/biz/ - Business & Finance

https://cryptobriefing.com/nano-transaction-scalable-cryptocurrencies/

a new update has come out

https://cryptorecorder.com/2018/10/05/nano-coin-nano-just-makes-sense-to-have-in-a-crypto-portfolio/

>>11441862
need to add to some more exchanges, I'm sick of using shitty xrp and shitty xlm.

>>11441862
>>11441874
>>11441918
I'lll just post this before the nano fudder NPC ruins the thread.

>>11441928
That is a detail that is holding it back, along with poor user friendly interface. But that's pretty minor and it'll improve in time. Most coins have issues like this, its still early in crypto and not much real world use is there, but nano has good devs, and are aware of their issues

>>11441941
There's a lot of people who lost a lot of NANO in the bitgrail fiasco (google if you are not aware) so there is a lot of built up resentment for those who lost money. It was a very unfortunate moment in crypto for them, but it doesn't change the reality of the potential for the coin (which, yes, isn't perfect yet). The excess FUD isn't really doing much though, people with real money who don't spend time FUDDING and copy pasting poorly cited sources will be the ones to take advantage when the next bull run happens

If anyone has any questions about nano, I will do my best to present what I know and why it is worth your money

>>11441987
the same thing happend with BTC and Mt. Gox. the salt is their cope for their stupidity.

>>11441862
i don't think there's enough space in the top 10 for all the top 10 coins shilled on /biz/

>>11442124
If your comparing nano to the other shit coins like chainlink shilled on /biz/ that is not a valid comparison.

>>11442124
i kekd some.
6/10

Epoch block was just released - vote stapling, spam prevention, pruning and lazy bootstraping all coming by the end of the year. That finishes the protocol. Get in a bit before that for some sweet sweet gains

133 NANO is about 21 BTC in supply. Best be prepared if this thing is the real deal

>>11442280
>>11442307
this. loaded up and ready for launch. i'll see you lads on alpha centauri

>>11442280
good news!

>>11441862
Nano is a joke and got totally rekt here: >>11434399

This is why the nano idiots had to open up a new thread. Nano bagholders are losers.

>>11442067
Why are you nanos always lying about your TPS. You only have 756 TPS, so how will you ever become a global currency when VISA has 56 000 TPS? Also why are your devs the worst in crypto? Pic related.

>>11442307
64 Bitconnect is 21 BTC in supply. Great argument nano zombie.

>>11442607

>>11442067
Go to this thread and try to debunk all the documented flaws in nano then. Go ahead, make us laugh
>>11434399

Good luck

>>11442655
TPS will increase overtime with more updates. With Visa and bitcoin, it would take a massive restructuring of their networks to be able to improve their TPS. They are also centralized and not free. BCH big blocks will only go so far until it hits other massive problems. Other fast coins which have fees and/Or are centralised. It can hit 7000 TPS in a stress test, but its not necessary right now.

>>11441987
>people with real money who don't spend time FUDDING
Nano down over 5%. What an idiot.

>Pic, Nano hodler getting assraped since January 2018, buying some more, while screaming: "2 da moooOOoooon!!

>>11442668
Not an argument. Just need to be prepared for many possible futures.
Sorry if 133 NANO is breaking the bank for you, but for many of us it's not a big amount.

>>11442739
>pic related
who would do this to themselves?

>>11442739
a huge percent of coins that existed prior to summer 2017 are down in this market, regardless of function. Yes, people with real money understand the value of this coin and you will see it in the next bullrun. copy pasted FUD doesn't change the point that is coin is feeless, scalable, and fast in transaction

>>11442726
Nano has 756 TPS now. Even if you somehow manage to do 7000 TPS without your usual node crashed, it is totally adequate to serve the global market. What is your max TPS, with timeline and documentation. Your claim that Nano can do 7000 TPS is false.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nanocurrency/comments/98alqy/why_isnt_stress_test_result_published_as_5700_tps/

Why would VISA have a problem with increasing their current 56 000 TPS? Documentation.

>>11442607
>>11442655
>>11442672
>>11442680
>>11442739
shit he found our thread... lmao.

>>11442777
Documented flaws in nano and its management is not FUD. Grow up nano developer. >>11442749

>>11442788
kekd and checked

>>11442655
Read my previous post on how things are going to get even better (than already one of the best tps crytpos lol @ the rest of them)

>>11442726
That a nano developer is lying publicly about Nano TPS is pretty pathetic.
>>11442749
https://www.reddit.com/r/nanocurrency/comments/98alqy/why_isnt_stress_test_result_published_as_5700_tps/

>>11442784
VISA doesn't currently have even 56k TPS, its theoretical and hasn't been tested, and they only really need 4000 TPS at peak hours to function. Nano has proven 756 TPS as an early technology, and a potential of 7000. the world doesnt need over 10K TPS, past that point its pretty much useless and a waste of money to stress test. Also, NANO is nearly completely feeless, only costing the amount of electricity needed for the transaction

>>11442837
You have 756 TPS, do you understand how insane it is to claim that you will be a global currency? You have no chance. Ethereum are working on solutions with one million TPS. Nano TPS is a total joke. Believing you ever will be a global currency is a joke. What do you do with spam attacks?

