/biz/ - Business & Finance

Buy Netlist.

Press S to spit on this anti-american pro-china economy destroyer

Today was a yikes

>>11569525
> AMZN - wow, i feel great about this investment: 4 weeks ago

wonder what happens next

>>11569557
Thank you based Powell.

Lol, stock boomers need a containment board to get the fuck off /biz/. It's business and finance, not buying the top of a ten year bull run and finance

>>11569557
s

>>11569525
First for the beginning of the end

>>11569569
>wonder what happens next

lmfao

ABOLISH THE FED

THEY DON'T ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING USEFUL

THIS HAS GONE WELL BEYOND CURBING INFLATION

BRING BACK GOLD STANDARD

>>11569525

last correction didn't break the year long uptrend line
this one has solidly broken it
if it breaks the line below the one I labelled
it is seriously OGRE

>>11569597
ABOLISH
THE
FED

Then force QE and drop interest rates negative for my gains

>>11569557
\o/
Based Powell doing what must be done to save us all from our own greed!

>>11569602
Needs more lines, maybe a spiral, I like spirals

>>11569602
IF IT GOES BELOW THIS LINE IT'S ALL OVER

>>11569590
>>11569578
the entire crypto market is a speculative bubble
it will never recover
it had its moment in the limelight, and nothing came of it
this is a temporary correction

>>11569601
stop spamming your discord on here

>>11569602
You can't just pick random two points and draw lines between them and call it TA.

>>11569590

God isn't listening anymore.

>>11569629
yes you can and I have been doing it and winning for 2 years

>>11569597
Yes, no. Gold standard is just as much of a meme as fiat currency. Some sort of universal energy token would make more sense.

last correction didn't break the year long uptrend line
this one has solidly broken it
if it breaks the line below the one I labelled
it is seriously OGRE

We are overdue for a recession anyway. Hope you guys survive the plunge and make sure to buy some long term stock while we're there.

>>11569602
>>11569639
confirmed

>>11569557
>I hire the best people.

>brainlet newfags who don't understand TA anyone can learn to use in thirty minutes of googling

>>11569653
>late for a recession
>two years earlier than the historic average of twelve years

You just repost everything you here or?

>reeee my jew controlled stock bubble is imploding
>C-C-C-RYPTO BOOGEYMAN

subhuman mutts man

What's the upside of buying IBM at the moment?
It has a good dividend but a very yikes div coverage
It's P/E and forward P/E is good but it's PEG is abysmal
It has a 6 P/B
Is buying Redhat actually going to increase it's revenue to the point it will actually compete with the overall market?
>doubt

WE'RE GOING DOWN IN A SPIRAL TO THE GROUND
NO ONE, NO ONE'S GONNA SAVE US NOW
NOT EVEN GOD, NO ONE SAVED US
NO ONE'S GONNA SAVE US

>>11569667
we're gonna go down nobody really knows how far though

new tech like HFT has made the market more volatile so the averages based on 30 year long market cycles are now bullshit

>>11569647
>>11569624
You sound a bit frustrated m8

>ITT people who think this impending market crash is a bad thing
Cheer up, guys! Gotta’ have a brush fire to clear out the foliage so that the forest can keep growing in a sustainable way! You’ll back in no time, son! Just buy some more and just you see what your portfolio will look like in 30 years!

*sip*

>>11569667
The market has been artificially inflated for the past two years. Market corrections like this can easily bring us into a recession because of that sell without thinking.

>>11569689
DOWNWARD SPIRAL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK1RSLOyCns

>>11569681
woman ceo

>>11569711
this literally just wait for it to bottom out and then go all in and forget

>>11569667
Theres factors other than time that you could use to reach the conclusion that the other poster came to.

Peter Schiff was right.

Annnndddd here's the bottom!

>>11569714
*morons that sell

>>11569692
this, the entire nature of the market is completely different. No one knows what will happen. we can go on trends but we dont know

fundamentals are sound

>>11569719
Yep! Keep buying! Someone on this cool subreddit said “buy the SPY”! Very catchy. I think I’ll get some more tomorrow!

Yup, it's over. Better sell everything AS FUCKING SOON AS YOU CAN, there's only one exit and one lifeboat

How in the absolute fuck is Tesla still green? So this is the power of weed and anime girls.......

>>11569750
Investors don't realize that Tesla is a meme.

>>11569750
Meme magic can elect presidents and make your share moon.

is this brainlet hours or has RHG really just gotten this trash since january

>>11569760
it's because it's a meme

>>11569748
spicy

>>11569750
>yfw Musk hasn't even reached SSJ1 yet
>yfw he's not even passed kaio ken x10

reminder that AMD bubbles and crashes right before a recession twice in a row now

>tfw no more money to buy the dip

guess I'm a bag holder now

>>11569645
Of course you do, Morgan.

Should I sell my bit of stocks? I'm not underwater yet, but, getting close if this keeps going sour.

>>11569810
I also use Nintendo as my contrarian crash indicator. Which is too bad since I absolutely want to buy some.

when trump voters are going to say sorry for what is happening???

>>11569831
unironically sell everything

sit back and wait for the bottom

>>11569810
intel and amd hardly reacted to 2007-2008 crash

>>11569849
Never.

