/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>11654978
That's a nice cuck shed

>>11654987
When you have a craving for some roastie it's not too hard to get it in context either.

>>11654978

>the absolute state of our water

>>11655019
>>11654978
This shit costs like $1 million, not $70k unless it's a worthless dingy boat piece of shit lmao

>>11654978
How are you going to get an internet connection at sea?

>>11655050
Gotta pay for what you want, sure. Although I'd point out that actually a FP Lucia 40 as pictured there isn't a mil. More like half that.
If your goal is simply to drown in pussy there are certainly cheaper ways of doing it, an ed visa and thailand spring to mind. If that's your "position of fuck you" fair enough. What I want is independence and not having to continue to pay out to a civilisation I loathe.

>>11654978
You obviously do not own a boat/yacht.
Everyone I know that owns a boat or yacht endearingly refer to their watercrafts as floating money pits.
Living on a boat is for after making it, not the means to make it.

>>11655065
Most of the time you won't be at sea, most of the time you'll be anchored and probably within 4g range. At sea though you are looking at inmarsat BGAN terminal

>>11655071
Most people own them separate from their houses which is just an additional cost of living. If it's your house, what you'd have spent otherwise on a house can go into it instead. If you look at it like that, boats are actually fairly cheap as long as you can do the maintenance yourself.

I think people are starting to realize the only way to be free is in the ocean.

>>11654978
Alright, I got one. Although I only know this works for ausfags, and who knows for how long, but I think the basic way it works means it should last at least a pretty long time and also can be modified in future if they shut it down.
In various parts of the AU outback, say Western Australia, there's super cheap property with very high solar irradiance available. So you can get a house for like 25k AUD and rig it with solar panels. The stupids from here assume that I would say "And then you mine with it" but no, WA grid tarrifs pay absurd amounts for kWh from solar feed ins at the moment, up to like 0.60 AUD per kWh. Meaning you could not only set up a little crypto mine, but also sell your daytime excess back to the grid to finance your nighttime mining, or just skip the crypto altogether and rely purely on the grid subsidy.
On the downside, you're stuck in fucking outback western australia and whatnot, but that's not that much different from being stuck in the middle of the ocean sometimes either right?
If they shut down the solar tariff, you can still make it work by adding an energy storage system and working purely from crypto mining.

>>11655079
If it's your house, youll need to pay slippage or mooring fees somewhere.
If you plan on travelling from port to port, youll need nav gear/radar which is not cheap at all.
Even with a $20,000 dollar boat, you'd have to scale back your lifestyle considerably than if you lived on land.
https://blog.mint.com/consumer-iq/how-much-does-it-really-cost-to-own-a-boat-0713/

What if we tether some barges and put container houses on them?

>>11655157
No property tax, no sewage or trash pick up fees... rent out the rooms. Pipe in clean water and electricity.

>>11655157
I don't think barges would be particularly seaworthy, but the thought has crossed my mind that you could maybe put container houses on actual container ships at sea. They're suprisingly cheap since the massive dump in the baltic dry index since 2008. You can get 165 ft cargo ships with 2x1.2MW engines for around 1.5 million USD. I'm just not sure on the specifics of jacking into that energy supply for actual energy usage, as it's typically used to move the cargo ship. But assuming you could, diesel fuel for those generators is also now stupidly cheap courtesy of Venezuelan socialist stupidity, less than 0.01 USD per liter.

>>11655177
Crypto cities at sea.
What a fucking timeline.

I think we are on to something. Park it off the coast of Venezuela isla mujeres and make it luxurious.

>>11655189
reminds me of this text based RPG called Free Cities where you own a a prostitution harem on an an-cap island and you fight for the control of the world through sexual degeneracy and whoring your waifus

>>11655198
/biz parks off the coast of venezuela and fucks their choicest whores in luxury container condos arbitraging their shitty diesel to electricity for the world crypto mining on massive cargo ships from liquidated hanjin stock and still shitposting 2020.

