/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>11435668
please respond
is AMD a meme or will it moon, is it a gamble or is their earnings good?

>>11435751
You only had to listen /smg/.

welp.. looks like we missed that one huh? wouldn't be suprised to see some FOMO buy and lose their shit tho

>>11435795
ment for>>11435781

>>11435758
yeah Im in a demo too now, check out grid options it looks p cool

THREADLY REMINDER THAT DIVIDENDS ARE YOUR FREN

Who else watching SHLD for the $1 tomorrow

What is bitcoins guarantee?

How long does it take to get verified on Robinhood?

>>11435747
thats alright i picked up some more at $137. last week i had an order in for $149 hoping for a "dip"
V is the future

>>11435814
BGFV has a nice divi

>>11435795
>>11435803
think it's gonna freefall tomorrow? tempting to short the hell out of it.

>>11435827
only took me a day but ive heard it varies

>>11435841
I have no clue.. I haven't really looked into it would be happy if someone could give me the run down though.

>>11435751

What broker(s) would y'all recommend for forex?

>>11435827
It was instant for me, only friends who didn't put money in or just some shit like $20-100 didn't get instant verification.

>>11435840
until it doesn't have one.

i'd rather risk it on a high div reit than retail

>>11435754
Chinese mosquitoes are pansies compared to texas mosquitoes
texas has the biggest and most aggressive mosquitoes in the worla here
they seriously nightmare

GET OUT OF THE US DOLLAR AND STOCK MARKET

>>11435814
why dont people buy before EX div date and sell the next day?

>>11435781
how do u find stocks like this?

game winning strategy:

buy equal positions in SQQQ and TQQQ
- every time SQQQ spikes move your position over to TQQQ at a rate of 2:1 with the performance of SQQQ for the day
- everytime SQQQ falls mover your position from TQQQ to SQQQ at the same ratio mentioned above

prove me wrong NPC's
(((gonna try this out next week am I a retard)))

>>11435874
because it isn't a qualified dividend. you're not provided the best tax benefit of 15% or less for most people. if its not qualified youre taxed based on your income.

>>11435781
holy shit

>>11435847
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/yulong-eco-materials-stock-rockets-more-than-7-fold-after-closing-millennium-sapphire-deal-2018-10-17

I give it a week before it returns to single digits.

>>11435883
see
>>11434727
Also check stocktwits for the weekly trending stocks.

>>11435874
because every newfag and their mom has come up with that brilliant fucking strategy and realized it doesn't work.

Congratulations... you wanna know how I know you are new?

>>11435781
Time to follow ramo2020?

>>11435883
>how do u find stocks like this?
you get lucky.

>>11435816
is it too late to jump on sheild? do i have FOMO?

thinkin i might put 20$ in and hope for 900% gain

>>11435936
I'm not sure about the long haul 900% as I've no interest in those, but if you're looking for a quick 20~30% take you should eye it hard for the next 2 days

I played spooky games for Shocktober and now I'm quietly sitting in the far corner of my bed with all lights on and doors locked. I'm so bad with spooky stuff

>>11435953
sears new designation is SLQQ we /inverse etf/ now

>>11435781

Mother of god.

>>11435936
>is it too late to jump on...

That phrase is pretty much the definition of FOMO.

how the fuck does he know?

>>11436049
he had a 14,000$ position @ approx $1.50

the chosen ones... also wtf is this?

>>11436049
>>11436072
Well I followed him.
>inb4 his next pick goes -900%

>>11435859
Don't be so negative guy. Let's make some gains.

>>11436079
post it in here too

>>11436079
>>11436090
you can see the difference in he's picks when he really hypes something you know its gonna be good

>>11435959
afraid?

>>11435781
What the fuck? So im assuming this is a shell company and this guy is someone who gave the laundering efforts away? Because theres no way in hell a company selling brick and concrete like a dozen others just jumps like that.

>>11436117
he's been shilling it for about a week and nobody would listen

>>11436098
he says to invest in all of the ones he mentions. probably just in case. i might get a chunk in all of these
>>11436072

>>11435959
kek me watch scary movies to help sleep at night
really like the monster ones where people torn apart
calms me for some reason
watching "boar" atm

>>11436117
They invented the God Brick
the ultimate brick
think super legos

>>11435908
I dunno planes, it seems like he might be onto the secret to how to win at stocks. Meanwhile TLT investors.

>>11436117
>>11436130
seriously who is this guy

>>11436197
booooom

>>11436197
big boom baby!

>>11435889
Or trade it in accordance to the stochastic indicator and stop being a retard

Everytime I hold a stock overnight... it just crashes to hell... not bag holding anymore... damn this market.