>>11569750
>>11569760
>US auto sales September 2018:
>General Motors: -17.85 %
>Ford Motor Company: -16.65%
>Tesla: +563.60%
hmmmmmm

>>11569850
Thanks, you really think this is it? I know no one has a crystal ball, but, are people starting to think this is the big correction like 08?

>>11569850
>>11569831
if you don't know how to spot the bottom then you shouldn't be in the market so also sell everything

>>11569855
>crash 75% in a year from peak and then bleed to -95% during the crash
>barely reacted

>>11569849
Uh sweetie Obama claimed responsibility for this “economic miracle”

>>11569866
yes I unironically think this is the big one

for the record I was only scared for a little bit that feb was the big one

AMD bubbling and SPY smashing a multiple year trendline are very strong rollover indicators

>>11569864
Yet ford is on a moon mission.

>>11569866
look at the graphs ya dingus

MARKETS IFFY, DOW's GOT THE DIPPY UH

GOT THE DIPPY, uh, /biz/ DAY GOIN SHITTY UH

MARX GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANG!

>>11569868
meant NVDA and INTC they hardly moved

>>11569864
It's because they are in the new market of electric cars.

>>11569884
>>11569889
Scary. My work is coming out with a big product this year, bad time for a recession for us. :/

>>11569899
those are historically way less of a meme and don't bubble much if at all depending on your definition

AMD has been a meme for 20 years

>>11569903
So are Ford and GM

>>11569864
EV don't compete with used cars as much
you have lots full of huge supply of used ICE vehicles to compete with as new ICE.

>>11569903
There is no new market. EVs and ICEs compete in the same market. Plus GM has EVs, too.

>>11569895
who let the guy with the shitty twitter memes in?

>>11569919
AMD was legit gains, when it hit 20+ it started going crazy on thoughts it would replace intel server usage and it didn't materialize

Not sure it's really a sign of much more. AMD has done better but couldn't replace INTC enough and had no crypto bubble.

>>11569904
stock market crash doesn't necessarily mean recession, but it usually accompanies one caused by other things that can affect real world companies, like a debt crisis (both 2000 and 2008 fall under debt crisis)

>>11569760
*cant allow themselves to realize Tesla is a meme
Since becoming normie bait a few years ago, there are swaths of people relying on it as a long term investment instead of just a volatile bet on Elon doing crazy shit. Many cant afford to think its a meme at this point, and thats why shareholders partnered up with bears to get the SEC to keep ramming it up Elon's ass since the Rogan podcast.

>>11569602
Shut it box lord

>>11569922
>Tesla sold 114,102 cars so far this year
>GM sold 30,818 cars so far this year
>Ford sold SEVEN THOUSAND
LMAO at your life

>>11569936
Lending seems pretty tight now, but I wonder what other looming disasters will pop out.

>>11569928
a few % of new buyers wanting only EV and you get full demand. Tesla has an easy market right now.

It's similar to being the only SUV or only Truck maker when they didnt exist before.

cobalt -50% price since beginning of 2018
Lithium -50% price since beginning of 2018

>>11569943
EV cars, sorry I should specify
But buying F under the justification for it's EV fleet is silly

>>11569895
>the average cryptocurrency "investor"

>>11569948
I have no idea if a disaster will happen since disasters usually happen BEFORE the stock market crash. Unless we suddenly have a corporate debt crunch this stock market crash will probably be a minor protracted correction that won't go below 08's peak.

>>11569952
basically, other car companies did analysis on resource cost and slowed down on EV as lith/cobalt raised in price over the past few years

the prices crashed this year on those, and Tesla had no choice but to go forward with EV, so they basically hit a "call" on those prices.. everyone else is slowl

>>11569943
nigger tesla has sold 300k cars EVER

>they always say “hodl” but they never hodl me
>>11569525
We’re gapping down tomorrow. It’s fucking over.

https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/lithium

look at lithium prices

Other car companies priced out their strategy to get into EV on that crazy rising price
Tesla didn't give a fuck about pricing and went all in

pricing dropped on battery commodities just as Tesla ramped, basically lucky as fuck.

GM and Ford are only doing EVs as a "metoo" thing. Neither is really commited since they are run by boomers.

All it takes is for one serious competitor to ruin Tesla's day. Someone who actually knows how to productionize shit (ie not Tesla), isn't a scam (ie not Nio), and actually makes designs that doesn't look like complete shit (ie not Japanese).

>>11569963
Would the reverse happen too though? Like would a stock market crash cause something like a debt crunch, rather than the other way around?

>FREEFALLING
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lWJXDG2i0A

dont worry guys, it's just money. You're already in very easy mode by being in a 1st world country.

i mean all you lost are your gains for the year right? Anyone sane would have at least put in a stop loss to where they are comfortable risking

>>11569983
>capitulating this hard

>>11569977
https://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/
The boomer NPC is upset his conventional wisdom is wrong.
Try updating your firmware

>>11569990
Here's the problem. Everything in a normal car doesn't work in EV. AC has to be completely different to work with only electric battery etc.

For instance tesla roadster original was 7% parts from the lotus because they realized every single fucking part had to be different for EV.

>>11569760
>>11569776
>>11569939
>>11569864
Tesla is the new (and only) status symbol vehicle in the united states :)

>>11569977
Post account size please.

