/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>11636278
Because I benefit from it.

>>11636278
because so far it has been the best system by far.

all commies should be tortured and their heads paraded on sticks

>>11636278

capitalism isnt inherintely bad i guess,

but when its controlled by a bunch of sleezy banking kikes trying to fund ww3.. everyone gets JUSTd.

a truly decentralized currency would help alliviate this problem a lot.. but right now the population is at the mercy of those at the top of the pyramid

Literally no better alternative

>>11636278
out of all systems humen build so far, it has the msot meritocratic approach

The capitalist system is the most efficient system for relocating resources and has allowed the most people to improve their condition and increase their economic mobility comparative to other economic system but it is not without fault. Financial market can be manipulated, hyper capitalism can push for materialism/narcissism and big financiers can use their money to lobby for policies that are counter intuitive to the future success of a nation(globalism). In my opinion for capitalism to succeed you need some type of fascist or authoritarian government to manage the future success and direction of the country IE china or Franco.

'Capitalism' is a term coined by the Marxist press in the 19th century. Originally intended as an insult, relating that the profit motive was all that stimulated civil life in traditional societies, it has been taken up by Americans as an accurate description of their social system. Largely because Americans are stupid. The complex entities that are our western societies cannot ever simply be described as such, and anyone who claims he is motive is purely financial profit is a fool. The absurdity of the criticism belies the absurdity of the critic, also. You live in a society of common law, public representation and private property, be thankful for it you little dick.

>>11636379
So what would your response be to this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzEl5RIMp7M

>>11636414
what out anon, that one OCD spaz anon is going to show up and mention disraeli

>>11636440

>whats my opinion on a 10min vid of a guy giving his opinion on a system that has never existed before.

I guess I think it wouldn't work. You need a central figure to be a moderator in civil disputes and to protect property rights in order for capitalism to work at a societal level.

I don't. I don't pay taxes into a Jewish designed debt system. I do not contribute to a broken system. I am part of a global citizenship using mathematics to secure humanity's financial freedom.

>>11636289
this is the truth most are unwilling to accept but it's the only truth nonetheless
capitalism IS inherently bad.
Property is theft and no reasonable person would deny that

>>11636549

Your system would lead to people living in mud huts and dieing of malnurishment when their farms to produce their expected yields.

this shouldn't even be a question in a board not utterly infested with normalfags
capitalism is the only system in which the atypical has any chance of survival. the more socialist/communist in a society, the more persecution for those too far from the norm

>>11636278
Death to all collectivists. Maintaining free markets and free minds is our only hope of getting off this rock as a species.

>>11636278
Lived in gommunizm.
t. East Yuro Fag
Now it is incomparably better
Own a fucking house, my fucking company, cars, vacations. Even own fucking US stocks.
Am simply happy all day everyday !
t. 45 yo goner

>>11636579
>explicitly advocating for atypes to survive
>stupid argument based on some imaginary moving mean

>>11636569
anon didn't mention his ideology, you're capitalist adled brain made some pretty big assumptions.
on the other hand, we know capitalism leads to living in broken down vehicles and living a life strung along on food with no nutritional value.
well done.

>>11636605

At least they have shit to eat and objects to live in.

>>11636625
>capitalist realism intensifies

>>11636549
Surplus value extracted from labor is much bigger. People have no idea how much money companies make off their labor.

>>11636605
>advocating for normie society
>ever
you're here
on 4chan
you have facebook, twitter, reddit, literally every place on the internet is favorable to your opinions and your way of being
yet you come to one place that used to be different until your numbers changed the place
normiedom is literal cancer, spreading and consuming until all that remains is waste
you faggots are ruining the earth and in just a few centuries there won't be anything left even for your kind
a humane society would sterilize normies. at least it's kind of what we're doing as most of you fall for nihilist memes and end up wageslaving and traveling instead of making af amily

>>11636278
Capitalism isn't an ideology. Nobody invented it, they just noticed it was happening and studied it. It's a natural process. It's another word for life.

I don't 100% "support capitalism", whatever that means, it does need wise regulation by a small government to stop things like rivers being polluted by industrial waste. But generally it's just... life. You work hard or you starve, unless you're lucky enough for some other people to care about you and give you stuff.

>>11636664
Ive literally been using 4chan since 2006.
This is my first image in my /b/ folder.
I singlehandedly suggested to moot to instate the 4chan pass, saving the final future of this shit hole. (g00k has gone on to ruin)
The value of 4chan isn't that it's the last bastion for weirdos, it's that the signal to noise value is so loud you have to create your own opinion.

>>11636549

Theft from who?

>>11636549
safety is a big value you didnt include

>>11636740
s/final future/financial future

>>11636727
>tfw you've been cucked so hard by an ideology that you actually believe it's an extension of some immutable natural law

Better than any other lism

>>11636766
Show me the capitalist manifesto. Tell me who invented it, when and by what authority it was instigated.

>>11636766
>>11636780
Thought not. Pathetic.

>>11636780
>hur dur I know how to play the game, but I don't know any of the rules

if you were smart you would know that rent-seeking is the end game of this shitcoaster and would be pursuing that route as quickly as possible.

>>11636814
even your prophet adam smith was concerned that rent seeking would ruin capitalism.

His ever important invisible hand wasn't regarding efficient markets, it was some magical mechanism dissuading globalism.

But now you've got both and capitalism is on it's last legs.

I could tell you what happens next, but I don't think it'd make sense to you.

>>11636591
the absolute state of ancap retards who follow and ideology that's never been practiced and never will

>>11636817
Obviously neo-classical, Reagan/ Thatcherism is fucking awful, soulless corporate slavery. Capitalism unregulated leads to this. I mean we pretty much have anarcho-capitalism. Rich people don't get punished for crimes, hire their own police, and buy political power.

But capitalism itself is simply a natural phenomenon- people working for their own benefit. So is true socialism- people looking after each other. It's down to a people to form a strong state that can balance the two forces for the common benefit. That's what's lacking today; national unity to oppose selfish interest. A planned, centralised economy is not the answer. Have some imagination and don't blindly follow an ideology.

