/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>11753380
>2013
don't be a fucking retard..

That what happens if you have one currency and 26 different economies. I wouldnt blame automation for that yet.

German-speaking = productive

>>11753380
>tfw greek

Ship in more Muslims, never once have I seen a problem in Europe that cannot be solved with this approach. It's the humanitarian, the good thing to do as well.

biz must love Greece, everyone's a NEET there.

What happened is all the free university tuition developed a generation of kids with no skills and in a tightly regulated labor market, there's no way for them to now get a trade or professional designation and be gainfully employed. They also don't want to because blue collar work is above them

>>11753651
EU bureaucrat spotted

>>11753380
>there's no such thing as black economy
Brought to you by +50% gross-net salary delta, mostly due to soon-to-fail ponzies (PAYG pensions, """healthcare""""

>>11753675
Blue collar work no longer exists. Simply been outsourced. Those summer jobs to help get experience? They have multiple middle aged part time workers doing it cheaper instead. Companies don't want to spend money training people but still want qualified workers, so you have to pay to learn with money you don't have.

We can solve it by importing millions of useless eaters from the third world of course!

>>11753714
Stop searching for excuses and kys

>>11753380
>2013

>>11753750
Fuck you, apprenticeships here are for 3 years and legally pay less than minimum wage. Would you like to work 60 hours+, six days a week for €250 net a month? For years? Because I have to. Unironically making more money with crypto savings right now
t. Farmer

>>11753675
blue collar means poor in my country
due to automation and outsourcing the economy is past its peak, you can only make money by cheating / automating now

>>11753776
Haha Azubiopfer

>>11753776
There's a shortage of welders, metalworkers and a bunch of other jobs like that.
Meanwhile I know a girl with a PolSci masters who prefered to suck dicks for a living rather than going blue collar.
"Unemployed youth" mostly deserve it.

>>11753790
Automation is a meme. You can't always outperform a robot if you are not lazy.

>>11753792
Ja Ausbildung

>>11753809
it's not a meme, my mom (an engineer) was working as quality tester of some chips and they replaced the whole team with ML and a machine, which was fed with image data of faulty and normal chips.

>>11753808
Not really, pay is like +10% of average pay in Germany. Pretty useless for the work you have to do.

>>11753850
>Pretty useless for the work you have to do.
Thanks for confirming what I said, unemployed youth mostly deserve it.

>>11753808
In the uk all the blue collar jobs pay nothing. Seriously in any decent estate like 10 percent of people will work one and 99 percent fo the time they'll have married a rich person or owned the company

>>11753857
No european citizen deserves their parents failures and egoistic decisions.
Cant wait for all the starving old people in the streets

>>11753884
Unemployement benefits will disappear way before pensions, if only because retired people are a good voterbase. Invest in some kneepads if you only have a worthless "humanities" diploma.

>>11753898
You must have never visited a daycare center for old people or a nursing facility. Enjoy sleeping in your own shit and piss after your cancer treatment because there are no nurses left to take care of your useless ass. Trust me, it wont be the young people complaning, they will find a way through all the misery.

>>11753944
It doesn't have much to do with the fact politicians will scuttle unemployement benefits and other workforce welfare way before they scuttle retirement plans. It has already begun.

>>11753953
>have poor and fit healthy people on the streets
>have poor and unfit old people on the streets

hmmmm whats a greater threat to society?
old people have literally traded their health and time for money. Young people wont do it, deal with it. Life expectancy is dropping in the western world again.

>>11754005
>have poor and fit healthy people on the streets
>leftard uni graduates
>fit and healthy
>in the streets
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>11754040
Not everybody is a fat lard ass burger. I know this is the norm in your country but accept the fact that the other part of the world is not like this.

>>11754054
>I know this is the norm in your country but accept the fact that the other part of the world is not like this.
I'm french. Leftards from leftard universities are the ones who can't find jobs, and they are all soibois and lardasses.

>>11753884
based and redpilled

the NEET will prevail

>>11753380
just like the amerimutts.
Create an european army!

>>11754081
>I'm french

Okay, first of all I am sorry for that.
Second of all if you are willing to participate in the "employment" meme you must be fucking delusional. I assume you are a muslim? Anyway, the way the world works today is through investment. If you cant make money by investing your money you should under no circumstance invest your time / health for money. That doesnt make any sense, we are not living in the 18th century anymore. We europeans should not have to work that much anymore. You wagies seriously hurt the NEET developement of the western world. I hope you will pay for this much worse than your already occuring poverty in old age.

>>11753380
>How will Europe actually ever recover from their high youth unemployment rates?
Obviously by importing tens of millions of more hostile low IQ immigrants goy.

>>11753808
Those jobs are nice but anything above a small workshop for hand crafted amenities requires huge amounts of money or being in a big factory with shitty work environment and looking at the machines that will replace you work erry day. It's pretty interesting seeing a robotic arm bend and weld metal though

>>11754194
Metalworking and welding in particular is also fun I should add, but it's mainly the work environment that's shit in most cases.

>>11754139
Good luck with "investing" you worthless delusional retard.

The majority of jobs created in developed countries in the past 10 years have been in the ‘gig economy’
However employers are still crying out for labour! High-skill labour, that is. Specialized workers, but only in certain emerging fields.
There are plenty of ‘professional’ graduates that struggle to find jobs. Legacy professions, such as accounting and law, will be among the first to be automated.
Hence the middle class will be largely out of work long before any others, and woe to those (if the majority of statistics are to be believed) with no real net worth.
Paradoxically, lower classes will retain work, because there will always be service jobs and jobs that nobody else wants to do and that robots cannot.
It is easy to guard against the future if you have enough determination. Ignorance is not an excuse for inaction.

Keynes was right, industrial automation has actually progressed to a point where our society could provide for itself with a 10-15 hour workweek.

What Keynes didn't account for was the financialization and subsequent bullshitization of the economy. Consumerism combined with a religious like veneration for work--even when that work serves no actual purpose or creates any value--has created a reality where over half of the population is either engaged directly in working a job that doesn't need to exist, or supporting someone who does.

Free Market believers would argue that capitalism by definition can't create jobs of no value, because if a company is willing to pay a worker for their labour, their labour by definition has value. As in, why would a company hire someone that doesn't actually contribute to their profit margins in some way?

To which I respond, why do we need a white collar population that is magnitudes larger than the one we had 100 years ago? Why do some corporations today operate in such a bloated bureaucratic fashion when an industry of the same size and productive value operated with a staff that was a fraction of the size of modern white collar workforces without any loss in profit producing capability? The only reason is to artificially prop up the job loss that was caused by industrial and agricultural automation. We don't actually need more people working to produce more with late 20th and 21st century technology at our disposal.