Living the dream

>>11655232
I love the idea, but you degenerate motherfuckers are just begging for venezuelan knuckledraggers to take up piracy and make an example of you.

>>11655164
Are those commie blocks?

>>11655232
I'm starting an ICO, I'm going to use the code SINK.

>>11655299
The fuck is wrong with me? I unironically want to buy this and go live on a luxury container condo fucking vz whores and mining crypto till my dick falls off.

>>11655252
Commie blocks are cosy friend. Each unit comes with a free wall rug and a padded door with double ancient skelleton key locks.

>>11655228
lol, it's actually real
https://tfgames.site/index.php?module=viewgame&id=751

>>11655299
I would buy but include venezuelan passports and offshore bank accounts. I can throw in 30 grand. It wouldn't take many of us to make it happen.

>>11655372
So just quietly, I actually know a guy who may have some juice in Venezuela, and having googled fuel prices and cargo ships, it looks like >>11655177 is actually not lying.
https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1984/custom-geared-roro-cargo-ships-3123789/?refSource=browse%20listing for the cargo ship
https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/Venezuela/diesel_prices/ for the diesel prices.
I will talk to my contact and see if we could get some kind of official "we won't murder you for buying all our diesel and fucking all our whores" sanction... But would it really even be worth anything? I mean, it's fucking Venezuela, the place is a basket case.

>>11654978
What about weather storms anon? Are you going to factor out the possibilities of Mr. Goldberg whipping up a man made hurricane coming your way? What about border patrol you fucking idiot? Do you think there is no such thing as border police on water?

I shouldn’t have taken this level 3 bait seriously, all of you linkies are autists after all

>>11655402
If we are at sea we will need guns. Alternatively, what about an island settlement? We move to a protected beachfront area on isla mujeres and receive special treatment in return for our investment in the country. Think of it like blue frontiers but on land.

>>11655451
> DON'T DO IT GOY WE WILL SEND A HURRICANE AFTER YOU!
Artificial hurricans? Are you fucking serious? What is this, the x-files?
> BORDER PATROL WILL PICK YOU UP
Nigger you do realise thousands of people travel port to port on the ocean every fucking day and there's not the least thing about it which is in any way illegal, and OP has not in any way said that he is asking how he can evade coastguard customs inspections?

>>11655454
>what about an island settlement

You fucking autistic neets kill me.
What is this the 1500’s? Do you honestly think there is an ungoverned piece of land at this point in time?

>>11655491
Isla mujeres, we get rich and flip it like some are doing in puerto rico now.

>>11655491
yeah...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sentinel_Island
In all seriousness though someone is already trying to buy land for such a venture (https://www.freesociety.com/)), not coincidentally a bunch of prominent crypto people. But this particular venture is something that has been tried for decades now. The states of the world don't want the competition, so obviously it's a hard fucking thing.
By comparison a cruise ship with cargo container condos.. I've never heard anything like that before. I'm not sure if it's because it's fucking crazy or because nobody ever thought of it.

>>11655511
I meant margarita island.

>>11655522
lmao living in containers on a big ass ship

>>11655522
Frankly, I think it's probably a combination of the fact that nobody ever thought of it *while* the present market conditions were in play. BDI crashed hard in 2008 which is what caused distress in the shipping industry thus depressed container ship prices, Venezuelan fuel prices have only been this low a few years. The basic idea is not that dissimilar from the cruise ships that are designed for permanent residency like "The World" etc.
I'm not sure about the engineering aspect of hooking into the power supply of a cruise ship for what is effectively residential / industrial energy use rather than driving a massive propeller, and I'm not sure about the stability of the cargo container ship as a platform for actually deploying those container shipping houses, especially at sea, and especially at rough sea, but aside from that the basic idea does seem like it might actually work.

>>11655611
There's "living in containers" https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/02/23/13-people-suffocate-in-libya-shipping-container-tied-to-human-traffickers-aid-group.html and then there's "living in containers". http://liveincontainer.com/5-luxury-container-home-designs/

Not remotely the same thing.