I don't do. Capitalism is the mass foolishment system where you have to inherit or almost sell your soul to get something and at the same way others can create "wealth" from nothing just because "yes".

Almost everyone get fooled that we live in a fair and trustable system but we don't. Usury profit is higher than most of the real activities.

>>11636909
>that fucking appeal to nature fallacy
try harder faggot

Reaganism/Thatcherism is an evolution of Capitalism that was unavoidable.
If you read Papa Marx's book up there you would have known already.

The rest of your ideological drivel makes literally no sense. Capital will always find a way of procuring more capital. It's literally an economic cancer.

If you want to argue that the only way to reign in capital is to have some national unity, go read Karl Polyani's Great Transformation. He describes how Capitalism will turn into Fascism.

>Have some imagination and don't blindly follow an ideology.
you're the one stumping for the long capitalist cock that fucks you five days a week.

I don't, but I am leveraging the capitalistic system so I can get out and live on St. Kitts and chill with my boy Ver

>>11636289
Literally this
If I didn't live in a capitalist country then I'd be a poorfag

>>11636549
than you should just drawn yourself because you're statistically eating and drinking water and breathing something that some random poor thing somewhere doesn't have because of you

>>11636278
I dont "support capitalism", capitalism is just what happens when you don't adopt retarded communist policies that end up making everyone poor and hungry.

The communists have proven incompetent and murderous of their own people on a massive scale whenever they've sniffed the top. The pyramid's not going anywhere, I'd rather live under a muslim king than you chucklefucks. At least a merely selfish ruler is largely happy as long as the taxes come in, there is no bottom for satiating those demanding ideological purity.

>>11637007
>nature is wrong if I wish hard enough
>thinks defining capitalism and saying it's natural but needs to be reigned is shilling for capitalism
>thinks pascal distribution is an argument against one specific system

You commies are just plain dumb. You come here spewing ad hominems to anyone who rationally disagrees with you, and you literally don't know anything. Its pretty funny. You clearly have no brain.

>>11636549
How stupid you have to be to make your arguments using the labour theory of value?

The saddest part is that the LTV wasn't a marxist invention but it was actually Adam Smith who came up with it, marxists just appropriated the stupidest part of his thinking and discarded all the actually valuable stuff..

>>11636549
>Property is theft and no reasonable person would deny that
lol sure my house somehow steals from other houses, right.

>>11636605
>on the other hand, we know capitalism leads to living in broken down vehicles and living a life strung along on food with no nutritional value.

in capitalism that only true for the dumbest 1-3%. in communism, only the most statist 1-3% dont live like that.

>>11637007
>He describes how Capitalism will turn into Fascism.
Fucking lol I bet he thinks Italians turned Fascist due to capitalism, huh?

I find it incredible there is so much left for the rest of us, in the west at least, with the amount locked up by the top tiers in the world

>>11636278
because i'm not stupid enough to think that we have lived in a truly capitalist society for the past hundred years, let alone think that capitalism is responsible for the fucking shuddering downfall in civility and intellect that we've suffered in that time when its fragments have been the sole single thing that has been protecting western civilization

>>11636278
because i dont completely hate money and i enjoy actually eating food 3 times a day. also, im not a cannibal and have a 138 IQ.

>>11637007
Social consturctionists need to be lined up and shot. Essentialism or bust. I bet you also belive that there are no biological differences betweeen men and women either, you fucking cretin.

>>11636549
Theft from who? Before "property," how can you steal something that doesn't belong to anyone?

Why do i support capitalism ? Because beautiful things like tronbet.pro can be built

>>11636899
Every authoritarian empire eventually collapses. Rome, Nazi Germany, the USSR. And someday our current empire, which relies on locking people in cages for nonviolent crimes, will also fall. Would you rather have children that require threats of punishment in order to behave or would you rather have children that learn to behave without being punished? Our system is holding humanity back! Like a crutch it’s preventing us from growing and adapting to FREEDOM and responsibility! People get lazy and RELY on government instead of learning to handle their own problems! But no one wants to declare anarchy tomorrow! We have an OBLIGATION to make sure we have as little authoritarian VIOLENCE as possible! And one day that will mean NO AUTHORITARIANISM! Imagine when humans colonize the solar system? Are we going to boss around another fucking planet or someone deep in space?

AND a lawless society is not a RULELESS society! When people go to church camp they follow additional rules because they will get kicked out if they dont! IF you dont like what someone is doing then you ARE allowed to kick them off your property!! And communities can figure out who owns what! And you dont need police because you can hire security and have mutual defensive pacts with your neighbors! AND YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS TELLING ANOTHER COMPANY WHAT TO DO!!!

>>11637007
>If you read Papa Marx's book up there you would have known already.
dogma

IF YOU ARE SO CONFIDENT IN YOUR IDEOLOGY THEN I FUCKING DARE YOU TO READ "THE GULAG ARCHIPELAGO"

IT IS YOUR OBLIGATION TO EMPATHIZE WITH YOUR OPPOSITION IN ORDER TO FIND TRUTH AND RATIONALE AS I AM DOING NOW!! I HAVE READ MARX'S "CAPITAL," AND NOW IT IS YOUR TURN:

EBOOK: https://archive.org/details/TheGulagArchipelago-Threevolumes/page/n33

AUDIOBOOK: https://youtu.be/d5InIwcWESk

YOU HAVE NO EXCUSE.. IF YOU REFUSE IT IS SURELY BECAUSE YOU ARE SCARED OF CHALLENGING YOUR OWN EGO SERVING BOURGEOIS ENTITLED DOGMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (only a spoiled brat could hold these opinions)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes

IT WASNT REAL COMMUNISM REeeeeeeeeeeee

LATE STAGE COMMUNISM REeeeeeeeeeee


HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT ABOUT HOW PREJUDICE YOU ARE AGAINST RICH PEOPLE!! YOU ARE RICHIST!! AND THE RICH PEOPLE ARE THE ONES MAKING YOUR LUXURIOUS WESTERN LIFESTYLE WITH ALL ITS OPPORTUNITIES POSSIBLE!! RIGHT NOW, THANKS TO CAPITALISM YOU ARE READING THIS WITH THE MOST POWERFUL MEANS OF PRODUCTION THE WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN!! THE COMPUTER!! WITH A COMPUTER YOU CAN CONNECT TO THE GREATEST MARKET EVER CREATED AND SELL YOUR DIGITAL WAREZ!! I MAKE MONEY SITTING AT HOME IN MY UNDERPANTS!! NO MORE IS THERE A BARRIER BETWEEN YOU AND WHAT THE COMMUNISTS CALLED THE INTELLIGENTSIA!!!! YOU ARE PART OF THE PRIVILEGED ACADEMIC INTELLECTUAL CLASS!! I AM ABLE TO SUPPORT MYSELF FINANCIALLY WITH A COMMERCIAL GRADE WORKSTATION I PURCHASED SECOND HAND FROM A CORPORATION AND IS ABLE TO RUN ALL THE PROGRAMS I NEED TO PRODUCE WEALTH!!
LOOK HOW EASY IT IS TO GET FUNDING FOR YOUR DREAMS?! YOU CAN EASILY GET A BUSINESS LOAN!! OR YOU CAN CROWD FUND??! YOU COULD EVEN GET CROWD FUNDING TO PAY FOR YOUR HEALTHCARE OR YOU COULD FUND A COOP OR COMMUNE?! WHY DONT YOU DO THAT INSTEAD OF ADVOCATING FOR MORE HORRIBLE VIOLENCE YOU INSOLENT SWINE?! WHY DONT LEFTISTS EVER DONATE TO CHARITY AND WHY DO RIGHT WING CHRISTIAN CHURCHES TAKE CARE OF THE HOMELESS IN THE UNITED STATES INSTEAD OF THE PEOPLE SAYING WE NEED TO STEAL FROM THE RICH TO HELP THE POOR?!!? IF YOU BELIEVE IN DEMOCRACY WHY DONT YOU BELIEVE IN VOLUNTARY CHARITY!?! IF MORE THAN 50 PERCENT OF PEOPLE WOULD DONATE THEN SURELY WE COULD HELP THOSE WHO ARE TRULY UNFORTUNATE!?

HERE IS A VIDEO CALLED "HOW TO GET THE FUCKING MONEY" AND IT'S ABOUT HOW FUCKING EASY IT IS TO GET MONEY TO FUND YOUR BUSINESS PLANS OR DREAMS!!! THESE ARE RICH PEOPLE MAKING THAT POSSIBLE! YET YOU UNGRATEFUL FUCKS BLAME BLAME BLAME AND WANT TO BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS!! YOU DONT

https://youtu.be/YjcIRQuCXr0

>>11638001
https://www.businessinsider.com/i-make-work-in-californias-tech-industry-and-i-live-in-my-car-2018-4?IR=T

>>11638433
You don't know what fascism is do you?
Americans believe it's something that could only infect eurotrash, but pride goes before the fall. The truth is that europeans have already come to grips with the fact that monster can live within them, Americans have yet to realize this.

>>11639472
We live in a post-scarcity world.
Of course the remaining paradigm we live in has been constructed by social conventions.
And no, men and women are different and receive different programing, from nature and nurture.

>>11637694
There's not even much I can say to you, except you think my argument somehow hinges on an ad hom, and then you throw out an ad hom.
Facts don't have to be palatable to be true.

>>11639977
they think you are entitled to wealth from labor

they think if you go out in the middle of the street and dig a hole then you deserve money for it

Smart people win, dumb people lose. As it should be.

>>11640125
>You don't know what fascism is do you?
>implying implications
Capitalism doesn't lead to fascism lol. People only focus on the nazi and never italy.

>>11640125
YOU DONTFUCKING DESERVE CAPITALISM YOU FUCKING DOG!!!! YOU DESERVE TO ROT IN YOUR OWN ENVIOUS FILTH AND CONDEMNATION! HAVE YOU NO SENSE OF HONOR OR GAMESMANSHIP!? BUT MATTERS NOT BECAUSE CAPITALISM IS LIKE JESUS AND WILL FORGIVE YOU NO MATTER WHAT YOUR SINS AND BLESS YOU WITH LIMITLESS PROSPERITY ONCE YOU DECIDE TO REPENT AND LET GO OF THE MARXIST DEMON CLUTCHING YOUR SOUL AND YOUR BALLS!!! LOOK HOW EASY IT IS TO GET MONEY: https://youtu.be/YjcIRQuCXr0

THE MARKET WILL REWARD YOU IF YOU WORK HARD AND HAVE FAITH IN NOT ONLY THE MARKET BUT YOURSELF!! IF YOU BUILD IT THEY WILL CUM!!!! I HAVE SEEN WITH MY OWN TWO EYES HOW QUICKLY A PERSON CAN LEARN TO SUPPORT THEMSELVES FINANCIALLY USING THE COMPUTER AND INTERNET! THE GREATEST MEANS OF PRODUCTION EVER CONCEIVED!! AND YOU DONT EVEN HAVE TO MOVE YOUR BIG LAZY ASS!! YOU CAN LITERALLY MAKE MONEY IN BETWEEN MASTURBATION SESSIONS!! EVEN KARL MARXX WOULD BE PROUD!!... THAT DEGENERATE SMELLY FUCK!! I HEARD MARX SMELT LIKE SULFUR BECAUSE HE WAS POSSESSED BY 666 BEELZEBUB!!

NO MORE DOES MAN REQUIRE A FACTORY OR A FARM OR LAND TO MAKE MONEY AND SUPPORT HIMSELF!! BUT RATHER ALL YOU NEED TO MAKE A BUCK IS THE 20 DOLLARS THAT IS REQUIRED TO PURCHASE A SECOND HAND WORKSTATION CLASS COMPUTER ON EBAY AND INSTALL LINUX ON IT!!
LINUX WAS A DECENTRALIZED PROJECT BTW AND LINUS TORVALDS SPECIFICALLY CREATED GIT (GITHUB) SO HE COULD WORK ON LINUX IN HIS UNDERPANTS!! THIS WOULD NEVER FLY IN COMMUNISM BECAUSE THE PARTY LEADERS AND FOREMEN WOULD REQUIRE WORKERS TO REPORT TO THE OFFICE EVERY MORNING AND IF THEY ARE LATE THEY WOULD GET SENT TO THE GULAG!! HAVE YOU EVER WORKED FOR GOVERNMENT!!?!??!?! SO MUCH WASTE YET THEY ALWAYS REQUIRE YOU TO BE THERE AND MOST IMPORTANTLY LOOK BUSY AND JUST NOT GET ANYONE IN TROUBEL!! YET THEY WASTE SOOO MUCH MONEY!! THE DEFINITION OF CORRUPTION AND A DEMON OF EFFICIENCY AND SLAVERY!!!