P2 incoming

>>11754257
thank you, keep up your good work ethics in that welding house. Maybe you will get that position for the robot supervisor.

P2

For that matter, the vast majority of the service industry just coddles to the needs of people too stressed to provide for themselves because their communities are so isolated by modern consumerism. Pizza delivery men didn't exist 100 years ago precisely because people used to actually cook for themselves, or have someone in their community that cooked for them. Now, I love pizza delivery don't get me wrong, but in an abstract sense, delivering pizza is a useless bullshit job because its entire purpose is to support people who can't support themselves because they have to focus on stresses caused by an overworked atomized culture.

So returning to the point. We should be living in an automated utopia by the logic of market dynamics. Instead, most companies partially work against their bottom lines by hiring people who don't need to actually be hired due to cultural reverence of work for works sake, even when that work is completely fucking useless. All of this is an extremely fatalistic way to run an economy. But hey, neither a truly free market, or a truly planned market has ever existed. (Might be possible with AI one day though.) And many of these economists are making wrong assumptions about humans, causing false economic research, leading to wrong conclusions. Human nature can't be simplified to a base cost benefit analysis which assumes people always exclusively work to better their own position in life for the least amount of cost.

We're too complicated to be simplified into a basic formula like that. Humans are not logical. We're rational yes, but even that rational is heavily influenced by culture, emotion and material condition. It's time to look past the idealistic navel gazing of assuming sociological forces like "completely free markets" or "completely planned economies" and realize that both of these utopian positions are not achievable, and hence, cannot be the basis for organizing our society.

P3 incoming

>>11754292

P3

At the risk of attracting the wrong attention here *looking at you /pol* pure socialism and capitalism are both untenable models for a society. (Again accounting for /pol here, fascism doesn't work either as it's simply a sub-variation of capitalist economics. People would heil the Furhrer from their fucking cubicals should fascism ever come to fruition in the modern world. It doesn't address the underlying problems with how we're handling production.)

And before asking, "what do you suggest then?" I respond that I myself have only started becoming critical in this fashion, I don't know the answer. That doesn't mean there isn't one, just that I don't know it. Moreover, I don't need to know the right answer to recognized that the current dominant one is flawed beyond being able to function.

EU elite know what they are doing. They are creating the conditions for genocide of ethnic Europeans. They will be replaced with a low IQ islamocommunist theocracy composed of africans arabs and mullatos that is much easier to control.

There is no way to survive global climate change with democratic nations. Mass murder and forced population shift is a requirement and white Europeans won't stand for it.

Thus, Europeans had to go.

>>11753380
>Non-whites have higher unemployment

Woah

>>11754282
>>11754292
>>11754300

t. thinks he is a lot more clever than he actually is.

You could have summarised your thoughts in a single paragraph, but you chose not to.

>>11754322

>You could have summarised your thoughts in a single paragraph, but you chose not to.

Na m8, just lazy and don't feel like editing shit for an image board. Anytime I post here it's a stream of consciousness. You're right that writing can be more elegant, but you forget what website you're on.

Contribute to the conversation or fuck off, you're cancer otherwise.

>>11753808
you're speaking from your american perspective. in france you're not getting any job like that until yearS of apprenticeship, and the pay is low

>>11754282
Rampant Consumerism IS Capitalism.
Whether a need is natural or artificially created makes little difference: there are profits to be made by fulfilling that need. If the job were of no value, then it would not exist. How can a business support such dead weight? It exists to serve its shareholders.
The recent obsession with 'stakeholder' appeasement and workplace inclusion is a recent phenomena, and will likely die out sooner rather than later due to producing inefficient outcomes.
The example you cite of some pizza being delivered is merely a shining example of entrepreneurship, as it creates an artificial need that translates to new markets and more profits. A better example would be governments propping up useless workers by enforcing wage legislation, diversity laws (such as positive discrimination), tax breaks, and many more such actions that prevent efficient market outcomes.
The white collar population boom was curtailed in recent decades, and having a degree in a legacy profession is no-longer a surefire way to get a job. I do agree, however, that bureaucracies are hopelessly bloated, but have they ever not been? Most of these bureaucracies are found in public firms.
Furthermore, if it is no secret that workers are inherently (mostly) self-serving, then is it not true that once embedded in a company, they will seek to make themselves indispensable through sabotaging (either overtly or covertly, consciously or unconsciously) efforts to replace them?

>>11754406
>yearS of apprenticeship, and the pay is low
That's pretty wrong. Buggest problem is that most of the young people go for dead-end university studies like sociology and art.

>>11753808
>There's a shortage of welders, metalworkers and a bunch of other jobs like that.

Sure, there is a "shortage". A shortage of idiots who are willing to work a full-time blue-collar job for €500 net/month (12hr/day) in 2018.
Are you ready and willing to take such a job? If yes then i welcome you to my Eastern EU shithole, you can start right away. No? Then shut the fuck up about "shortages". If greedy fuckers want to get dirt cheap workers and crying rivers when no one applies (and shill for open borders and more cheap guest workers from Ukraine) it's not real shortage. Just greed. ANd you are a useful idiot, who parrot neo-liberal memes about "worker shortages".

>>11754292
Are you really claiming to know the logical outcome of market dynamics? Believe me, many learned men much more experienced than yourself have tried, and failed. One only needs to tune in to any financial news channel to see a line-up of 'experts' proclaim the next big thing.
I will however freely admit that it is indeed the case that many large firms do hire unnecessary labour. I posit that this inefficiency is the result of the infection of political correctness, equality and opportunity, where there should only be the profit motive and goal-orientated thinking that leads to higher and higher economic rents for the shareholders. Unfortunately, one only needs to browse huffingtonpost for all of 5 minutes to come across multiple articles reflecting this poison in the government and the workplace.

One thing that struck me as quite ignorant was your claim that:
>many of these economists are making wrong assumptions about humans, causing false economic research, leading to wrong conclusions. Human nature can't be simplified to a base cost benefit analysis which assumes people always exclusively work to better their own position in life for the least amount of cost.
Are you unaware of behavioural economics and the work of Daniel Kahnemann and Amos Tversky? Though they might be jews, they are the prophets of the discipline, which sweeps away the fallacy of 'homo economicus' and examines us as we really are, flaws and all, in economic terms.

