/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>11689689
FUCK YOU OP. Smart people need not care about others. People are a means to an end. Musk will take us much further than you boy pussy. faggot.

>>11689689
Elon is a low self esteem functioning autistic genius who was bullied in grade school and the product of divorced parents. I thought everybody knew this.

>>11689689
he's smart but he is very damaged. picked on, beaten down his whole life until he made it.

was probably a virgin very late in life. I mean just look at him before he got a hair transplant and went on roids.

Elon is a sad, sad man. I mean, he’s one of the richest most famous intelligent men on the planet and I have a better looking girlfriend than him. Sad!

Space x is a farce, just like new age Jesus aka our savior Elon musk

>>11689777
the point of having money isn't to get good looking women. those would just glorified prostitutes.

the redpilled billionaires like Gates, Bezos, Zuck all married the women they were with before they made it. because that's real and not based on wealth which can disappear.

>>11689795
>the point of having money isn't to get good looking women. those would just glorified prostitutes.
I like Musk a lot and think he's a super neato guy he is 46 and works a lot and has a lot of responsibliities and is the father to 6 children and has 3 ex wives.

He tries very hard to stay internet cool but he is at best a reddit teir failed norrmie nearly 50yo dad. Grimes, for whatever you think of her, is a brilliant marketer and has positioned herself as the "famous but not famous indie self produced composer genuine artist" of her generation.

Elon views being with her as gaining street cred amongst his core demographic fan base of 20-60yo angsty bitter middle class frustrated chumps who think if they just had some money they could build rockets to mars too who secretly jerk off to grimes/brooke candy vids on youtube.

His new wife looks like a witch just like his mother

>>11689795
Very sure they were already well monied when they met.

>>11689795
Wrong, along with peace of mind, great food, property and a well-bred dog having a hot woman is literally the point of being rich

>>11689827
>hot woman

>>11689827
To a pathetic thirsty beta

>>11689827
it's all fun and games until she fucks Tyrone behind your back because you're just an asexual ATM to her

https://youtu.be/B2wRvhbJIQQ

This is all you need to know. Dude is in absurd levels of pain and purposely keeps himself there.

>>11689827
That is the point of being financially stable. Being rich is about competition with others and yourself, as well as just plain desire for more. It is why those with success continue to seek more, the need for more personal achievement drives them. The money is just a byproduct of that need.

>>11689903
>That is the point of being financially stable. Being rich is about competition with others and yourself, as well as just plain desire for more. It is why those with success continue to seek more, the need for more personal achievement drives them. The money is just a byproduct of that need.
this is what a lot of people don't get

Someone asked bill gates something about this and he said "you can't spend the money I have on things, it's not like I can spend the money i have on nice new couches or things a person would need in their life. I keep working because I work with a lot of my friends and I am invested in making my company better" something to that effect

Steve Jobs famously was paid $1 a year by Apple to be CEO at the end. He said he was at this point just autistic about making the best possible phones and laptops and there was not much to it past that

>>11689689
I was on board til you said date boxxy, fuck op

>>11689893
that wasn't terribly awkward.
he was just showing what she was in it for.

Elon is just Howard Roark for the 21st century

>>11689689
>personally harrassed a guy and his boss who was talking shit on the internet
Unironically Based
Thats fucking hilarious and spiteful as fuck
Thats how this guy made it, pure spite

Pedo guy detected

>>11690341
Yep. People tell him "it's impossible to make an online bank/car company in US/ lauch private rockets" and he is just: "You're wrong. Why is it physically impossible. I'm going to do it, loser. Then I am going to rub your face in it"

>>11690433
>Pedo guy detected
is that guy suing him or not

For some reason I always thought he was a charismatic dude but seeing him on Rogan podcast made me realize he's kinda autistic

>>11689795
Elon married his college sweetheart tho

>>11689795
>because that's real and not based on wealth which can disappear.

>>11689689
It weirds me out how he's always right on the verge of becoming fat, but never does.

>>11689795
>because that's real
>Thinks women can experience real love
> Thinks its ever not about the money

You got a lot to learn about women, kiddo.

>>11689770

>beaten down his whole life.

Yeah, man, let's ignore his billions of dollars family fortune.

>>11691126
Elon didnt inherit anything, he made a bunch of money from PayPal, he is one of the leading members of the PayPal mafia

>>11691151

You seemingly have no knowledge of who Elon Musk is-

His parents and grand parents are incredibly wealthy Afrikaans, who built a huge fortune on slave labor, mining, and other south african traditions.

He's never been poor, never will be poor, and was born with a diamond encrusted golden spoon in his asshole.

>>11689893
Wtf that comment at the end. She clearly wasn’t joking. Guess she mainly was with him for the money and fame. I feel kinda bad for Musk sometimes.. One of the greatest men alive and still seems miserable.

>>11691176
Yea, his parents and grandparents were based businessmen like he is, what’s your point? He doesn’t owe his success with zip2, x.com, PayPal, Solarcity, Tesla, SpaceX, Open AI and The Boring Copany to his parents. If you disagree, please provide sources.

>>11691336

He could risk the capital

There was a study that suggested almost all successful "entrepreneurs" had access to pools of disposable capital so that if they fucked up they could just do it all over again until they succeeded.

Elon's talent is that he fell out of a gold lined vagina.

