/biz/ - Business & Finance

He businessed his way to the Presidency so I'm going to say yes. I'm not saying he's a good person, or smart, or articulate, or savvy, or anything, but apparently that doesn't factor into whether you're a good businessman or not.

>>11295254
he wouldnt be president that way though so who won in the end you soi boi

>>11295270

He's good at selling himself to retards. That's his real talent.

>>11295301
It's like your retarded drunk uncle who would always get shitfaced and say "Man, if I was President I'd shake things up", and Trump appeals to all those drunk uncles because he's basically one of them.

>>11295254
who tf is trump

>most famous man in the world
>international brand
>became president
>put his name on like 80 skyscrapers

Thats a decent larp

>>11295343
We are all trump deep in our hearts.

>>11295343

he is #mypresident

>>11295301
And?

>>11295254
>Trump would have been richer if he stuck his money in index funds
When will this meme die? The numbers don't add up at all.

>>11295315

Except he doesnt drink and is smart.

>>11295473
poorfaggots on twitter like to pretend they know how to manage huge amounts of money and it is fucking hilarious

>>11295486
>is smart
Would you like to share the speech or quote from Mr Trump that best exemplifies his keen intelligence? What is the smartest Trump speech, in your opinion? Or even just quote. I'm throwing it open for you here.

>>11295254
You can't turn millions into billions with index funds

>>11295532
This quote alone shows that he is smarter than any current western world leader.

>>11295513
>>11295586
You literally can't cashout.

Thing is that index fund billions isn't equivalent to billions + connections + president.

>>11295254
trump isn't a billionaire, he just played one on tv

the popularity of the apprentice is the biggest reason he's president, the only business he's ever really been in is developing his personal brand and using it to build hotels to help rich people launder money

trump is a builder and has employed tens of thousands throughout the past 30 years

libtards are consumers
of course they'd favor the lazy way to live

>>11295597
Oh wow, no drunk redneck could have come up with that.

>>11295532
He has a college degree.

>>11295883
exactly

>>11295434

And what? That's all lol.

>>11295532
He won the presidency.

You shitpost on 4chan.

>>11295270
>He businessed his way to the Presidency
Fox and talk radio had more to do with that.

>>11295883
can you explain how building a hotel enables one to launder money? would love to hear it

fucking brainlet

>>11296808
what if i said trump shitposts on pol as well

>>11297445

>>11295532
>China has great respect for my really, really big brain
they wouldn't respect him if he had a small one

>>11297465
>not realizing exchanging property back and forth is one of the main ways money is laundered
>calling me a brainlet

lol calm down trumpet

>>11295254
This is objectively false.

>>11295532
>only Rosie O'Donnell
but if you're actually interested and not just a faggot, check out his Poland speech from July 2017

Liberals are idiots. Whatever they screech makes drumof even look better.
> b-but His career is the world's most expensive larp
That's big balls shit. He also spent fraction of Hilary's funds on campaign and still beat her.
Expensive AND cost effective.
That's the business nigga

>>11295254
He used his business sense to change the world. Few people can do that.

Hate him or love him everyone has to respect him because he will get things done with or without you.

>>11295254
Not really true.

>>11295254
So these commies would have preferred he just act like a piece of shit banker rather than create jobs, build something tangible and entertain people

>>11295532
"Grab em by the pussy"

>>11295254

>it is better to sit on your money like some gargoyle slowly increasing wealth and doing notable than it is to fly around LARPing as a businessmen and conning your way into the presidency

Anyone on this site who admires Buffett over Trump is literally and unimaginative boomer.

>>11295883
>the popularity of the apprentice is the biggest reason he's president
Being this fucking autistic.

>>11297478
Posting memes doesnt make what he said not true. Trump wouldnt have gotten anywhere on an independent or third party ticket. He hijacked a party and Fox rolled with it.