>>11654978
>and a little bit of crypto mining gear for a cash crop
That is dumb on every level.
1. Mining isn't profitable
2. Mining is especially unprofitable at small scales
3. Miners are noisy and right next to your ears on your tiny boat.
4. Miners take up space on your tiny boat.
5. Your internet connection will be at best, poor and unreliable.
6. Miners need electricity which is very limited.

Just so dumb god dammit, OP.

>>11655522
>>11655624
Imagine that on an aircraft carrier hull.

>>11655624
>and I'm not sure about the stability of the cargo container ship as a platform for actually deploying those container shipping houses,
>I'm not sure about the stability of a cargo container ship to hold cargo containers
wew

>>11655643
You're dumb on every level
> 1. Mining isn't profitable
That's because of the price of electricity. If you're generating it from renewables like solar and wind, doesn't apply.
> 3. Miners are noisy and right next to your ears on your tiny boat.
Miners are noisy because they generate a lot of heat which they need to disperse, on a boat you're directly next to the largest potential heatsink in the world, if you're not taking advantage of it for cooling, you're as stupid as.. well, you.
> 4. Miners take up space on your tiny boat.
They're not that tiny. And you can pick the size you're comfortable with.
> 5. Your internet connection will be at best, poor and unreliable.
4g is not "poor and unreliable".
> 6. Miners need electricity which is very limited.
See 1.

>>11655660
Look at some of those cargo container designs, they actually call for significant weight / balance dispersal from a standard cargo container. Yes a cargo container ship could hold a fuckton of cargo containers, even if they were quite heavy, but what about the change in physical footprint from the deployment that goes with some of those designs? There are very few that maintain the basic cargo container footprint.

>>11655683
True that, but if we keep a simple stacked design yet make all the accomodations required, there's no reason for the ship to lose stability.
>ywn own a cargo city-fleet, including cargo-factories

>>11655670
You are never ever going to return your investment on miners, solar panels, wind turbines, and batteries.

>muh free cooling
People who profit from the heat in freezing climates don't make their money back on mining.

>>11655683
>>11655660
And let's not forget what we're talking about when it comes to the ocean. Shit can get fucking real.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiH-GsrihWw

>>11655716
We don't have to stack the containers crazy high, whatever is most stable. Some containers are stored below deck.

>>11655714
Solar panels are 0.23 USD kW and have a 30 year lifetime, let's be generous to you and call it 20. 8760 hours in a year * 20 = 175,200. You think you will not get enough from mining on that kW to pay back over 0.23 USD? That's completely absurd. Mining is profitable right now at about 0.04 USD kWh, the price per kWh for solar at 0.23 USD given a 20 year lifetime is 1.3142857142857142857142857142857e-6 USD.
Not only that, but you just flat out need energy on a modern liveaboard if you want any kind of quality of life, so you were going to be buying renewable sources anyway. Mining with them is just consuming excess once your batteries are full effectively.

>>11655728
I guess if you limit the potential footprints, and given the stability even that platform shows in those absurd conditions.. yeah, I suppose I think it could work? It just seems weird that it's so close and easy economically and nobody else is doing it.

>>11655740
>8760 hours in a year * 20 = 175,200
Yeah I forgot that sun is shining 24 hours a day 365 days a year at peak efficiency.
Agreed on the last part tho, that's not a bad idea.

>>11655747
>It just seems weird that it's so close and easy economically and nobody else is doing it.
I guess nobody wants to live on a cargo ship because it's fucking ugly.
A good idea to kickstart that would be to build in a cargo ship off the coast of some very expensive metropolis, say San Francisco or New York. There, you could rent your flats at market price and make a profit.

>>11655752
> Yeah I forgot that sun is shining 24 hours a day 365 days a year at peak efficiency.
Got me there I'll admit, still, that cuts the kWh figure in half, or in quarters at most. Still nowhere near even 0.01 kWh.