When I was a kid I would read about Howad Hughes and I just thought that guy was amazing. I even remember saying to my dad one day "Why is there nobody around like that any more, bill gates is and others are richer but just so boring"

Well now I have my own version of him in my lifetime, and he has a twitter and can't stop tweeting about his grimes fucking and drug use and all sorts of other entertaining shit without the filter of having to have the news report on his shenanigans like HH did. And there is every indication that he will continue full blast for decades

he is a great joy in my life

>>11691336
you will find that most steve jobs type people had families that were wealthy enough that their kid knew they could go out and do whatever they wanted and risk everything they could beg borrow or steal 10x over and never have any real consequences. You will never really hear about a tech giant who was the son of a poorly educated poorly paid laborer. So while it's not like people like Elon or Trump were just handed 10 billion dollars. They 100% knew they could go gamble in real estate or found software companies and if it didn't work out they could always fall back on eating plenty of food and having nice clothes and a good safe nice place to live

>>11691357
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Zip2 only had an initial investment of ~30k and musk funded all of his other ventures with his own profits. He paid his own way through college and worked several “normal” wagekek jobs. You don’t need rich parents to start an online company you absolute brainlet.

The mental gymnastics unsuccessful people do to cope.

>>11689720
t. Elon

>>11691504
I think he might be confusing “funded with profits” with “funded from taxpayer money and money from new investors while never making a cent in profit”

>>11689795
Kek gates bezos zuck jobs all from well off families, most went to ivy schools, wtf is this thread

>>11691415
Of course having well-educated middle class (or better) parents is a big advantage, but that doesn’t mean he owes most of his success to his parents. There are plenty of examples of billionaires who made if from almost nothing. Look at the list of new billionaires from China (60 new ones/year). Most of them didn’t have very rich parents. I didn’t have rich parents myself and I’ve made enough money in my twenties to retire if I wanted to. Most of you guys just don’t have what it takes to become successful and you use your upbringing/parents as a shitty fucking excuse for all your failures. If you were born in the US you have been a lot more “privileged” in life than I have EVEN if your parents were poor.

>>11691617
>There are plenty of examples of billionaires who made if from almost nothing.
no there aren't

The vast vast majority have come from families in the top 10%

>>11691617
*is frantically out googling to find any billionaires who came "nothing" because if he can find a single one he will come back and say it proves his point*

>>11689849
Imagine the smell

>>11691556
He sold his share of zip2 for a ->profit<- of $12 MM. He was the largest shareholder of PayPal before it was sold to eBay. He made a ->profit<- of $155 MM from that deal. Why don’t you have a look at PayPal’s ->profits<- while you’re at it? Also, you clearly lack understanding of basic finance. The present value of a company is a function of all future cash flows, not just the current ones. How the fuck can you be posting on a finance board and unironically believe that a company has to be generating profits currently to be valuable?

I’m starting to understand why so many guys on /biz/ are complete failures.

>>11691755
>Also, you clearly lack understanding of basic finance. The present value of a company is a function of all future cash flows, not just the current ones.
Since he loses tens of thousands of dollar on every tesla he sells, how long will it take him to make a profit with higher volume?

>>11691755
tsla is not funded with profits, it has received it's capital funding from investors and government subsidies, same with space x

>>11691670
>>11691670
Look at the pic I posted you absolute retard. Ever heard of him? He’s the third richest man in China. While you’re at, it why don’t you google the parents of Ma Huateng and Xu Jiayin too. The 3 richest men in a China didn’t grow up rich and are self-made. Might wanna do a little research befor you embarrass yourself with your ignorance.

>>11691840
lol?

>>11691775
They’re on pace to be profitable soon. I know guys like you won’t do it, but read their Q3 if you’re interested. Fwiw I think a Tesla is overvalued.

>>11689689
HANDS OFF BOXXY YOU CUNT

>>11691879
>Fwiw I think a Tesla is overvalued.
be careful about posting that online Elon will find out where you work and spend his days calling you and harassing you there

>>11689689
Mentally stable people are not the locomotive of humanity. IDGAF if he loves raping children. The Vision he is pushing, along with other visionaries of sharing economy and 4th industrial revolution, is worth more than what he wants to do with women, especially if they are willing...

>>11691598

It's hard to find real examples of men who actually made it with their own hands these days. Only person I can think of who made it from nothing to millionaire is Pewdiepie, he essentially made YouTube big, just by playing the part of a screaming manchild. Elon is just sad, can't really envy someone like that.

>>11691911
I don't necessarily disagree with you Newton was famously thin skinned and could not handle the even slightest criticism same with a lot of very high achieving people.

One way they train fighting dogs is to get another smaller dog and duct tape the small dog's mouth shut. Then let the bigger dog in training just fuckign savage the other dog. This increases the dog in trainings confidence and makes him go into fights thinking he cannot be hurt and just going on full savage 0 defense mode all the time. Maybe high achieving people are like this in a way and just don't know how to deal with any criticism. Trump is like this

just interesting to think about

>>11691859
>>11691859
The post you replied to. The pic is Jack Ma, the co-founder of Alibaba group. I’m done wasting my time on you.

>>11689926

This. We have millionaires who keep working even after they become billionaires and then we have people who say that giving people a small sum of welfare makes them lazy and unwilling to work lol.