>>11295254
Pic may be true.....

but look at him now. he's still rich as fuck, and has learned a lot along the way of getting there.

so either way he played it, he'd still be rich as fuck. dumb observation.

>>11295532
I can never understand why people equate supercifically verbose speeches as indication of a president's competency

>>11295597

That doesn't sound like something that came from his own thoughts.

Let's not forget that Trump simply ran on Ross Perot's platform, 30 years later.

The genius of trump's way of talking is that they are concise and to the point yet people understands him

He is selling change, and people are buying it. People are sick of how nothing seems to be changing since Obama. Regardless if trump is good or bad for the country, he still represents change. We all know he's going to fuck shit up and MANY of BOTH SIDES WANT things to be SHAKEN

People that judge him based on mainstream news sources are truly the lowest NPCs

>>11297465
>unironically asking how construction can be used to launder money
This is a joke, right?

>>11298060
>no actual response

>>11295254
this twitterer talks like image is nothing
he created his entire image with "daddy's money", for decades, that led to becoming one of the most powerful men on earth

way more important than having even more money

>>11295254
If anyone legitimately believes you could turn a couple million into 10 billion by throwing it into an index fund you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

>>11295254
Trump is a mix of genius and retard with no middle ground-investing in NYC in the 70s was incredible seeing how decrepit and shitty it was.

>>11297996
Yup though closer to Pat Buchanan’d

Lets be honest trump isnt intelligent

he definitely got more than the 1 million dollar loan he claimed. he probably got minimum 100 million. Not hard to 10x that any idiot could do it

>>11297897
It was a really popular show back in the day

>>11295532
oh yeah cause your fancy big words exemplifies your intelligence? There are more stupid people in the world than smart people. He's smart enough to know that and use it to his advantage. Speak in an easily digestible way so even the dumbest of the dumb understand.

>>11297465
Watch ozark, you'll understand.

>>11297465
oh god

>>11295473
yeah I cant square this either. 1 mil borrowed from his dad doubling roughly each decade, assuming he got it when he is 20 and he is like 70 now, thats like 32 mil if he never spent a penny.

IRL he is worth like 8 billion or something? Pretty sure he did something right.

>>11295254
>indexed mutual fund

>>11298627

You really think he only got 1 million from his daddy?

>>11297533
going to have to explain this one to me champ

>>11297931
I think he could actually have won as a 3rd party candidate. It would have been harder but the first time they get into a debate on national tv teflon don would devour their souls.

>>11298656
thats what he said. A "small 1 million dollar loan from his father"

>>11298686
>thats what he said.

>>11295254
in my opinion, he hasn't done poorly, but he wasn't optimal. but hindsight is 20/20 so you can't really blame anybody for not taking the optimal path. given his headstart i'd say the outcome is, on a scale of 10 and 5 being average, a 4,

>>11298627
doubling every decade is a terrible ROI. a typical SP investment doubles every 7.2 years. secondly he didn't just receive that million, i think, progressively he inherited more as his father retired.

>>11297897
the apprentice is when the average american developed a love for donald trump's particular brand of hot air anon, before that he was just some rich asshole from new york but that show made him THEIR rich asshole from new york

>>11295301

THIS

he's found a way to exploit the dumbest people in the country (his followers)

You kinda have to respect him for being a good conman.

>>11298686
That retard is forgetting that this was in the fucking 70's, a million was a lot of money. That's besides the point, Trump got hundreds of millions from his father. I don't give a shit either way. He was the only person to give it to.

>>11298843
imagine being this oblivious

>>11295532
His speech on globalism at NATO was pretty good.

Also which is more likely: the son of a multimillionaire and nephew of an MIT professor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_G._Trump)) magically lost 50 IQ points or that he realized making people underestimate you can pay off big league (say, by causing your opponent to carelessly skip entire states vital to your election strategy)?

But, you know, keep underestimating him. Your mind might change as he leaves office in 2025.

