/biz/ - Business & Finance

please aren't going to go to crypto
they'll go to gold like they always do

no-one who wants to escape an asset that will drop 40% is going to go to one that collapsed 70%

>>11358435
haha luckily I don't have anything except for 2000 link, 0.5 BTC and my grandfathers gold coin.

>>11358435
NONONONONONONONONO AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>11358453
You do if you think hiding your money is a good idea

>>11358453
i think they will.

>down 70%
thats a very negative way of looking at it, considering its going up 1000's of % over the last decade, theres a reason why its gone up

crypto is the fiat destroyer. Crypto is money, it represents exchange of value, all on a decentralized blockchain..

Crypto Re-invented the wheel in a superior way, and humans will continue to adopt the most modern technology.

>>11358453
They will diversify and if just enough money enters crypto it might spark another run.

But that's wishful thinking.

>>11358472
it's not hiding your money it's losing it

>>11358507
no normies looks at bitcoin and says "wow it's still up from $1" they see at as "wow it was 20k now it's 6k what kind of idiot puts their money in that lol"

the human condition is to see the negative
as far as adoption goes, people adopt when times are good not when they are scared for their next mortage payment

>>11358435
kek. maybe jamie dimon yelled that at his bedroom ceiling shitfaced earlier tonight. it's not a real headline though, that's for sure. you will never see the head of a major bank warn of a crash in advance. it doesn't work like that.

>>11358435
I cant wait to buy the dip

>>11358544
>wow it was 20k now it's 6k what kind of idiot puts their money in that lol

Would I rather have my money in a deflationary asset that’s already 70% down or in the market that’s at ATH. Hmm...let me think about that one for a bit

>>11358435
So glad to see all those smug fucking wagies get rekt. Fucking /r/financialadvice pussies with their 'safe' investment strategies get splattered all over the pavement and their home values turned into nothing. My dick is hard as fuck.

>>11358544
this, it's all about what normies think/feel
the only way crypto could profit from a massive recession is if gold was actively being confiscated in large amounts and they looked for the subjectively second best option to hide it.
with modern technology its not that hard to find it (you couldnt hide it in your house like say 100 years ago)

>>11358721
what is wrong with you?

>>11358754
NPC spotted

>>11358435
Wow its almost like JP Morgan is now net long on all that fucking physical silver they have been hoarding at the Comex.

>they are

YEAH THAT'S RIGHT FUCKEN DIE USD BURN IN HELL WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT

>>11358765
any other old memes you have in stock?

>>11358697
Buy high and sell low amirite lads?

Im all in chainlink how fucked am I?

>>11358635
what are you going to buy ?

>>11358754
Because anyone with a brain can see that the underlying problems that caused the 2008 mini-crash were never addressed. They just pushed interest rates down and called everything fine.

People like myself would say "hey, glad you're stocks are doing well, but this is clearly the result of the Fed printing money and a decade of 0% fed funds reate" and they just laughed at us and at crypto.

When you tell them that crypto is actually the safe investment all you get is that fluoride stare.

brainlet here

How do 401k's and retirement plans? All I want is for boomers to go totally broke and have to be homeless and leech off social security collapsing the whole fucking system itself.

I just want the boomers to suffer bros

>>11358754
>what is wrong with you?
normal detected. bullrun indicator

>>11358876
this

>>11358435

>>11358866
if crypto isn't directly following the stock market trend, then how come BTC is also down right now and not vice versa?

>>11358435
Even if it drops 40% tomorrow, in a year from now you'll be up if you don't sell.

>>11358866
>People like myself would say "hey, glad you're stocks are doing well, but this is clearly the result of the Fed printing money and a decade of 0% fed funds reate" and they just laughed at us and at crypto.

so you're saying you're the fool how saw the free money but did not grab it and now you're raging with envy and self-doubt?
you sound like a socialist.

>>11358913
Because BTC is finishing its meme triangle... then its going to have a bear trap, then its going to moon. Give a week or two.

>>11358920
Just like in 2000 or 2007 right?