>>11692001
I’m for UBI, people will get lazy and won’t try to work is a bullshit statement. Everybody has a drive in life, maybe except a few percent of nihilists/phlegmatics but I think we need to be very careful about how and where it comes from: This might create a very despotic future, where people are in the mercy or few, who don’t have any hard skills to find a job for (talking about 2-3 generations after UBI).

>>11691415
But what about the Ali Baba guy

>>11692071
>I’m for UBI, people will get lazy and won’t try to work is a bullshit statement.
yeah I agree, if you think about it we are really to where we agree as a society (mostly) that kids need to be raised to learn to read and right and have plenty of food to eat and have some access to vaccines and healthcare and that's not really something someone would debate against, like if you just let a kid go to elementarily school and eat food for free he will just turn into a lazy cunt lol

UBI is just a logical extension of that if you have a successful enough society to provide it

>>11692124
>>11691840
I say "most" and you find one single chinsese exception to the average and think this refutes what i said

>>11692131
>right
oops lol kek bbq tbqh

>>11692131
>raised to learn to read and right
You can't make this shit up

>>11689689
Ahh. Short seller spotted.

>>11692140
Did you not read my posts? I replied with the ->three<- richest people in China, not some random exceptions lol. You didn’t even realize that the pic in the post you replied to was Jack Ma and then commented this >>11691670 kek.

>>11692269
Nonwhites don’t count ever, you know that

>>11689689
it sounds like he's smart enough to do whatever he wants but he's just a shitty person at times. i can agree about ego but i'm not sure about mentally unstable. getting divorced and remarried all the time isn't unheard of, it just means he's shitty at relationships. who cares, are we writing fanfiction now?

>>11692071

Well yeah, it's actually pretty simple if you look at it objectively. Millionaires have found a job they actually like doing whereas people on welfare haven't.

>>11692422
Starting today though if you had that an effect who is going to work in grocery stores and all that stuff?

>>11692542

I don't understand the question. I know at least a couple of people who work pretty shitty jobs (imo) but they'd still rather be working than sitting at home doing nothing(in their words).

>>11692377
>tfw no muskdaddy erotic fanfiction
>tfw you will never feel muskdaddy's Boring Company expanding your Hyperloop

>>11689689
Hes a pedophile is what he is.

>>11691725
the musk

>>11689689
>has an shockingly fragile and weak ego for someone who has achieved as much as he has
>He honestly sees women and other people as means to and end and not as real feeling human beings
>He stalked down an internet troll who said TSLA stock should not be trading at the price it was and called his work and harassed his boss, personally.
>This is not what a normal mentally stable person with a strong and healthy sense of self does.

Duh, he is an INTJ. That's classic behavior for them.

>>11690010
He really is.

I can’t believe how many people think all these industry heads are real. They’re mostly lifetime actors who were chosen because of their bloodline ffs. Their main goal is to convince impressionable young people like the people on this board that you need to be a psychopathic scumbag to make it. My god you gullible morons probably think the Sophia robot is real too.

>>11689689
Implying cracky is still alive

>>11692140
>You will never really hear about a tech giant who was the son of a poorly educated poorly paid laborer.
"never" your words anon...
>inb4 replies that since they were musicians he's technically not incorrect

>>11693021
He's INTP. INTJs are organized and get shit done. He is just a narcissist who is really good at convincing people to give him money by repeating shit he read in Sci-fi books. None of his companies have ever made money.

>>11693813
I read about the shit he has done and then I see him in interviews and I just don't get it. But he must be one convincing motherfucker to have run a damn car company in the red for 15 years promising to make a profit for real next year, really this time.. every single year and at the same time getting it's market cap to 50billion dollars. He also convinced grimes to not only fuck him but legally change her name. He has convinced other beautiful women to have his male embryos implanted in them.

He must be one convincing mother fucker in real life. I would like to see him interact with people on a sales pitch or whatever it is he does when he's really winning people over

Elon musk isn’t worth as much as you may think. Tesla isn’t worth very much because it’s debt is so staggering and it doesn’t actually generate a profit (much like Amazon). He has a strong personality partially because if he didn’t his company would become irrelevant, kind of like Apple back when they had less than 50,000 iPhone users. No joke there are probably a few anons on this board who have more liquid value from LINK if you include all his debt

>>11694003
This is actually why he behaves in such a strange way. A crypto Chad literally spends his time as a NEET, wants to remain anonymous, has some property and a few wives but is intentionally trying to stay under the radar when he has 30,000,000 in liquid capital

>>11694003
>Elon musk isn’t worth as much as you may think. Tesla isn’t worth very much because it’s debt is so staggering
so you have absolutely no idea how the equities market works

>>11692071
Science says otherwise.

>>11692623
They are just coping, playing mental gymnastics to not feel bad about their shit job.

>>11694020
Yeah actually I do. if your company is heavily in debt and has never turned a profit you’re broke. Do you think the reason why stock market crashes happen is just because of le sudden random catastropy? It happens when the market corrects to what the underlying fundamentals and assets versus liabilities of a company are. Plus the guy is in terrible bondage due to all of the debt, I predict the retarded suits on his board (creditors) kicking him out and Tesla tanking, stock market collapsing, before they bring him on again. He and his company are very similar to apple in the 90s

>>11691914
> he essentially made YouTube big
this is one of the dumbest ideas i have ever read

>>11689689
I get you but when you put an exceptionally smart person in this world of 80% common humans that just go about their lives. Then throw in 19% thugs, tards and rejects. You are left with one percent of very brilliant people that don't quite for in. Get over it. This world is was it is.

