/biz/ - Business & Finance

NO MAN NO

>>11379346
What are /smg/s favorite #fintwit accounts?

@realDonaldTrump
@vexmark
@Lee_Saks
here desu

STOP BUYING BONDS FUCKING BOOMERS

hehe... here we go again

>>11379346
Fuck this market, fuck trump, fuck the fed and fuck shorters

>From +$500 to +$100
STOP SELLING RIGHT NOW

YOU'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO BE ALIVE IN 30 YEARS YOU FUCKING OLD ASS BOOMER

Double bottom
ye best be buying

$TICK is -1200, wow.

>>11379368
Imagine being a fucking 70 yeard old boomer and buying fucking 30 year old bonds, fucking retards

>t-thanks for the c-cheapies! haha, weak hands!"

THREADLY REMINDER THAT DIVIDENDS ARE YOUR FREN

if you're a LONG like me, you're not concerned with the day to day actions of the market. Got DOC and O paying me divvies this week, GE next week, and JPM to round out the month.

>>11379346
Get fucked boomers.

>>11379378
Have to leave something for their grandkids anon.

>>11379354
>>11379367
>>11379380
>larding as someone losing money
How much time do you have on your hands you neet?

>>11379395
>Larding
Kek, but probably accurate

>>11379395
>"""larping"""
I wish I was larping.

ohnonono look at this dude

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>11379371
they am gonna test 267
why push it so far down then stop here

>>11379395
i'm down $50k this week, whatevs

>>11379421
why would they? To fool small specs into panic selling after all the red
Nothing but green from here on out

>>11379425
What does your -50k portfolio have

fakest and gayest fucking market ive ever seen
big boys are colluding to build rallies while chumps buy up the top

>>11379436
mostly index funds, some convertible bonds, gold, boring stuff.

>>11379391
>leaving your grandkids a 3% yield bond
T-thanks

>>11379425
The wild ride will go back up again. We’re all gonna make it. Except bears, they can all die in a forest fire

>he doesnt know you can sell bonds

>>11379451
> posting edits

>>11379454
That's what uncle powell is going to be doing over the next few weeks.

>>11379451
yeah i'm not worried, got cash ready to deploy.

just fucking crash it already so npcs believing themselves to be pcs finally wake up to trump being the ultimate npc and burn down america to the ground

The big specs are singing a siren's song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJmZtn8vmt8

>>11379457
>wanting you to see my actual name, whom my accounts are with and the last 4 digits of my accounts

anon pls

>>11379465
That's not very economical.

Need S&P to go below 2720 for a short... should have just shorted this morning...

GODDAMN IT RATSU I BOUGHT THE DIP AND IT KEEPS GOING LOWER!!!!

>>11379476
just pulling your leg.
what do you for a living to invest such a large amount?

>>11379459
Same. I got another $65K out of the market. I'm waiting for that huge mega get-fucked-in-the-ass crash before I put some of that in.

>>11379483
i'm an attorney. i only make about $120K per year, I just invest most of it. I also got about 50K in KO stock from my grandfather when he died, so thats a large chunk of it.

>>11379479
What goes down, must come up. That is law

>>11379493
i remember when biz was young there was some tripfag with millions here and he was atty too iirc.

are you a small practice or do you work for big corporations?

how many gins did you have this week ratsu?

>>11379507
a lot, Im up 5% today though, I just need FNGU to go to fucking 52

>>11379503
medium sized practice, corporate shit is not for me. need a decent work life balance or you get burned out real quick. like my job but i'm definitely saving for early retirement.

oooooffff that green

It's over! We're going to make it.

is he right biz?

>>11379549
>banksters
anyone who uses that term is an NPC

>>11379549
you'd be wise to not trust anyone who capitalizes "FED"

>>11379549
>1%
That’s how you spot commies anon. They like to larp as economists and spread FUD.

If I don't win Eternal Bear's contest before the election I'm voting strait Libertarian.

>steve madden
was that a wolf on walllstreet reference?

>>11379573
>If I blow up this account before the election I'm voting strait Libertarian.
correction

Someone was shilling MNGA in a previous thread. Thoughts on it? Good bet?

>>11379554
>>11379557
>>11379565
Isn't he right though? If the bull market doesn't translate to jobs for the middle class and a better standard of living whats the point?

>>11379588
no he is just a retarded commie that doesnt understand THE GAME

have you guys ever invested in venture capital

>>11379387
amazing picture, so meta, much jeckel, very hyde

>>11379595
You son of a bitch! That's the first time I lost in fucking years!

>>11379588
Does the market create jobs though?

>>11379603
Only old fags even understand what just happened.

>>11379588
it does translate to jobs to the middle class though. it's called the wealth effect. it instill confidence in everyone.