>>11655764
On the ugly front, I think the amount of attractive designs on those container houses might help there, the ship itself though I'm not sure.
> A good idea to kickstart that would be to build in a cargo ship off the coast of some very expensive metropolis, say San Francisco or New York. There, you could rent your flats at market price and make a profit.
Christ can you imagine the backlash from the city authorities? I can hear the REEEEE from here.

>>11655777
I'm saying it's not a bad idea to power miners on the surplus of electricity that would be lost, I'm not sure you'll have enough panel surface on a ship to power many miners in surplus of your energy consumpsion.

>>11655740
>Mining with them is just consuming excess once your batteries are full effectively.
If your miners are not running 24/7 you will not get your money back on them. There will be more efficient chips that will make your miners obsolete at anything above $0.00001/kWh.

Anything but the cheapest electricity is not profitable to mine with. Plenty of mining happens with stolen or basically stolen electricity. Solar panels are not even close for the cheapest sources. Your plans are the delusions of a retard.

>>11655792
>not running a cool boat bus service from your Liberty Boat to keep the city authorities happy and bring your tenants home
Not gonna make it

>>11655799
You're full of shit. Even an S7 is profitable right now on 0.03 USD kWh
If you think a significant fraction of global mining activity is done using stolen energy, I have a bridge to sell you. Global average for mining in my experience is about 0.03-0.05 USD kWh for suppliers with 10MW+ contracts with energy companies, and solar on a boat is a shitload cheaper than that if you needed the panels anyway for daily life.

>>11655793
Would depend on the size of the deck and investment in solar panels I'd imagine. That 32 ft in the first image probably not, but some of the bigger 50ft+ yachts? I would think you could put quite a bit of energy on them.

>>11655491
Just several years ago one dude claimed land because nobody owned it technically in the middle of several countries somewhere among the former iron curtain countries. Don't remember exact spot.

.

>>11654978
Short term storage is $3-5/foot per day though, so can easily run $100 bucks per day at the marinas. Of course in some places you can drop anchor and take the dinghy, but thats not always an option.

Basically OP, to save money living on a boat you gotta have it in long term storage sneaking on to it to sleep. Not the fun life you imagine it to be

Unironically Bulgaria. $20k for reasonable appartment

>>11655933
> Of course in some places you can drop anchor and take the dinghy, but thats not always an option.
I guess if you were aiming to minimize your expenses, you'd limit your potential destinations to the places it was. Looking around on marina prices though you're quite right, they can get pretty high.

>>11654978
based boatposter

>>11655900
Are you using the panels for daily life or mining? Any excess energy is just over investment and therefore wasted money, not free energy.

>>11655792
It’ll be the Kowloon walled city, on the high seas!

>>11655065
Starlink

>>11655982
You could take either route. Jam as much solar on as you can fit and use the energy for mining or some other energy intensive process that is practical to carry out on board, or just as much solar as you need regularly and put in minimal mining only to consume the excess. It'd be interesting to know which one would turn out most profitable.

>>11656084
How about using that 1.5 million USD cargo ship? I calculate given the deck area of that beast you're looking at about 230kW of solar energy. That's an extra 167 S9's you could potentially run off the solar ignoring the whole 1.2MW x2 diesel generators on board. I suspect none of those small yachts will be economical by comparison, as it is quite easy to spend over a million on one of those with way lower deck area than the aforementioned massive cargo ship, and I flat don't believe you will get a superyacht with similar dimensions to that cargo ship, either.

>>11656084
Solar is not cheap enough. You're competing with hydro and the cheapest dirtiest coal for a start. You can put solar panels anywhere. Did you think the ocean gave them special powers? To the extent that mining with solar panels is efficient, that efficiency has already been taken by another miner. This is obvious.