>>11689795
I like this dudes post.

I love what Musk is doing but as a fellow spaz, I suggest he focuses only on 5 things at a time but then he was tired of traffic and built a tunnel in a fraction of time the government can do. I'll just let him be

>>11694143
tsla has a 50billion dollar market cap

>>11694143
I love money and profit. However, to advance as a species, we need crazy imaginative dudes like Musk. He's like Edison, Franklin and Tesla

>>11689689
>He is always going on about trans humanism and it is pretty much a given he selected his embroys for male sex and discarded females
why wouldn't you do this?

>>11694298
Quite electric

>>11694143
>He and his company are very similar to apple in the 90s

>>11694298
with the exception of Elon Musk never inventing one single thing

>>11689795
>the redpilled billionaires like Gates, Bezos, Zuck all married the women they were with before they made it. because that's real and not based on wealth which can disappear.

this desu

Finding a woman who isn't total garbage is as hard as starting a billion dollar company. Many of these guys were successful at both.

>>11694327
What he said

>>11691415
who cares if their parents worked to set their children up with opportunities

>>11694440
>I am just going to intentionally miss the point and act dumb

>>11694467
oh he's not smart he just had rich parents
ok
who even cares about that stupid argument

>>11694511
More like "If you live in the west the only chance you have at becoming a billionaire statistically is to come from parents who are in the top 5% of wealth and income"

>>11694526
and your point is?

>>11694549
i think there might be something wrong with you

I've seen some shit

>>11691415
I'm gonna need you to stop with the mental gymnastics. There are tons of rich kids that were useless and just spent their days pissing away daddy's money
>muh wealthy family
>Larry Ellison
>Given away for adoption at 9 months
>Still becomes Executive Chairman and CTO of Oracle Corporation
>Net worth US$59.5 billion

>>11694326
this

>>11694620

>>11692071
Nope it's ridiculous to compare these 1% of 1%ers to everybody else. The slave caste need their chains.

>>11692001
There's a big difference between working at the head of a compelling industry and doing the mundane drone jobs.

>>11693813
Yeah Musk has never got anything done. He could be an INTP though because that's actually classic behaviour of an inferior FE.

>>11693977
> getting paid millions of dollars to mix your genes with one of the most successful people this century
The only hard part of that sale is accounting for a woman's irrationality.

>>11691949
It's more often that underachieving people can't take criticism (Dunning-Krueger). You can't learn and progress if you don't recognize your mistakes and limitations.

The idea that Musk doesn't accept criticism is wrong. It's just the media focusing their attention on Musk's social posts and blowing everything out of proporation.

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7996165-constantly-seek-criticism-a-well-thought-out-critique-of-whatever

>>11689689
>He honestly sees women and other people as means to and end and not as real feeling human beings.

based

>Elon Musk
Iconic genius and enterpreneuer of our era
>you
Low IQ anonymous board poster with left wing bias because your daddy touched you there and you have no money, education or ambition
>you can pretty much fuck off, retard

>>11694297
>>11694298

I don't dislike him, but I'm not really a fanboy. He's good at what he does, being a entrepreneur. But you have to understand legitimate geniuses like Isaac Newton aren't really cut from the same cloth as entrepreneurs. You don't have to be a brilliant mind to be an entrepreneur, you just need to not be a cuck (easier said than done).

>>11694312
Right, I'm not saying that Tesla is not going to end up becoming a very powerful and profitable company. But I don't think Tesla will ever become powerful unless 1) Elon gets kicked out and is forced to take some "me time", 2) the board hires Musk again after firing him. Kind of like the end of the third Matrix film. The Matrix requires Neo and vice versa

>>11694969
>Dunning-Krueger
Why is it that only surface level thinking retards use this term? They found a technical sounding name and use it everywhere.
Usage is comorbid with typical r*ddit poster symptoms of being a pompous little content shitbag.

>He honestly sees women and other people as means to and end and not as real feeling human beings.

any proof of that? It's more likely that women saw him that way and he was the opposite. Women hate when they are treated with dignity in a relationship.

>>11691176
Focusing on rich parents, when the man could buy his parents out 10000 times now is just ludicrous.

>>11690433
Only pedo guys bring up pedo issues

>>11695359
based and redpilled

its like if you level up from being unable to read, the first thing youll do is tell someone about dunning krugger to shit on the retards who cant read

but all theyre good at is descriptive discussion, the types who mention dunning kruger cant into actual original analysis and critique, which makes them worthless for anything but re-posting shit in real life they heard

add some fucking new perspective to something if youre gonna waste everybodies time by speaking up, cunts

>>11695485
You and your red pill. Hmm

>>11694969
>It's more often that underachieving people can't take criticism (Dunning-Krueger).
I really don't think so. I really don't think the "average underachieving person" would hunt down an internet troll who criticized some aspect of some thing he did an call him at work and bitch out his boss. I don't think if you told the average underachieving person that some thing he made was not the best for a particular use case that you would be berated as a pedophile in public for it by said hypothetical underachiever

>>11690883
He isn't suing anyone, cause he married a child bride in Tailand. He'd just get rekt, Musk doesn't do shit he's not certain about

>>11695642
>he married a child bride in Tailand.
proof?

>>11695669
Him not suing.