>>11570008
Porsche and Mercedes are coming out with their electros soon though. They are behind the curve but when they do catch up...

>>11570008
Among a lot of people, yes., it's the only lux brand. Especially non-car people. Saying you have a tesla gets more cred than anything else even ferrrari

>>11569997
>Anyone sane would have at least put in a stop loss to where they are comfortable risking

the smart thing to do is not invest money you aren't willing to lose in the first place

>>11569991
There's no precedent except for the Great Depression, that was caused by a stock market crash causing bank runs causing credit defaults causing bank closures, which would never happen today.

>>11569952
EVs and ICEs do compete. Someone who just bought an EV is not in the market for an ICE anymore and vice versa.
Only few people are religiously buying only cars of one technology. Many are on the fence, probably preferring EVs but weighing it against the currenty better price and range of ICEs.

>dems will absolutely win at this point
>markets will crash even further on obstructionist fears
>>11569991
Where’s it gonna crash to? We just priced in half a recession

ibm shilling starting point and end point of 'the cloud' and 'open source' on bloomberg this morning

short that shit, NOW

>>11570019
le massive tarrif face :)

>>11569660
I feel like hiring is his kryptonite, in all other ways he is Superman. All of his success is basically from himself and his minions, every time he got fucked over was because of a casino mobster or middle manager like Manafort.

>>11570019
They can't though. There's more to Tesla. Tesla is car company + dealership in one. Also no other car company is developing their own in house self-driving focused chips.

I hipe my kid
>>11570001
Nigger I bought every fucking day this month.

>>11570034
Mercedes and Toyota have factories here.

Even if the market crashes there's no point I selling my long term hold anyway, it will just be a slower rise up.

NVIDIA, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>11570048
Thanks autopost
I hope my kids get to lose all their money in the stock market like pop did in 2018

>>11570033
Redhat was such a fucking stupid idea only a girl would buy. You could have had AMD and Dropbox for 33 billion.

>>11570050
More importantly they have an extensive charging infrastructure.

>pulled 1k out of the market
>going to buy a bike
At least when the bike crashes I'll actually be the one responsible, and not just a victim

>>11570050
The fact that they are direct is huge for sure. I love Tesla even though I think they are ugly, I like that it's taking on the other car companies. I feel like Porsche and Mercedes could for sure catch up though.

>american automobiles

>>11570070
They also haven't monetized fully.

They can partner with google/amazon/apple or someone for the control over the center console and computer system. Integrating with apple ecosystem, amazon ecosystem, or google. They can flex that at any point and earn billions on the deal.

Friendly reminder WE HAVEN'T EVEN CLOSED THE MONTHLY CANDLE YET
IT GETS WORSE

>>11570090
check out that rsi divergence senpai

What bear?

>>11570079
Tesla or japanese car companies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> American car companies

>>11570100
Bitch where
What are your settings?

Test

>>11570120

>>11570073
>Not keeping that 1k for the bottom.

>>11570136
Doesn't that indicate the uptrend is losing strength?

>>11570118
ford old boomers, muh big truck makes money so I better give up on cars

who in competition intentionally gives up lol, what retards

>>11570143

>>11569657
this but unironically

>>11570111
Right here buddy.

Good luck to all the knife catchers out there.

>>11570145
Ford unironically has a good dividend though with excellent div coverage. I wouldn't mind buying it eventually
But buying it for EV sales is delusional

>>11570155
I hope you bought some new knee pads

why do leftists like online marketplaces with cheap china crap so much?

>>11570174
Ford is just stupid though, they aren't moving or innovating at all during a huge vehicle shift.

>>11570176
me have new trick up sleeve for these sordid times
>disability checks ;_;

>>11570173
I've got an alert set if we dip below 80 a recession is all but confirmed

>>11570192
average into NVDA

what should I short tomorrow?

spoonfeed me goys

>>11570202
spy

>>11570209
What do you use to trade?

>>11570215
robinhood and interactive brokers

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE all my stocks have lost 10 - 20 % it will take so long only to break even. Fuck me do I hodl and buy more or what

>>11570195
on the NDAQ that is

>>11570222
Why do you use both? One for charting and one for trading?

>>11569525
since were in a bear market, should i open a WEBULL account since they let you short for free?

Who else here is starting to believe the conspiracy theorists about (((them))) wanting to sabotage the orange man.

Like. What's changed today? Euro overwhelmingly green, fundamentals solid, earnings still good.

"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”

Tell me, do people pull their money out of hedge funds in times like this? Will they be forced to cover their shorts?

>>11570233
It took you this long

>>11570231
IB has better options UI and shorting

>>11570240
Yes, of course, because all people are pussies regardless of how large their bank accounts are. Didn't you watch The Big Short?

>>11570233
>fundamentals
you mean smoke screens for the masses

Same meme, really SPX on the monitor if anyone is collecting my cope pics.

>>11570251
With all the charting, is this your full time job? Do you make enough to live off of?

Elon Musk has become the "nothing" of Tesla. Removing all his titles.

>>11570265
no and no, I make some green and hoard it all

>>11570233
Nothing has changed which is why the downtrend has continued.

>>11569990
That leaves only German manufacturers. I haven't seen any sincere commitment from them.