>>11754139
Can you explain this in more depth? I intuitively find a lot of truth in what you say, but don't really grasp it. It's important for us neets to understand the system well. Of course I already know the monetary system is a meme, but the macro level seems to be what this anon is about

>>11754406
>>11754464
Example : a sociology licence in France is a 3-year uni diploma. The unemployement rate of people with that diploma is nearing the 20%, average salary is way below minimal wage meaning the employed sociology graduates out of education probably don't even have a real job, probably serving coffee part-time at a starbucks or bioche dorée.
Someone with a high-school level in welding makes 1500€ per month starting on average, which is 50%-70% higher than our uni-graduate friend, for 3 years less of studies.

Now, university gets 60% of the french students every year, and the employement prospects of EVERY uni diploma are worse than trades.

Let's not even talk about engineering : it's separate from the uni, and it has a 0% unemployment rate.

>>11754507
Sure, what question do you have?

>>11754300
Many people here get carried away and end up proselytising their vision. It's prudent of you to admit to having no clue, and likewise I freely admit to having no fucking clue what happens now.
I will say however that Fascism is unironically one path that could work. If what I believe is true: that most of us are completely unprepared for the coming information age because of a) constraints on IQ, b) ignorance, and c) lack of opportunity then a system like Fascism could provide (inefficient) outcomes that provide some semblance of financial security to the masses, while funnelling resources and investment into future-orientated professions. The dictatorial aspect is also a huge bonus, as big bureaucracy and democracy are wholly useless in the face of rapid technological change and the problems it brings.
One solution under the current regime is to institute some universal basic income and continue our spiral into a hyper-consumeristic, hyper-capitalistic society. If capitalism becomes detached from politics then we may stand a chance. Thankfully, technology may make this reality. Unfortunately, it will be hell for the majority.

>>11754300
Good stuff. The real economic growth happens when a fixed amount of people can produce more. Or less people produce the same. But work is religion and religion often is a way to gain power over others. The market isn't logical. It's the combined conditioned deluded mind of the humanity. It won't optimize itself in a rational way if what creates it isn't optimized. Emancipate yourself dear anons

>>11753380
2013 in Czech republic we have like 3%

>>11754508
>Someone with a high-school level in welding makes 1500€ per month starting on average,

Even assuming that is a net wage, it's still low for Western Europe. You'd probably have to pay something like 1/2 of that just for rent+utilities for 1-room apartment in France. I remember reading about a guy who worked as a truck driver in France, he said he barely was able to make his ends meet.

>>11754548
You're saying world works through investment. How is that exactly? I would argue the world in reality has nothing to do with investing money. Why in no circumstances should one not invest his time for money? You seem to claim money has value

>>11754623
Compared to below minimum wage for the chucklefucks in uni it's way better. 1500€ isn't that bad, in Lyon you can rent a 40sqm 1br flat for 500 per month and it's the second more expensive city.
The big problem in France is people aren't held accountable for their bad choices in education, since uni is free and there's a welfare net. One of the solution would be to limit the number of people going into retarded uni cursus like psychology or art, and lower welfare.

>>11754550
Democracy isn't about optimization. Fascism is. But social structures can not be optimized with the same principles as monetary systems. Democracy is about inclusion. It's inefficient, but the amount of people left out is minimal so there are not a lot of people destroying the society from the outside. Fascism in theory is a solution, but a lot of people won't be given the power to be involved in important decision making so they don't have the responsibility and thus end up feeling worthless. For a lot of us it's only about the feels

>>11754482
>A shortage of idiots who are willing to work a full-time blue-collar job for €500 net/month (12hr/day) in 2018.
Can't get less than 1300€ for 35h/week you absolute mongoloid.

>>11754628
I made this statement to correct his wrong assumption that there is a shortage of welders and the european youth would be too lazy to aquire such an employment.
I argued that young people chose to not pick welding jobs because of their compareably low paying sallary. Since the profit you can make by investing outperforms the profit you can make through welding you should not "waste" your time by welding. Since time, next to health, family, security is the most valueble form of asset its stupid take the deal because you will end up old, unhealthy, unfulfilled (most cases) and on top of that without any money.

And of course money has value, today and in the future (most likely). Dont get me wrong, working is important and part of our humanity "The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it" Genesis 2:15

But since life expectancy, happiness, sallary, family values are dropping.
Inflation, debt, uneven wealth distribution increases... we are doing something wrong here.

>>11754758
>I argued that young people chose to not pick welding jobs because of their compareably low paying sallary.
Compared to what other kind of jobs ?

>Since the profit you can make by investing
You need money to start investing

>>11754758
Agreed. Except money is a real illusion. If enough people start believing screencaps of this post have value then they would have value. In that case at least all of us could produce the screencaps. Is it worth investing your time into investing in assets with monetary value only?

>>11754769
>Compared to what other kind of jobs ?
not jobs but sources of income, such as neet bucks, parents, trading

>You need money to start investing
getting money is not a problem in europe

Read Bullshit Jobs by David Graeber if you're interested. I'd like to respond more but I've spent all night modding New Vegas to try and get New California running well. Shouldin't be procrastinating on this board desu.

I assure you though, businesses are not always catering to their shareholders. And for that matter, the shareholders themselves arn't even aware this is a problem.

Also, and this a more personal point, but the concept of someone sitting on wealth and not actually working for a living while being pampered by society is fucking degenerate garbage. Shareholders are parasites. There's no reason orgs can't be run solely on merit for the betterment of society. The idea that someone should be able to simply buy influence in society without any qualifications but their wallets is retarded.

>>11754491

Look at my post above for a response. My brain is sperging out from sleep deprivation.

>>11754856

>>11754863
>>11754856
Wasn't there actually some sociological or socioeconomic rules about how administrations and institutions tends to bloat up the longer they exists and how they will vigorously defend their continuous existence?

>>11754894
And civilization vanishes when people don't even consider it a possibility

>>11753380
Germany and Austria is low because people move there for work from places where unemployment is high.

>>11753583
Does that apply to the turkroaches who shitpost here from a 200eur phone at some fastfood chain?

>>11754856
I'll read it, anon. Go to sleep. Before that, though...
>he's against rent seeking
There exists an aristocratic class for a reason. Do you honestly believe that those with wealth waste away their lives in hedonist pursuits? Even if they do, then that still does more for the economy than the average working man. The beneficiary of wealth is free from the troubles that plague the working classes, free to pursue self-actualisation, free to explore noble concepts, free to make a difference.
>shareholders are parasites
Incredibly immature. Shareholders provide much-needed capital that allows firms to grow much quicker than they would naturally. Shareholders run the risk of losing their capital. I read a passage once that put this so eloquently, but I struggle to remember it now. The point is that shareholders are a blessing because they finance the productive forces of mankind.
>there's no reason orgs can't be run solely on merit for the betterment of society
Please divorce your feels from reality. The profit motive dictates what will and won't happen. There exists a tendency for short-term, direct benefits to be sought rather than long-term, indirect ones. That is evident to everyone. Unfortunately, this is human nature, as is your altruistic, politicized world view.
THE PROFIT MOTIVE > EVERYTHING

>>11753380
The reply is that we need to ship more blacks and make them reproduce even more, especially with white women, we will live in a poor, violent and decaying society but at least it will be diverse and we will piss of those fucking racist right wingers.