>>11636278

Don't mean to sound like an incel here but how would sexual inequality be dealt with in a communist society? With capitalism if you want to fuck hot girls you have to either be a Chad or have money. If we removed wealth inequality then only the Chads would get the hot girls and if you weren't born with top tier genetics you'd be SOL. There isn't a way to redistribute height or jawlines.

>>11640125
How come cost of living correlates to the amount of socialism in a country? Sweden has one of the highest costs of living? Then united states then the developing world. This is correlated to the amount of forceful socialism. Socialist institutions don't want cost of living to be low because then the people wont need them and can hop off the hamster wheel that they engineered for them. Notice how capitalism brought the cost of the computer, the most powerful means of production in history, to the point where you can buy a second hand workstation for 50 bucks and make a living with it. The same could be done with sustainable living, like biofuel reactors, aeroponic gardens for food, and 3D printers. But the socialists NEED people to NEED them and they will fight against decentralization!

THE SOCIALIST INSTITUTION NEEDS PEOPLE CRAWLING ON THEIR HANDS AND KNEES TO THE WELFARE OFFICE OR THE BREAD LINE!! AND BERNIE SANDERS LITERALLY SAID BREAD LINES ARE A GOOD THING!! HOW PITIFUL IS THE BRAIN OF THE ENVIOUS AND UNIMAGINATIVE SOCIALISTS! CAPITALISM UNLOCKS THE POWER OF CREATIVITY AND WILL LEAD US TO A POST SCARCITY SITUATION WHERE THE BOTTOM 80 PERCENT WILL HAVE MORE PURCHASING POWER THAN A KING! JUST LIKE WE HAVE OUR CHEAP COMPUTERS NOW.. SOON THE SOCIALISTS WILL BE DEFEATED AND THE COST OF GROWING OUR OWN FOOD WITH AEROPONIC GARDENS, PRODUCING OUR OWN BIOFUEL, AND PRODUCING OUR OWN COMPLICATED MECHANICAL PARTS WITH CHEAP 3D PRINTERS ON OUR OWN PROPERTY! WITH CAPITALISM WE WILL SURELY REACH THE STARS!

THIS IS WHY THE CANCER OF COMMUNISM IS LITERALLY THE MOST DANGEROUS THING FOR THE SURVIVAL OF THE HUMAN SPECIES!! LOOK WHO IS DRIVING INNOVATION WITH SPACE COLONIZATION!!! CAPITALISTS!!!! COMMUNIST PIGS WILL ALWAYS SAY THAT SPACE TECH IS A WASTE.. EXCEPT FOR MISSILES TO BLOW UP THE PLANET, AND WILL ALWAYS SEEK TO DISTRIBUTE WEALTH AMONG THOSE WHO WASTE IT.. BEFORE EXPONENTIAL GROWTH AND INNOVATION IS REACHED!! COMMUNISTS WOULD NEVER CURE DISEASES!!!

>>11640125
>capitalism becomes fascism

LOOK WHO JACKS UP THE PRICES OF DRUGS!! THE GOVERNMENT!! THEY REQUIRE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF CLINICAL TRIALS BEFORE SOMETHING CAN MAKE IT TO MARKET!! THIS IS HOW THEY PREVENTED MALE BIRTHCONTROL FROM CUMMING TO MARKET BECAUSE IT WOULD INTERFERE WITH THEIR HORMONAL BIRTH CONTROL MONOPOLY!!

THERE WILL ALWAYS BE BRIBERY AS LONG AS THERE IS AUTHORITY!! THE LEFTIST SOLUTION IS TO GIVE MORE MONEY AND POWER TO THE CENTRAL AUTHORITY!! LOOK WHAT THAT ACCOMPLISHED.. BRIBES WERE COMMON IN THE SOVIET UNION AND THE RUSSIAN MOB BECAME THE MOST POWERFUL CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION EVER ALONG WITH THE CHINESE TRIADS!! THEY ONLY STRENGTHEN BLACK MARKETS!! THE SOLUTION IS TO GET RID OF AUTHORITARIANISM ALL TOGETHER AND ALLOW PEOPLE DOMINION OF THEIR OWN DOMAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>11640125
National socialism is just socialism lite and KILLED 3 TIMES LESS PEOPLE (20 mil vs 40-80 mil with marxism which we will take the average as 60 mil).. kinda like democratic socialism. Way less scary to. I'd a million times rather live in Nazi Germany than the USSR or North Korea. Even in the military the nazis at least gave their men guns while communists literally had to fight each other for a rifle.. I mean could you imagine something more terrifying and dehumanizing than the holocaust?? OH yeah communists, who strip you of all your humanity even if you are one of the party members although you'd most likely end up in one of their death camps.. aka gulags. AND DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM IMPRISONS MILLIONS OF NON VIOLENT PEOPLE JUST LIKE NATIONAL SOCIALISM!!! BOTH HITLER AND THE EU PUT DRUG ADDICTS, DRUG USERS, AND DRUG SELLERS INTO CAGES/CAMPS!! YOU ARE NAZI PIGU!!!!