>>11436262
can you do me a favor and buy a share of TLT tomorrow and hold it?

T-thanks for the cheapies!

RIP in peace my BLNK gainz from yesterday

>>11436382
/BART'd/

>>11436262
>tfw stuck bagholding because of the limited daytrades meme

>>11436282
Uncle Powell is all you need. I'll hang onto the ROPE instead...

About to put $20k into TQQQ. Am I gonna make it?

10-Year Bond Yield is mooning.

RED DAY

>>11436455
>inb4 anounces fed rises interest rates tomorrow

If green futures mean a red day... red futures must surely mean a green day...

>>11436572
kek

>>11436572
I got my pink wojaks cocked, locked, and ready to rock in any case.

>>11436611
that's not a healthy way to live, friend

>>11436572
futures all turned horribly red right before market open yesterday... problem with the pre market data is its super volatile and anything can happen at the last minute really. its pretty much a weather report - just gives you a chance to have an idea of whats happening

>>11435781
That ship has already sailed, it's free falling tomorrow. Although I found a diamond in the rough that is said to jump significantly tomorrow, $HSGX....check it out, tell me what you think.

>>11436741
dilution, this is like drys with out any fucking actual tangible capital.

is it pretty much over for chinese stocks?

im at -10% do i sell off and cut my loses or cling to them? I fuckin hate trump so much man

>>11435816
Got a couple calls in, hoping they pay off.

>>11436874
Short term maybe, Im still holding onto JD and BABA though long term

>>11435771
If you invested earlier like in march (like I did) it would have been fucking great, but its going to cool down and not be mooning anytime soon. Good long-term though.

>>11436874
Hey guys, this guy gave his money to a totalitarian state, that claims it isn't communist, and expected returns on investments!

>>11436908
pray4china

How do you find companies to buy?

Everything online is about vetting companies you are thinking of buying. But how do you discover new stocks?

Do you just randomly hear about people shilling them and then go vet them? There are too many choices.

>>11436959
right here friend, also youtube

what do you guys think about $ABUS

good chance of rebound tomorrow?

>>11436959
https://www.finviz.com/screener.ashx
you can literally find just about anything you want right there, if you can't find what you want, get off your ass and do it your self.

>>11436874
i still hold tencent cause without wechat what is china. fuckin government hates them though

>>11436959
Markets. Nasdaq.com or .org is what I use. There is literally 10000 of stocks you can find in different categories.
>>11436965
No retard. Thats how you fall for jew scams.

>>11436989
nice link

time to get some IBM on sale?

>>11435923
>you get lucky
^ this right here
It takes some people years + thousands to learn that markets are mostly random and charts won't tell you shit

>>11437051
SPYD > IBM

How do you guys feel about SEE

>>11437169
Their ticker has a lot of E's. You can't lose.

>>11437169
why come it go down?

Is tsla a meme? You never know when it's going to drop because of a tweet

>>11437051
>IBM
Buy MSFT. It's safe bet at least until Nadella leaves. He's loves the cloud, enterprise, and basically told Windows Phone users to eat shit.

>>11437292
ibm fell more tho, gibbe me good discount on msft and we talk

>>11437298
>>11437292
if it crashe again tomorroooe i will buy both,

WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING WITH THE NIKKEI BROS MUH YENS!!!!REEEEEE

>>11437313
a mere taste of what tomorrow will bring

Jerome Powell is doing what needs to be done, whether you like it or not. He's the hero you need.

What are the chances of further crashes leading up to the midterms?

When the powerful market isolated NIKKEI is down you know shit is about to pop off.

RED DILDO TOMORROW

>>11437485
Anyones guess really, all depends on how jewish Mr Powell is feeling

>>11437488
>all in SQQQ

whats the difference between SQQQ and UVXY

>>11437508
I guess just price. They both go up if SPY shits the bed.

>>11437485

Nobody knows for sure. But:

1) This wasn't even a big crash, more like normal volatility. Investors have been spoiled by the past 10 years.
2) Most people don't own stocks so a stock market crash doesn't affect most people's livelihood as long as the economy is still hot, which it is.
3) For midterms the state of the economy hasn't been super influential. That's not to say it has no influence, but the approval rating of the president is more important. The economy is much more important for presidential elections.

AMRS, you're supposed to go up...

>>11437508
Literally read the description

Oof

>>11437882
>/SPIEGEL'd/
Hah, this is the guy who ignored the juggernaut of the Android userbase, and now Facebook's Instagram can pretty do anything Snapchat can. It's only a matter of time before SNAP's MAU withers away.

>>11437882
oh snap!

>>11437882
can only go up r..right?