>>11753380
look at demographics, soon a fuckload of child-rich boomer gens will leave jobs market and demand getting their ass wiped on top of that.

>>11754894
it happens in all eco systems where you eliminate risk factors. Companies shouldnt be able to afford bullshit jobs. Yet someone finances them, if its customers, good... customers seem to not care that the price of their goods is overvalued. If its QE programs that let you issue more and more bonds coupled with low interest rates I see a problem.

And I see a problem in some companies

>>11753651
>humanitarian
So they import human for consumption

>>11754754
>Eastern EU

can't you read you absolute brainlet?
Minimum monthly wage for full-time job is sub €500 gross here.

>inb4 just move to Germany

To spend the whooping €1000 difference on more expensive rent and higher taxes? Go fuck yourself.

>>11755105
depending on where you work in Germany its cheaper to buy ryanair tickets back to your eastern eu country and fly EVERY DAY to work.

>>11755105
Eastern EU isn't relevant, we are talking about western EU here.

>>11755162

That is an exaggeration. The cheapest discount ticket is still about €20-25. You won't be able to afford €40-50 on commuting with your typical "gastarbeiter" blue collar wagecuck job in Germany. You will hardly have any cash after you pay all the bills and taxes anyway.

However that's not the point. The point is that there's no real shortages for well-paid blue-collar jobs, not in Eastern EU and not in the West. The "shortage" exists in companies that either pay their workers shit-tier wages / have shit working conditions (i.e. in nursing homes) / scams employees / have all of the above. That's the reason why the same companies have these job openings constantly. Because they are shit-tier and no one wants to work there. Somehow decent companies that don't normally have any "shortages" or problems with finding new people, if they ever need any (because new job openings are rare in such places). But all the shit-tier penny-pinching jews are crying about muh "shortages" all the time and shill for more open borders and more cheap guest workers all the time.

>>11755302
There is shortages of blue collar workers because retards prefer going into dead-end studies like art or history rather than trades, and then expect society to cater to them.
Unemployement welfare has to go, or be toned down to a very short duration.

>>11755339
>There is shortages of blue collar workers

bull-fucking-shit.
Offer people at least 4k € gross + benefits and you will fill the position in no time. But you offer like 2-3k in twenty and fucking eighteen and then moan about muh shortages.

You only have like 1.6k net from your 2500 monthly wage:https://www.brutto-netto-rechner.info/
Or 1.9k net from 3k gross after taxes/.
Or course people will prefer hartz+neetdom than full-time wagecuckery under such circumstances. Working barely pays off.

Fuck, if the blue-collar wages were decent people would forget about their bs degrees and actually go and pay for welding courses. Because it will be worth it, there will be an incentive. But instead you offer them shit-tier wages and invite guest workers to keep these wages down. Well, you can do that. Just don't cry that there are shortages.

>>11755445
This
I have an Ausbildung, experience and a technical Bachelors degree and all I get offered by employers is minimum wage and at most 5% more. Fuck it, I rather am a lifelong Neet than risk my health for Mr. Scheckelberg getting raped by taxes. To all Employers in Germany, close doors, and take your investments somewhere else. My generation will rather burn all you own down, which will be classified as terrorism and no assurance will pay.

>>11755445
>Offer people at least 4k € gross + benefits and you will fill the position in no time
Ah yes, paying a welder over an engineer wage, good idea you absolute retard.

Nah, the best way it to cut down on welfare, so NEETs at least have to pay for themselves or leech from their own relatives rather than from society. That would be consistent with their mindset, at least.

>>11755513
how about you pay the qualified engineer 6K, which is compared to 15 years ago 2K. Adapt wages to inflation or you will find nobody working for you ever again

>>11755526
>how about you pay the qualified engineer 6K, which is compared to 15 years ago 2K. Adapt wages to inflation or you will find nobody working for you ever again
If you raise every salary, soon you'll have an inflation making welfare worthless, which is exactly the same as what I'm advocating..

>>11755513
I don't think anyones suggesting to pay high wages, just fair ones so people actually want to do the jobs. It's honestly not right how you get paid little for risking your health, compared to someone who did shit at school, went to a shit uni and then into a low tier office job. This would also stop more and more people going to uni. In the uk it is literally just the lower class who get exploited into these sort of shitty jobs

>>11755543
No faggot, you advocate to keep inflation at a constant rise to scam the consumer and other businesses while having stagnating wages to scam the worker to raise your profits. Just a fair warning, you can't force people to work without violence. And if you are willing to use violence for a slim profit margin, your investment will soon be ash, classified by insurance companies as higher power or terrorism and will be a Hartzer yourself, about the same result when you remove social security and welfare.

>>11755569
My dude, if tomorrow the blue collar wages rise up to 4000€ per month you better believe I'll also raise your 500€ rent to 2000€ per month.

>>11753380
>How will Europe actually ever recover from their high youth unemployment rates?
Reduce immigration

>>11753380
Cutting all unemployment benefits and related welfare is the obvious answer.

>>11755513
>Nah, the best way it to cut down on welfare

Greece already did that unemployment is still higher than in Germany.
Eastern EU never had any welfare no speak of, unemployment is still higher than in Germany.
What now, retard?

>paying a welder over an engineer wage

You really think that 4k is too high for welder and even for an engineer? In Western Europe in 2018/11?
You know that you only have 2.4k net from 4k gross after you pay your taxes, right? Still think it's a *fabulously high* income, you sperg? You know that in the US engineers earn six figures /year with lower taxes, and the cost of living is actually lower?
Have you even worked a blue-collar job in your life? I doubt it.

>>11755592
Not with rent regulations in place. btw, rent went up by a whooping 150% over the last 20 years trough Boomers inflating property prices with tax subventions, with wages stagnating for 40 years. tbf, there is no hope to expect any kind of national social consciousness from your kind. So as every year, I will strawl with lefties through the street and throw baby napalm and thermite bombs into small and medium businesses and laugh when entrpreneurs whine about insurances not paying.

The game can be played by two, and our kind doesn't have as much to lose than yours

>>11755649
>The game can be played by two, and our kind doesn't have as much to lose than yours
Your kind (the worthless neets) has everything to lose since you are parasitic to this society.