>>11691894
The troll he "harassed" was working for a competitor's marketing firm or some shit to that effect, and was not disclosing his affiliation. I bet you share a cubicle with that roach, you worthless fucking cunt

>>11695684
this all just happened this summer and these things can take time, everything i can find about it says he is suing and has lawyers and the lawyers are talking to reporters so i think you might be wrong

but hmmm, here are some pics of her in a long article about the subject where they say he has been married to her for 7 years. I can't tell if she is 22 or 28 in this article but the article for being several pages long and being about how old she is, never says how old she is

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7189384/vernon-unsworth-thai-cave-diver-rescue-wife-elon-musk-paedophile/

>>11695698
>The troll he "harassed" was working for a competitor's marketing firm
not true

>>11695713
oh wait it says she's 40 im retarded

seems like he's suing brah

>>11691054
>he's never had a sweet girl take care of him and suck his dick when he was broke and had $15 to his name

You've got a lot to learn about being attractive.

>>11695684
Obviously, but don't wait for the big oil cockroaches to acknowledge the simplest of facts. It's their job not to

>>11689689
>He honestly sees women as means to and end and not as real feeling human beings
Roasties arent humans they are just for pump&dump you dumb beta cuckboi

>>11695728
>Obviously, but don't wait for the big oil cockroaches to acknowledge the simplest of facts. It's their job not to
he's suing, he married a 33yo

Elon musk literally called him a pedophile 3 times in 3 separate interviews because he pointed out the fact a submarine would not work in that specific situation

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7189384/vernon-unsworth-thai-cave-diver-rescue-wife-elon-musk-paedophile/

>>11695718
Absolutely true and fact-based:

https://tech.slashdot.org/story/18/07/24/2132215/elon-musk-calls-boss-of-tesla-troll-whos-heavily-invested-in-oil-industry

>>11695739
Just because he married an old lady doesn't mean he wasn't fucking 12 year olds for a while. Guarantee he's been through enough brothels to have fucked some underage girls even if by accident.

>>11695773
Not relevant. Musk specifically while doubling down in an interview said he "Married a 12 year old" this is a maliciously lie and demonstrably not true

>>11695805
Not. Patently not true. He cannot prove he didn't do it, he can only challenge that Musk has no proof that he is. BIG difference.

>>11695819
>Not. Patently not true. He cannot prove he didn't do it, he can only challenge that Musk has no proof that he is.
what the fuck are you talking about? Musk said he married a 12 year old child bride, he married a 33yo woman.

When you slander someone like that and they sue you and demonstrate where you published that he married a 12 year old and was thus a pedophile and you show you marred a 33yo woman. it is not a defense for Musk to say "oh well i bet he fucked some children in a brothel at some point because um reasons"

are you on drugs

>>11695842
How can he PROOVE that he isn't a pedophile? He CAN'T.

>>11695850
>How can he PROOVE that he isn't a pedophile? He CAN'T.
you cannot be this stupid

>>11695855
He can only prove that Musk doesn't have proof. That's literally it.

>>11695879
>He can only prove that Musk doesn't have proof. That's literally it.
that is all that is required in a case like this anon, that you called me a pedo in a specific way (saying i married a 12 year old when i did not)

>>11689689
The core problem is that anyone within 5 levels of him at all of his companies are huge yes men, he literally never hears anything besides ass kissing and he has lost touch with reality as a result. Also he gets by mostly on the collective intelligence and hard work of those below him, who force his sometimes good and sometimes retarded ideas to work.

>>11695917
Unless he provides evidence of his whereabouts 24/7 he cannot claim innocence and Musk may have been right.

>>11695927
>Unless he provides evidence of his whereabouts 24/7 he cannot claim innocence and Musk may have been right.
yeah maybe he married a 12yo

>>11695917
Doesn't sound much different from most companies. At least Musk is actually a genius.

>>11695932
lol

grimes looks 15

>>11689689
Musk is fine for the most part. But he has already transcended
>Wealth
>Family
>Women
>Politics
And pretty much everything else 99.9% of the population cares about. The only thing this man thinks of is how to bring the future here faster. He gives zero fucks about the present, and everyone else is too caught up living in it to understand him

>>11696836
>The only thing this man thinks of is how to bring the future here faster. He gives zero fucks about the present, and everyone else is too caught up living in it to understand him
he cares about any little criticism any random idiot anywhere in the world makes about him and will slander you and call you a rapist if you say any of his machinery is not suited to any task at hand

>>11696846
So what? The dude has like 5 world-famous enterprises and some fatso on the internet attempts to banter him. So what if he banters back? Would you rather have him be a pc cunt who pretends to care about (((real issues))) like orange man and transphobia?

you:
>>11696836
>The only thing this man thinks of is how to bring the future here faster. He gives zero fucks about the present, and everyone else is too caught up living in it to understand him
me:
>that is factually untrue in the extreme, here is an example
>you so what? what is your point? Surely your point was not I was stating a blatantly incorrect falsehood. Let me just say "so what" to your direct on point rebuttal to my retarded lie

>>11695485
This.

>all theyre good at is descriptive discussion,
Maybe not the same thing, but there is this kind of archetypcial person which manages to address every point, but fails to make an arguement.

(I.e your typical leftist)

>>11696894
Let me rephrase this
Musk is not immune to mundane issues. His kids, girlfriends, what the media says of him and his companies and his products, all of this affects him, maybe even more than the average billionaire.

