invest every year
anon, you just might make it.

>>11997235
You would buy on the way down reducing ur avg cost as it goes down

>>11995700
6.66%

what did Satan mean by this?

>>11997242
its a lot easier (and less risky) than calling the exact top and trying to short.
there's other ways of betting against the market.

>>11997245
>tfw you didn't include my current principle of 100K.


Sadly I am fucking 30 already so I fucked up.

But I do only make 34K a year so I am saving shitloads living far far far below my means.

>>11997242
>>11997224
Nah fuck leverage trading. Even if the overall trend is down you can still get JUSTed by short snipers

>>11997286
you didn't fuck up anon, you already have more money than most 30 year olds have and you're saving more than most people with 100K jobs (due to lifestyle inflation). you're gonna make it

>>11997310
Well I appreciate that. I feel like I did fuck up but I know things could be much worse. I just want to make enough to live comfortably on a nice small farm.

Well im pretty much at the end of my first month trading, so far swing trading has made me most of my profits, hopefully i can keep up the pace

>>11997307
>can
You will never make it with such an attitude.

>>11996956
So Cost Averaging Down is just continuing to buy while it's dipping?
What about the fact that we're just two recessions away from no longer being the biggest economy in the world, and it never comes back up?

>>11997396
SOURCEEEEEE

>>11996963
That's not what the invisible hand is and you shouldn't assign quasi-divine status to it. the invisible hand refereed to how markets allowed people to meet the needs of society at large by following their own self interest. That is, instead of working to sustain themselves, they would work to feed others, and do not do so out of good will but by working in their narrow self interest. This division of labor allows for greater productivity over all, meaning everyone in society benefits. The division of labor, today, however, has very little to do with anyone's natural rights, thus we have massive economies of scale and wage slavery, where corporations do all the producing and the selling.

But what you're probably thinking of is how supply and demand effect prices so that it encourages production when there is a shortage and discourages production when there is excess. Both Smith and Marx believed that production would naturally move to meet demand over time, with the equilibrium rates appearing in reality through the long term average, as excesses canceled each other out. The result was that exchange value was determined by the costs of production, and ultimately reduced to the amount of labor time involved in the production of a commodity.

In terms of socialism, Lange pointed out that a good socialist system would coordinate prices in the same way as a capitalist system would. On the macro level, sellers put out a price, gauge the level of demand for that price, and adjust it accordingly with the goal of clear the market, of selling (ideally) everything they'd produced for that moment. If the price is below what it took to produce the good, then they should produce less of it.

>>11997396
citation needed

>>11997396
so hold some foreign stocks too. i own both VOO and VXUS

>>11997396
then the value of your dollar is irrelevant and you have bigger problems to worry about.

>>11997396
china's still our main bitch. we're still huge and we still have a big dick military.
or we go start a war and make free military industrial complex bucks.
just like every recession.

>>11996938
>Why hold? If you sell and buy back in at -50% you make a 200% gain. This is why passive investing is a joke to me. It only works when the market is going up. You are expected to do nothing and lose money the other times when its down. Sound stupid.

You are correct. Then again, you can probably find other ways to make more profit than on the stock market off of your clearvoyancy. Gambling sounds like a massive profit opportunity if you can predict the future!

Look, timing the market is the optimal strategy, but also really really hard. "If you sell and buy back in at -50% you make a 200% gain" sounds easy and obvious, but when exactly is the point to sell? What if the market goes up for another 5 years after you've sold off your whole portfolio? Or what if the market goes down another 50% after you've bought in at -50%?

Humans are prone to irrational and financially unsound decisions. In fact, irrationality is the biggest risk factor in investing. Passive investing and cost averaging try to mitigate this risk.

What you want to do is beat the market. Around 2% of professional (!) funds managers beat the market long-term. If you are positive you're among the gifted (or more probably: lucky) elite - by all means, sell and buy back. But if you suspect that maybe you might get the timing wrong like almost everyone else constantly does - why risk it?

>short 15.00, we're headed for 2.50 boys
aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh
>m-m-maybe 150.00 is the ceiling?
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh

>>11997473
>implying the elite aren't just doing tons of insider trading

Also this, the market doesn't make any sense, it's basically poker. Yeah, you might be able to read some "tells" and make an educated guess, but you're still just guessing.

>>11997351
Nice, any particular sectors you where swing trading in?

I bought XHE today. Medical Equipment ETF free of commissions on TDA. Also used my remaining funds for this month to buy more SPYD. Compounding DRIP makes me wet

>>11997366
That's a rare Tay, fucking based anon

>>11997473
Correct me if I’m wrong, but these sort of situations were the reason options were created in the first place? So you could mitigate losses in a downturn and not just gamble with 100x payouts.

>>11997473
Shhh, let him learn it the hard way.