>>11295883
>the popularity of the apprentice is the biggest reason he's president

Absolutely zoomer

>>11295434
>And?

What? Do you find tricking hillbillies impressive? Lmao.

>>11295532
>I have a very good brain and I've said a lot of things.

>>11298879
zoomers were barely alive when that show came on man. if you really can't see the connection between that show and where we are right now i don't know what to tell you

>>11298883
The presidency is management and sales. Those core skills then get multiplied by hunger for power and strategy.

>>11298669
>I think he could actually have won as a 3rd party candidate.
He ran 3rd party and lost. This isn't a hypothetical.

>>11298627

The theoretical mutual fund is made up by the Hillary Clinton campaign. Basically, if he picked a bunch of stocks that we know were successful after the fact, he would have made more money. It's propaganda that works on Hillary's financially illiterate voter base.

>See, if he bought a mutual fund of Berkshire Hathaway, Microsoft and Apple stock in the late 80's, he would have made WAY more money. But Blumpf is so stupid, he didn't know that at the time.

>>11297931
He would not have won if Hillary was not the absolute most worthless fucking human on the fucking planet.

>>11298843

Run for president on a campaign that appeals only to people with an IQ over 120 and see how it goes.

>>11295254
He's one of the most powerful and famous people on the planet, by any metric in existence.

He's successful, and liberal haters are butthurt.

>>11298911
It's funny that you call others finally illiterate while not understanding what an index fund is.

>>11298627
He got 400 million from daddy.

>>11298898
Trump was famous well before the apprentice and people wanted him to run for president before the apprentice as well

>>11298919
But she was running. He saw an opportunity, and took it. What's wrong with that?

>>11298901
The presidency is a joke now perpetuated by whatever the media latches onto which will keep eye balls on their channel. That's how Trump got in and that's how some other unqualified joke will also be the next president. When it happens again, it will solidify my statement.
>Kayne or The Rock 2020

I believe this business(aka /biz/) board might have a higher percentage of those of the Hebrew variety than other boards, which would explain the negative attitude toward our president.

>>11298919
This. She ran the worst campaign imaginable after stealing the nomination from Bernie. Bernie would have wiped the floor with Drump. Everyone knows it...except for every selfish femcuck out there who thought it was time for a woman president.

>>11295254
>1m x120% is $32b
Aight nigger

>>11298940
What's wrong with that is that we have a president who is completely incompetent on a day-to-day basis, who is easily manipulated but poorly controlled and is the literal laughing stock of the world. If his opponent wasn't a pretentious retarded woman with baggage the size of the 400 lb hacker then we might actually have leader in the executive branch right now.

>>11298940
What kind of cope comment is this? Nobody as weak as her ass should have ever been pushed that hard. At least Bernie would have lost with dignity.

There are only two possible versions of why Trump is Prez:

1) Russia is attacking the US, the Cold War never ended. This one is highly likely considering how many other Russian attacks have been identified in recent years. They are trying to cause dissent and division and knew Trump would be most likely to do that.

2) Extreme leftists planted him because they knew the pendulum would have to swing as wide in the other direction since he’d cause such a visceral reaction. The doldrums of America get to cheer him on a little and feel rewarded in spite of their idiocy, and when we snap back the majority of America gets true progression.

For me theory 1 is most likely. There is no world where Trump is actually the choice of the American people. The fact that there are people dumb enough to think that in this thread is proof of such.

>>11298960
Haha no he wouldn't. Trump would have mopped the floor by branding him a crazy old commie who wrote rape porn. Would have been over in the debates.

>Tax duh 1%
Bernie will never win because he can't math

>>11298967
Trump doesn't have $32b and he got $400m from his father.

>>11298972
>What's wrong with that is that we have a president who is completely incompetent on a day-to-day basis, who is easily manipulated but poorly controlled and is the literal laughing stock of the world.

Stop watching CNN you absolute fucking moron. Hes not doing badly at all as president. Hes just doing what presidents always do. They fuck up and maybe get one or two things done.