>>11656126
Eh, if you were going to do that you may as well make use of that 2.4MW of diesel generator and the cheap venezuelan fuel option anyway. Though you illustrate that solar is probably a waste for any kind of high scale mining on a boat just by the fact that even a boat of that scale can only potentially push 230kW.

>>11656138
Solar is one of the cheapest forms of energy available right now, you appear to be dealing with figures that are a few years out of date. The only stumbling block on solar is energy storage.

>>11656126
That would mean something like 200sqm, it's not that big.

>>11655792
I'm not paying fucking market rate for an apartment that I have to drive a boat to to get to work every day. What a nightmare

>>11655611
>>11655639
>>11655683
>>11655716
>>11655764
an actual crypto pirate ship idea, venezuela 'hydrocarbon slop' stored below deck, Kevin Costner Waterworld fantasiers.

top kekaroonies you scurvy scallywags

>>11656160
>not taking the uber-boat or the bus-boat

>>11656148
One of? It needs to be the cheapest. And then even if it is the cheapest, anyone can do it, meaning the are only tiny profit margins and only the largest scale operations can make money. Your boat has no advantages in what is a commodity market. How are you not getting this?

>>11656148
Solar is available everywhere, and flat surface to build panels is cheaper on land than on a boat. You'd be outpriced by someone with solar panels in the desert or something.

>>11655079
I know a faggot who bought a mid-size jet for $1.5 mil
He got completely JUST'd, because when technician found out the motors have to be replaced in 2 years at worst, and that costs $1.2 million
Bet some /biz/tard will buy it in a year

Boats have to be similar
It's a scam on richfags, but since they use them mostly to signal status they don't mind

>>11656177
How are you not getting that you're leveling criticisms at a whole raft of different potential solutions with different potential motivations and pretending like you've refuted anything at all?
Solution 1 is some small ass solar on a liveboard cat that powers a few miners for beer money, there's simply no question that this can be done and it will return more than it costs.
Solution 2 is the massive cargo ship with the 2.4MW of onboard diesel generators burning fuel at cost of lower than 0.01 USD per liter from VZ. And your point about "cheaper than that" would be just flatly wrong, there is no dispatchable energy source I know of that is cheaper than that, depending on how you amortize the cost of the cargo ship etc. But that one is a massive undertaking at a scale barely conceivable to solution 1 and is almost off topic aside from the fact that it's also being floated as a kind of city at sea simultaneously.
Basically you just seem to want to bitch loudly and have nfi what you're talking about.

>>11656170
That's still fucking awful in practal terms. Have you ever actually been on a boat? You'll be covered in saltwater and bird shirt before you even get to the city.

The idea does have some merit. I think the real play here is buying old cabin cruisers that aren't really servicable and parking them on some cheap land that you've purchased. It's cheaper than a shipping container or RV, but already fiitted for human habitation and are generally finished in wood and high quality materials. No building codes, no construction costs, no problems. how many hipsters would pay to sleep in a boat on their airbnb trip? This is a goldmine.

>>11656205
Good point, you'd want to get a survey on the hours on those engines, and the average time between failure on said engine, and the cost for replacement, etc.

>>11656214
You think you're going to rock up to Venezuela with your boat and receive diesel for one cent per liter? OK I'm done.

>>11656198
Yes, I think it comes down to the simple land solar being cheaper than marine solar if we're talking about large scale solar deployments.

Beyond the Horizon...

Lies a Secret....

To a New Shilling

>>11656259
https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/Venezuela/diesel_prices/
Maybe you're not aware of what's going on over there, but at the moment their country is fucked up and they desperately need cold hard foreign cash.

>>11656282
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/10/venezuela-crisis-fuel-driving-census-maduro
You are incomprehensibly stupid. Even the citizens can't get fuel at that price. You think they need cash so badly that they would go to a fuckton of effort to extract, refine, and deliver diesel to you for one cent per litre. Fucking hell really I'm done.

>>11656324
> lawl plebs at fuel stations with not 1 USD to their name are treated exactly the same to cargo ships from multinationals with million dollar bank accounts who roll up to state run fuel refineries.
k, it's good that you're done.