My point is that ultimately those things dont matter to him.
>A guy that has been in three separate marriages and has six kids doesnt have conventional family views and goals. He could have stopped at any time if he felt he had crossed the line.
>A guy that fucks amber heard one day and grimes on the next isn't making a lof of sense. Not a pattern most men would recognize.
>A guy that owns five or so companies and none of them have a proper established market per se really can't be thinking this is a genius financial move
>A dude who spouts every time hes asked that theres nothing he wants more than a mars colony doesnt have very much in common with the rest of the planet

>>11696943
Its the logical thing to want at this point. You want your genes to live on (what else could be the purpose of life?), he's got a bunch of kids, so the next step is making sure the genes survive on a larger scale. Earth won't survive forever so we have to get going eventually. Once we expand off earth, earth genes will be able to multiply exponentially as well.

>>11697349
It is not logical to want to go to mars right now. If you really get into the logistics of what it will take to live there and what life is going to be like there for the first settlers it's pretty grim. It would be a lot more logical to go to the moon and set up a base there for yearlong habitation and see what the benefits are before going to mars which is also a barren wasteland.

he want's to go because people look up to him for talking about it and it's an interesting subject. For someone his age who grew up with the moon landing being heralded as the greatest singular human achievement in history going to mars would make him a super big man. It's really just unbridled nonsense vaporware sales to talk about settling mars right now as a private company that needs to make a profit. Huge nation states such as Russia and the USA have looked at it and are not really gunning for human settlement that hard because they know the horrible logistics

>>11697432
Nope he really wants to go and he will make it happen. Nation states are fucking retarded, how is that not obvious to you?

>>11697478
Nice bare assertions and blanket statements.

Not like private companies took us to the moon or would ever have put rovers on mars. Musk is using the tech developed by nation states, he has invented exactly nothing, he is just using 60s era chemical rockets to in theory go to mars. There is zero way he could conceive to make a profit putting humans on mars. No chance, 0%. There is no reason for a private for profit company to piss away 500billion dollars to put 10 faggots on Mars with no ability to return them

>>11697514
He would make a profit by charging $1m/ticket. And he would have the ability to return them, it would be cheaper than taking them there since there will be more cargo needed from Earth initially. This is possible because the rockets are reusable (something that nation states couldn't crack and everyone though was impossible until he did it).

And there will be people who pay to go for all sorts of reasons. People who want to get off this planet badly enough (e.g. fleeing overseas doesn't work like it used to). People that want a head start on the next stage of human expansion (pic related).

It's just like how humans expanded from Africa into Europe. It was fucking grim but it worked out. If you want to stay on Earth with the rest of the chimps that's fine.

>>11697698
>He would make a profit by charging $1m/ticket. And he would have the ability to return them,
stopped reading right there. You can't put a human in to low earth orbit for a million dollars right now with Elon's tech. You have no idea what it costs to send something to mars. Sending something that weighs as much as a golf cart one way with no food or life support costs a billion dollars.

There is a 0% chance you could do it for under 10 billion dollars a person/ticket even using elon's theoretical fantasy costs

>>11697698
>This is possible because the rockets are reusable (something that nation states couldn't crack and everyone though was impossible until he did it).
the rockets on the space shuttle were 100% reusable. have you ever read anything about the history of space travel?

>>11697723
This is nation state thinking. Things actually get cheaper when there is an incentive.

>>11697749
>This is nation state thinking. Things actually get cheaper when there is an incentive.
you are talking out of your ass, what is the incentive to keep 10 random human beings alive on mars?

not as much profit in looking at rocks as you might imagine

>>11697747
>100% reusable
Hardly. I'll give you maybe 10% reusable after all the shit they had to do to get them ready again.
https://www.quora.com/Space-Shuttle-How-much-money-was-saved-by-reusing-the-Solid-Rocket-Boosters-SRBs-instead-of-making-them-disposable

>>11697765
I know you stopped reading that earlier post but maybe go back to it.

>>11697785
>Hardly. I'll give you maybe 10% reusable after all the shit they had to do to get them ready again.
same will be true with elon's "you'll give me 10%" well thank you anon thank you for doling out that 10% even though you are wrong.

>>11697794
>something costs $100 to make
>costs $90 to repair after each use
>is then 100% reusable
I.. I guess

>>11695642
I'd marry a 15-16yo bride in Thailand if I could desu senpai

>>11697833
Same will be true of Elon's rockets when they start being what people call in the industry "man rated" he is going to have to rebuild the shit out of them. The shuttle's engines were not as bad as you are saying, it was not literally 90%.

Musk's engines are going to have to be (if he wants to send humans up on them after being reused) largely rebuilt by hand between missions and not infinitely rebuildable, like you might get to use them 5-7 times but not 100 times. When you get down to it the harsh and brutal truth is that using chemical high temp rocket motors to get things into space is horrible. We need a fundamental different way to get humans into space, must is not going to save 100% on engine costs. They will still cost millions and millions of dollars to make and millions to re use every flight if you want to carry humans. This is to say nothing of when he has his first fatal fight and the stakes go up, not his fault it's just what is going to happen.

Not being a dick here but I can just tell you are where I was when I got into reading about rockets 5-7 years ago. You just don't understand how fundamentally terrible they are and what a nightmare compromise we are involved in by being married to this awful technology.