>>11379521
>litigation

lol queer, not enjoying comfy $300k+ in-house counsel job? bet your undergrad was liberal arts moron

>>11379588
heres what commie idiots don't understand. it doesn't matter who gets an overall larger percentage of the pie, it matters that the daily life of the average person gets better. muh 1% is always going to make more during bull runs (they also lose more during bears - unrealized usually) but the average worker is better off today than 5 years ago. This is why this "bear" talk is bullshit. we are getting higher paying jobs that are out pacing inflation, the GDP is growing and maybe, just maybe some youths will decide on trade school instead of womyns studies and come out making six figures in 1-3 years instead of 30K to read poetry to old people

>>11379363
I feel like a shit show is starting but since I am new to /biz/ I have no fucking clue what your talking about pls enlighten me on the situation my dude.

AGRX again, not even a pump I'm too poor for that but may or may not have insider information

take with that as you will, i was right two weeks ago when I told you all to buy @ $0.30

>>11379549
Am I reading Ulysses? This inarticulate garbage is like a literal depiction of how NPCs think.

>>11379619
I’m ignoring it. It’s not a loss if you don’t admit it.

>>11379629
automation is kicking economy's ass is 10 years tops. wall street jobs gone for sure, replaced by algorithms capable of thinking and predicting fluctuations more efficiently than all of /biz/ put together. retail definitely gone, but that's happening in 5 years or so. transport jobs will be heavily simplified, done by teenagers barely able to drive since AI will do the actual driving. it's going to come crashing down due to a total and utter inability to understand technology.

made some good money on ATVI calls I bought yestderday.

>>11379639
Basically a bunch of smug bears shorted the bottom in February, then again in april, and now they are back shorting the bottom again

>>11379619
the best were the images that said "look bottom corner -> top right -> which way is the stick figure pointing? -> read the image name" then you lose.

>>11379666
The bounce just now was weak as fuck. Algo reaction, its not people shorting who drop the markets its the big funds holding for 5+ years who want to take profits before they have a negative return this year.

>>11379666
I'm shorting the top of TLT with my bear fag meme bucks. Also loaded the last of my shekels in a SPY long that's already up a 10%. I'm going to make it.

>>11379603
>AMZN puts in july

you can not lie to me, i was the one betting against you all day that day

>>11379666
Shorting the bottom?

>>11379680
That's fine I'll have the last laugh.

BUY EARS!

>>11379595
>>11379603
>>11379619
a POX on you all dammit

>>11379385
A approve of your message.

>>11379675
>this bear cope

Large specs dont trade on fridays, so of course the major bounce isnt going to be today

>>11379680
>not understanding he was talking about THE GAME

welcome new friend, your orange soda, cheese pizza and complimentary 12 year old are waiting

welp its late lunch time for me, whats the best buy for a buy one get one free burger coupon?

two double quarter pounders for the protein, a big mac for vegis, a bacon angus smokehouse because its their new special?

>tfw VTGN

this is a nice, steady run up, instead of a parabolic pump and then dump
really optimistic about this stock

>FDA fast tracked twice since December 2017
The latest fast track (the reason why it's going up) was as an a non-opioid pain treatment drug

Down 10%, my all time low. Thanks ROAD

>>11379675
that was definitely a dead cat bounce of people trying to time the bottom

https://squeezemetrics.com/monitor/dix

For those of you interested in how markets actually work. Check this out. Don't pay for it, but its interesting to see.

Short summary: HFT pools (dark pools) are hidden liquidiy volume in the markets and account for over 1/3 of all trades. However their volume isnt visible to the regular goys (us).

If they are buying then they are doing so to cover for large funds who are going shot (to provide liquidity). If they are selling, the opposite. It is a leading indicator of large corrections. I suggest you check it out. The tea leaves seem to indicate a large correction with possibly more to go.

>>11379723
>meant to say going short or selling

They also have that gamma indicator which could indicate ideal times to sell options to dum dums (us).

>>11379693
>>11379669
kek

Holy shit, Ford is down to almost $8.50, never thought I'd see the day. I imagine there is a lot of newfags getting just'd over it.

>>11379711
see
>>11379693
(image saved from 2007)

the crash is here lads

>>11379732
newbois keep saying "Im buying it for the dividend!" but even Buffet is saying stay out of auto + there are hundreds of better dividend stocks on sale

RSI is in the buy zone.

Tuesday will hit the real low.

>>11379743
Dividends are a literal meme anyway. Especially with the account balances most of the people here have.

>>11379743
Such as? What is a stock as cheap as Ford but gives good divs?

>>11379732
Auto industry is self fulfilling. Auto workers and family members buy the most cars. Cutting the lineup and downsizing is killing your buyer base. New CEO is dumb as bricks.