>>11997473
good post. i can remember coming to this realization as well. it usually takes a lot of observation and some real losses to deflate egos and educate market participants.

>>11997516
Nope just went to big movers and looked at biggest drops and scanned through those to find which ones i felt would make the comebacks

Basically just random guessing lol

>>11997429
if im a brainlet then why am I up more than you on the stock market :^)
>That's not what the invisible hand is and you shouldn't assign quasi-divine status to it. the invisible hand refereed to how markets allowed people to meet the needs of society at large by following their own self interest
nature isn't "quasi-devine" I have no idea what kind of person you think I am, but I don't believe in any divine beings. all life serves their own self interests in a way. or did Marx disprove biology?
Man is a living being, created by nature, the market is extension of nature.
Seems like as long as we are living, breathing men we will never escape the grasps of evil capitalism.

Look for the Fibonacci patterns yourself. You'll find em. If you don't realize the significance of something like consistently appearing Fibonacci numbers in the fucking cryptocurrency market, you shouldn't be throwing the word brainlet around. It's the natural growth and decay pattern for life itself, no, the universe itself. it's found in galaxies.

Not like a commie robot would care about anything as beautiful as that.

shorting vs strangles:

shorting has too much risk for me but if the market is going to tank, isn't a strangle the same as a short without the infinite risk? i know nothing about these options other than their definitions basically

>>11997639
How does shorting have infinite risk?
Are you talking about puts?

>>11996518
>>>Honestly I believe fascism would be a better vehicle to reach a "communistic utopia", ironically. Hitler was very big into free energy.
>Anon, it brings me no joy to say this, but this is the most brainlet thing I've heard all day.
I had a feeling you were from some social media website like reddit since you're using a trip.
Do some more research on Hitler and secret nazi projects. don't worry. You won't get banned. You might found out how we got to the moon!
Also I'm pretty sure he expelled all those oppressive elites ;)

>>11997666
based satan

and well damn, i thought shorting was puts on stocks. i guess i don't know definitions either, but do puts have better payouts than strangles?

>>11997687
a strangle is just buying a put and a call at the same time.

BGFV midteens by year end

>>11997687
I've not heard of a strangle, but >>11997708 has provided what it is.
A short is when you borrow from your brokerage on interest to sell a stock. You have to cover it later on or risk a margin call.

>>11997639
you do a strangle if you think the price is going to go all craziness with big swings in either direction. when it swings high, you sell the call, when it dips low, you sell the put.

>>11997716

>>11997639
>>11997687
Yeah, you're conflating different things. Every option has a short (seller, holder) and a long position (buyer, striker). The short position does indeed face potentially infinite loss. But that's not how you would bet on tanking markets, as the short can only ever profit to the amount of the premium (aka "price" of the option). You would go long on put options if you thought the markets were crashing and your exposure would be the premium at most.

Picture related, very handy guide to options.

>>11997800
What an absolute legend

quick question friends? is interactive brokers the best option for Eurofag? I mean even the 1,68% on idle cash seem pretty great compared to my bank. Degiro seems a bit better but a lot more expensive... i have around 3k so i really dont want to get eaten up by fees.

>>11997604
My stock market strategy is to invest money in low risk low volatility assets until a crash happens, it's not supposed to make massive gains, but retain value.

>nature isn't "quasi-devine" I have no idea what kind of person you think I am, but I don't believe in any divine beings.
Your use of the phrase natural rights was extremely Lockian, which is basically private property creationism as far as I'm concerned. He did believe in the divinity of these things.

>Seems like as long as we are living, breathing men we will never escape the grasps of evil capitalism.
Capitalism is literally 400 years old max, compared to 10,000 years of human civilization.

Regardless, your fixation with fibonacci patterns is the highest level of autism I can imagine. You are a pious atheist, worse than any christian, you're on the level of Neil Degrasse Tyson in terms of people who fetishize these kind of things with the language of divinity. It's the most empty spirituality I can imagine. No, you don't need divine beings, you can just stare at the sun like a hippy high on lsd.

>>11997851
awful lot of projection.
Civilization is much, much older by the way. You don't know shit.

>>11997678
this is just sad

>>11997851
>Capitalism is literally 400 years old max, compared to 10,000 years of human civilization

You are retarded

Started a new temporary wagecuck job
but it starts at market open and closes at market close...
I can't even gamble on stocks midday now i have to either absorb the entire market sentiment by my lunch hour when it's already too late for those morning gains or set shit-tier premarket buys.
life truly is suffering.

>>11997851
>CAPITALISM IS ONLY 400 YEARS OLD
>AMERICA INVENTED FREE MARKETS
holy fuck, the tripfaggots in this general are cancer
im done with this place

>>11997944
i'm probably going to turn down a promotion because i know the increased job responsibilities will cut into trading hours.