>>11295254
>lefty using the word larp

>>11298972
>>11298980
lmao

oh wait, you're serious? pppfffffAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

>>11298960
Bernie only did as well as he did because she was trash. If any young male centerist with an ounce of charisma had been on the stage, Bernie would have never built up the following he did. He only looks good because nobody ran serious attacks on him.

>>11298980
>For me theory 1 is most likely.

Neither are likely. He ran against a weak candidate and he won. Thats easy to grasp and its what happened.

>>11298944
You're close. The formula is that you either ally with the press to get genuine support (immunity from scandals, free coverage of your issues, all of Hollywood, etc) or you bait them into constant negative coverage (scandal immunity via oversaturation, free coverage by making your messages horrific to the media but positive for your base).

Yeezy shows promise at the latter, but I don't know how good he is at strategy. Trump locking up immigration hardliners for the primary, tactically eliminating each opponent, then going after the rust belt for the general were all masterstrokes.

>>11298989
>Entire U.N. literally laughs in his face

>>11295301
>>11295315

This.

Dumb people vote. Trump got every one of their votes.

Also, my buddy was a cook at the Mar-a-Lago club for 4 years and told me some Trump stories. The guy was a hot head, he could go from totally calm to yelling at someone in about 10 seconds. Also Trump was trying to fuck a different model every few weeks. Guy was an animal.

>>11295532
>We are standing up for America and for the American people. And we are also standing up for the world.

>This is great news for our citizens and for peace-loving people everywhere. We believe that when nations respect the rights of their neighbors, and defend the interests of their people, they can better work together to secure the blessings of safety, prosperity, and peace.

>Each of us here today is the emissary of a distinct culture, a rich history, and a people bound together by ties of memory, tradition, and the values that make our homelands like nowhere else on Earth.

>That is why America will always choose independence and cooperation over global governance, control, and domination.

What's wrong with this you limp wristed faggot? Obama would've given a U.N. speech about how awesome it is that migrants are flooding the borders of all western nations.

>>11299005
Damn, now the UN will veto his....

I mean the nations there will counter his leverage by...

I mean, Trudeau put up at least some fight to save NAFTA and China hasn't officially collapsed yet, right?

>>11298986
I guess we'll never know. Bernie probably was too far left with his 1% math and that's why even the dems didn't let him have the nomination. They'd lose too much money as well.

>>11299017
>Presidents write their own speeches
Ok, anon.

>>11299000
You aren't wrong. He was still a shit canidate. I still think he would have gave Trump a better fight than goofy ass Hillary. I just hope there is better options for everyone next time around. Oh and maybe a few canidates under 65 fucking years old would be nice.

>>11298989
>Hes not doing badly at all as president.
He's doing so badly at being
3,000 people died, partially due to his incompetence, and he denied that it even happened.

>>11299027
Bad math doesn't often make it through congress, bernie would have been good for the changes he would make to money in elections and money in washington, basically what Trump says but not a bold faced lie.

>>11299005
>>Entire U.N. literally laughs in his face

If the people laughing at you are utter fucking failures then its barely worth even mentioning...

>>11299017
If you think Trump actually wrote this then you are even more retarded than he is.

>>11299060
*3,000 Puerto Ricans

>>11299066
Does having the world laugh at you hit too close to home? It's worth mentioning that America is a laughing stock.

>>11299016
>The guy was a hot head, he could go from totally calm to yelling at someone in about 10 seconds. Also Trump was trying to fuck a different model every few weeks. Guy was an animal.

> Muh toxic masculinity
> Muh Patriarchy

>>11299060
>He's doing so badly at being
>3,000 people died, partially due to his incompetence, and he denied that it even happened.

Yeah Obama took the noble peace prize while he droned the fuck out of the middle east enough to make Terminators and Skynet look like PG13 kids flick.