>>11379732
Ford WILL go bankrupt within the next 3 years

>>11379737
Me holding the camera

>>11379659
>retail definitely gone, but that's happening in 5 years or so
There was recent, month old, Davos estimate that in 7 years.

>>11379743
>Buffet is saying stay out of auto
What are you talking about? He is in GM.

Let the dumping commence

Is Tim Sykes a scam?

>>11379783
Yea he has major GM bags.

>>11379588
it does but it's lagged. it's saving 401k s, which would completely seriously be getting btfo and boomers would be suiciding left and right. might still go down like that if market goes nuts without boomer protections. Can't crash the market without protecting retirement funds somehow. also remember entire states invest in things. illinois, california -- both of which are borderline bankrupt as it is. market saves them and saves everyone in their state, provided the governments and 401k managers aren't skimming off the top or overall making shitty trade deals. (california consistently spends 401k monies and invests retirements funds and then loses it -- happened once just just recently with california and it was a massive scandal plus lawsuit), and illinois skims off the top and the state is now bankrupt essentially as a result.

>>11379750
SPY is in buy zone, almost a day away from best buy in a year

>>11379754
they are good for avoiding taxes on gains, but they are also a long term game, not a short's friend

>>11379767
10+ years after GM and FCAU already did?
kek, they will not be the first to go

auto stocks follow a 7-8 year trend wave, we were at the peak late 2016, early 2017
the stock will be back, but it will take a while

>>11379771
me in the bear suit

>>11379761
what do you mean by cheap? if you are dividend investing share price shouldnt matter
SO
GIS
BGS
FLO
NWL

all on deep discount

>>11379617
god this question. are you lost, anon?

>>11379804
WM, SMG, LMT, BA, F are all better div stocks than those

Someone is buying over 1 mil of OGEN at 1.40. Been filling for two hours.

>>11379783
he has stated against autos in most of his recent interviews
Of course he isnt going to sell, he rarely does
But what he is buying this year? Banks and Teva

>>11379802
>they are good for avoiding taxes on gains, but they are also a long term game, not a short's friend
You better have some serious capital as well otherwise they are completely worthless. Investing $5000 in a dividend paying stock waiting 30 years, and then having $5050 dollars isn't worth it. Most dividends barely keep up with inflation.

>>11379819
buy 2 million at $1.41 to fuck with him.

>>11379629
commie fags do realize this, is the sad reality, and they capitalize on it by bankrupting everyone's future (and the future of new generations) to appease whatever demographic is needed to force bullshit commie legislation in Current Year. see for instance bernie sanders, who epitomizes this mentality right now. see also rome under commies. it's a dangerous mentality to depend on the state, but the commies know people love their gibs.

>>11379811
F doesnt increase dividends and sometimes skips out
SMG had a bubble pop but is still good
WM and the defense is no better than what I listed but has less of a starting yield...

-11k vix puts.... why markey why

>>11379833
Peter Thiel seasteading charter city when

Up 1.1% today, we gonna make it through this week boys

>>11379659
Of all the words on paper struck by pen
The hardest one is
>/biz/ was right again

>>11379666
>blaming shorters
okay newfag. shorters don't crash economies. shorters protect it by providing an extremely limited reality check to retarded perma-bulls. blaming shorters is unironically a commie tactic and it's why the market can be so irrational, is because it's extremely difficult for shorters to survive even if they're correct they are punished for even attempting to get information into the market that violates the trendline. read Reminiscences of a Stock Operator you'll understand this more and get a better idea about how some of the fucked up "its teh shorters" laws came about for wrong reasons and have stayed with us for the same fucked reasons until today.

>>11379875
Elon Musk tweeted that shorting should be illegal and that it is ethically evil lmao.

>>11379875
when the fuck did I say retail shorters brought the market down?
Im making fun of them

>>11379880
I like Elong Musk but boy, Tesla's debt is something else.

>>11379828
DRIPs mr oakz, look up DRIPs

>>11379830
I just placed an order for 8 @ $1.40 to fuck with him, lets see if they buy

>>11379839
>>F doesnt increase dividends and sometimes skips out
also sometimes gives suprize dividends

>SMG had a bubble pop but is still good
it poped about a year ago, and it is a nice way to bet on pot without owning a pot stock, since it has other customers too
>WM and the defense is no better than what I listed but has less of a starting yield...
WM is recession proof, and defensive stocks help fund the future with their tech discoveries

and theres not a single politician that doesnt want to keep on pumping money into defensive stocks, because that means they lose re-election because angry voters

>>11379867
never listen to /biz/ advice, you will get burned

>>11379858
You're early... Should happen for you Monday

>>11379896
ZH seems to think Tesla is going any day now. Well they've thought that like for, 18 months.