>>11358944
checked

>>11358876
You idiot, the boomers are promised their retirements. This will never go away. Same with Medicare and medicaid. To counter that, they're going to raise your income tax to 60% and banks will start getting bail ins instead of bailouts.

>>11358944
just minutes after you posted this it crashed another 1% lel

>>11358435
OH FUCK

A 40% CRASH WOULD BRING THE DOW TO...

Double the recession lows.
Fucking idiot.

this war is not over.

>>11359125
>it's about median values, not about the possibility of huge corporations, banks etc. going bankrupt

>>11359125
>>11359174

>-40%
>thats an alright thing

>>11359174
gets it... the debt system is going to destroy itself, feel free to HODL and go down with the ship.

>>11359012
Civil war when? The founding fathers would approve

at least americans will be getting a free trip to Iran soon

>>11358435
Make sure you get out of crypto first. Crypto will near crash to fucking nothing with the stock market. Then when crypto is at its low point you buy as much of the shit you can.

>>11359319
Uronically what I am waiting for.

>>11358435
remember: if the dollar falls and the price of one coin remains the same, its falling with it.

>>11359916
is this what we're seeing with BTC?

time to switch to gold then like a boomer cuck since crypto is gettting REKT

>>11359916
The dollar is INCREASING in value due to higher interest rates. We need high interest rates now. We need SAVINGS and strong currencies in the West or we will be Venezuela in no time.

>>11360112
This is why everything is going down.

>>11360112
Trump says they need to stay low.

>>11360126
He was bitching about it for the mid terms. We need the crash. We need people to start saving in strong currencies.

>>11358435
Just in time for mid-terms.

>>11358791
>Didn't see that part where all the other major markets across the world are down too.

>>11358765
>>>11358754
>NPC spotted
You are a white supremacist

[End sequence]

I'm hoping for a crash for one reason only, so we can all blame it on Trump and watch people turn on him.

>>11358754
No joke if I had a trillion dollars I'd spend it all trying to ruin boomers finances.

If asian stocks crash when they open in 5 hours how hard will the dow collapse today?

>>11360206
Gtfoh u faggot

That means it'll go up

/pol/ here. sage and ignore crash/recession threads.

>>11360424
>/pol/ here
Fuck off

>>11360265
He who angers you controls you.

>>11358435
>t. bitter crypto loser
crypto is fucked too
it is powell vs. mnuchin. nothing for you there anyway

>>11360424
>/pol/ here
kys

>>11358435
>40%
I feel nothing

>THIS IS THE FINANCIAL REVOLUTION THE WORLD NEEDS

>>11360424

you have to go back

let it burn

>>11358721
Based

So do we switch from crypto to gold now like boomers?

>>11359159

>bear until 2030

how depressing

>>11358754
we don't like people. you best turn back

>>11359319
fucking this, when the dollar implodes people wont be buying groceries with crypto let alone buying crypto, the crypto economy has no real infrastructure that you can live off and this is what will crash crypto to nothing, but this will unironically be the best time to buy the dip after it crashes hard because it will rally when economy recovers

>>11359319
i know this to be true, i'm just trying to hoard my cash instead of buying now.

>>11360424
go back and die there

>>11361604
if that happened a literal race war would break out eventually

>>11361585
I feel like gold will be the best thing to tie your currency to before inflation fucks it because as things get more expensive people will be cashing out the crypto market and buying into the gold market as chinese and russian currencies will be more strongly tied to gold

>>11359319
Yup. First the crash, then people start asking questions and questioning the integrity of the financial system, then the idea of crypto as an alternative start spreading, then you buy. This leaves us a few months

>>11360126
He did nothing but increase interest rates. Your full of shit.

>>11358435
If God blessed Satoshi then maybe he wouldn't be dead

>>11358435
>T-They are hedgin in crypto!
Remember those threads from yesterday you brainlets?
We told you.

>>11361949

>Trump raised rates

>>11358453
So u are saying people with millions of dollars are going to just sit in a collapsing fiat system instead of simply buying bitcoin. Ok.....sounds about fucking right u total brainlet.

>>11358778
this
silver backed $ incoming, as secret anon warned us.