At least in Nazi Germany if you didn't arouse suspicion you could still get luxuries and sell things.. although people would try to rat eachother out all the time like ANY FORM OF SOCIALISM BREEDS!! Notice how today people are so quick to point the finger online and accuse people or narc them out for non violent crimes just because they dont like them! The french started doing this and the nazis were used as a means of getting revenge on your neighbor for personal matters.. but only rat shit fuck narc tattle tail pieces of shit like you would rat out their neighbor! THIS IS WHY THE STATE LIKES TO PROMOTE THE #METOO MOVEMENT BECAUSE IT CREATES PARANOIA WHERE EVERYONE THINKS THEIR NEIGHBOR IS GUILTY OF SOMETHING WHILE BEING AFRAID THAT ONE OF THE LITTLE MISTAKES THEY HAVE MADE THROUGHOUT THEIR LIFE MIGHT BE EXPOSED AND BECAUSE OF THAT THEY WILL GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO POINT THE FINGER AT THEIR NEIGHBORS AND POINT OUT THEIR LITTLE HUMAN MISTAKES AND EXXAGERATE THEM BECAUSE WE ARE ALL AFRAID AND DIVIDED!!!!!!!

>>11640170
>>11640149
>>11640144
good god goys, you're beyond help.

>>11640163
the thing is you believe women pick partners based on a set of qualities that is most valuable in a capitalist market.
They are all quiet literally golddiggers.
Without the profit motive incentive, even women find other things to value.
This article is a little bit shit, but the testimonies illustrate that capitalism even commodifies romance.

good night.

>>11640125
MY IMPRESSION OF YOU:
>REeeee TOTALITARIAN VIOLENCE AND MASS KILLINGS IS JUST FINE AS LONG AS IT'S NOT PRIMARILY BASED ON RACE OR ETHNICITY REeeeEEE

HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT ABOUT HOW PREJUDICE YOU ARE AGAINST RICH PEOPLE!! YOU ARE RICHIST!! AND THE RICH PEOPLE ARE THE ONES MAKING YOUR LUXURIOUS WESTERN LIFESTYLE WITH ALL ITS OPPORTUNITIES POSSIBLE!! RIGHT NOW, THANKS TO CAPITALISM YOU ARE READING THIS WITH THE MOST POWERFUL MEANS OF PRODUCTION THE WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN!! THE COMPUTER!! WITH A COMPUTER YOU CAN CONNECT TO THE GREATEST MARKET EVER CREATED AND SELL YOUR DIGITAL WAREZ!! I MAKE MONEY SITTING AT HOME IN MY UNDERPANTS!! NO MORE IS THERE A BARRIER BETWEEN YOU AND WHAT THE COMMUNISTS CALLED THE INTELLIGENTSIA!!!! YOU ARE PART OF THE PRIVILEGED ACADEMIC INTELLECTUAL CLASS!! I AM ABLE TO SUPPORT MYSELF FINANCIALLY WITH A COMMERCIAL GRADE WORKSTATION I PURCHASED SECOND HAND FROM A CORPORATION AND IS ABLE TO RUN ALL THE PROGRAMS I NEED TO PRODUCE WEALTH!!

LOOK HOW EASY IT IS TO GET FUNDING FOR YOUR DREAMS?! YOU CAN EASILY GET A BUSINESS LOAN!! OR YOU CAN CROWD FUND??! YOU COULD EVEN GET CROWD FUNDING TO PAY FOR YOUR HEALTHCARE OR YOU COULD FUND A COOP OR COMMUNE?! WHY DONT YOU DO THAT INSTEAD OF ADVOCATING FOR MORE HORRIBLE VIOLENCE YOU INSOLENT SWINE?! WHY DONT LEFTISTS EVER DONATE TO CHARITY AND WHY DO RIGHT WING CHRISTIAN CHURCHES TAKE CARE OF THE HOMELESS IN THE UNITED STATES INSTEAD OF THE PEOPLE SAYING WE NEED TO STEAL FROM THE RICH TO HELP THE POOR?!!? IF YOU BELIEVE IN DEMOCRACY WHY DONT YOU BELIEVE IN VOLUNTARY CHARITY!?! IF MORE THAN 50 PERCENT OF PEOPLE WOULD DONATE THEN SURELY WE COULD HELP THOSE WHO ARE TRULY UNFORTUNATE!?

>>11640215
shit sorry, forgot the link
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/opinion/why-women-had-better-sex-under-socialism.html

>>11640215
>good god goys, you're beyond help.
>capitalism requires limited government to not create monopolies and allow for the flow of the free market
>lol capitalism will make the government bigger :^)

>>11640215
and he gives up and resorts to personal attacks

that's what i thought faggot FOH

>>11640227
>https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/opinion/why-women-had-better-sex-under-socialism.html
lol they had better sex because they had literally nothing else to do

>>11640227
>https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/opinion/why-women-had-better-sex-under-socialism.html
annnd corporate propaganda

something tells me youre an ancap just masquerading to strengthen your own understanding of communism.. i do that sometimes.. not bad but i think there are some stronger points you can make and you havent posted that one essay yet about anarcho socialism that is actually fucking retarded but leftists go nuts over it and we need to learn how to defuse it like the inception mind virus that it is

>>11640227
also there was wayyyy more rape under communism and women were told to just cook and clean and stfu because there was a shortage of men because so many of them died or got sent to gulags

>>11640227
lol that article shills farming collectives but..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivization_in_the_Soviet_Union
>Peasants viewed collectivization as the end of the world.[11] By no means was joining the collective farm (also known as the kolkhoz) voluntary. The drive to collectivize came without peasant support.
>During the Famine of 1932-33 it's estimated that 7.8-8.1 million people died from starvation.[42] The implication is that the total death toll (both direct and indirect) for Stalin's collectivization program was on the order of 12 million people.
>most historians agree that the disruption caused by collectivization and the resistance of the peasants significantly contributed to the Great Famine of 1932–1933, especially in Ukraine, a region famous for its rich soil (chernozem). This particular period is called "Holodomor" in Ukrainian. During the similar famines of 1921–1923, numerous campaigns – inside the country, as well as internationally – were held to raise money and food in support of the population of the affected regions. Nothing similar was done during the drought of 1932–1933, mainly because the information about the disaster was suppressed by Stalin.

imagine your family and village starving but you are forced to send the grain from your farm to elite communist party members in the capital district.. COMMUNISM CONCENTRATES POWER IN EVEN FEWER PEOPLE THAN CAPITALISM

AT LEAST IN A PARETO DISTRIBUTION THERE IS NO LIMIT TO THE COMFORT OF THE BOTTOM 80 PERCENT!! WE CAN REACH POST SCARCITY WHERE THE POOREST PEOPLE HAVE THE PURCHASING POWER OF KINGS AT WALMART!!!!!!!! AND DONT GIVE ME THE CHINESE LABOR STRAWMAN BECAUSE AUTOMIZATION AND 3D PRINTERS!!!!