>>11379890
then clarify your point, please, I don't understand what you meant.

dont get an itchy trigger finger, we have not yet begun to drop

>>11379951
What website/program is that?

>>11379945
I wasnt explaining why the market went down, Im just stating a shit ton of beartards here shorted the bottom in february and april, and are doing the same now

So how the fuck do you make money in a sideways day?

>>11379880
>>11379896
Tesla is a good example of exactly this issue. of course tesla dude is anti-shorters, his company is possibly the most shorted company in the market right now because of any number of reasons. But I will bet good money that the number of anons that actually ARE shorting it, here, is extremely extremely low -- it's SUPER expensive to short Tesla. I'm actually on the fence about tesla -- but it's a good thing, because almost all normal people are priced out of the market on capturing the downside on tesla because the cost is insane. same with google.

>>11379966
You don't.

>>11379966
>buy put day before
>buy call day before

sell one when the day peaks, sell the other when the day bottoms out

>>11379964
https://www.tradingview.com
gotta make your own programs to chart stuff though, or hand out here after hours

>>11379966
pump and dumps

>>11379982
Thanks for the link!
I've used Yahoo's myself.

>>11379966
If you don't have a call you should wait. This is a money making position to take. it's the one i'm doing right now (and it's why i'm posting on here today). stay on sidelines until you think you have a strong prediction and then enter. I'm also mostly focused on short side gains. I sold positions during the downside move, but i think we go down more from here. Not entering yet though for sure. for now, i wait.

>>11379987
this was posted free here before...

study(title="autofib", shorttitle="fib", overlay=true)
lengtht = input(title='top period adjust', defval=233, step=13)
lengthb = input(title='bottom period adjust', defval=233, step=13)
top = highest(high, lengtht)
bot = lowest(low, lengthb)
mid = top - bot
tra = input(defval=55, step=5, title='line transparency')
sft = input(defval=1, title='offset', type=integer)

ON=plot( top[sft] , color=purple, title="1", transp=tra)
SS=plot( top - 0.236 * mid[sft], title="0.764", color=blue, transp=tra)
SO=plot( top - 0.382 * mid[sft], title="0.618", color=green, transp=tra)
FI=plot( top - 0.50 * mid[sft], title="0.5", color=gray, transp=tra)
TE=plot( bot + 0.382 * mid[sft], title="0.382", color=yellow, transp=tra)
TT=plot( bot + 0.236 * mid[sft], title="0.236", color=orange, transp=tra)
ZZ=plot( bot[sft] , title="0", color=red, transp=tra)

fill(ON,SS, color=purple)
fill(SS,SO, color=blue)
fill(SO,FI, color=green)
fill(FI,TE, color=yellow)
fill(TE,TT, color=orange)
fill(TT,ZZ, color=red)

>>11379998
how many bitcoin for this waifu?

>>11379989
Shit. I put a call in this morning for QQQ, thought we were for sure going north. Still kind of feels like we are, everyone seems to be taking that original sell off well and earnings are coming up. Financials looked great today too.

Any of you got Bloomberg Terminal?

dont forget to buy Citibank and BAC

These numbers were inflated to begin with. Hopefully this is the big drop. I'm not buying unless it bottoms out.

>>11379966
>>11379989
possibly related though -- there was an anon on here yesterday who said: you know what i'm going to get a call on SNAP i think it's oversold. he bought a super short timeline call when it was selling at like $6.60 with a short time horizon predicting a move toward $7.50 or so. he was yelled at like crazy on here. I thought that was probably a smart move, and yesterday i bought some shares in snap because i also though somewhat oversold.
Today, that anon was right and could have made bank in a single day by getting out of that position right away. I'm also up, but not selling because I bought shares and not calls and I don't like to do quick moves like that. but that's a stock i'm watching sort of closely, it's moving a lot right now.

>>11380011
C has more room to fall, PNC tho

>>11379998
Thanks... will study this...

>>11380031
>regional bank compared to megabank
Ill just buy DPST in that case

>>11380009
I hate the fake outs... the market has been doing this to me all week

H... Holding

>>11380009
That's an expensive (and riskier than usual) bet right now because everyone also is thinking like you. Buying that immediately after a big move is somewhat risky imo because institutional and bigger retail investors will get there first, but waiting slightly and then doing it (for instance the same play like tomorrow, or the next day) if we're around the same place might be ok. today's friday, also -- a lot could happen over the weekend. That's why i'm out for right now, don't want to hold anything from now until monday until i know more about what's going on and have a better chance to reflect a bit on what all happened (and can read more about the market thinks about what happened).

>>11380008
how much you got?

>>11380033
just go to write a new script on trading view then paste it in

>>11380042
I've got this bitch till next Friday. My iron hands are ready.