>If you don't have a broker, you can't buy stocks,
you are fucking delusional if you think thats the system of the future. everything centralized through fucking brokers, aint nobody got time for that shit. you will by stocks like cryptos in the future, decentralized ledger stocks or something, they will figure it out. but thats just too gay to live this broker shit. fine for dinosaurs and old money i guess but theyre not sucking me into that black hole. talk to me whe the stock market has entered the future and i dont need a fucking broker

>>11570265
living off of stocks is gay anyway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv5IyRuEVI4

>>11570280
Well you make some good TA, thanks for the graphs. Are you up a good % this year?

>>11570191

tfw everything below philanthropy is garbage for average person

>>11570298
I was up around 70% at one point, now up 30%. You don't stop learning. Ask around for a mega of books or something.

Should I buy individual stocks or ETFs?

>>11570287
do we even have a choice right now? where else do we get our gains

my broker fucking sucks, $10 per comission seems to be the standard here in canada

>>11570287
>implying gubmint will give up the kind of regulation that brokerages make easy

>>11570306
Kk, thanks man. Appreciate it. Wish you the best and many gains.

>>11570284
Not anytime soon. The only decent competitor is probably the Jaguar I-Pace.

>>11569602
What the fuck is this LMAO looks like a bunch of lasers

>>11570352
every different trend line it went on. as though they matter and aren't mostly random

>>11570320
you will have a choice at some point, not yet. but it will come and people will choose. shitty old way with broker, or new trustless blockchain way where you can just do it yourself if you want. i dont know how long you will have to wait.

>>11570352
Don't you understand? Markets have to stay within those lines because of """""reasons""""""". It makes perfect sense when you think about it.

>brainlets literally cannot fathom the meme lines

I can't tell whos shitposting and who's just retarded any more

>>11570311
If you are autistic, which I assume you are since you post on 4chan, do your own research and buy individual stocks. ETFs are for normies and an especially terrible investment in a bear market.

F... friendly reminder.....

>>11569578
Enjoy your funny money I'm making 40% on my portfolio per day by trading options. B-but chainlink will be $59 EOY, r-r-right guise???? :'(

>>11570377
yeah its called trend analysis, if you rely on it assuming accurate predictions youre delusional or brilliant but probably delusional. but it helps for broad general trends to gain an idea of what could happen, the price will move along at least somewhat according to trend lines and moving averages and so forth, at the very least because so many other people are doing the same analysis you are and drawing the same lines. especially in crypto, you just have to draw some trend lines on a graph or youre just below even a noob

does which SP500 ETF you buy matter?

do you get access to anything in particular if you buy the SPYDR or whatever version, or the Vanguard version, or Blackrock version?

Well for the first time since I've held the stock, Amarin Corporation dipped a bit. Wasn't a real bad dip so I ain't worried. Could be just investor jitters heading up to the 10th. (That's when the drug results come out). So I hope it corrects tomorrow and sours even higher. I jumped on the Barrick Train today. Hope it delivers lots of profits over the next 15 year ride. If your wanting to use the Fox - Dis deal to your advantage to get Dis shares for cheap you better act fast, Dis just sent out a release today where they're in process of buying up all of fox's outstanding bond debt. This is the next step in the merger process (I think).

>>11570390
half the time i cant tell myself whether im retarded or shitposting

Is elon baiting shorts?

Dropped all formal titles at Tesla today.

>>11570202
>what should I short tomorrow?
white people

>>11570233
>fundamentals solid
LMFAO

>>11570138
I still have 4k where it came from. I'll probably get 1k back into it before we hit the bottom.

>>11570449
cryptofags can't comprehend the concept of fundamentals because cryptocurrency itself is a speculative bubble
fundamentals matter in the real world

What are some good stocks to invest in right now lads?

>>11569602
>>11569662
>>11569810
>>11570149
>>11570292
>>11570389
>esoteric TA with random lines and characters
>smug anime girls
>unironically posting Nietzsche
We got a level 6 autist here boys.

>Bulltards rejoice and say IT'S THE BOTTOM, THAT'S IT, BTFD when there's slight weak pupm mid-day
>It's been 10 trading sessions now where it's always doing the same pattern of pump then dump before the close
>/biz/ is still falling for it
I don't know if it's retardation or cuteness. You should realize the age of BTFD is over, the music changed, it's STFP now

>>11570489
CGC

>>11570284
Yeah, no one seems to want to take the "plunge", which is kind of why Tesla is still doing well, despite all fundamentals pointing to a shit company.

People are attracted to leaders with vision. Musk may have no idea how to manage his company, but literally no other car company CEO has his vision right now. They are too blinded by the business metrics and KPIs by their executives. They are all waiting for someone else to "prove the concept", or dipping their toes in the water with "its the same model as a popular existing model, but with an electric model", not realising >>11570005

Also Tesla also has the right idea with the Model 3, pricing is a very important factor, more so than range or any other factor in my opinion. If they can bring the cost down low enough to their original $30k range their will be bigger than GM and F combined in 10 years time.

>>11570401
But theres so many stocks... I want MSFT F T KO CHEV ITW PG etc... but to buy all of those Id need so much money and VYM has all of those conveniently packaged for me. It also has a lot of shitty bank stocks that I hate tho so IDK

>>11570482
You mean above average P/E ratios, cheap fed money and tax cut funded stock buybacks? Those fundamentals?