>>11656272
Thiel invested in something like that, didn't he?
Imagine the streetshitting into the water kek

>>11656338
There's no helping you. You have absolutely no hope.

Why not use a river barge like this and float up and down the Rhine or something? If you leave open an alley down the middle, looks like you can get 4*8 per level, basically as high as you can manage. No need to worry about shitty weather, always access to towns with utilities (esp if you have a few small companion boats).
But I have no idea what the costs would be for something like that, in terms of fuel and taxes/fees etc.

Here in Amsterdam we have student flats like this, might be a more efficient/livable way to stack them. Note that one square contains living 2 units back to back. I've heard of couples living in one unit but it's quite cramped really.

>>11656353
What exactly is he wrong about? I can't find any reference on that cargo ship for how much fuel it can actually hold, but let's just make a wild ass guess and say it's about 4.5 million gallons, which appears to be the average. So let's say you have the cash to pony up a full tank to VZ and you're not in a situation where that will get you assfucked by the US state department, that means you're effectively willing to and in a position to, assuming the fuel figures on that page are accurate and at the highest possible amount for the imprecision given in the label (0.009 USD per litre = 3.78541 litres per gallons = 0.03406869 USD per gallon * 4.5 mil = 153309.105)
You really think you're not going to be able to find a person in a position of power able to provide said amount of shitty VZ fuel for 153k USD in cold hard cash, given the state of that country right now? You could probably buy their mothers for that much.

>>11656386
Goyim cattle

>>11654978
Bust
Out
Another
Thousand

OP is a faggot. Instead of dayreaming he should be getting ready for the lunch rush.

>>11656372
Interesting approach, though I suspect that anything that means you're on some state's sovereign territory for the long haul means that they will try to fuck you. For example look at marine taxes way up the thread for SC, something like 10% of the value of the hull per year? that's fucking extortionate.

>>11656345
haha yeh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Thiel#Seasteading

>>11656372
Those barges are like 500k€ used, that's under 200sqm of building surface on it. I'd wager that a 200sqm terrain in a big city in europe is cheaper than that and building on it is easier. Not a bad idea tho.

>>11656403
>assuming the fuel figures on that page are accurate
Those are subsidized communist rates that
1. don't exist because communism collapsed as it always does
2. only look that cheap in USD because of hyperinflation the local currency

If that shithole was actually capable of producing diesel in sufficient volumes, there would be plenty of companies happy to take the stuff for almost anything below market value. $0.01 is utter delusion. New /biz/ is fucking terrible.

https://gallemakelaars.nl/scheepsaanbod/binnenvaartschip
These prices are quite low actually, you can get a 50m long barge for under 200k

>>11656435
River anchoring is actually pretty cheap. Generally the only problem is that the stable places are rare.

>>11654978
1. not a pleb thing
2. you can get one for as low as 50-70k

>>11654978
>a little bit of crypto mining gear for a cash crop

sounds like you don't know the difference between watts and megawatts

ARR ME HEARTIES, THIS SCURVY ANON IS A HOOK NOSED SHILL, TO THE DEPTHS!!!
>(possible scenario, unpoliced sovereign state)

>>11656574
Sergey Nazarov (in the blue berret) revolutionising the banking system.1681, colorized

>>11656470
Nobody questioned that they are cheap because VZ is a shithole, that was in fact the entire point of the play.
The real question is, can it be done? You're saying "NO COMMIES R BAD" and other guy is saying "Well, why not? They have the resources, they want to fucking cash, give a desperate whore enough money and she'll go ass to mouth".
I'm prone to lean in the direction of the other guy being right in the absence of any evidence to the contrary.

>>11656731
What the fuck is wrong with you can you read?

>They have the resources
No they don't. Nobody has the resources to produce 1c diesel, especially not Venezuela.