>>11442852
doin god's work anon

The fudder gets all his news and investing tips from Quora lol - the absolute state of his brain

>>11442885
it's why i really believe he is reverse trolling. if not, he is the most brainlet of brainlets

>>11442874
Etherium is working on second layer solutions.. You realise everyone has to go through the first layer right? Do you know anything about Crypto? Maybe as Quora a few more questions and come back. P.S vote stapling, spam prevention, pruning and lazy bootstraping mmk they fix all your fud. Goodbye and best of luck on Quora. Maybe spread your knowledge references to more than old questions answered by people all in on elastos

>>11442852
>VISA doesn't currently have even 56k TPS
False: https://www.accenture.com/no-en/success-visa-connected-commerce-car

> they only really need 4000 TPS at peak hours to function.
Again you are lying. Pathetic for a nano developer. Visa is not used for micro payments, like buying coffee. Are 4000 TPS enough for peak performance during Christmas etc. I doubt that. Documentation.

Why do you not come over to this thread and answer all the points? >>11434399
If I try to present them here your nanoids will only flag me for spam. Please explain, nano developer.

>>11442885
>The fudder gets all his news and investing tips from Quora lol - the absolute state of his brain
More lies from the nano apes.

>>11442913
>Etherium is working on second layer solutions.
You do realize that the consumers don't care, right? If global demand is millions of TPS and Ethereum can serve the market and nano has laughable 756 TPS, it makes nano utterly useless and a joke, second layer or not. Do you have any business understanding at all?

>>11442930
Well if you cant find simple answer to your questions in the appropriate place (lol asking biz tech questions) then you're a lost cause and can fark off back to bitgrail.

I went through and fucking destroyed your very first fud point and your were left completely stunned and the was just the very first point. You're a lost cause if you cant see the rest of your list is a fucking laugh. You must have really got butfucked by bitgrail

>>11442945
>millions of TPS
has to be reverse trolling. this seals it. no one is this retarded

>>11442921
>Visa is not used for micro payments, like buying coffee
yep, definitely reverse trolling.
ONE OF US
ONE OF US

>>11442945
Cant you see that the base protocol matters? Can you not wrap your little brainlet mind around the fact nano can have second layer protocol over itself aswell? Do you realise people could onboard that protocol faster than any other crypto and for fucking free? lol got damn I dont know what you are thinking.

>>11442945
the faster the base layer the faster the second layer. so 756 tps at base is tons better than the 30 ethereum can do.

in a few minutes, he'll reset his IP and post the anime NANO images and the ones with money flying around in them

>>11442996
do I need to make more nanofudder NPCs ?

>>11442930
If this goes under $.50 I might buy a small bag, but honestly the world doesn't need another payment token, even if it's instant and free.

If you think anyone actually cares about using this shit for any other reason than making themselves rich, you're retarded.

>>11442945
>>11442930
>>11442921

>VISA doesn't currently have even 56k TPS
That link that was shared doesn't really say anything.

https://usa.visa.com/run-your-business/small-business-tools/retail.html

This website advertises an average of 150 million transactions a day, divide that by 86400 to get...

150 million divided by 86400 = 1766 tps, which is literally the entire planet that uses VISA. Like i said, anything over 4k TPS isn't really necessary, AND nano has no fees that need to be paid to a massive Finance company. Does NANO HAVE to be a world currency to be successful? of course not. It could be very successful itself for unique applications and small money transfers

>>11443013
> If you think anyone actually cares about using this shit for any other reason than making themselves rich, you're retarded.

the people that use them for other shit than getting rich are the ones getting rich.

you fail fren. if you buy to get rich you wont get it.

>>11443013
The world needs many currencies competing. It is the way we will break free of artificial resource constraints imposed by the elite.

>>11443011
checked and yes anon, if you feel like it. i enjoy them

>>11442980
>yep, definitely reverse trolling.
You use Visa for 1 USD cup of cofee? Are you insane nonoid?