>>11362089
Secret Anon here who predicted this (dead srs it's actually me, I spend way too much time on this shithole).

I'm doubling up my physical silver holdings this week. If you can't get silver get gold or BTC.

Just get the fuck out of stocks and shitcoins you faggots while you still have some money left. The market is going to implode

And yes I still do think there's a high chance jpm attempts to back the dollar with silver. Again China and Russia have been hoarding gold so it would be a good way to hurt them

Also.silver has real industrial use cases

>>11362148
I'm unironically believing you and started to stockpile a shitload of silvers coins (1oz Münze Österreich Austria coins) since your prediction. I'm a poorfag so i can't buy tons of it but i've a good feeling it's the right thing to do.

>>11362148
the writing is so clearly written in the walls it seems,

>Inflation at alarming rates with alarmingly low price action
>clear bubble forming from every angle
>Trillions of $ in debt theres no way of paying back
>JP Morgan Literally hoarding fucking silver in front of our eyes
>interest rates
>trade war

This seems like a textbook recipe for disaster.

>>11362148
the industrial usefulness of silver is infinitesimal compared with the holdings necessary to back a currency. Do you realize the kind of warehouses of this stuff (which is at practically a record low price) it would take to back up a currency. No, not practical whatsoever and absolutely ridiculous.

If you want a metal with high industrial demand invest in something like indium or tin.

>>11360487

Does that mean we control (((them)))?

>>11358866
its almost as if company earnings is also growing rapidly
Hmmm really makes you think. Guess thats why the market is still going up even during QT :)

>>11362878
Public consumption is not growth. This includes niggers on food stamps buying fanta grape

What should someone do with 15k of Canacuck bucks?

>>11358950
Well.. yes? Whats your point?

>>11362467
>Do you realize the kind of warehouses of this stuff (which is at practically a record low price) it would take to back up a currency.
http://goldsilverworlds.com/physical-market/jp-morgan-holds-highest-amount-of-physical-silver-in-history/

>>11360424
/gigafaggot/ here

>>11363069
buy gold

>>11359159

like my god, after what just happened with crypto I would be dumping the shit out of that

>>11358876
Soon the boomers will die and lose their stronghold. When that happens, we will abandon them to rot in Walmart Retirement Subsidiaries. When the boomers and their toxic death grip are gone we will make anime real and we will all make it.

>>11358721
Homes are litteraly the best asset right now besides gold.

>>11360424
>/pol/ here
>believe what our circlejerk tells you to

Kys

>>11358435
Based, once NPCs buy into crypto, I can sell into stocks

>stock market goes down like 5%
>IT'S OVER THIS IS IT FOR SURE THIS TIME IT'S HAPENNIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING
holy shit how many times have I seen this happen

>>11358435
Damn, looks like the Jews are out of options and pulling the plug to take out Trump

>>11361949
>but increase interest rates
Do you know anything about the Fed?

>>11358435
Good.

>>11363427
nobody cares geezer

>>11363465
>nobody cares if the economy collapses we're just here to shitpost xd
searing hot take you got there reddit

>>11363472
do yourself a favour and stop using the internet you ignorant old fart

>>11363489
ok I'll stop now

/leftypol/ here. bump and embrace crash/recession threads.

>>11358920
I'd say it depends on what you are holding
Take euro banks for example
These cucks have never recovered from the 2008 Bogenning
So, hodl carefully

t. Buffett-sama memester

>>11358754
NEETs are completely fucked up in their heads. Their reality only exists within the four walls of their rooms.

>>11358507
>crypto is money
Let's examine that claim.

There are 4 functions of money that it has to fulfill in order to be technically money. These are;
>Reliable store of value
>Medium of exchange
>Measure of value (things can be priced in it)
>Standard of deferred payment (people will lend it/accept being owed it)

Crypto fulfils one of those max: Medium of exchange. It does not reliably store value as the price fluctuates too much, and it is completely susceptible to government takeover (banning exchanges from your ISP etc). They don't have to make it impossible to use, just difficult enough that 80% of people won't bother to try.