You are a fucking moron. Seriously, get your IQ tested and adjust your life plan based on that reality. That's the best advice I can give.

>>11656775
Now you're just making yourself look stupid
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/09/venezuela-significantly-increase-oil-exports-china-180919070322004.html

>>11656556
>>11656620
What is one of these things like on the inside? Anyone have direct personal experience for any extended period of time? It does look kind of pleb.

>>11656796
In what way do you think that article makes your point?

>>11656923
You're saying the resources aren't there, or that they're not delivering. That is demonstrably false. All everyone else is saying is that they're selling them for a super low price because they're desperate because retarded socialism. You may well have a point about it being unsustainable, I am pretty sure that's actually accurate. But for right now they have it, they're selling it extremely cheap, and you can probably buy it, and that's all there is to it.

For all this speculating about 1 million USD plus position of fuck you, it's worth mentioning the original reference to the position of fuck you using completely normie channels within the mainstream system was only a million worth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdfeXqHFmPI
That said, I guess this is actually the position of fuck you for many biz neets all living together on a cargo ship bordello off the coast of venezuela fucking whores, so.. It probably does work out cheaper on a per person basis.

>>11656961
No, retard. Take a look. They don't even have the production capacity to meet their current contracts. Even countries like China that invest billions of dollars can't get as much oil out of Venezuela as they'd like. They won't be selling it to you before China or Chevron.

Also nowhere did it say China is paying $0.01/L. That's because they're not. They'll be paying close to market rates. And that's for crude. You want diesel which costs more since it's refined from crude.

I have no idea why you took a stat from a shitty website about $0.00 diesel seriously. With your level of critical thinking I reckon you want to stay far away from /biz/ or you're going to keep losing money. Like I said, get that IQ test.

>>11654978
They say the two best days for boat owners are the day you buy it and the day you sell it

>>11656821
you don't need a full-fledged villa on wheels.
you only need a place to sleep, take a shower, eat something, take a dump, charge your phone and tablet. the bare essentials.
you want one of them to wake up to a different place every morning, while still spending most of your day outside. you don't care about a 5000sqft bathroom and an 'obese queen' sized bed. frugality does not equal to being bimbopoor rekt ChainLink bags owner.

google for 'kei camper'

>>11657146
You don't need much more than a backpack and a rifle if it really comes down to it, the question though is what quality of life do you have. Looking at those things I would think the answer is not great compared to say even a fairly small 32 ft liveaboard catamaran, letalone one of those river barges or a 20k apartment in bulgaria or any of the other ideas being thrown around...

>>11654978
Buying a boat with crypto and not losing money in the process is a challenge Ive thought about a fair bit. This is what Ive figured out so far. Prices are lowest in the Caribbean. California has the highest prices. Summer is the best time to buy winter is the best time to sell. Buy your boat near a crypto price peak if possible (Everything is a trade)

Now to break even on slip costs and maintenance you will have to charter out the boat. If you captain the boat for the charter you can get more money. If you cater the charter, you can get more money. (Im ex pro chef - so I would do this) If you run your charter business well you can maintain the boats costs. With the catering, maybe even draw a small salary. Sell the boat in San Diego before it loses to much value. This would preferable occur during crypto winter, allowing you to rebuy your bitcoin position with some profit to spare. Rent or whatever till crypto spikes again then buy another, maybe bigger, boat. Well thats the dream anyways.

>>11657081
Yeah they will
http://en.mercopress.com/2018/07/31/venezuela-scarce-gasoline-will-be-sold-only-to-the-politically-loyal
“The defense ministry now estimates unofficially that less than 15,000 b/d are smuggled by land out of Venezuela compared with over 100,000 b/d as recently as 2015,” a Venezuelan defense ministry official said. Some of the land-based smuggling has been displaced by more sophisticated illicit waterborne shipments from PDVSA terminals.
Read between the lines, the military / connected people are pilfering the shit and selling it on the black market for fuck all.
It's a dodgy as fuck operation and not something I'd be interested in actually doing given the risks and time horizon, but the obstinacy of your refusal to acknowledge the reality of the situation is just weird.