>>11443013
>he fell for the platform coin meme
there is literally no reason to host dapps on blockchain. it's horribly inefficient and literally only to make scams.
P2P cryptocurrencies are all that matters and if you cannot grasp that, you will literally never make it

>>11443019
You are a nano developer and you have now a golden opportunity to try to debunk my criticism of Nano. Instead you run away and direct people over to this thread, where I can not post my criticism since your nano zombies already flag my comments. Why are you unable to make your comments and answer all my questions directly?
>>11443030

>>11443052
kek, i'm definitely not, but the merchants who accept visa for a $1 cup of coffee definitely are. checkmate atheists

>>11443052
Its called a cashless society grandpa. Heard of paypass? googlepay? applepay? Stop paying with shillings and pences. How are you even invested in Crypto. The absolute state of this fudster lol

>>11443064
No one goes on your thread because you just spammed points without rebuttal expecting people to believe them. This is a new thread without massive copypasted arguments with little citation. No one can understand any of the muddled arguments in the other threads. If they are legitimate arguments, post one at a time and they can be debated

>>11443019
>That link that was shared doesn't really say anything.
False

>This website advertises an average of 150 million transactions a day, divide that by 86400 to get...
Both Nano and Visa must have network capacity to handle peaks, like Christmas or emergency situations, not average. A currency that breaks down every Christmas or when you really need it in an emergence is utterly useless. That a nano developer does not even understand basic micro economic is worrisome.

>>11443025
>>11443054

Nah the gulf of adoption is just too wide. I can see BTC being used a reserve currency, but shitocins like nano or ripple are just cash grabs. No one gives a shit about the principles like libertarians did with BTC, the redditors who hold and promoote these shitocins only care about them mooning, which is why they'll never work. The ponzi is over and you're the one holding the bag.

>>11443052
> $1 cup of coffee.
nigga this is inflated dollaroos currency.
costs atleast $5 for a coffee if you are out in the city.

>>11442957
>I went through and fucking destroyed your very first fud point and your were left completely stunned and the was just the very first point
You must be on drugs. Fool. Grandiose delusion. It's a medical term, look it up.

>>11443101
cool story, bro. i'll be waving at you from Elysium while you're stuck on earth with the plebs

>>11443101
I have sceenshotted this post and will troll you forever in 5 years from now.

>>11443095
OK.
>Nano has 756 TPS [1][2]. VISA can handle over 56,000 TPS [3]. Competitors work on 1 million TPS solutions [4]. Nano’s aim to be global currency is either delusional or a fraud.

[1] https://archive.is/8mMEU
[2] https://archive.is/LUN33
[3] https://archive.is/V30nG
[4] https://archive.is/pk03o

See also: >>11443099

>>11443131

>>11441862
>7,000 TPS was falsely boosted and promoted, causing the Nano price to skyrocket 97.7x in December 2016 alone. Real transactions per second (TPS) for Nano, however, was a meagre and pathetic 100-200 TPS [5].
[5] http://archive.is/iq9fP

>>11443163
>actually making shoops for this
my sides

>>11443163 Also:
>Nano falsely claim theoretical unlimited scalability, only constrained by hardware and bandwidth limitation [6]. This is as absurd as claiming that a car has unlimited speed theoretically, and the goal is to drive so fast that the car escapes earth’s gravitational field and park on the moon. Nano’s technical updates don’t bring it closer to the goal. It’s like saying the improvements on the engine of the car has brought us closer to driving to the moon.
>Nano advocates like to use average demand as benchmark for needed TPS. This is false. Who will use a currency that will crash at every emergency, at Christmas and other holidays?

[6] https://nano.org/en/whitepaper

>>11441862
>completely feeless
>quick transactions
>completely full of bugs

wow nice currency my'dude

>>11441862
>>11443095
>Nano (Raiblocks) was a dead amateur coin, worth less than 10 cents less than a year ago, until it was discovered and pumped hard by Italian scammers. Only after the pump did Nano full time dev. This amateur project has had a full-time dev for less than a year, with a horrific team and management picked among incompetent friends and supporters.
>Why did Zack Shapiro leave the team? Why no real explanation from the Nano team?
>Why was G. Coxton, what is her qualifications and what has she done? Why is she not on YT promoting Nano?

>>11441862
>>11443095
>Constant node issues. Withdrawals/deposits suspended on several exchanges due to security and stability issues, multiple times, every single month. All exchanges down less than 6 weeks ago [8]. Kucoin less than 3 weeks ago [9]. Another failed update and node crash this week [10][11]. This despite being miles behind having any sort of global currency traffic. Nano could be years away from even having the potential to be a well-functioning global currency.