If you are still watching CNN and reading the WSJ you deserve to be this wrong.

>>11299002
Good points. Attacking people is definitely a Trump strong suite. Ye is likely too weird to focus and pull that off. Either way I still expect another non-politician to take the presidency. Unless there is a crafty, young Beto O'Rourke type that will swoop in. I just want a president that uses a fucking computer. Is that too much to ask for?

>>11299075
And Puerto Rico belongs to which country?
If 9/11 happened right now Trump would go on TV brag about how he would have run into the buildings, claimed the towers were mostly empty, insinuated that Hillary was responsible for not increasing security while Sec. of State, shot a few missiles at Afghanistan then wrote angry tweets about the media being mean to him when he was so hypothetically brave.

>>11299080
>It's worth mentioning that America is a laughing stock.

Most of the laughing at the US is COPE while they get cut to pieces from massive fucking amounts of imperialism.

>>11299066
Right. The whole rest of the world are failures. Gotcha.

>>11299101
Nothing I said was wrong. Obama is irrelevant. Trump contributed to and then denied the deaths of thousands of his own people.

>>11298980
Your life isn't a movie.

>>11299005
Fine, let them sanction us with their army... OH WAIT

The only issue I disagree with Trump on is the environment. Everything else rules

I mostly hate that Trumped spawned all these shitty backwards politician's in the south. Weed wont be legalized in the south for about another decade.

>>11299102
> Attacking people is definitely a Trump strong suite.

Anyone who walks into a room full of fucking fakes and calls them out is ALWAYS going to look like a god damn hero.

> Right. The whole rest of the world are failures. Gotcha.

Nothing matters anymore as technology changes and we enter an automated ago. Meanwhile globalism is a failed concept. So yeah, eat a dick.

>>11299110
Trump has significantly damaged our soft power and his attacks on NATO decrease our ability to exert influence on our vassals. When Europe begins talking of increasing independence from the US due to the incompetence of our president that decreases our imperialistic power.

>>11299124
>Nothing I said was wrong. Obama is irrelevant. Trump contributed to and then denied the deaths of thousands of his own people.

Name a president that didnt in the last 30 years. HAHAHA

>>11299102
It's easy to fall into the trap of "next time will be like last time". Trump's attacks worked because he had the messaging discipline (picking the right time to brand the person) and the killer marketing skill (each nickname felt viscerally accurate). That's a combo that most often occurs in politicians, or at least their consultants.

>>11299108
Hopefully we pawn it off on China for a few hundred billion (plus Taiwan).

>>11299145
No other president has denied the death of his own people.

You can't just buy a billion dollars worth of indexed mutual funds after inheriting millions in illiquid assets (real estate)

This guy is a tard

>>11295254
Trump is the greatest man I've ever seen in my life. Only brainlets do not understand him.

>>11299142
>When Europe begins talking of increasing independence from the US due to the incompetence of our president that decreases our imperialistic power.

A bunch of toothless morons who think the direction to go is massive immigration when half of peoples jobs will be gone due to new technology in the next 5 years causing an uprising that will cause insane amounts death and destruction.

Right now we are at another paradigm shift anyway so nothing matters until we know what the new tech will do.

>>11299158
No one cares about your made up study and theoretical deaths, Pablo.

If you didn't want a six month blackout, you should've gotten your shit together some time in the past century.

>>11299153
>It's easy to fall into the trap of "next time will be like last time". Trump's attacks worked because he had the messaging discipline (picking the right time to brand the person) and the killer marketing skill (each nickname felt viscerally accurate). That's a combo that most often occurs in politicians, or at least their consultants.

It helped that most people hated the fucking idiots he made fun of in the first place. That helped a HELL of a lot.

>>11299164
Remember that time he gave a speech to a crowd of Englishmen about how he didn't understand the difference between the UK, England, and Britain?