>tfw super low unemployed youth rate
>tfw never worked a day in my Life and only took comfy gibs and NEET bucks from tax paying morons since I was 17

>>11755640
>and the cost of living is actually lower?
Tell that to the engineers in Silicon valley who live in studio apartments for 2k $ a month wew.

>>11755666
>checked
Not really. I invested no cent into anything. You invested millions into the hope of a profit, willing to fuck everybody and your mother over to make it work out. All it takes to ruin your live forever is one well thrown incendiary bomb worth 20€ during a protest. To ruin my life, well, not really possible

>>11755592
>you better believe I'll also raise your 500€ rent to 2000€ per month

So his monthly wage goes up only by 25-50%, but you rise your rent by 400%? Well gl with finding tenants, but i doubt that you own any real estate if you unironically write such blatant bullshit.

>>11755690
I invested nothing, I am 27 with a 40k€ salary because I actually have skills.
If tomorrow welfare gets cut, that's less taxes for me.

>>11755714
>40K with skills
TOP KEK
a true believer
a useful idiot
the first who will bite the bullet or get beaten to dead by a mob of unemployed

>>11755728
I doubt it, you neets have 0 willpower and no balls to do anything.

>>11755684
>Tell that to the engineers in Silicon valley who live in studio apartments for 2k $ a month wew.

Nigger, you don't have to be working as a software developer in Silicon Valley to earn sic figures, and you know it so stop gasping at straws. I'm talking construction, oil/petrochemical industry, civil, mechanical engineers. It's literally common if you have a degree+experience.
Mutts are fucking their asses off when they hear that 48k/year is still considered a LOT OF MONEY for an engineer, even in Western Europe. It's like ECB hasn't been printing trillions of euros all this past decade for its own QE. Western Europe froze the real wage growth when cost of living was constantly on the rise.

>>11755737
sure. Have a look at G20 protests, every first Mai, random attacks on entrepreneurs homes and investments. Those have certainly all been Soros financed staged actions to destabilize the glorious state of the BRD and we need to import more Niggers because we all love Niggers according to grass root movements. But a true believer happy with living a slave life and being fucked left and right, up and down playing the pay piggy for politicians, entrepreneurs and neets certainly knows that

>>11755757
>that 48k/year is still considered a LOT OF MONEY
Because 48k/ year is barely a livable wage in the US in the first place my dude. The whole "cost of living is lower in the US" is a meme.

>>11753380
Your way is the way of the dinosaur.

>>11755714
>If tomorrow welfare gets cut, that's less taxes for me.

>he really believes that the gov't will cut his taxes if welfare will be reduced

Eh no sweetie that ain't going to happen. They 100% will find a sure way how to spend your tax money. It's like you don't even live in the EU if you seriously consider that.

>military spending (muh 2% GDP + need to create the EU Army)
>foreign aid
>welfare for refugees (instead of their own unemployed)
>more money for EU """programs""""

the list goes on

They might cut taxes for the biggest corporations, but that won't trickle down on you either.

>>11753380
We need more immigrants obviously because lord shekelberg tells us that its the only right thing to do.

Are these statistics even accurate? UK unemployment appears to be 5% when I look it up. I'm sure most of these unemployed kids are studying degrees.

>>11755767
Are you somehow implying the NEETs are the ones in black blocks ? You're hilarious.

>>11755866
dependent true believers can't be helped
They are the useful idiots of our age, with only facing dead getting them out of their fantasies, which will be too late for them, but also nothing of value lost

>>11755915
Yes. Children of late middle class Boomers who were not poor enough to accept their fate, not rich enough to be born with a silver spoon in their rectum, but clever enough to see that they are getting fucked and angry enough to burn the whole fucking shitshow down.

But stop focusing on them, keep being focused on the grass root movements tm sponsored by Bosch and VW clapping for the importation of another wave of wage depressing cheap labor while being at the same time an argument to rise prices and drive inflation without wage adaption

U.K. Unemployment graph.

Lowest since the 1970's . You larping neets are a strange pathetic case. And one of a kind. Just like the incels who argue that 20% of young men are virgins. No they are not it is not normal to be that much of a failure. It's just you.

>porn on a blue board
hey reddit, feeling smug today?

I'm a "mutt" who makes $135k in a low cost of living area. I rent my own massive 2 bedroom apartment for $1500 a month. If I was in silicon valley or new york I'd be at $200k+.

When I read about european salaries and combine that with the cost of living...the math doesn't add up, even when factoring in no health care costs and a better safety net. How the hell do you guys afford anything other than the bare essentials? I hear about holidays abroad, fancy road bikes, bmws, etc.

Also 100% european ancestry like most "mutts". (You guys are too idiotic to make memes btw, so stop)

>>11755790

It's only a meme if you live in the biggest metropolitan areas of the US, but the same applies to Europe with rent costs in London, Paris, Frankfurt, Munich, Bern, Oslo etc
Or if you factor in tuition costs/student loans, but the whole premise of the "labor shortage" argument is that there's too many people with bs degrees in the EU (and therefore no one wants to work blue-collar jobs), so the US must be the ideal model. So i guess for these people the solution is to abolish subsidized college education in Europe as well.

>>11755988
>I hear about holidays abroad, fancy road bikes, bmws, etc.
You hear advertising. The holiday sector is in a constant decline in Europe, in my region which was mostly visited by other europeans for the last 30 years from 20 hotels only two still exist, car manufacturers would close doors if it wasn't for state deficit financed subventions, the property market would break in by 70%+ if it wasn't for the same crooked games. Europe is dead since 1979 only kept alive by happy slaves like him >>11755998 and the constant invasion by Niggers

>>11756026
>happy slaves like him

kek, i get it that i'm a slave because i'm living of Eastern Europe and we are Germany's labor source.
But i'm sure as fuck NOT happy. The exact same fuckery happens here as well. It's just that we get Ukrainians (and some people from other ex-USSR republics) as cheap guest workers. They work in construction or fast food. The exact same jobs local people don't want to apply to because they pay like shit, even though there are no welfare to speak of.

It's exactly the same situation just with lower/higher wages. Germans are going to work to Switzerland, we go to Germany, Ukrainians are coming to us.
I wonder who will come to Ukraine...

>>11753380

Europe is literally entering another dark age.

Like in the past, getting invaded by migrants and a collapse of EU like the romans.

>>11755998
>So i guess for these people the solution is to abolish subsidized college education in Europe as well.
Or restrict the amount of BS degrees within it.

>>11753380
It's already recovered in the UK since that ancient map you posted was rediscovered in an archaeological expedition to reuters archives. Over all EU YE is 15% UK is 11%

>>11755938
Nearly all of the black blocks that have been identified had actually very comfy jobs.