[8] http://archive.fo/v2noA
[9] https://news.kucoin.com/en/nano-deposits-and-withdrawals-are-now-enabled/
[10] https://medium.com/nanocurrency/weekly-nano-update-9-17-18-834f3a493994
[11] https://www.reddit.com/r/BinanceExchange/comments/9flnx5/is_nano_deposit_broken_someone_also_having/

>>11443131
You're pic is really related because Proof of Work was a probably the most significant tech development of the last decade. Bitcoin was brilliant and had an organic community dedicated to the principles behind it. Nano, on the other hand, just has a bunch of fags who bought it for $20 or so and got dumped on by people who bought massive stacks at less than $.01.

No one in the nano community gives a shit about anything beyond seeing nano go up in USD. Which is fine, but you're never going to get a significant share of the crypto market, much less the mainstream.

Again, I'd speculate on it if it ever goes below $.50 or so. But even then you're still begging to get dumped on. The whole point of this thing is as a speculative tool for retards who missed the boat on BTC who are lured in by nano being fast and free, which is great, really, but people who are buying your bags aren't going to give a shit about that.

>>11441862
>>11443095
>Coinbase will only use coins stable for multiple months. Nano is far away from that, see above and [8] [9] [10] [11]. Coinbase will also stay away from a coin riddled with legal problems [7] [12]. Best case scenario is having Nano on Coinbase late 2019, if at all, leaving Nano hopelessly behind other cryptocurrencies.
>One single miner can destroy the network via DDoS with 500 GPUs at no cost [13] [14]. A critical attack vector never seriously addressed by the Nano dev team. Having the problem highlighted to them, admitting to it, their response has been the usual -to promise and deflect -without providing any real technical solution. Nano is wide open for a massive spam attack crippling the network for a long time. This also scares the Coinbase experts; a total crash in Nano, via spam vulnerability and insane node issues, will reflect badly on Coinbase.
>Nano team seem like tech amateurs. Don’t understand the difference between Random (not cryptographically secure) and SecureRandom. Don’t even understand basic cryptography. A disaster in waiting.

[7] http://archive.is/lDoCW
[8] http://archive.fo/v2noA
[9] https://news.kucoin.com/en/nano-deposits-and-withdrawals-are-now-enabled/
[10] https://medium.com/nanocurrency/weekly-nano-update-9-17-18-834f3a493994
[11] https://www.reddit.com/r/BinanceExchange/comments/9flnx5/is_nano_deposit_broken_someone_also_having/
[12] http://archive.is/dOMVA
[13] https://www.reddit.com/r/nanotrade/comments/7vwl86/what_are_the_faults_of_nano/dtvpymd/
[14] https://www.reddit.com/r/nanocurrency/comments/90wu2v/what_are_the_negative_things_with_nano/e2tskr8/

>>11443189
>>11443232
>>11443248
>>11443265
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyF8RHM1OCg

>>11443258
>t. Tone Vays and Jimmy Song

>>11441862
>>11443095
>Former head of engineering at Facebook, Bryan Veloso: Nano "just a hype...no real use case" [16]. Currently NANO is only processing 0.15 transactions per second. Transactions have gone down in the last months. Extreme low usage combined with a very speculative 90x pump in just one month, causing a flash crash, are all indicators of a coin with pure hype and speculation, without any real value. Bryan Veloso’s claim that Nano is just hype with no real use cases is validated by empirical data.
>Charlie Lee, creator of Litecoin: “Nano will have a hard time being decentralized... It won't be as uncensorable as Bitcoin or Litecoin” [17]. “Nano is not without faults...it has a LONG way to go” [18].
>Millions of USD sold from the Nano Developer Wallet lately, at extremely low prices. Not a good sign that devs are dumping Nano in a fire sale [15].
>Nano team marketing strategy is to have no marketing strategy.
>Nano team adoption strategy is to have no adoption strategy.
>Nano’s essentially following same strategy as Betamax vs VHS and HD vs BluRay.
>First coin on Amazon, eBay, etc. will be the global currency. Nano’s avoiding partnership. Nano’s publicly stated “strategy” is to not seek strategic partnership, basis being that USD has no partnership as a currency, so why should Nano have one. Ridiculous.

[15] https://www.nanode.co/account/xrb_1ipx847tk8o46pwxt5qjdbncjqcbwcc1rrmqnkztrfjy5k7z4imsrata9est
[16] https://www.quora.com/Is-the-NANO-crypto-coin-a-working-product-If-so-what-advantage-does-it-have-over-on-other-crypto-coins
[17] http://archive.is/e7oVV
[18] http://archive.is/GvyPd