Sell off today. Evidently sell the news plan was no joke. I had already shifted strategy to post-speculative hype trading so my portfolio was fairly protected against downturns on the sector. No indication of bearish reversal on Canopy of the HMMJ ETF yet. Selling started a day early and came off of a very short hype push. RSI is neutral, nowhere near overbought.

Verdict is more volatility tomorrow, perhaps some breakouts on who knows which tickers. Probably no consensus on trend changes yet. If red, it'll be pretty mild as support levels are too close to closing price today. I may day trade but otherwise no moves planned in particular at this stage of the market. Definitely going to continue to trade this sector as long as the volatility and volume remain.

RIV better hold 5.25 support tomorrow I swear to fucking god the sell pressure is annoying.

>>11437981
so not all in on SQQQ

>>11437991
>SQQQ

Nah, I rarely trade instruments like that.

>>11437999
whys that?

>>11437991
>>11437999
hes talking about weed stocks.
futures are pointing towards a gap down on open for the indices. this is probably due to rising bond yields
https://www.investing.com/rates-bonds/u.s.-10-year-bond-yield
https://www.investing.com/indices/indices-futures

just wait to see how asia closes and how europe does and the premarket.

If the chemist anon who was talking about graphene is around i was wondering what his thoughts are on its competitors. Namely molybdenum disulfide.

>>11438161
>molybdenum disulfide

Interesting. I didn't know moly had tech applications in that way. My whole history with the stuff is as an industrial lubricant.

>>11438259

So if I make gains of 18% in the stock market and my countries income/capital gains tax is 18%.
That means I've made nothing but money for my government?

>>11438336
no you pay 18% of the gains u made + nothing on the initial investment

>>11438288

>>11438336
No only your realized profit is taxed.

>>11438336
I'm pretty sure you pay 18% off that 18% gain

REMINDER: NPC's do NOT think at all, THEY only react to stimuli. Stay THE FUCK AWAY from NPCies if you want to stay GREEN

>>11435889
I did that with jnug and jdst before

it works great until it doesnt anymore, long term trend can kill your money if you cant add more and more money to your account every week

>>11438441
The bottom one has the jew nose, though.

>>11438259
Son of a bitch.

>>11438422
ever just sitting thinkin about something funny and u start laughing and then u realize NPC's spotted u?

>>11438336

>tfw vxx puts expiring friday @31.5 and the fucking vxx wont go below 32

>>11438464
the bottom one is a puppet

>follow boomer advice
>follow "smart" advice from /biz/
>follow Buffet-sama's advice
>only invest in indices
>never sell, always hold
>dollar-cost average


I'M STILL DOWN 3% YOY. YOU LIED, YOU FAGGOTS.

>>11438645
why the FUCK would you follow any advice except /biz/
indicies only work if u have good market timing

Why didn't you listen

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-endocyte-m-a-novartis/novartis-to-buy-endocyte-for-21-billion-in-cash-idUSKCN1MS0JZ

>>11438675
They actually always work because you are supposed to hold them for atleast one full cycle (8-15 years). Of course its idiotic to measure indices after a couple of days lol

How are my fellow bears doing?

Sold at the top, still haven't bought back.

>>11438961
why dont u buy inverse etf?

>>11438975
My country doesn't offer them. In fact, I only have access to 3-4 country's ETF's.
Furthermore, my country is not bearish.

>>11438961
Futures

>>11438994
what country?

if chinese index goes down does that mean my chinese stocks go down even tho they are traded on NAZDAQ

>>11435751
Any UK anons here? What broker do you use? The ones I've tried all want a phone conversation and earnings information, and im an anxious NEET. What is the easiest no fuss broker to sign up to?

>>11439011
Eastern EU, Insignificantistan.
Investment opportunities are very limited and are mostly in the form of a selection of mutual funds. The worst thing is the T+3 days execution time for most orders. I can't act hastily.

wize bears tell me, how long till black bear run is over and golden bull run restarts for another 10 years

>>11439051
are you ukraine bro from yesterday? that cant afford a car. i feel so much for you. I hope you arent too old, you aught to put your heart and soul into leaving that country if you ever want to /make it/

Bought:
20 contracts of $V 140p 10/19. (Bought these around ~142.25)

8 contracts of $BABA 144p 10/19. (Bought these around $147.26)

Total im down about $500...

Am i totally fucked on these contracts?

>>11439059
Not Ukraine, thankfully. They are a real shithole.

>>11439052
I'm waiting out until USA midterms and planning to reinvest right after it depending on the circumstances. Then sell again before the real election. USA gets insane panic attacks during every election, which netted me some nice percentages so far. I'm also not willing to hold through all the hysterics and rather look elsewhere instead.
But really, just do your homework.