Europe has no (native) youth...that is the real problem.

>>11756160
>I wonder who will come to Ukraine
I'm considering. Beside being a NEET I have of course also other forms of income which are regarded critically in this glorious country. And the option to get experience in third generation warfare to hunt useful idiots like you, doing what I do with less risk of ending in a more uncomfortable home on tax dime and the state of German welfare which will be certainly pay also while I'm technically not in the country anymore makes Ukraine a valid option with growth potential.

I keep at my premise, you are a useful idiot, you are actually the cancer of this system. The one keeping it alive by providing the arguments and data to keep playing a crooked game for another half a century. And now please kys lazy faggot, you are not different from a Somali in your mentality. Truly a world of equal faggots

>>11753380
I work in IT which is the only sector still managing to float (besides healthcare which is overpaid due to it being socialised, and public positions - judges, local/state government/bureaucracy which is mostly corrupt/incompetent, and the justice system which is heavily corrupt and tied in with old communist system). Besides that most all sectors survive due to either being under government contracts, servicing government/government contracts or being distantly connected to getting money from those sources (food, service industry, stores). Tourism is not nearly enough to hold up the whole country - the cities maybe, but the rural areas survive either through state subsidies (farmers, building construction) govt contracts, or welfare.

>>11756299

>he's unironically going to Ukraine

Well, hope you will get killed there, fucking imbecile. Good riddance, fuckface.

>>11754282
The Free Market does do that and its advocates aren't wrong, because what we have now (at least in some parts of EU) isn't a free market, but a state interventionist market with subsidies, tax cuts, additional taxes, EU subsidies, state incentive plans (for example to install insulation, replace old heating with heat pumps, wood pellet boilers, etc. there is a state plan for 20-50% subsidy of the whole price, while the state artificially raises taxes on fossil fuels and other heat sources, that is a rigged economy in my view) and it gets even worse in other fields like agriculture (subsidies for everything) and healthcare (100% state subsidized so basically free money, do whatever you want). So if you are arguing in a theoretical plane that a free market exists in majority of cases in the current state, you are wrong as you are beginning from a completely wrong basic premise of reality.

>>11753808
nobody wanna work and be scammed today because the purchasing power of salaries haven't changed since like the 80s

>>11754953
Yup. Slovenians go to work in Austria, Bosniaks, Serbs, Croats come to Slovenia to work.

>>11753380
2013, really? Take this. Correct numbers 2017 from all regions.

>>11756572
Czechs no. 1? surprising.

>>11753380
Lol it's not automation it's immigration.

>>11753808
a/s/l and phone number of the girl?

asking for a friend..

>>11756440
That is why you have neither power nor freedom. Not willing to take a risk and not clever enough to game the system. True believers, just lazy faggots without visions

>>11755988
>How the hell do you guys afford anything other than the bare essentials?
Let's see, for my small salary, yearly, expenses split evenly with gf
>35k brutto
>25k netto
>8k loan payment (3br condo, middle of the city)
>1k bills and insurances
>5k food
>3k others (incl transportation)
It leaves me with 8k€ and 52 holidays a year for discretionary expenses.

>>11756720
Probably overestimating food expenses.

>>11756705

Yea, you have neither, you fucking larping fagget.

>German neet
>going to the most corrupted, poor and crime-ridden country in Europe
>calls it a "glorious country"

You won't lift your NEET ass from your couch you larping fag.

Also
>Beside being a NEET I have of cours
>now please kys lazy faggot

"being a neet" calls other people "lazy" is the topest of keks. It's like you have a cognitive dissonance and don't even notice it.
I'd pay money to see how your faggot German larping neet ass arrives in some Ukrainan shithole and gets mugged by the first group of gopniks.

Now go on, entertain me, tell me about you imaginary martial arts and "guerilla warfare" skills and how you'll defeat them all with Chuck Norris-style kicks because you "actually served" in KSK. I want a laugh.

>>11756821
>glorious country
reference to Germany
>Getting experience
>Having experience
So English and German teacher would be an option for a side gig in Ukraine. Good to know

>>11756853

>reference to Germany

So you would you leave your glorious country for the most corrupted country in Europe to become a part time language teacher, part-time mercenary?
And assuming that the glorious German state is so generous that it *will* actually pay all your medical bills and benefits if you get both of your legs torn out by a land mine in Donbas - then why exactly are you still "being a neet" and even consider to leave your glorious Vaterland?
Get a job, lazy larping fag and don't claim benefits, if you hate them so much. Walk the fucking walk.

>>11756621
Starting 2004 with EU east enlargement the east started to migrate to Austria and Germany. Now with the next EU east-east enlargement 2007 and 2013 the east-east countries started to migrate to Czech and Hungary. This process will continue. Future the strongest countries will be in middle europa like Austria, South-Germany, Czech, Hungary, Solvenia and North-Italy. There will be the hotspot of future EU. Like you see its already moving in this area.

Well, buisnesses could start offering incentives to young people who want to start a career in this incentive-based economic system. Instead of taking away all benefits, pensions, raises and expectations of advancement in every workplace, they could try putting some of them back so that young folks feel like they're getting something out of it and won't just be slaves to the older generations' need for young folks to work on and on forever.

They could try that. Maybe.

>>11756968
>Lives his whole life in Ukraine
>Shit comes crashing down
>After crash buy in to Germany which is at its double peak
So you are one of those who buy high and sell low

>>11753380
>europe
>technological
ok buddy

>>11757206
>still continues with his Ukrainian bullshit larp fantasy

What you are blabbering about, you hypocrite? I asked why the fuck are you still a neet if you hate unemployment benefits so passionately. Put your money where you mouth is - get a job and stop leeching from you glorious country (Germany).

>>11754282
Keynes didn't predict companies embracing diversity and all the bullshit jobs that agenda creates.

>>11756538
this.

Those unskilled manual labor bullshit aka "jobs" that mcdonalds and alike companies
are offering aint worth being worked.
I find it more admirable then a problem.

if my skill allow me to earn twice as much in 4 hours than my son would earn in 8 i dont mind giving him the money as long we understand each other and he appreciates it.

We have free movement in the EU, so it's not like there are no opportunities, but people are scared shitless of change.

>that awkward moment when millennials and zoomers collectively realize NSDAP should have won

>>11757615
Back you your containment board, mutt

>>11753809
Automation is expensive and difficult to do correctly. Right now automation is a meme that boomer ceo's are spouting.