>>11441862
>Dev fund is dangerously low, they may burn through it in a matter of 1-3 years [15]. Also, multiple pending and coming lawsuits against the Nano foundation.
>100 addresses hold 65% of all 133 million Nano. Initial distribution to friends of developers, nontransparent distribution method. Who solved the captchas? Where is the audit? Extreme centralization that only got worse with BitGrail, where large holders of Nano (including devs/friends of devs) managed illegally and unethically to get out of the insolvent exchange, leaving normal investors behind to take an 80% loss.
> 51.27% voting weight, held in 6 addresses, opens vulnerability to devastating 51% attacks.
>Flawed structure, currently insane 92% of the voting power in the top 1% of the nodes only [19]
[15] https://www.nanode.co/account/xrb_1ipx847tk8o46pwxt5qjdbncjqcbwcc1rrmqnkztrfjy5k7z4imsrata9est
[19] https://www.nanode.co/representatives

>>11443288
>>11443265
>>11443232
>>11443189
>>11443176
>>11443163
oh lord, he went mad again and started his iteration post program.>>11443011

>>11443288
>software should be ready to go from day 1 without ever needing updates every again.
this shit is old news. come join everyone in Oct 2018, bro. software gets upgrades and improvements, that's how it works

>>11443318
I have a nano dev here that said that he would answer my points one by one. No idea why he would not just answer them on the other thread.

>>11443335
why can't you be patient instead of sperging and starting your shitfest spamming again

>>11441862
>>11443095
>No smart contracts. Masternode coins utilizing high capacity data contracts on their second layer are the future. Nano can't do any of this, it cannot compete with other coins.
>Must run expensive nodes for free. A borderline insane and untested business model that will most likely crash the network. Even if it worked, no matter how unlikely, with full adaption the cost of running a node would be astronomical, leading to extreme centralization. Having again the elites controlling our money must be avoided. No financial incentives for DPOS representatives to keep securing the network.
>70% centralization of all Nano, due to Nano original developers setting default node to their own.

[19] https://www.nanode.co/representatives

>>11443344
He has not even tried to answer my first point. I don't have whole day hanging around.

>>11443373
> I don't have all day hanging around

yet you are always on /biz/ posting the same fucking spamfest

lmao.

>>11443362
literally who

>>11441862
>>11443095
>The code hasn't even been audited by an established software security company. Why not?
>Nano is permissioned and non-trustless [20]
>90% of github commits by only one person (Colin) in the whole “team”.
>Nano team are business amateurs. Pushed BitGrail when clearly a dangerous exchange. Guaranteed bomber as a good guy. Rebranded to Nano right before BitGrail exploded.

[20] https://www.reddit.com/r/nanocurrency/comments/92b1at/how_does_nanos_dpos_compare_to_other_dpos_such_as/

>>11443397
>wants "issues" answered
>was asked to slow down posts so dev could catch up
>continues spamposting
you really are retarded

>>11441862
>>11443095
>Nano has no ‘human face’ for people to connect with, it’s just an empty logo. Unlike other top 10 coins – e.g. Ethereum has Vitalik, Tron has Justin Sun, Litecoin had Charlie Lee. NEO has Da Hong Fei. EOS has Dan L. etc.
>Nano has post Bitgrail probably the worst community in crypto [22][23], much of it due to the Nano teams catastrophic handling of the Bitgrail crash.
>There are many other coins that are far better than Nano, with instant transactions, zero fees, near infinite scalability, near infinite decentralization, permissionlessness and trustlessness, 1 millionth the energy usage of Bitcoin [24][25][26]. Nano is an extremely risky investment [27]

[22] >>11104923 →
[23] http://archive.is/DlNyk
[24] https://www.quora.com/What-are-crypto-currencies-you-are-bullish-on-for-the-next-bull-run/answer/Marius-Kramer
[25] https://www.quora.com/Which-is-the-best-crypto-currency-to-buy-in-September-2018/answer/Marius-Kramer
[26] https://www.quora.com/What-makes-a-bad-crypto-currency/answer/Marius-Kramer
[27] https://youtu.be/JS9tJgbFTUA?t=27m27s

>>11443409
>was asked to slow down posts so dev could catch up
The nano dev did not ask me that. He ran away from the original thread, claimed I had to present it to him one by one. I did. Some other nanoid that usual flag my comments told me to stop/slow down. Why are you nanoids always so dishonest? Why can't you even answer basic questions?

>>11443444
Imagine being this butthurt over fake internet money.

Imagine resorting to Quora for your references. Why not Yahoo answer, my friend?

>>11441862
>>11443095
Nano’s relationship with BitGrail, their main trading platform, was incestuous and dirty from the very beginning. However, after “Bomber”, CEO of BitGrail found out that his exchange had been hacked for 80% of their Nano assets in October 2017, close to 10% of total supply of Nano, the relationship between Nano devs and BitGrail became criminal.