>>11439096
V yes if its red day
BABA most likely yes, china looking red af

>>11439129
>>11439096
im going to keep buying V stocks all the way down till we hit the bottom, theres no way a company like VISA is going anywhere within the next 12 months

>>11439129
Like music to my ears... hopefuilly massive sell off tomorrow early morning so i can cash my sweet tendies.. or do you guys reckon it might recover after a massive dump in the morning

>>11439138
i reckon volatile af but overall slight trend downward

Green tomorrow, you heard it here first. Screencap this post

Europes green :)

My buy strategy is:
100 into VISA
100 into IBM
100 into microsoft if it comes on sale
100 into SQQQ as an insurance policy so i can say that i made gainz on here when everyone else is screamin

>>11439163
Fucking shot
Green day confirmed

We are going full gap up, no retest

>>11439182
>>11439163
>>11439175
OK FUCK THE SQQQ PUMP IT DUDE WEEDS TOMORROW PLEASE?

What are you holding right now

>>11439208

>>11439208
My nutsack.

Lol jk, all seriousness, ACTI 85c 11/9. Just thank me later.

What to buy for high risk short term(2 weeks) i want to go big or go home

>>11439317
MJ 38 strike puts

>>11435751
I am participating in an investment challenge starting next week.
The play money is 100.000€

I've never bought stocks (crypto fag atm) but I want to get into so that challenge is a nice try.
Do you have any helpful info material and recommentations for stocks picks?

>>11439317
penis enlargement pills

>>11439359
Put 100% in the most leveraged shit you can find

>>11439384
and lose everything in the first week :(?

How about shorting Intel since the relase of their new CPU is soon and they fucked everything up beyond repair?

>>11439389

>>11439176

>>11439389
You will either lose it all, or win the challenge. Shorting Intel surely won't make you win. If you don't win you are a loser.

>>11439404
ah shit
when buying, one position can't be higher than 10% of the depot value.
I have to spread out.

>>11439401
Not sure why these tech companys will hit it but thanks for the input.

>>11439418
theyre all on sale right now and are all usually strong performers.

how long does the competition run for

>>11439430
k thanks

december 14th

how boned am i today

>>11439610
dafuq is that? how can you own half shares?

>>11439642
my broker

>>11439650
no shit, which one is it? i didnt know you can do that

>>11439672
its called STAKE its an australian company so ausfags can trade US stocks without the typicall 60$ brokerage fee's charged by the big players here

>>11436874

>>11439695
damn aint that a bitch

>>11436874
maaaan, china was a ticking time bomb with a very fucking short fuse, trump blew some more air on it

PTI mooned, looks like maybe its refueling for a another mission

I don’t believe trumps winning on trade tho.
He is winning a battle but he is losing war imo.
Chinks still hold their aces and don’t want to go all in yet

I just don’t see a win for Us
Tarifs can hurt China only if America starts to produce cheaper products than tariffed Chinese shit. As of now it’s not possible from my Euro POV cuz America is dependent on chinks even when it comes to plastic and steel or weat I think so it can hardly improve prices when prices of resources increased.
At the same time China can dump us debt they hold and that’s a big deal
China at least from my POV can survive without us longer than us can survive without China.
I just don’t see anything but bluff in trumps “winning” strat

>>11439830
>>11439793
yeh definetly a no win. master economists already worked out the best way to make america win is free trade about 100 ish years ago... no idea why anyone thinks going back to protectionism will work like its the 1800's all over again. fuck trump stay out of economics, only build wall then gtfo

>>11435751
EU to Ask for Clarifications on Spain’s Budget: El Espanol

>>11439841
And hasnt China stopped buying oil from us recently? I don’t think they care cuz I if Siberia is close and so is good friend Putin solution is easy for America it’s a middle finger with round lost
From my POV

NVIV

HAIR

AQB

CDTI

ATOS

UUU

All in with Ramo!

>>11439841
The Wall is not coming, Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi are both absolute in that they won't give up anything up for it. They can filibuster it in the Senate as long as they have 41 Senators voting No.

>>11439830
> At the same time China can dump us debt they hold and that’s a big deal
Is there no way for U.S. to combat against this tactic?
> China at least from my POV can survive without us longer than us can survive without China.
Isn't Chinese economy export heavy? I suppose the battle against China would go better if USA had EU with it, but I don't think EU will care.

>>11439874
Yes indeed it is they are biggest exporter in the world. There’s a catch tho. The way I see it
For biggest exporter to swap to new branches of businesses to profit and improve is 100x easier than for biggest importer to fix missing exports. As I said the problem is China has aces here and right now if both countries are all of the sudden under iron curtain in finances trade and whatnot China can survive changes much easier than us.