>>11569525
>literally denial

Do people here actualy try and trade without TA?

They (Stock Analyst) predict that now that IBM & Redhat has merged that there will be a ton of mergers taking place down the road. They seem to agree that Drop Box is a tempting target cause it's cheap. It so happens that shares of it is cheap as well. So it may not hurt to bag a few now cause down the road it may reward you greatly.

>>11570515
Gee whiz, Musk's companies would be fuck all without those billions from the US gov

>>11570536
they are too brainlet to google basic ta or to read a book so they call everyone who posts ta a delusional retard

>>11570489
I wouldn't invest in anything until after the midterms.

>>11570482
what the fuck are you talking about retard. every company under the sun had shit reports, interest rates are going up + everyone is levered up, consumer spending at an all time low,and it's clear retard-in-chief's trade war is hurting businesses here

what the fuck fundamentals are you talking about?

Nearly all small specs have capitulated
Calling the bottom

>>11570536
I dont trade, I just HODL to the grave. Sometimes Im lucky and buy shit thats Fudded to hell and sell it a few months later when its higher. This has worked with weed stocks mostly but I could see someone doing it with AMD

i cant survive trumps america,bros

im looking at the monitor with almost tears in my eyes,we are going DOWN

>>11570558
screenshotted based fngu anon

>>11570536
TA is important for trading, but not long-term investing
TA matters less the longer the timeframe is
My personal strategy is position trading (holding for months or years), so I only use TA to refine an entry point

>>11570554
>every company under the sun had shit reports

what reports are you talking about
most big companies beat earnings, but still got sold anyways because of FUD

It's happening tomorrow. watch out.

>>11570581
>I only use TA to refine an entry point
isn't that the entire point?

>>11570569
this. The downtrend is definitely not stopping.
I'm out of everything but my dividend holds now. I might just short into the election too.

>>11570515
im thinking if the price goes down too low but the range doesnt match people will be burned out on electric cars for a while. people think theyre ready for limited range and charging for hours, but as a guy that owned an electric vehicle i can tell you it sucked balls and im going for gas now.

>>11570595
Short-term traders just look at charts and buy because they see a good setup without doing research on the actual company they're buying
I use fundamentals to make a decision on whether to actually buy a company or not, and I only sell if the fundamentals are compromised or my price target is reached

if you cant get a decent range for a low price then dont even make a low price because if the range isnt there then that makes a very bad first impression amongst consumers. its such a pain in the ass running out of battery, its bad enough when youre phone does it, but you cant put your dead car in your pocket and carry it home.

>>11570518
It is good that you want many stocks because it will eventually lead to a diversified portfolio. Here is what I do. I have a watch list of about 40 stocks and when I see one of them on sale, I buy and increase my position slightly. Find a method you are comfortable with, but I would not recommend dumping all of your money into equities at once.

>>11570595
>>11570626

>>11570518
I dunno, I'd go with the VTI or a Target Date Vanguard fund. With the VTI ETF you get both income and growth stocks, a higher dividend payout, and the fund expense is cut in half. The cost to buy in is higher but the payoff is worth it.

>>11570616
>>11570642
They are kind of mutually exclusive right now, you can't have one without sacrificing the other.
The market is not short on "performance" models with extra range. It's just how much extra batteries you can pack in. But those have a limited market which is saturating (Model S, X has been on sale for years).

You would be surprised how many people only use their car for <100 miles/day, and have off-street parking. Cheap, short range EVs are perfect for them.

WHAT THE FUCK WE WERE UP THIS MORNING

ABSOLUTELY JUSTED THIS IS THE END ISNT IT

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/imports
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/exports
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/central-bank-balance-sheet
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-spending
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/labor-force-participation-rate
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/balance-of-trade
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>11570558
kek no
they've been buying and are still buying
boomer specs not even close to capitulating

>>11570665
I use the VLXVX for my 401k, all in on that one. I just want stocks to mess around with on robinhood. VYM has tasty divs, but I could get more by buying individual companies

>>11570647
tanks will try this method. I probably wont be putting more than $100 on each company for the time being tho

will i regret this?

>>11570690
you will never get my bags. gains or total loss. I guess I don't count as a small spec though if I'll never capitulate

>>11570705
Almost certainly but if not congrats in advance

>>11570705
probably

>>11570690
small specs officially Capitulated on tech

>>11570202
The VIX

>>11569877

Checked.

>>11570685
>exports down
>imports up

TRUUUUMMMMMPPPP

>>11569624
fuckin lol'd

>>11569525
I'm set up right now to start dumping anything extra after maxing my 401k into investments and figured this would be the best place to ask how retarded my plan is:
>10k a year available to invest
>30 year accumulation period for long term lolHODL
>primary goal is high passive income, secondary is 8% growth with less risk than S&P500 index
I was planning on doing 50% NOBL 25% high-dividend stable singles like WM and MSFT, and 25% medium-risk high-dividend singles like NLY, GECC and KBWY. I want to buy annually along with reinvesting the dividend income every year when stocks are usually lower. Anyone know what month is a good month to reinvest?

I don't have the time to day trade and want to just care of all the transactions once annually. Pic related, me.