>>11380040
no no its a "large" regional bank

YOU FUCKING BOOMERS AND NPCS STOP BUYING BONDS!!!!! UNCLE POWELL IS GOING TO DUMP ON YOUR FUCKING CHESTS MARK MY FUCKING WORDS.

>>11379828
wat

>>11380065
what are some good bonds to buy rn?

>>11379896
There is a high chance they gonna roll it over

>>11380055
Yeah, I know I might have jumped the gun on this one. I'll also be checking the news and what not, I feel like earnings will probably help us though. If i get spooked I'll bounce out of it monday morning. What you laid out in your post is probably a well seasoned notion and does make me a little nervous.

>>11380075
Wait till November when you can get the ones with yields in the 4s.

>>11380068
to be fair, beating an index isnt hard to do, pic related

(yellow is SP500 index returns over the same time)

>>11380090
I see, such as?

>>11380065
the Golden Bull Run works for bonds too senpai

>TFW market wont just crash already
These put options arent getting any younger

>>11380061
well regaurdless I just bought the regional bank etfs cause that dip looks DANK

>>11380065
>rush out of bonds once distant uncle powpow makes a bambam
>platinum equities bull run

>>11380098
I'm just short TLT.

>>11380099
Quantitative Tightening will fucking destroy your bonds.

FUCK YOU BEARS FUCK YOU AND DIE FUCK YOU AND DIE DIE DIE EAT NIGGER AIDS AND DIE GET STOPPED GET STOPPED GET STOPPED YOU FUCKING NIGGER FAGGOTS MARGIN MARGIN EXPIRE EXPIRE DIE DIE WITH YOUR SHITTY PUTS AND SHORTS STUPID ASS FAGGOTS DIE

>>11380115
ticker?

>>11380127
KRE and DPST

>>11379902
Buy more vix puts end of day,

>>11380092
SP500 is not 4% annually lmao

its more like 10%+

>>11380092
Why does S&P 500 only have 4% annual return on that graph?

>>11380126
>Being this mad over numbers on a screen

Go jerk off anon, your gonna have an aneurysm getting worked up like this.

>>11380126
Paníque iz is taking hold
Load ze bond fud und paint unother red candle

>>11379385
I've been considering GE for a while now. It gets about the same amount of doom and gloom as F. Was thinking about 25-50 shares.
Also, how many REIT do you hold? I have some STAG but have wondered if a second or third would be a good or bad idea.

Getting real tired if the dividend meme. There is no support to suggest high dividend companies will outperform.

While dividend memers have been losing their money in REITs, MLPs and commercial real estate, smart people have made money in the FANG stocks.

Stop thinking about stocks as fixed income.

can I buy stocks in US military, I believe in that shit

>>11379549
How did you even get through all of that? Dude composes his thoughts like a retarded jackass. I don't feel motivated to decipher his point.

IT'S A FUCKING BULL MARKET A BULL ECONOMY FUCK YOU BEARS IT'S OVER TAKE YOUR FUCKING PROFITS AND FUCKING STOP I SWEAR TO GOD I SWEAR TO GOD I AM GOING TO PUT VOL INTO THE FUCKING DIRT PUT IT INTO THE FUCKING CENTER OF THE EARTH, TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF PUT VOL FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FAGGOTS YOURE THE ONES WHO ARE OUT ON A LIMB

>>11380181
That's a dude isn't it?

>>11380087
>probably a well seasoned notion
Still learning , desu. I feel fact since you are saying that I guess my next comment to you would be not to assume people know what they are talking about here. This applies to me also. I have a PhD in economics and focused on economic history more so. I’ve read a ton and analyzed a ton about markets. But I can also state for a fact that I myself am a terrible trader, and make wrong moves constantly. Experience imo has been a much better teacher than grad school and books ever have been, and sadly I do not have much actual real and true market experience for myself.
I do think it’s important to read about prior historical habbenings from earlier and historical market moves throughout history , gives some perspective on maybe how to think about current situation ...and my reading and maths led me to focus on short side of market since it’s harder and I thought I would have a slight edge there with trading. All I can say is that I make more at my day job than trading , and also I still currently HAVE a day job , so until I do this full time or make better bets I’d say don’t put too much weight on anything I say. (Also for the same reason I know enough to not believe financial press and or quant reports that have the goal of dazzling you with fancy numbers and equations — there is no equation , desu, I promise)

>>11380209
of course

traps > real grills

BofA:
> "We estimate the next credit cycle, when it happens, could bring credit losses to the extent of 2x of expected annual yield income in high yield and leveraged loans. Investors could also experience temporary mark-to-market losses of up to 5x of their annual income."

What does it mean?

>>11380202
Yeah, theyre called bonds.

>>11379588
Reminder that commie kikebears deserve nothing less than painful public executions.