It can't be used as a measure of value as the core 'value' of crypto is wasted energy, plus pure speculation. It has no inherent value, like other fiat, but unlike other fiat it is not backed by any strong government or economy to support the money illusion.

Crypto cannot be lent or borrowed, as sending it to someone is anonymous nobody would ever be stupid enough to send crypto and expect to get it back.

Most crypto is not money. The idea that there will ever be a currency without a state or inherent physical value to back it up is pure fantasy.

>>11362148
can i get a link to the prediction thread

>>11360443
>>11360536
>>11360685
>>11361654
>>11363106
>>11363396

t. Shitskins

Day of the rope is coming, boys.

>>11358507
>Crypto is money
more like crypto is super-fiat, it's more fiat than fiat.

>>11363547
>Crypto cannot be lent or borrowed, as sending it to someone is anonymous nobody would ever be stupid enough to send crypto and expect to get it back.
actually crypto lending services pop up left and right. of course you usually have to put down collateral. and also crypto collateral for money loans work too.

>>11358721
based af

>>11359159
it's just a correction bro

I like volatility.

BURN BURN BURN.

TAKE IT DOWN TO 20K DOW.

republicans are really great at handling an economy. you took credit, now reap your rewards lmao

time to buy up the goyim's losses

So should I try to capitalize on this shit? I got 750 in willing to shell out and since everything is going to shit it means it's cheap enough for me to Jew in on it right?

>>11359058

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpCb3xjh-Kk&feature=youtu.be&t=235

OH TEH FUKKEN NOES

Sorry guys, I pussied out and sold all my western mutual funds while I'm still at +10%.
I will keep my russian stocks just in case which I'm 15% up.

I plan on buying it all back once the american mid-term elections are over. I won big by buying in after Trump was elected and I trust him to fix the mess. However, I'm not willing to put up with the hysterics and harm the democrats are willing to cause.

>>11358435
>>11363840
>>11363813
>>11363804
>>11363765
>>11363763
>>11363755
>>11363754
>>11363744
>>11363731

SEE
>>11364767
NOW

ALERT ALERT ALERT

NPC MEME IS A WEAPON - IT'S DRIVING DOWN BITCOIN PRICES.

>NPC MEME IS A WEAPON - IT'S DRIVING DOWN BITCOIN PRICES.

>>11364767
>>11364767
>>11364767
>>11364767

>>11358866

This.

>>11358721

Fuck yeah, I've been waiting for this. Gonna short this shit into the dirt, then buy all their bags at the bottom.

>>11358754

Fuck off redditfag.

>>11358453
>put money in gold
>attempt to cross any border
>get your wealth stolen
kek

Silver could be a good backing for the USD. If it requires warehouses full, then people can't make off with a lot of value unless they have a fucking army.

>>11365519
Production of silver can be too easily manipulated, meaning silver is only slightly worse than copper for savings.
Silver is good for small and medium holdings, but it is no store of value, which is what money should be. Isaac Newton chose gold for the standard for this reason.
http://archive.is/eel99

>>11361638
>when economy recovers

>>11362298
Philharmoniker good choice my spezl.

>>11365564
Then why did nations use silver as money to fund national banks and their entire economies? I'm asking because I don't know.

How can you manipulate the amount of physical silver? It's not like you can recycle some source of silver because then it would already have been done?

>>11358813
>what are you going to buy ?
Tostitos probably.

>>11358754
>newfags still browsing /biz/
We need another -80%

>>11365661
When the price of silver rises enough, because there is more of it in the ground, mining production will increase. Copper is more pronounced in this effect than silver.

The same thing happens with gold, however because there is far less gold in the ground, the price of gold can rise higher and it will still not be profitable for mining production to increase.

We want people trading currency to be productive, not mining it out of the ground in an attempt to make money, devaluing what savers have set aside.

>>11358435
so now that its been confirmed that /biz/ is always wrong, will you stop shitting up other boards with your pink wojak sky is falling shit?