BITGRAIL PROBLEMS KNOWN BY NANO DEV TEAM PRIOR TO BITGRAIL CRASH
>Insolvency of BitGrail and missing 10 million nano, discovered and made public by the Nano community [1][2]
>Missing transactions on BitGrail, discovered and made public by the Nano community [2][3]
>Single transactions replicated multiple times on BitGrail, discovered and made public by the Nano community [4][3][5][6].
>Millions of Nanos moving out from BitGrail, when the exchange was closed for withdrawals, discovered and made public by the Nano community [7].
>Withdrawals on BitGrail blocked for weeks due to alleged ‘maintenance’.
>Withdrawals on BitGrail blocked for weeks due to ‘KYC’ excuse [8] [9]. Hundreds of thousands remained unverified [10].
>Withdrawals on BitGrail blocked for weeks, due to alleged ‘pending withdrawals’, which were never processed [11].
>Nano withdrawals on BitGrail blocked for weeks due to node problems.
>Customer support ignores tickets - not just for days but for weeks [12]
>Bomber increasingly unhinged and psychotic. Insults his customers on social media for asking legitimate questions [12]. Nano community expressed concern to the Nano devs

[1] https://archive.is/8mMEU
[2] https://archive.is/LUN33
[3] https://archive.is/V30nG
[4] https://archive.is/pk03o
[5] https://prnt.sc/ilv1gl
[6] https://prnt.sc/ilv0p6
[7] https://archive.is/Wkgvn
[8] https://bitsonline.com/raiblocks-nano-bitgrail-epic-fail/
[9] https://archive.is/CKs1V
[10] https://imgur.com/a/rOn3Seb
[11] https://archive.is/RW944
[12] https://archive.is/DM6Nl

>>11443480
>>11443095
>post one at a time and they can be debated
YOU FUICKING BRAINLET.

>>11443504
i never report posts, but it's happening now. you are a literal retard. now fucking stop this shit, so the dev can answer you're retarded concerns

>>11443514
When arguments are logically grouped together and support each other, they must be posted in groups. Stay afraid, nano bagholders. Don't forget to run away or spew your usual and childish ad hominem.

>>11441862
>>11443095
NANO DEVS ILLEGAL & UNETHICAL ACTIVITIES PRE-BITGRAIL CRASH (1 of 2)

>Accounts connected to Nano devs moving around millions of Nano, do arbitrage between exchanges. [13][7][14].
>Accounts connected to Nano devs moving around millions of Nano move assets to safety. Just one of these accounts handled 50million USD [13][7][14][15].
>Insider trading on BitGrail done via accounts connected to Nano Devs. Traded tens of millions of dollars [15].
>Nano dev team used incestuous relationship with Bomber to get instant KYC verification [16], impossible for standard Nano investors.
>Ordinary Nano investors accounts blocked from doing arbitrage, moving assets to safety or doing insider trading, unlike Nano dev team. Stuck with coming 80% loss [17].

[13] https://archive.is/acLnr
[14] https://imgur.com/a/Owlui
[15] https://archive.is/pC3vC
[16] https://imgur.com/a/mJMhlx3
[17] http://archive.is/86eDr

>>11443549
You nano zombies have done it all the time. This is why your nano dev didn't want to discuss my points on my thread, He wanted me to copy them here, so you disgusting and cowardly nanoids could then report me. That's how you nano a$$holes role. You have been slimy and bitconnect 2.0 since day one, when your shitcoin was discovered and pushed by italian scammers.

>>11443589
good suggestion, i'll report you.

>>11441862
>>11443095
>Zack Shapiro (Nano dev): Everything under control. Just too much work with KYC. Not insolvent. (statement made 4 days before BitGrail insolvent) [18].
>Zack Shapiro: No reason to worry, BitGrail doing normal KYC, “scams don’t do that” [19]
>Zack Shapiro: “Yes, you can [trust BitGrail]. I talk to Bomber every day and he’s a good guy. We’ll get it all sorted next week. Just hang in there” [20] [21]
>Zack Shapiro: Confirms BitGrail is a serious business. “Opposite of an exit scam actually” [22]
>Zack Shapiro: BitGrail is “Legitimate. Complying with the laws of their contry” [23]
>Zack Shapiro: “Funds are safe on Bitgrail…Again, funds are safe” [24][25]
>Mica Busch (Nano dev): ‘‘funds are safe, [BitGrails] representative account does not show any suspicious activity’’ [26]
>Nano: “Be assured that your funds are safe” [27][28]

[18] https://imgur.com/a/aFYpDyk
[19] https://imgur.com/a/KNg2src
[20] https://imgur.com/a/o8lIwDz
[21] https://imgur.com/a/urpgzwv
[22] https://imgur.com/a/G7fgqWV
[23] https://imgur.com/a/4YcVEji
[24] https://imgur.com/a/IWP2thd
[25] https://imgur.com/a/rFV6BJy
[26] https://archive.is/bfd0Y
[27] https://imgur.com/a/ql0cjLP
[28] https://archive.is/dykfh

>>11443602
Why must you spam?