>>11997580
Haha sometimes best, only been at investing for a few months and want to start practicing swing trading. Will probably start to get my feet wet middle of this month or early January. Hopefully your gains keep on coming!

>>11997944
That's what cell phones and "smoking" breaks are for.
Are you really trading more than 5 times a day in the same security?

>>11997959
smart

>>11997941
>>11997957
>capitalism is free markets
LMAO

>>11997848
I looked through the recommendations for the frist time today - I advise you do your own research. I looked through the fees and it appears that Interactive Brokers has a monthly fee of $10 (minus what you actually spend in trading fees). So it might be decent for active traders, but horrible for buy-and-hold passive investors. $120 guaranteed loss a year is no joke, especially for a small portfolio like yours would be.

I had considered Degiro in the past. The biggest problem was, that all these Dutch brokers undercut the rest because of an oddity of Dutch tax law. They don't have to do any tax reporting and collecting. So if you plan to keep your portfolio legal, you would have to calculate and report your own taxes each year to your local tax authority. I have not looked into Interactive Brokers at all, but I suspect that a US broker will not be any more helpful when it comes to local EU taxes. Plus it appears that their EU dependency is in the UK - so who knows whether they use their common market license after Brexit kicks in.

Do your own research. There should be plenty of comparison websites available. My central requirement for a broker is no custody fees (i.e. no percentage fees on the value of your portfolio), then automated tax reporting and finally low trading fees. If your investor profile is different than mine, you might value something else more.

>>11997964
No phones allowed... corporate security protocol.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>11997972
Filtered. Thanks for using a tripcode

>>11997800
what happend to this guy?

>>11997944
time to start hodling bitch boy

>>11997974

>>11997974
wtf? what kind of company?

is there any way to try scalping and daytrading stocks without having to go through boomer registration and 25k minimum?

>>11997851
side note because it's clear you're a cross-site shitter and i've gotten you on my hook. I'm not a /pol/tard I just knew you'd go for the "you're so sad" self projection route.
What is your divine being? A book written by a slav? Some dead men? Try doing something for yourself for once.
And thank fuck I'm not feminine enough to need a name and identity attached to everything I do.
Please don't ever associate me with monkey science man. I'm just words on a forum my dude. I'm nobody.

But this behavior doesn't surprise me anymore, clearnet is a shithole. But of course. The free market didn't exist until the 400 years ago (lmfao the fucking brainwashing on this unit). Even I am capable of thinking for myself, but it doesn't really seem like you are if you genuinely take that rhetoric as truth.
>>11997941
no shit it's a tripfag. A communist has to prop himself up above the common man. Hypocrite.
But you ever wondered why anonymous free forums always turn right wing? and left leaning views with e-celebs require censorship and oppression to persist? odd coincidence huh.

I really wish tripfags would stop turning this general into their fucking blog.

is GIS going to fall through the floor tomorrow?

>>11998006
IdaCorp. Ironically, might start holding their stock here since I can't trade. I'm basically their part time bitch boi doing whatever somebody else doesn't feel like doing. But it pays...

>>11998017
Just filter the triptards

>>11998017
ill stop feeding him. at least he stamps a name next to his awful posts so we can laugh at him for eternity.

>>11998013
>What is your divine being?
God. I'm Catholic. It's better to let God be up in his heaven if we want to have a clear understanding of how things work down here.

My trip literally only identifies me as a communist. I simply want people to identify my posts with a general marxist understanding of things.

>The free market didn't exist until the 400 years ago
Capitalism does not equal a free market.

>But you ever wondered why anonymous free forums always turn right wing? and left leaning views with e-celebs require censorship and oppression to persist? odd coincidence huh.
I don't use a trip when I'm on 8ch@n, and I've got along list of bans from /pol/ , that absolute bastion of free speech.

>>11998017
tripfagging/namefagging has a purpose on /biz/ of putting a name behind trades and opinions
if a tripfag says something on here, you can recognize who they are and know if they're someone who you want to listen to or not, whereas if they're an anon, you have no way of knowing what level of experience they have with the market or their past track record is

I would never use a tripcode outside of /biz/

>>11998109
Also this. I wouldn't be using this trip on other boards.

The anons will kill us soon.

Rate my portfolio newfags

>>11998237
>NRZ

>>11998023
I certainly hope not

>>11998237
those are some thicc dividends.

>>11998237
>MORL
you crazy bastard

>>11998106
8gag was staffed by Null/Josh Moon. He leaked users IPs. total faggot.
use a VPN. use tor.
trust me on this one. im not fucking with you for once. maybe you'll find some useful knowledge in more hidden places but do the precautions to protect yourself against power tripping autists.

>>11998237
Drinkboys div broski?