I personally think that not only EU but also India Russia and others close to China countries has to go against them with Us for us to win. Cuz if it doesn’t happen China still has resource partners and most importantly people to become self sufficient. Thy need trump working in their gov and isolate them from everyone to lose this game

Started off with 1000 and now I’m down to around 400. All I do is lose money . I’m thinking of trying to recoup my losses in any way I can and leaving the market for good. Anyone else start off like this? Does it get better?

>>11439950
I went from 600 to 400 in first two days
Realized this is different game
Then put in 2500 and now I’m floating around 3050 so I almost made my money back

do you guys know which could/will be the next country to legalize weed ? Maybe we could make a 300% on the next stocks too

>>11439950
how long
?

>>11439874
>I suppose the battle against China would go better if USA had EU with it, but I don't think EU will care.
Think about it the other way, what has the EU to gain by standing with the US ? Nothing, really.

>>11439969
USA is going to legalize, but no little guy is going to moon. Big sugar and tobacco are going to continue watching whats happening in Canada to learn from any mistakes that happen there and theyre taking the reigns for the US debut in the next decade. Odds are if you go to any random tobacco farm owned by the big guys atm in the states that they already have sections getting prepped for weed cultivation.

>>11439969
maybe australia in 5ish years potentially? weed is pretty common and mostly decriminalized in small quantities already.

some anon was saying he thinks Great Britan will jump on the bandwagon soon

>>11439969
It's on the ballot to legalize in my state. I'm sure it's on many other ballots too.

>>11439793
Yep surly letting China continually fuck us in the ass is the right way to handle trade

>>11440059
>American companies invest zero (0) dollars in their industry for 3 decades straight
>"it's China's fault"
Are you serious ?

so no more hype with GALT :((

wats hapoening to cmsca

We're gonna be green today right lads?

>>11440119
>nope

>>11439975
About a month and a half

>>11440081
I made something around 16-29% so eh. Can fall now

Any expats here? I am from the UK but live in Korea, but UK companies don't let me invest through them, and i don't trust gooks with my money, how the fuck do I invest?

>>11437063
the worst is that every time one of their 100 picks does well, they act like they're some crystal ball.

Like fuck you I'm not rich enough to buy both winners and losers to somehow still come out with a measly 20% gain. I can only afford moonshots

>>11438422
Bottom right is just perfect.

>>11440259
Some of those guys do have legit sources though. If you backtrack through the stocks theyre picking you see shit like SEC filings and insider trader moves from weeks prior that weren't massively publicized.

>>11440244
Non eu in eu here. Registration on stuff like tastyworks was no problem to me

>>11440281
how do they get away with it

>>11440319
I see some people on twits talk about how all they do is scan Edgar all day. I don't know anything about finding insider moves though. Every stock /biz/ suggests, when you go through twits and yahoo conversations, there's always questions on why the insiders aren't buying the stock

>>11440319
Because you dont have the balls to stop them. The world is waiting for a hero and you continue to never step up.

S&P Futures. Needs to get out of this box. Which way? We'll find out mid-day maybe.

>>11440319
Good morning SEC.

bloodbath today??

Weed is mooning
Check these dubs

>>11440059
What Trump is doing is not unfucking anything. Protectionism works only in the even that you have something that you're protecting. The way you do it is you give a a buisness owner cheap credit, exempt him from taxes long term and once he starts manufacturing what you want you tarriff the foreign competition.

Flumpf blanket tarrifed fucking everything from clothes aluminium to TV's this is actually not protectionism but some unprecedented retard level shit all this will do is fuck the consumer in the ass.

>>11440371
I just want everybody to buy equities and sell all their bonds.

>>11440392
>Flumpf blanket tarrifed fucking everything from clothes aluminium to TV's this is actually not protectionism but some unprecedented retard level shit all this will do is fuck the consumer in the ass

What detector can I use to see if its fucking consumer in the ass?

>>11440392
the problem is that you have this shit called minimum wage, so we have to compete with manufactures that utilize slave labor. It can't be done. Also fuck the customer, they're only there to give me money.

>>11440392
Trump has unironically created the reason for the FED to hike rates (inflation). Very good job.
The actual good way to protectionism is to create a VAT and cut other taxes on businesses.

>>11440416
>What detector can I use to see if its fucking consumer in the ass?
Inflation
>>11440419
See >>11440420. VAT is actually an excellent tax to reduce the imbalance between slave labor countries and advanced economies, but it's very unpopular.