Read about this and when you really understand it and how much fuel it takes to get to mars and how much gear and life support equipment a human would have to bring to mars and how much it costs to soft land a pound of payload on mars it will make you sad. Elon famously avoids talking about these specifics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_impulse

also go play kerbal space it's pretty fun ^_^

>>11697846
You can marry a 16yo in most states in the USA

>>11697951
Except the 28yo single mothers would attack me in droves if I did.

>>11697997
well yeah but i mean if you go to tialand and do it the only reason you are getting away with it is that everyone there lives in absolute poverty and they are willing to let you marry their children for food, they are going to think you are a piece of shit though

>>11697997
No one cares what roasties think after they hit The Wall. That's like women not doing something because neckbeards would whine.

>>11697922
Maybe it's not the time now idk but I think it's going to happen eventually because it has to. If not Musk, Bezos and if neither of them, someone else. I think it is logical to go to Mars as soon as it is feasible. I want to lay out my reasons but it's 3:30 and I'm tired.

>>11698008
Most people in Thailand are completely fine. Their life is so easy that they're basically all lazy bastards.

>>11689720
fuck off retard, elon sucks and so do you you NPC tier brainlet who thinks of others as NPCs

>>11698073
>Maybe it's not the time now idk but I think it's going to happen eventually because it has to.
Not really a good argument. Go read about the link i am posting below. We are going to need some other way to get to space. Chemical rockets are never going to get someone into space what could conceivably fathomably could be called affordably. It is impossible. It would be like the only thing existing being hot air balloons and someone trying to tell you his hot air ballon is going to be able to take you from NY to Paris in 8 hours for $42.95 because he has found a way to re use the fuel tank. It's preposterous and nobody can refute any claim with specifics for how to change that except for emotional appeals and "it has to"

I desperately want to go to space, I don't know all this stuff because I don't want to go to space. But I need someone to be able to say how they are going to make it cheap without resorting to vague lies and horseshit about reusing chemical rockets being the solution. People have ben barking up that tree since the 1970s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevator

>>11698073
>Most people in Thailand are completely fine. Their life is so easy that they're basically all lazy bastards.
-Thailand's Annual Household Income per Capita data is updated yearly, available from Dec 1981 to Dec 2017, with an averaged value of 1,090.459 USD.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjB3bP5oMreAhUjqlkKHd0pD_4QFjACegQIBRAK&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ceicdata.com%2Fen%2Findicator%2Fthailand%2Fannual-household-income-per-capita&usg=AOvVaw0GBXGu0EUX9MRO7XzLmZ6W

>>11698138
They don't need much income, you can live a decent life in Thailand for $1k/yr. If they wanted more they would be more productive but they are more than happy to take it easy. They've all got plenty of food.

>>11691126
Ehh what? He literally left home to go to Canada. Earl (his dad) only periodically gave a little money, I believe he and his brother received around 25k for their first company, and that was kind of it.

>>11698219
friend you have just got to do a better job of learning from other people when you are wrong and taking it as an opportunity to grow as a person rather than using it to learn how to dodge and weave and hunker down in your provably incorrect opinions about the costs of rocketing to space and how much income people have

>>11698231
>Ehh what? He literally left home to go to Canada. Earl (his dad) only periodically gave a little money, I believe he and his brother received around 25k for their first company, and that was kind of it.
funny how that always works out, all these children of multi millionaires wind up pulling themselves up by their boot straps. Like Trump who just took a small loan from his father one time

>>11698122
Would in orbit refueling not have a similar impact to a space elevator? I'm not even debating the costs of getting to Mars but the logic of whether it's a worthwhile goal. Musk is trying to get the costs down and start another space race. Look at where this argument started, I was agreeing with a guy that said what he's doing doesn't make sense from regular perspectives.

>>11698246
I've been to Thailand. No one is going to sell you their daughter for food. You are wrong on this one.

>>11698289
Not really sure what you are asking. In orbit refueling requires thousands of pounds of fuel to be delivered to the receiving space craft and that fuel also had to be accelerated into orbit. When you see how much fuel it takes to get someone into orbit and the maximum theoretical efficiency of a rocket it will make sense to you

>>11698289
>I've been to Thailand. No one is going to sell you their daughter for food. You are wrong on this one.
i was saying that i thought obviously mostly as a joke but there is an objectively value to money in the sense that if your family on has $80 a week coming in you can't even buy a good phone. you can't travel anywhere or really do anything but sit around and eat the cheapest possible food you can find. Marrying some fat anglo starts looking pretty good if you want any of the consumer goods or ability to do anything you see people in the west doing such has having a car or not living in a shack

>>11698354
They have decent phones, accommodation, and food. They could be better but they are clearly satisfied, otherwise they would improve them with their endless free time. Beyond that they would only be getting into status symbols like iphones, cars and international travel. They'd probably sell their children for that but only if they actually wanted to marry their daughter to you anyway.

>>11698503
I would say that given the fact that from the moment you get off the plane there that everyone who meets you tries to sell you their body for money that might not be the case.

i could go for a nice thai brothel about now though

>>11689689
Grimes has had a lot of abortions

>>11699501
>Grimes has had a lot of abortions
Is that what the song Oblivion is about?

>>11695515
The average person won't receive much attention online in the first place. Musk isn't an average person. If Musk just passively takes shit from people, it'll affect the public's perception of him and his company. The diver Unsworth wasn't being cordial in the first place when he mentioned the sub wasn't suitable for the task. He accused Musk of doing it as "just a PR stunt" and the sub "had absolutely no chance of working" in his first tweet. Right off the bat, Unsworth took off his gloves.