>>11358435
crypto has no value because its value is omly measured in fiat. This is why coins like iota are better. the coin itself needs to represent a unit of value. bitcoins dont represnt anything. its just a number in a computer. the number must be a representation of some form of labor even if that labor is only computer labor.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>11358435
Nice. I've been waiting for some cheap stocks

>>11358435
40%? I'm down 40% in the past month. This baby crash is supposed to shake down the world's economy?

>>11365704
Also consider the instability in S Africa, one of the world’s largest gold exporters. Mines have been shutting down lately, leading to an eventual shortage IMO

>>11359012
At 60% id personally start slaughtering politicians.

don't freakout, go short

>>11366814
60% is the low-end in Europe tho

>>11363069
Convert it to usd.

>>11365819
>crypto has no value because its value is omly measured in fiat
Bitcoin has a value independent of fiat. The value expressed in fiat is a symbol that signals that value. The value must exist first and foremost before a fiat value can be assigned to it -- not the other way around.

>stock market 40% larger than the economy
>n-not a bubble

This shit needs to crash epicly

>>11367255
What is the inherent value of Bitcoin?

>>11362298
Austrian phils are one if my favorite and the premuim is lower compared to eagles. Liquid as fuck too selling them is easy.

>>11363069
Buy a monster box of silver maples. Dont fucking tell anyone.

>>11367307
The faith/trust people have in its protocol, that it is hard to hack/stop, that it is hard to manufacture coins.
Maximalists are convinced it is an extreme benefit to hoard Bitcoin, thus giving it value amongst the group.

This value exists first, and then later is expressed in local fiat denotation and/or goods.

>>11363379
Hope this post comes true
ily anon

>>11367343
So as you didn't mention any of the 4 functions of money that something has to fulfil to be useful as money, I'll assume you know nothing about economics.

>hard to hack/stop
No it isn't. The government could shut it down AT ANY TIME by making ISPs block access to exchanges.

>hard to manufacture coins
So, it's a token for wasted energy?

>>11367307
>What is the inherent value of Bitcoin?

>>11367343
>The faith/trust people have
>inherent
>trustless protocol

>>11367380
I understand the 4 functions of money, I assume you did as well.

>No it isn't. The government could shut it down AT ANY TIME by making ISPs block access to exchanges.
And yet they have not.
>So, it's a token for wasted energy?
No, it is token of stored energy of a past discovery of surprising information, which is itself creative and valuable and scarce.

You should know all of this by now, anon.

>>11365515
Buy DGX tokens.
Store on ETH wallet.
Cross Border
Trade for physical gold when you arrrive at new destination.

>>11367380
Stopping the flow to exchanges won't stop the transfer of Bitcoin or its protocol. There will always be workarounds.
Government banned drugs, and yet drugs are common and more valuable.
Government outlawed piracy, yet that is common as well.

Life finds a way. Find a way to wrap your head around these obvious facts and stop insulting this clear understanding with your repulsive willful confusion.

>>11367406
>I understand the 4 functions of money
So why do you think Bitcoin is money?

>And yet they have not.
Thanks just put 100k in.

>a past discovery of surprising information
>which is itself creative and valuable and scarce
So, wasted energy. You speak like a leftist, and no random numbers are not valuable just because they're unique.

>>11366907
Jesus Christ
Why even work?

>>11367443
So you're investing in a coin that at most will be used by 0.1% of the population who want drugs but somehow would rather use an illegal and inconvenient crypto than pay with cash.

>>11367445
Bitcoin may one day become money. It is currently a speculative asset. Money takes time to become a store of value, the final goal.

>So, wasted energy. You speak like a leftist, and no random numbers are not valuable just because they're unique.
I'm as far right as they come. Mining is how the entire thing functions. It takes energy spent across time to discover truth, which is what Proof of Work mining literally is.

>>11362148
silver exchange rates are so fucking shitty though
if you instantly sold the silver you bought, they would give you 75-80% back

>>11367279
>o-only US citizens invest in the stock market, i-its a bubble

>>11367486
No. Using Bitcoin with its perfect and public accounting history is the last thing criminals should use. It produces evidence that cannot be destroyed.
Bitcoin is limited, proving its security and value, and is constantly being improved. More users will come to it if it is able to easily achieve what institutions fail to offer.