At least TLRY is up. :)

>>11380206
relax brother
this will all be a memory soon enough

>>11380209
https://www.instagram.com/princessberpl/?hl=en

>>11380200
>There is no support to suggest high dividend companies will outperform.
Nobody said that. Dividend growers do.

11:30... SOON

i have 100k cash , should i use thinkorswim or robijnhood for trading fulltime

>>11380244
Well hey that's like your opinion man. Winter is coming and the bears need all the bull meat they can get before going into hibernation.

so what the fuck is going to happen in power hour

i predict mother of all short squeezes

>>11380294
email it to me instead.
i'll put in smart us bonds for us military.

>>11380300
dow -150 maybe even red 200 screencap it bucko

>>11380206
BEAR MARKET INCUMMING

>>11380294
You should put it in S&P 500 or similar wide indices and let it ride.
Spend the free time you would have otherwise spent day trading out on a pond fishing.

>>11380206
Shut up, chink.

>>11380173
>>11380177
x is # of different stocks

>>11380300
once again, the shorts are NOT driving this selling, they are along for the ride.

>>11380300
>he thinks this is because of short sellers

>>11378886
Is this sexy or a colostomy bag?
or both?

>>11380312
What about s&p

>>11380326
so NOW the yellow line is like 7%?

make up your mind and produce some balanced evidence, so both all of it has been both wrong and different from the rest

how long do the cunt gambling addict bears think they can keep vix at 25, time is up, going to get squeezed into atoms

>>11380346
those are holsters man, she's packing heat.

>>11380348
follow suit but to less of an extreme bc its more diverse

>still green

you told me things would be different,/biz

YOU MADE ME LOSE MONEY

>>11379346
those bagels are so good

>>11380186
NO NO THIS ISNT BITFINEX BOGDAN. YOU WONT GET AWAY WHEN YOU FUCK WITH WALLSTREET.

first for $SPY closing red today. Who triple dared me to buy $TVIX at open? thank you

>>11380370
This is called a dead cat bounce. This week has literally been an exact play-by-play of what happened in Jan/Feb this year.

>>11380391
>YOU WONT GET AWAY WHEN YOU FUCK WITH WALLSTREET
b-b-ut wolf of wall street?

>>11380326
It literally says "annualized return (%)" on the bottom. Why is it only 4%?

>>11380392
mega green close, and tvix will fall 10% AH, watch

>>11380349
na, that yellow is the mean between 1000 portfolios

>>11380412
where are you even getting this?

is it truly 'random' or is it more like picking 50 of the top 100 by mcap in SP500

>>11380412
What happen in 2009?

>>11380403
probably a shitty sample year

a problem you cant see without hindsight

When TLT drops below 100 next week and I win eternal bears contest what should I do?

W-when is F gonna get their shit together

>>11380412
>>11380417
it';s more of a testament to equal weighting instead of picking 50 random stocks. S&P index funds are mostly NOT equal weighting, unless you use an ETF like $RSP

Here comes the power hour Bart Up

>>11380418
The head nigger had been put in charge of the economy.

>>11380385
Saralee was owned by TSN but Tyson sold them off recently, its pretty upsetting because I buy the sara lee products

>>11380444
well index funds are weighted by mcap by design, thats the point of following the SP500

is your implication here that you should say equally balance in the top 50 or 100 by mcap companies on a monthly or quarterly basis and it would in your opinion beat an index fund over time?

>>11380455
i'm not really implying anything, just because it's worked in the past doesn't mean that strategy will work in the future.

>>11380455
has a study been done? if you equal weighted the top 50 stocks in the s&p instead of their index weight would you beat the market? it's easy enough to test

>>11380417
>>where are you even getting this?
google search
>is it truly 'random' or is it more like picking 50 of the top 100 by mcap in SP500
random as in let a retarded 2 year old pick your stocks, or use a random seed generator to y/n each stock

>>11380418
dont worry about it

>>11380444
true, it assumes you invest the same dollar amount, not # of stocks
so youre assuming a portfolio with enough cash to do this, with your most expensive stock being your greatest common denominator

>>11380455
I believe it says positions are reset randomly at the end of each month

>>11380478
you can play with a comparison tool here

https://stockcharts.com/freecharts/perf.php?rsp,spy

>>11380478
https://www.portfoliovisualizer.com/backtest-portfolio
i dont want to type in 50 tickers, is there another backtester besides this site that could be useful?

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Pro tip: If you are young and in it for the long haul maybe consider going in on REIT's that focus on nursing homes and assisted living. The silver tsunami is coming and eventually, you'll end up in those kind of places too so might as well in on it while the getting is good.

>>11380516
I believe in US military so bonds are only thing I will invest in.

>>11380510
I have the heaviest GBTC bags here. There is nobody near my level.

Who else should CHKE before today's nosedive?