>>11570536
You'd need actual quantative systems that are set in stone and backtested by experienced professionals, not some human bias drawn lines

>>11570676
thats what they tell themselves
that theyre fine with limited range

you wont be. nobodies fine with it unless theyre deluding themselves. if youre stuck with a limited range you might as well take the bus is what youre gonna figure out once you realize you bought this expensive car you cant even drive out of the city and back.

if your next car is a cheap low range electric, then the car you buy after that is going to be gasoline, you will be well and truly fucking tired of the whole electric experience

>>11569748
Are we in cat that can't make up its mind if it wants to go in or out of my room market now?

>>11570691
You may want to look at CTL. Lots of people over look this company but it has a Div of 0.54 per share and right now it's going for under $20 per. By contrast the next popular one VZ is 0.60 per but you'd pay about $56 per share for it. T has a payout of 0.50 and would cost you $33 per share. So CTL would be a good middle of the road venture.

>>11570676
Li ion doesn't like to be fully discharged, it operates best in the middle ground. So the short range ones if you are pushing them will degrade faster. 250-300 miles seems to be the ideal amount with 200 for low end.

Daily reminder that Plunge Protection Team is not going to let the market collapse

>>11570734
You have a pretty solid plan. Now's a good time to buy, the market is going through a correction and prices are lower than they've been in a while.

A very commonly echoed sentiment among people who make huge amounts of money trading stocks is "be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful", and people are very fearful right now. The goal is to buy at the bottom and sell at the top, and more likely than not, we're at the very least near a bottom. When you're thinking in the long term, the point you enter at doesn't matter as much as they long-term viability of the companies you pick, and you seem to have picked some good options.

>>11570843
this, but still if shit drops another 15-50% it would suck to enter now. Hard to time it.

Are you guys ready for the first one to pull the plug?

>>11570843
>more likely than not, we're at the very least near a bottom.

>>11570843
I'm bearish on AMD and a short term trader to boot.

>>11570843
>>11570754
wrong person, lel
this reply was meant for you

>>11570734
can't you use other indicators that more specifically pinpoint support and resistance than just drawing trendlines everywhere like a 5 year old scribbling on a wall

>>11570868
What do you expect it to do? I think $15 is the backstop on price.

>>11570859
If everything drops 50% the entire world goes to shit, don't be silly.

>>11570762
Thanks for listening everyone

>>11570811
is that div sustainable tho?

>>11570875
look at the arrows pal

if it breaks the support level it's at it will collapse to the next support, and either bust that one or bounce back to the original support

if it maintains current support and begins to bounce, it could bounce quite a ways before falling back down

long term I believe AMD will go sub 5$

>he thinks we even have enough lithium to switch the world to electric
>doesnt know how terrible for the environment the whole lithium mining process is
without better batteries, without fucking graphene supercapacitors or some shit, youre not getting your electric car future son. so the price will remain high, it has to. for now

>>11570879
>t-there's no way the bubble will pop

>>11569525
sir that's a bearish pattern

>>11570867
people are overreacting and capitulating like they always do during a correction

>>11570896
you're a cryptofag, aren't you
how high did you buy BTC

>>11570889
It's longterm stuff doesn't matter. Zen 2 / 7nm is still coming along with navi. The overhype is gone but there is still hype. Unless the entire market tanks as much.

>>11570906
Bought at 100$, you fucking nigger.

>i-i-if you point out how the market gains are unsustainable you must be the boogeyman

>>11570872
>>11570843
I plan to do nothing but buy once annually with 10k + whatever dividends have accumulated for the next 30 years. I can't time anything but the month. Do you know what month is historically shit for the market? I'd assume January since most companies year-end is december and xmas bloats sales. January is prolly a shitshow.

I forgot to mention in the post I chose NOBL since it outperforms SPY and has less tech companies waiting to implode as well as higher dividends with guaranteed increases and less volatility. Really matches what I want.

>>11570843
You got that right, I bagged some Apple and MS stock during the dip. Was fucking tempted to bag Amazon (dip knocked off $400 value), but I was like no, " just wait, soon Amazon will buy some more companies, one's you got stocks of, you can back door your way to Amazon stock thru them"

why are people buying dividiend aristocrats in their 20s when index funds for SP500 and NASDAQ produce better overall returns? shouldnt you transition into divvys when your a decade from retirement, not 20+?

>>11570919
I'm not trading long term so my speculations that direction are nearly wholly unfounded beyond looking at previous AMD bubbles, where AMD bled to under 2$, regardless of their success. With meme stocks like AMD the stock price is rarely correlated with the company's performance.

>>11570737
how do you pull up data sets like that, that show small and large spec?

>>11570429

Yes. You might consider the following:

- Expense Ratio - How much does it cost?

- Any load fees upon purchasing or selling shares of the ETF?

- Amount of Liquidity - can influence the ask/bid spread which helps determine you getting the share price you want at buy/sell time. The higher the liquidity the tighter the spread between ask/bid.

- Tax Efficiency - If you are purchasing this ETF for a taxable account, you want to historically look at how often capital gains are declared as those will be taxed.

>>11570953
commitment of traders data

>>11570953
its the Commitment of traders look up the COT

seems like im a little late to the stock party, should i just wait until everything bottoms out and then invest? stocks i've been watching for the past week have been doing nothing but going down

>>11570943
You forget about the Drip. Use drip to buy more shares, free, over time this adds up. Also helps you out during tax time.