>>11367451
>Why even work?
To pay for Mahmoud and his children.

It's a very efficient division of work. We earn the money, he makes the children so we can both enjoy the benefits of a functioning society.

>>11367491
>can't lend crypto
>unreliable store of value
>has no backing of value either inherently or by a state

How are you even convincing yourself at this point? You're literally invested- emotionally- in a meme.

>It takes energy spent across time to discover truth, which is what Proof of Work mining literally is.

So the 'truth' of hidden random numbers is the value? Dude that is a joke. Try seriously selling that to any businessman. Why on Earth do you still think this will take off?

A crypto will probably be used in the future but as fiat it will HAVE to be backed by a state before anyone can place any long term faith in it

>>11367552
The truth is the next block, which validates all new committed actions which previously happened, anchoring it forever into the ledger in a trust-less way. The difference between a valid hash and an invalid hash is the difference between Truth and Falsehood.

It does not have to be backed by the state. States will scramble to adopt it to remain relevant.

You need to do research on Bitcoin or remain silent.

>>11367528
>make meme
>artificially limit how many copies of meme can be made
>lol it has value now

Sorry but I just don't see it. I've yet to see one Bitcoin believer explain why it's inherently more valuable than state-backed cryptofiat, and safe from shutdown. Any non-state backed fiat will never be adopted by the mainstream investor as a long term store of value because there is nobody to protect it.

>>11367601
Then stop talking about Bitcoin and move on with whatever it is you actually do understand, because clearly you cannot grasp these primitive concepts.

>>11358435
https://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/929049/Dow-Jones-Average-crash-world-stock-markets-JP-Morgan-market-correction

Don’t trust OPs that don’t link to the article. They say they don’t think this is the year and are expecting it in the back half of 2019.

>>11367575
>States will scramble to adopt it to remain relevant.

This is pure fantasy. A state has to control its own money supply. So if they can't control BTC and it gets out of their control, they'll shut it down. If they can control and tax it, it loses the only apparent value (secrecy) it had the first place. And there are other coins they would replace it with.

You need to understand you're not selling anything of value. Random numbers are not valuable just because they're speshul and sekrit. The very nature of BTC makes it a threat to the power structures of the world, so it's almost guaranteed to be opposed, controlled or destroyed. Even if it isn't, why should anyone bother taking the risk? There are things much more valuable that I could buy. Like silver, gold, land.

Learn the difference between value and speculation.

>>11367661
What is commodity money?
Speculation is simply high risk investing.

You confuse Man Made laws for Natural Law and think that Man Made law can override Natural Law.
It cannot, and that is why states will bend to Bitcoin in due time.

I don't care to change your mind anon, I am pointing out the areas that you yourself say you cannot see or grasp. You cannot change my mind with your ignorance.

Sell all your Bitcoin and get out now, clearly it is a scam and going straight to zero.

>>11367614
>j-just shut up!

You're in denial. You can't grasp the primitive concepts of inherent value, store of value, money illusion or states' monetary policy, and you're pretending your special understanding of secret internet points trumps these in any way.

>>11367691
>Speculation is simply high risk investing.
You would really, really benefit from learning economics. Speculation and investing are completely different.

Economics is one area of natural law. So is statecraft. Human organisations with guns simply do not allow money supply to be out of their control.

>>11367691
>Speculation is simply high risk investing
What.

And he's right about the states, having your own currency is one of the more important part of being a sovereign state. If you think any government will hand that off to internet funny money you are deluded. Fuck what about your own government? Would you vote for a party that seeks to replace your currency with fucking Bitcoin?

>>11367748
What is commodity money?
What is the Gold Standard?

Speculation is simply higher risk investment. All investment is effectively speculation.
>set aside capital to venture/asset/good
>hopefully it goes up
>but it could go to zero

Value is -- at the core of its being -- creative, unpredictable information that is typically scarce and useful.