>>11636278
Free market capitalism is the only proven system that works.

because it's the best system we have until we can use blockchain and AI for corruption free governance

>>11640398
>wanting to cu.ck yourself to a robot

you cant make this up

leftists literally are just begging to be dominated by someone or something

daddy issues???

>>11636278

>>11640484
exactly why we have an obligation TO HAVE AS LITTLE AUTHORITARIAN VIOLENCE AS POSSIBLE

GULAGS ARE LIKE THE SACRIFICIAL INCA TEMPLES!!

I've yet to see anyone disprove 7vBZ2Qg1.

>>11640433
who said AI over lord? AI can properly represent the interests of citizens, unlike the corrupt fuck politicians who go house knocking fooling constituents into believing they care about their problems but just end up doing whatever their biggest donors or whoever want instead

>>11640600
K SO YOU WANT A FACEBOOK ALGO TO DIRECT THE VIOLENCE OF A LEFTIST MOB TO CU.CK YOU MORE EFFICIENTLY!!!

ANY KIND OF CENTRALIZED SYSTEM IS GOING TO PRODUCE COLLATERAL DAMAGE!!!! YOU LIKE HOW YOUTUBE FLAGS VIDEOS RANDOMLY???? YOU WANT PEOPLE TO BE RANDOMLY TAKEN TO THE GULAG??? OH WAIT THAT ALREADY HAPPENED AND STILL HAPPENS???

YOU HAVE THIS INNATE DESIRE TO BE PART OF SOMETHING GREATER AND TO HAVE A PARENTAL GOVERNMENT CONTROL YOUR LIFE CHOICES AND YOU ARE INSENSITIVE TO THOSE THAT LOATH THAT KIND OF EXISTENCE AND WHO WILL BECOME VICTIMS!!!

HAVE YOU READ THE GULAG ARCHIPELAGO???

EBOOK: https://archive.org/details/TheGulagArchipelago-Threevolumes/page/n33

AUDIOBOOK: https://youtu.be/d5InIwcWESk

YOU LIKE HOW THE MODERN DRUG WAR AND PRISON INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX FUNCTIONS???? WHY DO YOU WANT THAT ON STEROIDS????

YOU JUST LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE BEING TOLD WHAT TO DO BY OTHER MEN OR EVEN ROBOTS DONT YOU??? YOU JUST WANT TO BE THE WHORE OF SOME LEFTIST MOB DONT YOU??? WHY IS THAT SO DEEPLY INGRAINED IN YOUR PERSONALITY???

AND WHY CANT YOU COMPROMISE BY ACCEPTING THAT YOU COULD HAVE A VOLUNTARIST MARXIST STYLE COMMUNE OR SOMETHING????? WHY CANT PEOPLE VOLUNTARILY BELONG TO A MARXIST COMMUNITY?? WHY DO THEY **HAVE TO BE** SLAVES?? WHY CANT YOU USE CROWDFUNDING TO RAISE MONEY TO START A COMMUNE OR USE CROWDFUNDING TO FUND SOCIAL SAFETY NETS??? YOURE ON A FUCKING CRYPTOCURRENCY ANIME FORUM FOR FUCKING CRYING THE FUCK OUT LOUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Best system doesn't exist yet. A system controlled by an AI with no money and a post-scarcity world after the population has significantly decreased to endure everyone gets all they need to live comfortably.

>>11640663
Can you go back to /pol/ or whatever?
You're fagging up the board

>>11640663
ID filtered
I'm too high iq to waste time on shit posters such as yourself

>>11640714
it's either a bot shit posting or his brain is rotten from spending too much time on the war zone of social engineering that is 4chans political discussion board
either way he's a literal NPC

Dont. Mixed economy ftw.
This entire thread is full of capitalism/communism false dichotomy. Get a clue fahgets

>>11640705
>humans are flawed
>but an AI would be perfect
> an AI made by humans

>>11640714
>>11640819
>>11640878
like a true leftist you forfeit and reduce yourself to personal attacks because deep down they know im right

>>11640974
eurocuck spotted

>>11641018
>reee the government is soo corrupt and owned by corps so we need to give the gov more money and use the gov to fix the corrupt gov

>>11641081
Where did I day we should give the toca more money & power?

I'm simply pointing out the fundamental flaw of AI-cultists.

>>11641081
>america is free market capitalist
this is what burgers actually believe

>>11636278
The freedom for voluntary labor and trade is a basic human right and a core pillar for a stable society.

>>11640974
How come cost of living correlates to the amount of socialism in a country? Sweden has one of the highest costs of living? Then united states then the developing world. This is correlated to the amount of forceful socialism. Socialist institutions don't want cost of living to be low because then the people wont need them and can hop off the hamster wheel that they engineered for them. Notice how capitalism brought the cost of the computer, the most powerful means of production in history, to the point where you can buy a second hand workstation for 50 bucks and make a living with it. The same could be done with sustainable living, like biofuel reactors, aeroponic gardens for food, and 3D printers. But the socialists NEED people to NEED them and they will fight against decentralization!