>>11443596
Of course, you sure as hell can't defend your shitcoin and amateur dev team with facts and logic.

>>11443551
>they must be posted in groups
that is fine, you illiterate faggot. but to not wait for responses to them, it absolute female-tier behavior

>>11443629
fucking wait for responses you literal retard

>>11443622
Nano dev refused to answer my questions here:
>>11442749

I moved over and of course the cowardly nano fanbois are now reporting me. Disgusting and pathetic, but not unexpected from the utterly dishonest and unethical nano community and team.

>>11443660
you are the most assblsated poster i have ever seen on 4chan and that is saying something. i hope the dopamine hits from all these (yous) gives you some satisfaction in your miserable existence

>>11441862
>>11443095
NANO DEVS ILLEGAL & UNETHICAL ACTIVITIES PRE-BITGRAIL CRASH (2 of 2)

>Person who discovered and exposed 50million USD account being connected to Nano Dev team, got later banned from Nano subreddit [13].
>Nano community member who discovered/reported that nearly all nano on BitGrail was missing, was forced to delete initial post titled; ‘10 Million XRB Possibly Missing XRB From BitGrail’ [2] and repost under different headline ‘I need some help with tracing funds’ [1].
>Nano team systematically deleted threads of investors’ concerns and the sharing of new information regarding BitGrail [4].
>Nano dev team confirmed knowing about all BitGrail problems, told investors to relax, and promised a thorough investigation [29][30][28]. ‘Developers are taking care of that’ [31].

[1] https://archive.is/8mMEU
[2] https://archive.is/LUN33
[3] https://archive.is/V30nG
[4] https://archive.is/pk03o
[13] https://archive.is/acLnr
[28] https://archive.is/dykfh
[29] https://i.imgur.com/ddzQlVw.jpg
[30] https://i.imgur.com/7xwM1Lx.jpg
[31] https://i.imgur.com/e8n7fWo.jpg

>>11443660
I get it that you are upset, but please stop literal spam.

>>11441862
>>11443095
NANO DEVS ILLEGAL & UNETHICAL ACTIVITEIS POST-BIGRAIL CRASH

>Nano Dev team claimed to do all they could to investigate and find missing Nano. No update since. Nothing done. [32]
>Nano community did all the work, themselves researching/investigating. [33][34][35] [32][41].
>BitGrail victim group representative, Espen Enger met with Nano lawyer Josh Kleiman in Italy [36]. Details of the deal made with the Nano team is not made known to the BitGrail victims.
>After meeting between Enger and Kleiman all criticism of Nano Dev team became banned on BitGrail victim discord [37].
>Change in BitGrail victim group management. Protection of Nano Dev team and suddenly non BitGrail victims used as hostile mods on BitGrail victim group discord [38].
>Don’t be surprised if Enger gets millions, and/or cushy job at Nano when all this is over. As a big thank you from the shady Nano team.

[32] https://archive.is/lTCkP
[33] https://archive.is/o1BmU
[34] https://archive.is/8Md3N
[35] https://archive.is/f4Q8E
[36] https://youtu.be/40aufi9oJno?t=10m16s [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]
[37] https://imgur.com/a/gQmoQv0
[38] https://imgur.com/a/d8xG4QL

>>11443685
>>11443707
>literally spamming like a faggot
>in every NANO thread since August
fucking miner who knows his days are numbered or literal retard who wanted to get rich on BitGrail. i'm going with option 2.

>>11443689
To be fair, he was directed to this thread by a Nano developer who claimed they'd be able to debunk the points (he's linked this in his comment), and from what I've seen the Nano developer hasn't even tried to respond.

>>11442085
This only the best coins suffer hacks. Notice how xrp has never been hacked but btc eth nem and nano all have.