>b-buy the dip

lmao

>>11570974
wait until the dow goes under 20k

>>11570896
Never said it couldn't happen, just if it did there will be much bigger problems than your retirement to deal with.

>>11570937
>Do you know what month is historically shit for the market

September and October are historically the worst months for the market
Now is a really good time to buy, anon

>>11570930
>i-i-if you point out how the market gains are unsustainable you must be the boogeyman

Funny that you say that, considering the entire crypto market is a giant speculative bubble

>>11570974
It's a lot harder to "wait until everything bottoms out" than you think
It's easy to time the bottom in hindsight, but nobody really knows until it's already pulled out

>>11570974
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1UwP3qFIHSjx2y2QUgtTNLonAi1-d6QTH?usp=sharing

>>11570960
but all 3 main SP500 ETFs have produced effectively the same return over many many years and most people say 'just pick whatever you like it doesnt matter'

i max a ROTH IRA every year and then everything else is in a taxable account aka Robinhood, does it matter to me? liquidity also doesnt really matter man, all of them have billions under management and im only looking to sell probably once a month like 30 years from now to transition into divvys

Why can't stockniggers handle the fact that stocks are speculative investments just like crypto?
lmfao 1 trilliion dollar company based on toys for mental children?

the only reason you buy stocks is to sell them at a higher price later and the economy is massively overvalued

>b-b-b-b--buy now

There's so much more blood to come.

>In the early seventies trading was not a job you went into to make large sums of money. It was a good stable profession like selling insurance or banking. And if trading was boring then the Index department at the Exchange was downright comatose. We all know about indices, give em to your nephew when he turns 16 and then when he's thirty he makes a hundred dollars. Yawn. Indices were losers. That is, until John C. Bogle came on the scene at Vanguard
>You see, John didn't know it yet, but he had already changed trading forever. He had just one simple idea...
>The Exchange Traded Fund. Or public security E.T.F.
>What is that?
>Here's how it works. You've got your average bluechip portfolio, 3% per year. Boring, safe, small pay off. But when you have dozens of them all bundled together... Suddenly the yield goes up and the risk is still low cause it's a bluechip, and what bluechip isn't stable? And because the risk is hedged these securities allow for people with not so perfect strategies to invest. So you're making money, and you're doing a good thing.
>John and his band of foul mouthed stock traders took a sleepy department and made it the most profitable on Wall Street. Pretty soon bonds and savings were almost inconsequential to the big funds. They were doing 50, 100, 200 billion in traded funds and dozens of other closed funds a year. And America barely noticed as its number one indsutry became boring old stock trading. Then one day... almost forty years later... in 2018... It all came crashing down.
>In the end, John Bogle's Exchange Traded Fund mutated into a monstrosity that collapsed the whole world economy. And none ofthe experts or leaders or talking heads had a clue it was coming. I'm guessing most of you still don't really know what happened.

>stocks are speculative investments just like crypto

stocks are speculative, but not to nearly the same degree crypto is
crypto has no inherent value, how much it costs is decided entirely by speculation
stocks are companies that produce things of actual tangible value

>>11571026
crypto will never recover
the dream is dead

>>11570943
Data says the opposite.

Opine fuckers.

>>11570992
Thanks anon, I'll probably rebuy every September then. If I can get more time to monitor it I'll put buy orders in and try to get dips then just buy whatever doesn't strike in September.

>>11570233
>sabotage the orange man
No dude. The problem is that the orange man is holding a hot potato ready to blow and the PPT is working overtime and being pushed to their limit to stop it from happening. Their pride in preventing things from playing out naturally is whats going to make this even worse down the road. In fact, the only thing saving us right now is Powell trying to force a strong correction before we hit a proper downturn. Left up to the Orange Man we'd be in a bull market to end all bull markets until election night 2024, at which point he lets the train go off the rails.

>boomers are so assblasted about the massive gains people like me made on crypto from 2014-2018 that they STILL have PTSD almost a year after anyone stopped caring

no i will not put my cryptogains into your bubble, i'm buying during the recession ;)

enjoy holding those bags on the way down lmfao

>>11570943
>>11570754
Here
>>11570937
>I forgot to mention in the post I chose NOBL since it outperforms SPY and has less tech companies waiting to implode as well as higher dividends with guaranteed increases and less volatility. Really matches what I want.

Basically I may be a 20-something, but I'm extremely conservative as far as investing goes. Even if the returns of NOBL weren't higher than SPY I'd still take it for the lowered volatility. Higher dividend to me signals a healthier company as well, especially if an aristocrat.

>>11571075
>buying during a recession

lol, you will buy one dip and then it will go lower.

>>11571004

Potentially (but mostly) true, but that also depends on their ability to track their respective benchmark (in this case the S&P 500). In most cases, the big boys Vanguard, Blackrock, etc. will mostly come out the same in this regard. So yes, the just pick one and set it philosophy works.

Those considerations I left above can act as a tie-breaker between multiple funds/ETFs that look equally good.

>>11571088
that's why you start DCA a bit after the hemmorging begins

you don't need to pick one time to buy everything, just don't want to be the one bleeding out :)

>>11570937
Jan May and Oct are generally shitshow months

>>11571039
Wait, how does buying lots of 3% bluechip portfolios make the yield go up? Surely its still 3%.