The delusion on this forum is off the fucking charts. Neither manufacturing in Europe, US or China is especially automated. It's cheaper to employ people than buy a robot atm. It's cheaper to employ and train a person in Asia, therefore the rates are dropping in the west. Outside of special cases in car manufacturing and pill manufacturing, the industry is too immature. If you don't want the same pathetic fate as Tesla you don't try to automate everything over night. This will change in the future, but right now it's almost impossible to create a fully automatic production process. The only way for society to survive a fully automated future is to make big companies pay their actual taxes.

>>11757766
this
>>11757615
get the fuck back to /pol

>>11757852
You don't need to automate everything to cut the need for human labour, you headturd.

>>11757766
>>11757879
>servants of Moloch in this thread
go back to the hell from whence you came, demons

I love how they shit on their own children and when they switch on the tv they see this shit and think nothing of it

>>11753380
Other than instilling work ethic, why does youth unemployment matter? What highly-used, world changing businesses are run by the youth? How many Apple or Googles were founded by chillun?

>>11756572
Tbh I dont see a problem except greece, spain and southern italy.

>>11756720
>>11756736
100€ per week for food? Overestimated, if you are not obese or lifting like a maniac while buying only expensive brands for bulking.

>>11757413
>Keynes didn't predict companies embracing diversity and all the bullshit jobs that agenda creates.

Because it does not matter in his theories....

God, I am so tired of /pol lurking and sprouting bullshit on this board...

>>11753380
They replaced teenage jobs with infinite brown adults that they need to house and feed by taxing the teenager's parents.

>>11758080
wrong
they replace your non existant children with brown adults

>>11754606

Europes unemployment rates are notoriously unreliable because of all the people pretending to look for work to get gibs.

>>11757896
Begone, back to the alternate plane that is both your dwelling and echochamber!

>>11757766
>>11757879
>telling me to go back to /pol/ when discussing macroeconomics/economic policy
No, unironically Hitler was right

>>11755945

gibs creates huge structural unemployemnt

>>11755988

you dont. they have soft communism where everyone is a ward of the state

>>11755902
Uk fudges its unemployment figures. But in any case 20% of the unemployed 5% may be youths.

>>11753380
>2013

At least post relevant data.

America the land of opportunity

>>11757264
That is not how it works
If there is a way to have more freedom without having to work or where work doesn't benefit more than no work, it is rational to not work. Again same issue. Buying high and selling low. Works his ass off and pays 55% in taxes when labor is worth shit and paid worse than being unemployed.

>>11758026
>100€ per week for food? Overestimated, if you are not obese or lifting like a maniac while buying only expensive brands for bulking.
Nah you're right, I actually counted the total expenses for my gf and I rather than dividing by two like the rest of the expenses.

So yeah, 9k€/yearly left (one fourth of my netto pay) after all is paid, plus 52 paid holidays.

>>11753380
It's not going to be solved and it's not solvable. If you live in any European nation with a significant percentage of blacks and Muslims then you need to leave as soon as you can.

There is no economic recovery possible and you will remain a slave to pay for the future neo-communist dystopia that awaits Europe. Hopefully China / Russia will invade and will kill as many Anglos and Krauts as possible

>>11758738
>52 paid holidays
What is actually quite amazing. Is this normal in your area? I have 32 days.

>>11758864
It's a bit more than normal, but since I work longer than normal (40h/week) I have additional paid holidays.

/pol/ need to leave, /biz/don't care if you're a lolbertarian, heartless AnCap, some retard ugly incel nazi or fascist loser, your place is not here.
Tchau booboo

>>11758910
>I have additional paid holidays.

I actually have the same working hours.
A bit higher wage though, but mate... this is about one week off every month, not including days off for overtime.

Good for you, put what you earn into solid investment opportunities (not crypto) and you will make it.

>>11758975
Yep, it's pretty comfy, even if I like my job I also like being able to take a week off every now and then to improve my home, paint and relax.

>>11758726

>Works his ass off and pays 55% in taxes when labor is worth shit and paid worse than being unemployed.

Then that's exactly what i've said here: >>11755445
>Or course people will prefer hartz+neetdom than full-time wagecuckery under such circumstances. Working barely pays off.

why the fuck are you sperging at me about here?
>>11756299
>>11755916

Why the fuck you're getting unemployment benefits and calling other people lazy/entitled after that?

You're the one claiming the benefits you hate so much. If you're so asinine about it you should be honest with yourself and stop leeching from the state (and larping about becoming a merc in a shithole).

There's nothing wrong in ditching a job if the pay is shit and taxes are high, i'd support that stance 100% irl, because fuck wage dumping.
But if you actually claim gibs you're a active part of the system. Stop larping as brave "le resistance" warrior, because you're not. You're in it the system, you're a government's bitch now, because they are paying your rent and sending euros to your bank account every month. You're living off of other people's taxes yourself. So that's exactly how it works.

>>11758994
>>11758975
Also I invest mostly in stocks, even if buying my condo was also some sort of investment (undervalued district with new public transport being built, in a very dynamic city economically).

>>11753550
This.

>>11753380
the unemployed ones are muslims anywho

>>11759044
Whites are to busy shoving dragon dildos in their asses and being neets, here all the young workers are Muslims.

>>11759008
>claiming the benefits you hate so much
Nowhere did I wrote I hate them wage slave, they exist, would be stupid to not use them. And no, removing them will not help you or me, all it does it make your work even more worthless than it already is. All I do is claim that you are nothing but a useful idiot keeping a dying system alive, having neither power, wealth or freedom and I'm being more clever than you by taking the gibs and selling questionable goods. Only thing is, I was under the impression you are some small or medium business owner traitor, wishing to have more cheap labor by flooding the country and labor market with stupid Niggers, Arabs Ukrainians... who don't seem to understand that a country that collapsed has a higher growth potential than one on the verge of political, economic and social crash, but you are just a wage slave, a true believer, a useful idiot, the first not able to pay his bills, one who has the most to lose and the idiot paying for everything, without freedom, wealth or power. A fucking pig has a more dignified life than you. Now go sleep so you are fit to slave away for Mr Scheckelberg, sacrificing your time and health to pay for me, politicians and Mr Schekelberg

>>11755684
>Tell that to the engineers in Silicon valley who live in studio apartments for 2k $ a month wew.
Oh cry me a river faggot. Small studio/1br is at least 1500-2000 in Amsterdam too and meanwhile the salary is 40k while some overpaid pajeet coder gets 120k starting in your shit valley

>>11759326
>wage slave

I haven't had a job in last 5 years, you utter fucking brainlet moron. I just don't leech from the state and sperg about "useful idiots" i'm leeching from, like you do.