>>11440420
fuck VAT I fucking hate VAT like I hate the income tax, jesus fucking cock dancing anticrhsti FUCK VAT

>>11440392
The USA was doing objectively better when they made their own goods. overpopulated shit holes like china india mexico are catching up now as burgers consume all the cheap products they can shit out. Protectionism is acceptable when you are protecting your peoples jobs, even if your products cost you more, its better that an unemployed country shoveling shit with $3 chinese shovels

>>11440419
minimum wage is set to a level that allows for the "natural" unemployment rate to sit around 5%

this is actually the most efficient situation you dont want over employment or you get hyperinflation. llook up monetarism natural unemployment rate

>>11440416
consumers get fucked in the ass everday, like seriously 5 dollors for a fucking cup of coffee from a homeless shelter, fucking stick it.

>>11440392

>>11440428
I pay 24% VAT and I want to fucking die everytime I buy something and deduce that shit in my head.

>>11440392
Go away China

>>11440432
Except VAT is the only tax that fucks both cheap foreign goods and niggers. That's why leftists hate VAT.

>>11440433
it honestly doesn't fucking matter to the Chinese if they sell their shit to US corporations at 1$ or 1.25$ which is what they will be doing now you need to actually develop the industry you will be protecting first like try manufacturing shitphones in the US and THEN tarrif them

>>11440441
Australia is the best at this, prices are fucked. Then fucking servers at cafes complain about getting their penalty rates cut. Who the fuck deserves $40/hour on a sunday to carry coffee to a table

>>11440420
wtf is the difference between a vat and a tarrif, it's the same god damn thing, you know it and I know it.

>>11440461
lel i get 60 dollers on a sunday to stack boxes on a pallet got bless australia god save the queen

>>11440444
If you didn't have VAT, you would have a much toxic table on the table, like Income tax or increased social security payments.

>>11440467
Diplomatically, VAT is merely a dometic policy. A tariff is something else altogether, and as we saw the last few months, it brings a lot of retaliation.

>>11440457
This. There's no way you can make US companies competitive with "merely" 25% tariffs. It's all boasting.

>>11440476
a tarrif is a domestic policy to, the difference is the UK doesn't even fucking make a god damn thing, so nobody cares if they have tarrifs on countries out side of their european circle jerk.

>>11440461
Concidentally, Australia beats America in every life quality and public services metric.

>>11440491
Nope, since the WTO exists tariffs aren't a purely domestic policy anymore.
When VAT is raised in any country, you don't see China or the US or anyone else puffing up their chest and announcing a "counter-VAT", do you ?

>>11440457
Tax cuts and cheap loans won’t make the prices of our goods competitive. The only way is to raise the price of imports to the point it’s cheaper to make it here. The companies will come back.

>>11440489
correct you actually make them less competitive, as they have reduced exposure to competition from china, americans will be forced to choose american companys to buy their products from and when the tarriffs finally go down, american companys will be fucked because they are used to being protected and essentially have become half monopolies and noncompetitive.

tarriffs are short term pain long term gain, thats capitalism 101 the first guy to figure it out was in like 1780 or some shit. same guy who came up with "the invisible hand"

>>11440491
exactly if you make fucking nothing then tarrifs on imported goods only serve to fuck your consumer's budget by 25% not just the consumer all the companies now have 25% extra to pay for all sorts of shit

>>11440516
short term gain long term pain *****

>>11440512
What companies have come back?

Besides if what you say is true, then is Trump not lying when he says that tariffs could be gone with just a trade deal?

The Chinese stuff would still be cheaper and more competitive even after trade deal, right? Unless that deal includes some sort of pseudo-tariff?

>>11440516
>tarriffs are short term pain long term gain, thats capitalism 101 the first guy to figure it out was in like 1780 or some shit. same guy who came up with "the invisible hand"
Adam Smith (that guy) was against tariffs saying they were short term pain long term pain, actually. Wealth of Nations is a very good book btw, it got a very good chapter on taxes.

>>11440516
Secretary Ross detailed how like 90-99% of Aluminum came from China, is that not kind of a national security risk and worth protecting though?

I suppose not if you don't put the nation/military high in value scale.

>>11440512
making imported shit 25% more expensive for the people of wallmart won't suddenly trigger their dormant business acumen and lead them to start up manufacturing businesses you need actual targeted government policy in the sector you want to develop, you want NIKE to make shit in the US you get NIKE eexecutives tell them you will exempt them from taxes and give them a 50 year loan for 100 billion at less than 1% interest

>>11440543
>>11440527
yeh typo my bad

>>11440543
Thank God for someone whose not retarded on the business board

Still same thread but reminding you all that dividends are your fren

Also, don’t chase yield, the real $ is in the dividend growth. Not only do you get paid consistently, you get a pay raise every year or more.