>>11570038
>>11570038
Like Josef Staline said, people are a problem. No people, no problem.
It is cery hard to hire the right people who will do the exact thing you are thinkinof
Emperor Trump rakes the risk to hire them anyway and fire them if they don't fit the bill
The stuff Trump did on the Apprentice was basically his way of dealing with people

Su Bae please save my portfolio

>>11571109
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYPhXA2zHCU

>>11571039
He looked disgusting in that film. Like a greasy Italian mobster cosplay.

>>11570937
I looked into what this anon said
>>11570992
It seems like September has the lowest average historically
https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/06/septworstmonth.asp
You both said October too though, guess I can kind of feel it out every year.

>>11571160
>>11571107
oop

>>11569614
>Then force QE and drop interest rates negative
if they do that they are insane
it's probably the only way to keep growth, but if they do, then they are setting themselves up for an ever larger crash

Free broker for EU when?

>>11571192
I don't even know what I'd do if that happened. That's fucking insane desu.

>>11570937
NOBL or VYM? Or 50/50?

Also like KBWY.

I bought a bunch of Nintendo stock this morning, and it turned out to be the day of their earnings report. Anyone know when they'll be released? 5pm Japan time?

honestly almost every single investor, or in general person involved with the markets, is utterly insufferable

either they're the most milquetoast stale white bread bogglehead muh-etf subhuman who one would loath to ever interact with

or a cultist "b-buy the dip" who basically proposes the golden bull run meme

or maybe the least bad since they are entertiaing and kill themselves after they fuck up, people who go all in on leveraged options

or the schizophrenic brain damaged TA fags who think they could possibly compete with companies who employ ivy league PhD Mathematicians

or the people so assblasted about crypto they think anyone who critizes an insane bubble market where derivatives have a value of like 100 quadrillion dollars and i can make money based on a triple inverse leverged derivative that pays out for bad weather in bumfuck idaho

basically i really fucking despise all of you and if you want to get rich fucking invent something and either sell it or the patent, you degenerate brainlet filth.

>having bullish positions in a bear market
the absolute state of biz

>>11571249
based and redpilled

>>11571215
those are investment funds? why would you buy in, buy stock and stock funds, before a crash, before the bear?

>>11571249
Today was a good day.

>>11571259
Going to be buying them all the way down. Not too concerned about good dividend funds that aren't tech heavy.

>>11571279
indeed, fellow bear

>>11571249
took me a few days to accept it, but yet we officialy bear market now. up 500 on the daily off sqqq calls.

>>11571233
>he thinks using words like milquetoast and bogglehead make him smart

the easiest way to spot a brainlet
the true value of BTC is $0

>>11571233
You

>>11571308
>can't accept that all markets are bubbles
absolutely seething

>>11571283
noted
I plan on buying SPDR after the storm, and not because of line anon with his chart way above
I'm in on SDS atm, hoping for a crash, but probably somewhat retarded of me anyway

>>11571291
>>11571295
NASDAQ gonna tank further.
S&P 2550 tomorrow.
Let's clean up.

I'm waiting for AMD to hit $5 or lower. Got money in my account just waiting to strike. It's at almost $17 now, just $12 more to go. You can do it! .. keep falling buddy, keep falling.

>>11571233

>>11569525
>>11569525
>>11569525
NEW THREAD

>>11571233
i hope you have a better day tomorrow aynawn

god this is the most brainlet board, must be all the mutts

glad you faggots dont come to good boards like /lit/ or /int/

>>11571353
wew

>>11571342
>>11571342
>>11571342
NEW THREAD

>>11571337
haha, I want in on AMD too
let it all burn, baby!
got any other lookers?

>>11571233

>>11571336
>even if I went all in 3x short SPX to 2550, I’d only make back half my losses.
This is advanced darkness

>>11571433
did you at least sell out? or are you unironically waiting for QE and negative interest rates?

Guys, I am close to suicide. I bought BABA at 170 and then again at 160. I have half my portfolio tied up in it.

>>11571467
>chinese garbage

>>11571467
are you joking? what the hell were you thinking, and buying near top as well
alibaba, who gives a shit, even
why not just go flush your money down the toilet instead? must be more fun and less worrying
what else is in your portfolio?

>>11571504
VHT MGK VCR and then my Roth IRA

GET OUT OF WEED STOCKS AND BUY TOBACCO COMPANIES.

They're going to get gobbled up by them in the future.

>>11571544
>VHT MGK VCR
how have you not sold out already? or did you retardedly buy at the peak?
why even have VHT any more at all? jesus christ

>>11571467
>BABA
its going to 88 for sure kek

>>11571587
spooky

>>11569689
Where you're going ?
to the bottom

>>11571631
I am, but I bought scuba gear and a survival kit

>>11571607
w-what @_@

>>11571585
>>11571504

I see what you are doing /biz/... trying to get me to sell.

Not going to work.

>>11571336
my regret is not buying more sqqq calls before EOD

>>11571215
I'll look into VYM, but NOBL is my first pick. I see really high growth potential for KBWY, even if it doesn't the dividends are high af.

>>11571670
those were both me, and I would have sold out of everything long ago
when did you buy?

first for barrick gold