>>11443816
why don't you read the thread, retard. these posts are all him. notice the images?
>>11443095
>>11443019
>>11442852
>>11442777
>>11442726
>>11442067
>>11441987
>>11441918

>>11443836
the coins didn't get hacked, brainlet. in BTC and NANO's cases, exchanges did. can't speak for the other two platform shitcoins.
>XRP
fucking kek. nice try, ((guy))

>>11443860
nano had huge consensus/integrity issues with double spends though, due to it's flawed dag design

>>11443871
you guys just keep coming. how many of you are there? this is bullish to me. if NANO really is a shitcoin, you fags wouldn't be coming at it so hard.
>huge consensus/integrity issues with double spends though
it literally didn't

>>11441862
>>11442067
>>11441987
>>11443095
Most of my comments got removed as the cowardly nano community reported my exposure of their shitcoin and unethical dev team. Just as II predicted here:
>>11443030

>>11443891
no fag. you were spamming the thread like you have been since the summer and we finally reported your stupid ass. if the developer is still in the thread, he may actually answer your questions if you can ask them like an adult and not a spastic aspie

>>11441862
>>11442067
>>11441987
>>11443095
Most of my comments got removed as the cowardly nano community reported my exposure of their shitcoin and unethical dev team. Just as I predicted here:
>>11443030 →

>>11443891
>>11443922
fucking poetic

>>11443843
No, retard. He said he'd go through the Nano issues point by point, and redirected the guy whose comments are now being deleted (like he said they would be). Where is this developer now? Run away.

Fyi, those graphs may seem impressive to retards like you, but they are garbage and answer nothing.

>>11443936
they aren't impressive retard. they're the same as the image he posted in the other thread when he said to come here. it's an identifier you colossal retard

>>11443936
he said he would actively answer questions, not pasta. do you understand what that means, idiot?
>>11443095
>>11442749

>>11443936
and no one ran away. they left because when you were posting questions 1 at a time they were getting btfo out by him and the other guy. so, you resorted to spamming pasta to derail the thread.

>>11443944
Glad you aren't impressed by the images, retard. Those graphs answer NOTHING.

He said he'd answer the other Nano issues identified over in that thread, here in this thread, the guy starts posting here (as the developer asked him to) and now the developer is gone. Where are his new posts?

>>11444023
he did not say he would answer the other issues addressed in that thread. he said if questions were actively asked in this thread 1 by one (not pasta) he would answer them. it literally says it right fucking here >>11442749. what the fuck is wrong with you and how can one person be so brainlet?

>>11443974
>he said he would actively answer questions
Exactly, retard. The guy he redirected to this thread starts posting the same questions from the other thread (why wouldn't he paste them?), and then the Nano community here flags the comments of the guy who was invited to this thread by this developer!
And this developer guy is no where to be found now. He ran away, retard.

>>11444067
what about (INSTEAD OF COPYPASTA) do you not understand?
you are just repeating the same shit over and over and you are being a retard on purpose or are an actual female.

>>11444067
read this again you absolute mong >>11444002

>>11444046
The questions were there, is the guy supposed to retype all the questions again here for the developer?
It was split up over different comments. He can pick point by point, answer the ones he can and for the ones he can't, just say it. Simple.

Question is, what the fuck is wrong with you, retard.

>>11444115
the pasta isn't questions. these are and they are still here >>11442655>>11442739
>>11442784 >>11442921
>>11442930
>>11443064
and the dev answered all of them and btfo out of that faggot (YOU). then the spam started to derail. how fucking retarded are you

>>11444106
No, you read my comments again, it's obvious what is going on, you retard.

>>11444148
it's obvious to no one but you and your delusions

>>11444138
The developer answered fuck all in his earlier comments, you retard. later ran away when the guy started posting the same questions in bite sized format on this thread. The developer lied and he ran away. Simple.

>>11444177
>autism: the post

I am being flagged and reported by Nano community here. Comments being removed. Of course, surprise surprise -_-

>>11444189
not by me. but mods have been watching this thread and everyone reading knows you're intentionally derailing it.

>>11443660
You are so autisticly dedicated to spamming nano threads, what drives this passion of yours?

>>11443860
I was saying xrp isnt hacked because no one wants it. Reread it fren. And yea it's actually exchanges that get hacked.

>>11444417
>And yea it's actually exchanges that get hacked
the fact you intentionally distorted this fact made me think you were subtle shilling for XRP.

>>11444530
I did it intentionally as I was being lazy. The point I was trying to focus on was that only coins in high demand get targeted for theft. I thought it obvious that coins themselves dont get hacked.

Can you nano fags GET THE FUCK OUT BACK TO PLEBIT?

Fucking cult ...

And fucking noone cares its fast, NOONE GIVES FUCK COIN IS FAST for fuck sake, everything in crypto will scale Tps storys are meme at this point.

GO SUCK DATADASH DICK

>>11445297
This

At least shit shilled here like link got some usecase and some chance.

Fast curency is meme you do sound like reditfags and jehovas witnesses

>>11445334

They are just newfags with less than 2 years in game thinking they found holly grail of crypto.

In 2 years they will share fate of verge retards

>>11445297
>>11445334
>>11445386
He's back.

>>11445411
It's never ending. How can someone be so dedicated to being an NPC

>printf "$nano_fud\n"