>>11998275
ye, impressive

>>11998295
I'm aware

>>11998243
>>11998275
Thanks guys haha

>>11998290
Don't forget MRRL, more of the same :-)

>>11998296
Ya, its me broski. Long time since I've been here haha. Pic related

Jul19 APHA $5 calls, am I a madman?

>>11996867
just like I predicted. enjoy your 50 percent declined from here. you are going to see apple around $116 or lower soon.

>it’s the quarterly tripfag hate thread

>>11998320
hope the delivery job is going well

>>11996867
Oh, is it time for the greater /depression/ now? Thank god. I'll find a way to sneak put orders while at work.

>>11998109
>>11998152
>>11998160
Tripfags are gay and should burn in hell.

>>11998332
Its fucking cherry. Go around giving flowers to pretty bitches all day. Max comfy haha.

Massive brainlet here. Could someone explain what all this yield curve stuff is about?

>>11998321
Absolute retard

>>11998353
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/invertedyieldcurve.asp

>>11998346
oh I intend to

>>11998353
DEATH

FUCKING DEATH

IF PINK ID SELL NOW AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Green day today. Added to my GE position. Also added a new position, NVAX. They've got all the makings of another AMRN. They have a backer in Bill Gates and his Foundation so they must be doing something (or close to it) right. Did some digging. if they pull it off they'll be raking in the profits. Stock trades at a cheap $2.16 right now so load up now.

What's with all the bears in here today? S&P gapped the fuck up this morning and held that gap gain plus a little extra to finish on a doji. Yield curve nothing. It has also emphatically broken out of the short term falling trend at this point.

>>11998480
NVAX is a solid choice overall, imo
They have some issues with their finances (they've done a lot of dilution in the past), but they have a promising pipeline
When it comes to a biotech company, the most important thing is science
The reason Amarin has been doing well is because they have good science, which attracts investor interest and allows them to get funding

>>11998531
they're sperging out about the bond yield curve

>>11995415
>semiconductors
Laughably oversaturated market dude. Might as well say they make widgets lmfao

>>11998458

>>11998531
Spiteful Bears hate the world since 2016 and dont know how the SPX functions

We're definately going to 3k+ even if the 10/30 yields invert, thats just how it works because the fed will slow down rates

>>11998480
>>11998545
/biotech/ gang

>>11998563
he knew his id was pink before he made that post

>>11998363
danke mein freund

im still fuzzy on it but I vaguely understand the idea that people have less faith in stocks, so they are buying bonds which in turn reduces the rate of return on bonds because the issuers have less reason to provide high rates when there is demand.

>>11995468
>buying into a publicly traded pink slip weed stock this early
You realize that most of not all retail weed shops and grows are basically sole proprietor, and that the market itself is WAY overvalued, right? Even if you were growing and selling the shit legally yourself, it’s a fucking bubble waiting to burst. Not everyone smokes weed.

>>11998586
You just explained it better than anybody else in here could have haha

>>11998321

This is... high risk. I won't say it's dumb though. The hit piece on Aphria today claimed a lot of stuff that has never come out before as a criticism of the company. It was a very standard smear job by two short sellers. Evidently a convincing one but, considering the track record on these sorts of hit pieces, probably not something that can hold up to close scrutiny.

My concern with your call play is Aphria's track record with the market. For whatever reason, the market is not especially fond of Aphria and routinely opts instead for the other big LPs on pump days. Aphria lags the weed sector constantly. I don't touch the stock for this reason. I also think this reputation of theirs will slow the recovery if a recovery is in fact in the cards.

>>11998595

>>11995681
>Decently
30% spy
50% bonds
20% gold

>>11995452
disney is so fucking overrated. i went to disneyland a week ago with my girlfriend it was so fucking dumb. all the rides are so lame and everything is massively overpriced. the only thing that disneyland has going for it is that the atmosphere is quite nice but for value its fucking trash. id rather go to six flags instead. way better rides and value for money.

at least i had a good time with my gf.

>>11998673
>>11998673
>>11998673
NEW THREAD

>>11998595
thats a half truth. most weed shops have their own grows but every weed store will buy from bulk distributors to add product volume/variety. they also will retail the same distillate cartridge brands as every other dispensary which is where the real money is at in both medicinal and recreational sales.

>>11996169
>holy bible

How to profit from this recession? Thanks fren

>>11998619
thoughts on canopy? my average buy is $49.70. am i fucked or should i hold? seems like canopy has a lot of really good things on the horizon plus all that constellation backing. seems to be holding $32-$33 range.

>>11998802

replied in new thread >>11998851

>>11998672
>Gf
>not investing in a sec doll
>pays for itself in 2 yrs
>never gonna make it

less than a month into 4channel and there are already communist hordes shitting up TRADING AND INVESTMENT forums

no more back to redit.. WE ARE REDIT