>>11380454
who owns the gin brands you drink?

need to buy some big time calls

>>11380549
*sold

UH OH ARE WE RALLYING INTO POWER HOUR I THINK WE FUCKING ARE NIGGERS

HERE COMES THE GENOCIDAL SHORT SQUEEZE FAGGOTS AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH

>>11380524
Any reasoning behind that?

Who's ready for the greenest power hour we've seen since Feb?

>>11380555
I checked a long time ago and think they were private label. Ive literally bought out the shelf multiple times at my rite aid, no one goes there except me

Crowne russe
and Glenshire

>>11380579
US Military will kill anyone and everyone opposed to them.

>>11380581
so fucking ready, diamonds

>>11380584
got you shorting RAD.

VXX better take the biggest shit ever and i will make it.

COME ON PLUNGE PROTECTION TEAM COME ON HIT THEM NOW HIT THE FUCKING NOW, THE BEARS ARE SO FUCKING OVEREXTENDED FUCKING CRUSH THEM CCCCCCCCCOOOOOOOOMMMMEEEEE OOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNN

Is this what happens when all those guys that shorted on margin get margin called on Friday and you read about a ton of suicides in the paper on Monday?

I just saw Bogendoff Landscaping drop of billions of yards of new sod to cover the bulls burned pastures.

>>11380468
>i'm not really implying anything, just because it's worked in the past doesn't mean that strategy will work in the future.
basically this

>>11380491

remember that even tho the "average" randon portfolio outperforms the index, that does not mean that everyones will (or yours specifically)
that just means out of 1000 portfolios, 501 or more of them beat the SP500


>>11380478
google stochastic, and maybe Brownian Motion

LET'S GO MOTHERFUCKERS

>>11380609
if we can get the dow to 200 they will all kill themselves, in real life, unironically, but it's GOT TO HAPPEN, RETAKE CONTROL BULLS, FRIDAY RALLY INTO GREEN EARNINGS WEEK COME ON

OH

sorry boys, need some more pain before we recover

>>11380628
The trucks delivering the sod crashed and all burned up in a fire. The bears are in control again.

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I FUCKING HATE IT

>>11380639
OOOOH!!!

WHAT IS THIS PATTERN

>>11380648
r u ok?

So what happens monday if this shit doesn't turn in the next hour?

>>11380623
it makes sense intuitively that a top 50 or 100 equal weighted fund would outperform the SP500

the SP has a bunch of meme companies that dont grow

a top 100~ similar to the Russell thing but equally weighted would allow the top 20~ companies that are typically very non-volatile to be a solid basis to your portfoio and teh bottom say 30~ or whatever would still be giant companies that know what they are doing, yet still have a lot of space to grow

>>11380666
spy goes to 0

>>11380666
look at february. see that upward notch after the first plunge? what happened after that notch? exactly

>>11380666

short placed at 2755 on ES lets go

i will literally donate blood today if dow can close at 250, please jesus for once dont be a faggot

>>11380687
its basic Chaos Theory/Game Theory

two essential areas of study if you want to understand stock market prices

hey guys watch ROAD toward the end of this month

150!!!!!!!!!

just woke up what do I pump

>FNGU
>DPST bounce
uh #winning

>>11380709
you can't donate blood, you're a faggot.

OH OH OH IS IT HAPPENING

We're gonna make it, frens! It's gonna be all right!

YES IT'S FUCKING HAPPENING DAY OF THE BULLS HAS COME

>>11380708
ouch :(

>>11380715
Book recs?

When /rhg/ went from trading and talking about penny stocks every day to /smg/ where everyone started talking about major indexs and blue chips I knew the market and the thread is kill

>>11380738
GIVE ME YOUR POWER /BULLBIZ/!!!

Green wojaks galore.

I have no clue how the market works, are dragon dildos worth investing in?

>>11380744
Shit, Bull market confirmed.

>>11380754
You should try buying some companies that are on sale right now, like LCII

thank you actual god, my margin is safe

it's over

Good time to liquidate those margin calls lads.

>>11380754
/rgt/ was about the same, the trips just gambled bigger, and lasted shorter.
>>noko's
>>CERU muh nigga!
>> MGT to the moon forever!


>>11380755
PUMP EEETT!!!!

>>11380777

down

Is anyone else holding their breath right now? the next 45 minutes determine a LOT in the markets.

>>11380808
nah too late, bears are officially choking here

Where is the selloff? Ain't nobody holding shit over the weekend after a week like this.

>>11380819
i have not slept for like 4 days, literally prayed for this close

>>11380819
Nah, I'm just like fuck it, I'll either win this stupid contest in 3 weeks or I won't. I'm getting 20-1 on something with 50-50 odds. I'll take that bet any day of the week.