>>11656205

Nope. >>11655079 has the right idea here.
Boats are expensive luxuries when you have them in addition to your house. Richfags will buy an expensive boat, pay someone to maintain it, pay for mooring, and then use it maybe 12 times a year.
If you are living in the boat full time the calculation changes significantly. You can buy a boat much cheaper than a house, you don't have to pay tax to the local government, you don't pay for utilities either. Mooring is expensive but it if you know someone you can get cheap deals and plenty of people just illegally moor up. Sometimes to boat isn't even in good enough condition to sail, all it can do is sit in place and let someone live on it.
Wharfs are full of people who live in boats and live in poverty, we actually have a big problem with wharf bums stealing wood to burn in their boats when it gets cold.
The UK is probably the best place to do this as you can live in a canal boat. The canal network is huge and it means you can live in almost any major city.

>>11655079
a house appreciates in value or at least holds up against inflation while a boat disintegrates into nothing unless you pump a fortune into it constantly, and then it just disintegrates more slowly......retard

>>11655143
comfy

>>11657196
The smugglers might get it for nothing but you won't. Are you a politically loyal Venezuelan? No? Then diesel costs more than one cent. Once it hits the black market prices get real, fast. If you want an idea of what you'll be paying just look at Colombian prices on that site. 70c/L. That is closer to what you'd pay.

>>11656164
Kekalicious

>>11657189
Good advice it seems https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2011/hunter-50-center-cockpit-3227620/ this looks pretty comfy for 60k..

>>11657347
lol, k, so people are going to hike to vz and buy black market diesel for market price. sure. Maybe it's you who should be taking that IQ test. You have no idea how the world works when people are desperate.

>being an hydrocuck
>not owning land

Shall not make it.

>>11657376
lol, k, so people are going to hike to the border and sell black market diesel for $0.01.

>>11657407
They're selling it at sea straight from the PVDSA terminals on the sly, it said that quite directly in the article.. And yeah, these are the same people who are taking toilet paper and toothpaste packs for meritorious long service rewards. I daresay they're desperate enough to let sharks buy diesel for 0.01 USD.

>>11657398
You never own land, you just rent it from the psychopath with the gun who actually does, and even then, he doesn't own it, he just holds onto it until someone comes along and shoots him, and then you have to rent it from them instead, likey for more than prior.
This is often more trouble than it is actually worth.

>>11657438
Desperate doesn't mean retarded. They're doing it for money and they can certainly make more than a few cents per litre.

>>11657546
Well let's take a bet, we'll both pitch in 50% for some spic to LARP as a cargo ship captain, call a PVDSA terminal and ask them how much for 4.5 million gallons of diesel on the sly and see how far they can get with sufficient social engineering and cunning.
Any volunteers? I'd do it but I can't speak spanish.

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2013/custom-austal-wind-express-tri-swath-27-3009582/
BITCH I GOT DAT BITCON SWATH

>>11657587
I'm up for that. Right now I'm going to go to sleep but I would like to try that and see the outcome. Don't have a throwaway contact on hand but I'll check this thread tomorrow.

>>11656032
Holy fuck... why have the chinks not done this yet?

To tired forgot pic

>>11654978
Wait, you want to mine on a boat off solar and wind?

>>11657728
Come to think of it, aren't they doing weird shit in the south china seas right now?

>>11657312
I think this guy has a point, the equation at the end of the day would probably not be owning a house on land vs owning a boat, it would probably be more like viable lifetime living in a boat given long term disintegration offset by maintenance costs, vs just renting a place.
Unlikely that the boat turns out cheaper than renting in typical hipster "digital nomad" locations like Chiang Mai, Croatia, Bulgaria etc.

>>11657712
Both of them

>>11657189
Quality post

boat seller in da haus

>>11654978

If it floats, flies, or fucks... rent