>>11695359
>>11695485
Dunning-Krueger isn't rocket science. It's just a term for a very common phenomena. You don't need to be a psychologist to see how some people overestimate their abilities.

>>11700000
Witnessed

>>11700000
Nice quints bro.

He was right that it was a PR stunt, he was right that it had no chance of working. This is how men talk to each other, he was being cordial enough as a man who was physically going to go rescue those boys and didn't need Musk's attention whoring from 1000 miles off getting in his way.

The response to "this PR stunt looks like a PR stunt and that submarine is not good for this application" is not "You are a child rapist and married a child pedo guy"

>>11700000
Ch-ch-ch-ch-checked

>>11695917

Why would Musk lose touch with reality when he's got reports? If the reports are fabricated, then that's another story.

If Musk's ideas work, then they work. If they don't, then they don't. The free market will decide his fate.

>>11700026
The PR stunt accusation can go both ways. Why was Unsworth even tweeting about his rescue activities? It's obviously self-promotion. He could've just ignored Musk's tweet but instead responded to it. The attempt at trying to piggy-back on Musk's social media presence was so obvious.

>>11695039
Cucks are attracted to sluts

>>11700123
Musks actions were directly affecting the rescue operation. Why was the rescuer tweeting about what he was doing? Because that's what people do. If Elon was tweeting about making cars that's not a PR stunt. If a rescuer is tweeting about his difficulties, that's just... i mean do you need this explained to you?

When Elon sees that some story totally unrelated to him half the world away is causing the media to not pay attention to him for 5 whole mins so he has to interject himself and his company (WE ARE USING THE TUBE FROM A FALCON XX HEAVY FOR THE SUB READ MORE ABOUT MY FALCON HEAVY HERE LINK) using all his PR might into the situation, that is the definition of a PR stunt.

The fact is a 5 foot tall 1.5 foot thick steel tube could not fit through the twists and turns of the cave, Elon was fucking things up by making the news talk about this.

Elon's response of calling the guy a child rapist and lying about how old his wife was is slander

>>11689689
>He honestly sees women and other people as means to and end and not as real feeling human beings.
>He has six sons and 3 of them are triplets. He is always going on about trans humanism and it is pretty much a given he selected his embroys for male sex and discarded females. The odds of having 6 sons and all male triplets without fertility treatments is staggeringly low and this is totally something he would do.
This is literally me if I was a billionaire lmao

>>11692071
Think about if you were 18 and were guaranteed to not end up homeless or starving to death as a basic right - anywhere in the USA. You would definitely take more business/career risks. You'd also tell your boss to go fuck himself if he tries to fuck with you (ruling class dont want that)

If you get 20-30k free - you know what's better than 20-30k? Making shit-tons more. Hell, you could wage cuck and gamble your gubbamint moneys on stocks/crypto.

Throw 30K on something before it moons. (or plummets to the earth).

>>11692001
2 different types of people.

>>11689689
>sees women as means to an end not as real feeling human beings

That's a matter of practicality, because any woman who wants to be with a billionaire doesn't see him as a real feeling human being but as a means to an end. If you're a male billionaire looking for love, you're shit out of luck. The best you can hope for is a bunch of flings with some whores, which isn't a bad consolation prize.

>>11689770
He looks to be an incel before he made it

>>11700903
yeah but why would anyone cashier at a grocery store

how are we going to get the shit done nobody wants to do?

>>11695394

>what is inflation and own money compared to net national product

>>11695927
you're pretending to not understand the law, right?

>>11700000
>Dunning-Krueger isn't rocket science. It's just a term for a very common phenomena. You don't need to be a psychologist to see how some people overestimate their abilities.

Its not a question of complexity. It's the (real) stereotype of less than very intelligent people name dropping DK effect because it means they get to gloat over others. It's the pompousness and pretentiousness that everyone cringes at.

I guarantee if you searched r3ddit for that word you'd have thousands of results in just this year.

>>11689689
who wants to be normal and mentally stable anyway?

>>11701600
Extraverted normies

>>11701726
Me

>>11700903
>Think about if you were 18 and were guaranteed to not end up homeless or starving to death as a basic right - anywhere in the USA. You would definitely take more business/career risks.

You don't need bring UBI into your argument. Look at what many poor people currently do. They live above their means, taking loans to pay for luxuries even though they're living paycheck to paycheck. That's risk taking right there. It's not business/career, but it has just as much impact as a business/career move.

>If you get 20-30k free - you know what's better than 20-30k? Making shit-tons more.

Or lose all of it within a few months. Many lottery winners end up poor again because they have poor financial sense.

>>11690918
>how often do people talk about chimps though?
>oh on this podcast?! we talk about chimps like every other episode, hey jamie

>>11701594
I kind of agree with you but your post still doesn't address the an earlier argument by another who said that high achieving people are less accepting of criticism when in reality the inverse is more often true.

>>11691949
This anon got confidence, competence, risk-tolerance, and humility all mixed up. You can be both confident, incompetent, and risk-adverse at the same time (i.e., idea guys, shitloads of those people). How do these people do it? They have unconfident, competent, and risk-tolerant people do the hard work for them and then take the lion's share of credit for their work.