>>11440543
Wealth of Nations was Marx's favorite one. Smith's arguments for free trade and against mercantalisim.. I don't know if they hold up that good when China is the second leading economy in the world and they are not Smithian.

>>11440546
in 50 years, they'll just close all the factories and find the cheapest labor.

>>11440557
thing is modern economics was built off the back of that early stuffs

so yes marx used wealth of nations but so did early capitalists. and in turn keyensianists and in turn monetarists and whence the current economic system, its all built off the back of the early early stuff and most of that stuffs still holds true true basically fuck tarriffs they will destroy USA

>>11440562
yes but once you actually develop what you want to be manufacturing then you can tarriff the fuck out of the foreign competiton making the price of imports restrictive and forcing the consumer to buy your domestically produced NIKE shit the point is you actually have to have domestically produced NIKE shit first.

stop selling your spy for bonds, wtf are you idiots doing, theres still more growth to be found.

>>11440557
>I don't know if they hold up that good when China is the second leading economy in the world and they are not Smithian.
Interestingly enough, back when Smith was working on Wealth of Nations, the Netherlands and Portugal were in a similar position to China compared to the UK. To him, it actually doesn't matter if there's a trade imbalance.

In his time, the country that was anal about trade balance was Spain, which ironically was also the monetary richest country in europe (due to all that gold from colonies), yet didn't manage to make anything out of it.

>>11440555
And don't forget those taxes on fixed income!

>>11440582
I wish Milton Friedman was still alive, maybe he could convince trump out of this mess

>>11440545
Anyone?

>>11440610
there are probably alternative sources of cheap aluminium avaliable like australia

>autisticly enough im pretty sure australia exports bulk aluminium to china?

>>11440536
>What companies have come back?
Absolute garbage Democrat talking point. You’re a fucking child. You honestly think companies will move their entire operation after a few months of tariffs. Fuck off kid.
And yes a trade deal would solve the trade war but would mean we still import mostly chink shit. But maybe that’s not the fucking point of the trade war in the first place.
It’s always the same, you reeeeeeee about how a sitting president hasn’t done anything because you don’t immediately see results when in reality the results take years or decades to show themselves. Just like China having us by the balls is the result of policies enacted decades ago. Stop fucking looking at your feet when you walk through life.
>>11440546
The next step after the trade war would be to bust up the global corporations like Walmart and amazon who exploit cheap labor. You honestly believe this whole trade war is only about the price of goods? No.

Are the commies raiding /smg/ today?

>>11440626
What companies are in the process of coming back?

>>11440610
There's a difference between Beer companies buying aluminium cheaply on the global markets to make beer cans and defence contractors tho. Defence contractors are already subsidized to their necks I'm sure you can set up a system where they have to buy domestic patriotic aluminium while beer companies can buy whatever they can cheaply

>>11440632
What the tick are you doing on /biz/ if you know nothing of business and what it takes to run one or move one? You honestly think that shit happens overnight? Do you? If so your either a tard commie or a fucking child.

>>11440643
Why don't we just outlaw alcohol, and use the cans from all the confiscated beer to build our planes?

We’ve all read wealth of nations, you want to talk political economics, pol is always there. I get the cross over but discussing Adam smith and Milton Friedman, regardless of how absolutely BASED they were, is fake and gay for today.

>>11440657
shutup you retard you sound 14

>>11440626
>the trade war would be to bust up the global corporations like Walmart and amazon who exploit cheap labor

I am not a commie and that is fucking retarded. Amazon is a problem because fucking Amazon doesn't pay taxes same with Google and Faceberg they need to be forced into paying taxes in the US like every other corporation. But I don't fucking give a shit if Wallmart sells cheap shit from asian slave factories provides cheap shit to consumers and pays taxes

>>11440657
Look, I only asked what companies have come back and what are coming back, no need to get all hostile and violent..
>>11440663
They tried outlawing it in South but it was a spectacular failure.

>>11440665
i dont like pol because the conversation always turns retarded and about jews

>>11440626
insults and labels - solid argument you fucking retard

let the big boys help out - companies coming back was a 'sales pitch' but the real strategy was undertaken to fight unfair trade practices. Debate how they're going about it all you want, but that's the core reason.

>>11440626
>defend tariffs
>blames commies
Is that bizarro /biz/ ?

>>11440632
I know that my company (eurofag) has been severing all their imports from the US for fear of new tariffs/countertariffs. I've been tasked to find alternatives for chemicals worth 8 millions a year and it's not pretty since it was a factory in a small city in the US, and they are closing now. This whole shit really scares the industry.