>>11380831
God is not listening anymore.

>>11380841
Did you play spreads? I sold a bunch today expecting IV contraction over the next few weeks

>>11380819
>Is anyone else holding their breath right now?
no, because i have a plan, just like you should.

>>11380831
Why? These are the days for huge, quick gains.

>>11380715
yeah hit us with some books Im willing to read

i know game theory from playing poker but struggling on how to apply it to stocks

besides 'nobody knows the true answer so just reduce variance and be in a diverse set of sectors, and hope it works out'

>>11380826
I hope so. But ain't nobody holding shorts over the weekend either.

>>11380856
i am a vol shorter/putter so the last week has been a living hell

BUT IT'S OVER NOW

What the fuck.

>>11380841
you told me to post this when "it" happens
ring a bell?
Do it.

BULLS STRONK

there's the 250, we did it bull bros

>>11380883
What am I supposed to do?

>>11380860
Yale or Stanford has in their webpages at least 1 open course for Game Theory and Economy.

And I think Coursera had one too from some Ivy league course.

>>11380893
you were supposed to put your entire life savings into the spy when it was below the 200 sma

couldnt find the image yesterday though

>>11380897
>>11380860
https://oyc.yale.edu/economics/econ-159
Prof. Ben Polak, Professor of Economics and Management.

.
Texts

A. Dixit and B. Nalebuff. Thinking Strategically, Norton 1991

J. Watson. Strategy: An Introduction to Game Theory, Norton 2002

P.K. Dutta. Strategies and Games: Theory And Practice, MIT 1999

is FOMO about to get BTFO? or is the market saved?! Stay tuned adventurers!

>>11380716
Are you the original construction anon whose company got bought out by ROAD ?

>>11380900
Why the fuck didn't you remind me? I'd have won the contest today!!!

come on you cunts lets fucking green all this shit.

>>11380356
what type of guns?
or what type of bodily fluids?

>>11380903
>https://oyc.yale.edu/economics/econ-159
how do these open courses work? They are litearlly free, so you get what like powerpoitns and other boomer shit and walk through it yourself?

>>11380921
Yes. It's free. Just learn ,I guess.

It feels like everyone is talking about a million different stocks in the same thread, is there something specific y'all have you eyes on that's getting you so heated/overjoyed?

>>11380933
S&P 500.

>>11380929
cool makes sense, cant hurt to see if it can apply and make me a better investor

SOMEBODY MAKE A NEW THREAD
WE DID IT BROS

>>11380945
Ok, I guess I'll keep a closer eye on this chart then.

https://finviz.com/map.ashx?t=etf

>>11380912
Im not going to help my competition

I will win eternal bears contest

THEY"RE SELLING THEIR BONDS TO FOMO INTO SPY!!!!!

>>11380866
I see what you did there.

PLEASE CLOSE HIGH AS FUCK SO I CAN GET OUT OF MY TQQQ CALL

>>11380984
why would you want to lol

new bread being baked?

>>11381006
It's like the rate hikes, everybody thought somebody else was baking them in.

based market

>>11381005
I just kind of wanted to make a couple hundred bucks today. I've gone back and forth on the hold through next week. I feel like earnings will pull us back up, but who knows.

all right, I'm going short vol. VXX puts, exp end of November. let's do this. market will calm down over the weekend, right guys? right?

>>11381024
How long on it is your option? You realize if u placed a call yesterday your fucking retired by the middle of next week

>>11381036
free money brah

>>11380777
ZH has successfully called 1,000 of the past 2 recessions

CIFS

>falling for the dead jew cat bounce.

>>11380777
this guys a nutjob i remember believing his shit when he predicted hte market to crash on august 2nd i think it was and it was a huge bullrun.

>>11381037
the 19th. My man's got till next Friday.

NEW BREAD?!?!?!?!

>>11380751
>>11380860
idk, A random walk down wallstreet?

its fomulas and theorems, better off studying the equations themselves, or trying out a bunch of zero-player "games"

>>11381069
Ima be vacationing in the phillipines for two weeks i hope to come back to you buying us all chillies n cold beers.

>>11381050
lel

THEY KEEP DUMPING BONDS TO FOMO INTO SPY!!!

FLYING INTO THE WEEKEND ON A GREEN MONSTER

i am a retard

New thread
>>11381122

>>11381130

>>11381135
>>11381135
>>11381135
>>11381135
>>11381135
>>11381135

If we close at the high that means the ride isn't over and Mr. President is going to put out some tweets that makes everybody buy this shit up next week. Pack your bags, we're going to the fucking moon!

>>11381130
>>11381142
w-which do i choose?

>>11381079
You have my word.

>>11380798
delet this LCI will moon EOY 2030

>>11381165
the best one

>>11381142


or we make it a 2 bread weekend