>Nowhere did I wrote I hate them

You hate the "wage slaves" who pay the taxes and finance your neetdom, you utter hypocritical shitfag. What you're doing is even worse
>muh based Germany glorious country
>muh based neetdom
>fucking "useful idiots" slaves paying their taxes to the system i'm leeching from! , gotta go to Ukraine to hunt "useful idiots" reee

You're just hypocritical scum. Stop pretending to sound better than you really are. IF you were you wouldn't claim handouts from "wage slaves".

>without freedom, wealth or power

You have none of these, you fucking larper.
And if you did you'd be the Scheckelberg or a

>medium business owner traitor, wishing to have more cheap labor by flooding the country and labor market with stupid Niggers, Arabs Ukrainians

profiting off of them and calling them "useful idiots". Just like you're profiting off of wage cucks right now, by leeching off their taxes.

>>11759673
Jesus christ the r-e-ddit is strong in this one. From 45K to unemployed in less than a thread. Nice. But you still don't get the essential. A collapsed economic, social and political system is better than one on the peak. Cannibalising it is more rational than not to do it. And when it collapses, better to have not much invested in it than if you have. Poor fools who bought 2 btc at 18K and hodled, same whoare looking for a job in Germany atm accepting less and less pay for more and more work, being worse off than a non worker

>>11759795
>From 45K

the fuck? What 45k?

>A collapsed economic, social and political system is better than one on the peak. Cannibalising it is more rational than not to do it.

Lmao, if you're still larping about your Ukrainian fantasy then. It's better for the local and foreign power brokers, who reap the profits which you are not. What now, you're going to claim actually one of Ukrainian oligarchs shiposting on 4chins and getting hartz4 benefits in his spare time?

And if you're still referring to Germany then why did you call it "glorious" before, if it is a collapsing system.

>same whoare looking for a job in Germany atm accepting less and less pay for more and more work, being worse off than a non worker

it's a shit deal and everyone who is able to avoid it would apply for such jobs. That's why there's this so-called "shortage" of labor for shit blue-collar jobs. That was MY original point vs the fag itt, who said that "the shortage of labor" is because there's too many people with college degrees.

>>11759795
>From 45K

the fuck? What 45k?

>A collapsed economic, social and political system is better than one on the peak. Cannibalising it is more rational than not to do it.

Lmao, if you're still larping about your Ukrainian fantasy then. It's better for the local and foreign power brokers, who reap the profits which you are not. What now, you're going to claim actually one of Ukrainian oligarchs shiposting on 4chins and getting hartz4 benefits in his spare time?

And if you're still referring to Germany then why did you call it "glorious" before, if it is a collapsing system.

>same whoare looking for a job in Germany atm accepting less and less pay for more and more work, being worse off than a non worker

it's a shit deal and everyone who is able to avoid it wouldn't apply for such jobs. That's why there's this so-called "shortage" of labor for shit blue-collar jobs. That was MY original point vs the fag itt, who said that "the shortage of labor" is because there's too many people with college degrees.

>>11759932
> It's better for the local and foreign power brokers
yes, because of their investments and speculations on a profit, and all it takes to destroy it is a bunch of angry kids with access to propane gas and lighters or a mullah in a truck. Investing ANYTHING into western europe, be it time, labor, money is like buying the top. For an unemployed technical chemist currently canibalizing the economic and political system supplying local grey and black markets undermining said institutions and norms more, refusing to invest in sustaining the same, learning more practical skills that can be later applied at home when the tower of Babel crashed, in a environment with lower costs and way more growth potential is simply more rational than slaving and dying away for an already failed order on its dead bed and being branded as collaborator on top of it.

>>11759932
btw glorious BRD
if you don't see the sarcasm in this one you have certainly severe autism

>>11760219
>yes, because of their investments and speculations on a profit, and all it takes to destroy it is a bunch of angry kids with access to propane gas and lighters or a mullah in a truck

Well, not if they control the kids with propane and lighters. Like with Ukraine - some of the oligarchs actually profited from the chaos and seizing assets of their former peers, because they literally created and financed entire battalions of "volunteer militia" when the time was right. Same things happened in ex-Yugoslavia in the 90's.

"Guys with lighters" are just cannon fodder during such times. They are often the real 'useful idiots', thinking they are doing big things with their lives. While in fact someone is just using them for their own means. Unless they become local mafia kingpins (in which case they will be disposed of after things will stabilize, just like it happened with that guy 'Arkan' in Serbia).

IF there's a real SHTF situation and everything breaks apart then a random neet can only survive if he joins some sort of local group or a gang. And then it's either following the orders of your boss or becoming a boss (aka "traitor" or "Schekelberg", whatever). Again, you shouldn't confuse your larping abilities with taking leadership of a gang during an actual SHTF situation.

>>11753380
>2013 Graph
>Search for the latest graph
>Most of youth unemployment rate has been reduced to half approx

This is indeed a recover but still feels kinda bad, those numbers are still high to me...

>>11760219
>in a environment with lower costs and way more growth potential

so if your line of thought is something like
>if that Eastern European shithole is so corrupt it's okay because the state is weak af, i'll just bribe the cops if i have problems

then you're in for a surprise
hint: people are leaving these shitholes (like Ukraine) by the millions, population is declining but the government still want to collect taxes. Guess what they will do if the population and the taxpayer base continues to decline? Same applies to Russia, Belarus in lesser degree to Baltics

>>11759795
Prediction:
You will stay mad and wait for a "collapse" of Germany until you are ~40.
Then you realize, that you either failed at living or continue to preach for the imminent collapse until you die.

It is not to late for you.
You still can turn around and live a decent life.
You just need to turn of the goodfeel-channel /pol, go out into the world and actually live your life.

>>11758080
Euros do not have children. So they cannot make their own teenagers.

I spent months recalling back and forth between Italy, Germany, and Austria back in 2008. I saw one white child in Italy, maybe ten in Germany, and four in Austria.

>>11753809
>You can't always outperform a robot if you are not lazy.
What did he mean by this?

>>11754972
Agreed on most points.

However, I believe, the way administration and executives operate through typical hierarchical power-structures actually inhibits someone with integrity, honesty, talent and long-term-vision to surface from an "operational" position within the same company. Everything about current capitalism (with all its amended improvements) are OK with me except we need better way to nurture, select and manage meritocracies. This is somewhat common before 1970s. However nowadays you need operational experience to chart your way from bottom of the pyramid to top. All you need a MBA in Finance from Harvard. This is the issue.

>>11762886
>This is somewhat common before 1970s. However nowadays you need operational experience to chart your way from bottom of the pyramid to top. All you need a MBA in Finance from Harvard. This is the issue

Grammar issues...

This was somewhat common before 1970s. However nowadays you don't need operational experience to chart your way from bottom of the pyramid to top. All you need a MBA in Finance from Harvard. This is the issue