Short $PM today

>>11440663
different grade of aluminum

>>11440688
yeh man modern neofaggots keep getting conservative protectionism and freedom loving capitalism confused

right wing does not necessarily =/= capitalist

i have no idea when this meme started but its been spreading like wildfire since shortly before trump got elected

XOM $100 when?

>>11440666
You’re mom
>>11440667
>not paying taxes is the only problem
Why?
>>11440668
How the hell should I know? I don’t sit on the board of a foreign company. Neither do I have insider knowledge of what’s discussed on board meetings. Could be none of them, could be all of them. Who knows. However my point remains the same that you can’t expect it all to happen in a few months. That’s brainlet thinking.
>>11440684
You’re mom too but yes trade practices was one of the things they’re going after.
>>11440688
Also you’re mom

>>11440713
holy shit hes actually 15 you guys

is SPY going to go down today :(

>>11440719
Markets going down today, at least to start. Asian markets are a pretty good indicator of what the US markets will do, but that sometimes only lasts during the first hour after open.

Will Aurora listing on the nasdaq decrease or increase its current stock today?

>>11440726
so are european markets tho and they were flat

>>11440543
One objection to Adam Smith is that he implicitly based his philosophy in the Christian world. Maybe even more specifically, the Anglosphere

That is because he took for granted the sanctity of contracts and the fact other people won't use unfair practice (eg slavery or child labor, government subsidies etc).

Free market works when every actors accept the same rules and have equivalent customs.

>>11440746
>and the fact other people won't use unfair practice (eg slavery or child labor, government subsidies etc).
England at that time used slave AND child labour, and was subsiding its merchant navy up the ass. That's what he was denouncing.

plan 4 2 day
bearish!

Found out a few days ago someone I know is a higher up at Tilray. If he runs this company like his marriage, I would not trust any long time plays you may have. You have been warned

>>11440767
thanks!

Who here getting JUSTed right now?

>>11440807
get ready big justing in 5 minutes :)

>>11440766
My point is other countries are using them as well, which make the competition fair
Now, you have the chinks in this free trade fest, the chinks paid next to nothing, in a country with no social security, not a fuck given to safety, environment etc etc

How can developped countries compete ?

>>11440828
>How can developped countries compete ?
Automation, quality goods, etc.
Germany and Japan manage to do it, the US can't because they didn't invest shit and let their manufacturing plants rot.

Green Day incoming check em

I want to see this market bleed so I can break even and sell these puts

its FLAT

hahahaha that faggot that sold me the TLT puts really wants them back now, but these things are fucking golden and I'm not giving them away for nothing!

>>11440878
we'll see about that

>FLUOR

cmmoooooon lucky 12

how the heckies do you get a trailing stop limit to work on a short ;_;

>>11440889
is it my LUCKY DAY!?

>>11440880
How much did you buy them for and how much are they worth now?

>down $700 at 5 minutes past market open
REEEEE

>>11440903
I paid one dollar, and they're worth about 50 cents.

>>11440899
TIME TO MOON FLUOR

>>11440908
kek

Make a new thread

will dudeweeds ever go up ever again?

I havent bought any stocks yet, because i'm a pussy

I want to buy F while it's low, because im pretty confident that they will bounce back and i hear that dividends are my friend, so it sounds like a safe play in the long run

Is this a good investment for a first timer, im open to any advice and other low cost long stock to look into

Where?! Where did you hide all the volume!?

>>11440953
Why are you confident that it will bounce back?

>>11440932
They're going up right now faggot.

Edumacated guess: yes

>>11440962
Because America.

>>11440968
>>11440932

>>11440962

They are going through a major re organization right now, maybe i'm naive but i dont see the legendary Ford motor company going bankrupt without a fight

>>11440911
Heavy JUST

wheres the volume

>SPOT IS THE NEW NFLX
down on my spot position since buying ipo day.

>>11441000
nah nigga, you see this shit is going to the moon, TLT will be worth like 50 bucks end of the day.

Feeling like a xanax kinda day

>>11441013
>>SPOT IS THE NEW NFLX
Who ever said that? It's literally an app for old men to send their cock picks to teenagers I dunno why people thought it was so special.

New
>>11441021
>>11441021
>>11441021
>>11441021

>>11441000
Like 1 billion worth of TLT has already sold off since yesterday. You've also got Crazy Uncle Powell who's said he's going to be dumping over 2 billion worth of bonds from his sheet before these puts expire. I'm fucking set.

Weed to the moon! (Again)

>>11441026
> Spot
shit I thought you meant SNAP it's all the same overhyped shit anyway desu