/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>11992178
>unions, /biz/? Should I join one?
>MUH YOU GOTTA PAY YOUR DUES
litterly the only winners are the ppl that are getting paid from your hard work to run the 'union' NO OP Unions are for tards

Unions can give u better job security, pay and benefits. The stronger the class warfare against the capitalists, the better off all workers will be. I think you should join op.

>>11992178
Can you negotiate your own employment contract?If not, join the union.

>>11992178

Don’t listen to any 12 year old retards telling you they are bad. You have strength and leverage over the company when negotiating as a group and anybody that says this is a bad thing can go fuck themselves.

my great uncle' grandfather was in a union and he said it was bad
what? you want me to give examples why? yeah nah

>>11992178
Unions are not as relevant as they used to be. Unions were formed when markets were undeveloped and their was little information available. Now the markets are developed and information is available you can see for yourself if your benefits and pay are reasonable. They other people in this thread are living in some socialist fantasy land that really doesn't exist anymore.

>>11992211
union dues aren't even that much money lol. you also get dental and health insurance. you also make good money and you can get certifications for free

>>11992350
I already have all those benefits without being in a union. Plus my money doesn't go to politicians I hate that want to flood my country with mystery meat.

>>11992178
Politicians talk about bringing back good manufacturing and mining jobs, but they don't talk about bringing back the unions that made those jobs good in the first place. Unionize and organize.

>>11992178
>litterly
>tards
uh huh

Unions are good. They keep useless well connected workers in their place while keeping out millions of jobless people that will never have a chance to show if they can do a better job.

>>11992332
t. idiot

>>11992178

CEOs, and traitors to the working class will say no, but yes, you should join one OP. While you still can.

>>11992431
someone's mad they didn't get the construction job of their dreams

>>11992178
if you're a below average worker, then yes it's probably in your best interest

>>11992437
t. not an argument

>>11992178

A union can also easily lose you your job, and a shitty unionboss will make your life incredibly miserable, and there's absolutely no guarantee that anyone, for any reason, will actually negotiate with a union.

Depending on where in the world you actually live, unions can be good or bad, but usually they're very bad.

>>11992332
>Now the markets are developed and information is available you can see for yourself if your benefits and pay are reasonable.
And if theyre not reasonable, then what? Yeah. You are a bag of trash idiot.

>>11992488
Wow you're really stupid. You dont earn good money, do you? Something tells me youre a little bitch with an entry-level mcjob.

>>11992508
>And if theyre not reasonable, then what? Yeah. You are a bag of trash idiot
Then go do something else with a better risk/reward profile you yuropoor fudge packer.

I'm unionized and I make 48/hr plus pension, annuity, and top tier healthcare

Dues are like, 500 bucks a year and i make several thousand more than scabs

Also the whole seniority thing is a meme talking point, I think it's real for teacher's unions but that's it

>>11992568
Im an american and you are the "fudge packer". Nice 6th grad insult by the way, you pathetic underage bitch.

Keep replying, pathetic bitch. I earn a lot more money than you and I'm a lot smarter. I love bullying worthless twerps like you.

>>11992590
>>11992596
You union thugs always want to view the market as a zero sum game. The market isn't like that. Non union markets produce a result where everyone wins.

>>11992178
>>11992211
My uncle was in a construction union run by the mob. He got hooked up with jobs all the time because he was dating a Gambino lass. After they broke up he was essentially blacklisted and she told him to quit paying his dues.

>>11992765
Kid, you're just spouting words that mean nothing. You're not smart. You're not educated.

>>11993023
>>11992476

>>11992178

If youre part of a small to small-medium comoany, then no. Its a waste of time.

If youre part of a medium to huge international corp, then very yes.

Execs have been engaging in antiworker practices for decades now. Theres no good reason not to fight back. The only workers who think otherwise are the individualist goys who love company cock in their ass, and are willing to live their lives at work.

In an operating engineer union and can get training on any piece of heavy equipment I want. Bull dozers, loaders, cranes, etc.

Should I start a union?

I'm in a union. I'm unfireable which is nice. If some faggot manager talks shit, I can tell him to fuck off to his face. And all they can do is call my union rep. Then I just get back to work. Only way to get permanently fired is if I steal or get violent. Being late or missed work. I can get "fired" but I can simply request my job back. I witnessed someone abandon a job for 2 years and they returned to work after some consideration.

I unfortunately am afraid to be a lazy douche so I work my ass off and help anyone in need. The only thing I will do is tell a manager to fuck off whenever they try to squeeze an extra 1% of work out of me. They get butthurt but my numbers are fucking fantastic. Lately I'm just taking a million shortcuts. I'm learning that cheaters win 99.99% of the time. I look like a model employee, whereas in the past if I so shit perfect, my numbers drop.

I like the union only to prevent the emotional fear of getting fired. Oh yeah and the fantastic insurance.

>>11992470
this is probably the best summary ever.

>>11992178

fguck this picture kill me all time

Join the union if it gives you any leverage over the employer. Leverage is how you get more money, better conditions.

>>11992274

>Don’t listen to any 12 year old retards telling you they are bad. You have strength and leverage over the company when negotiating as a group and anybody that says this is a bad thing can go fuck themselves.

It really depends on the union. The shitty ones, end up holding you by your balls and practically black mail you for part of your paycheck, while doing jack shit for you. Not all union are equal.

>>11994040
Whomst do you represent?

>>11992765
>Npn union markets produce a result where everyone wins
AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>11992470
Wew

I'm a tradie and all the non union guys do serious asshole work. They take forever and it always ends up looking like shit. Why do you think they have to break the law and pay below prevailing wage to get any contracts? Their bids are the same because they might be cheaper per hour but they suck.

>>11994459
everyone in the store that’s in my union?

>>11994688
fellow workers unite

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