SOCIALISTS WILL MAKE SURE THAT TECHNOLOGY WHICH CAN TAKE US TO POST SCARCITY WILL BE REPRESSED BECAUSE THEY NEED THE MASSES CRAWLING ON THEIR HANDS AND KNEES TO THE WELFARE OFFICE OR BREAD LINE TO PAY FOR THEIR INFLATED RENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY WILL MAKE REGULATIONS AGAINST PRIVATE GARDENS OR AEROPONIC POTATO GROWING OPERATIONS AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LICENSE TO OWN A 3D PRINTER BECAUSE YOU COULD PRINT DANGEROUS WEAPONS OR OTHER MACHINES THAT THREATEN THE MONOPOLY OF STATE ENTERPRISE, NATIONALIZED CORPORATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>11641172
i never said that you fucking retarded fuck.. it's just slightly less socialist than europe.. in fact i call trump a socialist all the time for his economic policies that he criticized on campaign, and for making it even harder to trade crypto legally in teh USA than in europe.. at least in europe they use lube when they fuck you in the ass

>>11636278
i dont "support" capitalism any more than i "support" war but there are realities in this world we must face, and while they can and must be tempered for human survival they are simply permanent fixtures of an imperfect world as long as people are crawling around on it

>>11641144
>no trust me this time the centralized economy wont be vulnerable to bribery and manipulation and we'll use the new centralized authority to take out the old one

it's teh same hippocratic insanity just with slight variations, and that wasnt even fully pointed at you

>>11641144
no i was actually agreeing with you

i was saying that leftists think that by giving the government more money that will help it not get bribed

>>11640125
>We live in a post-scarcity world.

How can commies be so fucking retarded. Scarcity isn't something that can be eliminated, once you achieve abundance of something you move on to something else more scarce and try to create abundance of that, and then you move to the next, and on and on.

Communists truly live in a parallel universe..

>>11641219
so basically, youre an even bigger cuck than europeens

>>11641229
but war is actually bad

capitalism is just freedom.. the freedom to make agreements with your neighbors like "hey if you dont fuck with MY shit i wont fuck with YOUR shit"

https://youtu.be/ZxnBSb4OKeU

https://youtu.be/fasTSY-dB-s

war creates more terrorists.. all empires fall

>>11641280
yeah cause that makes sense?? yeah cause just living in a place means you agree with the government??

why dont you go ahead and explain the logic of your statement thoroughly?

>>11641292
>living in a place means you agree with the government
basically, or youd move

>>11641272
>Scarcity isn't something that can be eliminated
well if we had male birth control and people who couldnt provide for themselves didnt have kids then maybe at least we might have very little scarcity with food

commie corporate bribery regulations prevented this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversible_inhibition_of_sperm_under_guidance

>>11636278
Because communism is the same but with more hunger, executions and religion-like doctrine on top of it.

>>11636278
LACK OF A BETTER IDEA.

>>11641315
holy shit you are fucking retarded

and maybe i dont live in the USA you fucking queer retarded faggot piece of shit

or maybe im still saving up to move to someplace better or my visa didnt get approved??

THE POINT WAS THAT THE COST OF LIVING IS HIGHER IN PLACES THAT HAVE MORE SOCIALISM, IE LIKE DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM, IE WELFARE STATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S BECAUSE THE BUREAUCRATS NEED THE PEOPLE TO NEED THEM!! ARE YOU DAFT????? YOU THINK THEY WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE TO BE SELF SUSTAINABLE EN MASSE IN SWEDEN AND EVEN IF THEY WERE ABLE TO LOWER THE COST OF LIVING THEY WOULD JUST GET AS MANY IMMIGRANTS AS POSSIBLE TO MOVE THERE SO IT WOULD DRIVE UP THE PRICES AND PRODUCE SCARCITY AND A NEED FOR WELFARE AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU REALLY THINK YOUR HUMBLE CIVIL SERVANTS HAVE YOUR BEST INTEREST IN MIND????? FUCK HAVE YOU BEEN WATCHING TOO MUCH SARGON OF KEKAD????? YOU KNOW HE'S SMART ABOUT SOME STUFF BUT A TOTAL LEFTIST CUC.K ON SO MANY OTHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND HE HAS THIS AIR OF PRETENTIOUSNESS THAT SHOULD SET OFF YOUR BULLSHIT ALARM!!!!!! ESPECIALLY WHEN HE CRITICIZES CAPITALISM!! YOU KNOW HE ALMOST CRIED ON AIR AND TOLD PEOPLE TO STOP CALLING HIM A STATIST???

>>11641081
strawman and shit post harder, retarded NPC fuckboi

>>11641451
another non argument .. WHAT A SURPRISE ZOMG!!!!!!

>>11641387
Either way still a cuck. And a salty one at that lmao

>>11641475
>posts non argument himself

>>11641283
war and capitalism are little different, they both operate on the same principle of a sort of ordered chaos with its own logic in which it is rational to destroy the things you own and sacrifice your own people, to self mutilate and mutilate others, these are things which must happen but they are unsustainable, short sighted, and chaotic and MUST be controlled

>>11636440
>>11636278
>commies
>on my /biz/
not today motherfuckers

>>11641529
>MUST be controlled

>>11641500
pointing out logical fallacies is a form of argument.. also it's pathetic that you said you were going to filter my posts but didnt lol

but yeah i cant waste anymore time.. there is líke a page worth of shit that you didnt respond to and youre just going to ignore so fuck it

>>11641529
>MUST be controlled

the only thing that has to be controlled is YOUR property.. let me worry about my own property and dont be a party pooper

self defense is ok.. war is moronic and creates terrorists

>>11640663
you are fucking based

seriously, why the fuck is it that i have to live by other people's laws and surrender a bunch of my liberties just because their votes overwhelm those of people like me
why is it that i have to pay nearly half of my income into a bunch of stupid fucking programs and outdated, insufficient, inefficient, and arguably harmful infrastructure just because 50% of them vote for me to "pay up"
they literally take our money to funnel it into things *for us*. they're *literally taking your cash and putting it towards things that they propose are good ideas*. for fuck's sake, this is like the government claiming your vote and then voting for you. how the fuck did we ever allow this to happen? what retards voted for this?

collectivism is fucking retarded
they make it so that you literally can't opt out and run your own enterprises that are totally independent of anything that has to do with them lest you like the threat of federal prosecution and a jail sentence, and then they fucking mock you if you dare mention the idea of independence

>>11636278
Socialism will never work.
>A system built to serve the weak
>Needs strong leaders to enforce
>Strong leaders arise from the weak to carry the flag
>Strong leaders take power, no longer associate with the weak
>Strong leaders start ruling for the strong with contempt for the weak
>Either an eternal oligarchy is born (north korea, cuba) or opportunity is given for more strong-willed, smart people to arise and make something of themselves, aka it slowly reverts back to capitalism (russia, china)
Socialism will never work.