>>11367787
>>11367748
https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/09/difference-between-investing-speculating.asp

>>11367787
>but it could go to zero
Then it's not an investment

>>11367493
Thats u dont sell right after you buy. Think long term.

>>11367840
lmao. Can't reason with retards. Anything can go to zero, including your currency you are measuring things with.
https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/09/difference-between-investing-speculating.asp

>>11367787
How are you this financially illiterate?

>buy a good value stake in a good company, get to share the profits for years to come, not worried about the price

>buy a stake in a random asset because you think lots of other people are going to buy it, autistically monitor the price every day, sell when you think you can make most gains

>these are the same strategies

The absolute state of /biz/. This guy doesn't know the difference between speculating and investing, and doesn't know what risk actually means. Jesus fucking Christ.

>>11367890
>The main difference between speculating and investing is the amount of of risk undertaken in the trade.
"Guys, I'm not investing into Lehman Brothers and Sears, I'm speculating!"

Investing and speculation are the same thing, the only difference being risk, but it is the same exact motions.
What else could the difference between Investing and Speculation be?

>>11365689
>salsa conqueso
absolutament asqueroso

>>11367890
>Cats are animals
>Dogs are animals
>>But cats are different than dogs!
>Yeah, but both are animals.
>>WOW /biz/, this retard thinks that dogs and cats are the same thing. Wow. The absolute state of /biz/.

>>11358793

>he considers that an old meme

you have to go back.

>>11358435
The hidden /pol/ discord is NND8DfE we have over 5000 members and are growing.

It has to stay hidden or (((discord))) will shut it down. As far as discord knows its a Minecraft discord.

>>11361604
THIS

#MAKEDEPRESSIONGREATAGAIN
#MDGA
#DAVAI)))

>>11367327
Where to buy? Government are the only I really trust to buy from but do they take your info when you do?

>>11366907
there must be some european country that is not cucked

>>11367912
Speculating is buying something thinking the price will go up and with the aim to sell it at a higher price. Shorting is also speculating.

Investing is buying something because you want it, because it's valuable to you somehow, e.g. shares in a good company because you'll get paid dividends, but equally investing could be in books to get better at things, or in a degree so you get paid more in the future.

Risk is completely different. Risk is simply how likely something is to get worse/hurt you financially. You can have low-risk speculation. I speculate in physical silver, this is low risk because it is unlikely silver will lose much more value and it will never become worthless.

Investing is buying something because you want it. Speculating is buying something because you want to sell it. And risk is how much whatever you buy would hurt you in a worst case scenario. Stability is how likely that worst case scenario is to happen.

>>11367966
>claims dogs are just high risk cats
>gets schooled in obvious, important differences
>autistic screeching claiming he didn't claim dogs are high risk cats

>>11368029
Sealand?

>>11368036
So if I buy Bitcoin I'm now investing because I care about it?
And when I buy stocks and shares I don't care about, it is speculation?
Speculation is just simply higher risk investment.

No. The amount of risk involved determines whether or not it is speculation.

trumps america was a mistake

trumps dollar is worthless

>>11358453
they already are - the usd is crashing against bitcoin on a multi year timeline and it will continue to do so

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>>11368106
>The amount of risk involved determines whether or not it is speculation.

This is categorically wrong. You're just pulling new definitions of established ideas out of your ass and expecting people trained in economics to accept them.

>>11368171
https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/09/difference-between-investing-speculating.asp
>The main difference between speculating and investing is the amount of of risk undertaken in the trade.

All investment and speculation is made with an expectation of greater value in the future.
Both can go to zero, including seemingly less risky investments.

The lower risk "investment" doesn't become a speculation because it failed; dogs don't become cats because they died.

>>11368195
>quoting investopedia

The MSM would have you to go all in on the stock market today, anon. Risk is simply the potential downside. People both speculate and invest in stocks so I can see why it's confusing.

Say it with me;
>Speculation is buying something because you want to sell it
>Investment is buying something because you want it

This is the definition used by PHDs in Econ and Finance. It's a useful distinction.

>>11367548
Based small id of cuckoldry

>>11358435

A P O L O G I Z E

>>11368659
the stock market is falling off a clif