>>11641648
If you were capable of sovereignty you would be. There would be no need for you to bitch and moan.

>>11637747

Marx based his theory on virtually all of Smith and Ricardo. I don't know where you are drawing the distinction.

>>11641622
oh no there's no crime worse than being a party pooper can you just like chill out and stop reminding me that people are irresponsible and short sighted irrational creatures and that the people who run walmart and facebook dont give a shit about me

>>11636278
because it forces people to grind themselves up to become more creative than the rest or be losers.
fiat money with its inflation is considered unfair - and it is if your stance is that the optimal state to exist in is stagnation. if you look at it on a bigger scale, constant inflation is the only mechanism that truly gives people incentive to outdo each other and thereby create more for others.
is it cruel? yes. does it work in bringing the species forward? hell yes.
there are ugly side-effects like overproduction of needless luxury, made-in-china-garbage and ethereal, non-productive scams like purely financial instruments, but all in all the system has the quality of pushing people who would otherwise stagnate, and at the end of the day that's more important than anything else.

>>11636278
Have fun fellas. I've gotta go back to waging it in a few hours. See you all next Friday.

>>11641756
lol okay then i just won't pay my fucking taxes
that'll go over well
hey—i'll also enjoy all the great medicine provided to us through the capitalism that we definitely enjoy
won't stay a sick fucking cripple for too long with all the great medicine that i can easily get my hands on!!! with all the people that are lining up in a race and putting up ads to sell the fucking medicine that i desperately need to me!!!!

wtf are you even saying? that if someone were, at a given point, capable of acting as a sovereign individual... that they would be capable of acting as a sovereign individual. like, okay? obviously? what if this sovereign individual becomes sick, and their surrounding country is a collectivist socialist shithole in which doctors don't have to compete in the free market capitalist game of providing their patients with the best care in order to make money, but instead make their money solely by following the doctrine of their government-funded institutions—that doctrine being to prescribe cursory drugs that alleviate the surface-layer symptoms of a patient's problems, rather than actually fixing the root cause of the problem?
like, fuck, man
you really don't think that most of america, if they were in good health, would not be capable of not only maintaining that good health on their own, but of also leading their own lives and living their own destiny?
you think everyone WANTS to sit around, get fat, waddle at the pace of a fucking 80-year-old whenever they go anywhere, and watch whatever shit is popular with all the other debt slaves?
do you actually think that the human body and mind is so easily broken as to allow this to happen, without exposure to actual poison?
how utterly fucking nihilistic would you have to be to believe that?

"If you were capable of sovereignty, you would instantly be out of the gulag and never have to overcome anything. Stop complaining!! Don't discuss the situation with anyone!! xD"
instantly go fuck yourself

>>11641756
lol okay then i just won't pay my fucking taxes
that'll go over well
hey—i'll also enjoy all the great medicine provided to us through the capitalism that we definitely enjoy
won't stay a sick fucking cripple for too long with all the great medicine that i can easily get my hands on!!! with all the people that are lining up in a race and putting up ads to sell the fucking medicine that i desperately need to me!!!!

wtf are you even saying? that if someone were, at a given point, capable of acting as a sovereign individual... that they would be capable of acting as a sovereign individual. like, okay? obviously? what if this sovereign individual becomes sick, and their surrounding country is a collectivist socialist shithole in which doctors don't have to compete in the free market capitalist game of providing their patients with the best care in order to make money, but instead make their money solely by following the doctrine of their government-funded institutions—that doctrine being to prescribe cursory drugs that alleviate the surface-layer symptoms of a patient's problems, rather than actually fixing the root cause of the problem?
like, fuck, man
you really think that most of america, if they were in good health, would not be capable of not only maintaining that good health on their own, but of also leading their own lives and living their own destiny?
you think everyone WANTS to sit around, get fat, waddle at the pace of a fucking 80-year-old whenever they go anywhere, and watch whatever shit is popular with all the other debt slaves?
do you actually think that the human body and mind is so easily broken as to allow this to happen, without exposure to actual poison?
how utterly fucking nihilistic would you have to be to believe that?

"If you were capable of sovereignty, you would instantly be out of the gulag and never have to overcome anything. Stop complaining!! Don't discuss the situation with anyone!! xD"
instantly go fuck yourself

>>11636278
Under capitalism you'll probably die poor, under communism you'll definitely die poor and probably starve.

>>11641998
>>under communism you'll definitely die poor and probably starve.
You just have to network your way up through the Communist party. 70% of jobs are through network connections.

>>11641529
War at least ends.

>>11642366
>except the war on terror and the war on drugs and the war on poverty...

>>11642426
Caused by the government too.

>>11641973
I guess after all that tl;dr you still havent figured out youre not a sovereign individual

>>11642451
democratic mob rule does not equal "sovereignty"

>>11636549
The most dishonest shit about this pic is that taxes (theft) should cover approximately 50-55% of the area and profit would be under 20%.

>>11636757
From mother earth.

>>11642502
k what about spess?

we should all kill ourselves right?? because any prosperity means something else decreases?

>>11642528
No worries, no need to rush things. The sub race, human, is in the best way of extinguish itself.

AI will make sure to run things properly in the future

>>11642366
indeed.
it's worth noting how the most ardent capitalist types, like those most defensive of american adventurist follies around the world who wouldn't last a second in the military, would be some of the first to be victims of their "free" society, a price which i seriously doubt they would be willing to pay

>>11642502
Mother Earth doesn't have her own private property lol

>>11642539
>AI will make sure to run things properly in the future

and back to nihilist fatalism.. yeah you really make leftism sound fun

how about instead learning how to control time and gravity and defeating age related disease because that is literally possible with capitalism instead of just distributing the wealth before we ever get a chance to innovate.. look who is developing planetary colonization now.. musk and bezos.. pseudo capitalists or at least they show that capitalist motivations will get us off this rock and communists want to just drag us down

>>11642570
Never said capitalism wouldn't lead to new innovation. That's the magic of free market and competition. Nevertheless it will lead to the end of the human race WE currently know.

That's where the moral debate starts.
>>11642555
>lol
lol

>>11642589
>That's where the moral debate starts.

and nothing practical was said today