>>11299176
A good president would exert softpower to influence the course of European policy inline with US interests. Behaving like a babbling retard actively hurts the position of the US on the world stage which will have consequences as policy evolves and Europe moves away from acting in US interests.

>>11299183
True, but you don't necessarily need that.

I mean in the primary, Jeb's favorability among Republicans wasn't great but nobody outright hated him. He was like a 2000 McCain or 2004 Kerry. Still got torched, knocked off his game by that memorable nickname, had to become Jeb!

>>11299204
Bingo.

Speaking as a Canadian his behavior has eroded 100 years of cooperation and soft power buildup in a matter of months. The next president is going to have his work cut out for him if he wants to salvage america's alliances and interests.

>>11299181
Is that the best you can do? This is what happens when you can't back up a position with facts.

>muh indexed mutual fund
It's pretty hilarious, watching NPCs pretend to be smart and talk about complicated-sounding things that they don't even understand. I mean it works, they fool other NPCs. But Trump wouldn't even have a billion dollars if he did that. He now has several billion...

>hurr durrrrr he coullddld have bought X or Y and have trillions and zillions of dollars
Yeah, and you could have bought bitcoin in 2010 or whatever, but look where we are now?

>>11299212
nobody in america wanted a third bush presidency. N O B O D Y

dear leader made a mockery of a bunch of losers. that's all the primary was. i facepalm when i hear him still brag about it to this day, talking about these guys like they were the cream of the crop or some shit.

it was entertaining but it wasn't really impressive, all he had to do was not give a fuck and considering he had no political career to protect that was easy

>>11299197
Haha, that's awesome.

And if you're honestly worried, realize that any decent executive will delegate anything that relies on it (US-UK trade agreement?) to people who know that shit.

>>11299204
US interests are to not have Europe turn into north north Africa, complete with nukes. The soft power reward of an extra 200 dudes in Afghanistan is completely pointless.

>>11299204
>A good president would exert softpower to influence the course of European policy inline with US interests.

What the fuck does this even mean? I mean in actual practice what the fuck was better? You prefer he acted like a cuck like Obama and drone striked US citizens and kids "fun sized terrorists" while pretending to be a nice guy?

His strong tactics are far more effective with dealing with Russia and North Korea and even China for fucks sakes. Stop acting like half the world is not out to basically skull fuck you you naive child.

> Speaking as a Canadian his behavior has eroded 100 years of cooperation and soft power buildup in a matter of months.

We are heading toward economic collapse world wide anyway. Nothing fucking matters at this point. When the drones and self driving trucks start running 24/7 and the fast food industry cuts 90% of its employees during a housing bubble pop. We might as well just fucking KYS anyway.

>>11299197
There is no fucking difference, doth the charade, you are all Quasimoto to me.

>>11299228
You can't even keep track of death tolls, needing fucking Harvard grads to give you push polls about "do you know anyone who died in the past six months?".

If you could get up to the level of governments in the 1800s, complete with unloading ships and realizing hurricanes exist, we'd start benchmarking you against Hawaii. As it is, your shithole island is such an embarrassment people politely forget about you.

>>11299255
>We are heading toward economic collapse world wide anyway. Nothing fucking matters at this point. When the drones and self driving trucks start running 24/7 and the fast food industry cuts 90% of its employees during a housing bubble pop. We might as well just fucking KYS anyway.
Which is why we need to be working together to face it, not tearing centuries old alliances apart over 2% access to the dairy market.

>>11295254
No, because of pic related. He was given millions by his dad.

>>11299275
Loaned a million in the 70s, then given a few dozen million in the 90s.

>>11298686
>thats what he said
Yeah ok idiot

>>11299248
>US interests are to not have Europe turn into north north Africa, complete with nukes. The soft power reward of an extra 200 dudes in Afghanistan is completely pointless.
Ok first off, you know that he has done nothing to change Europe's course with immigration right? He has convinced no one. He is a laughing stock. If you think stopping Europe from getting BLACKed is #1 priority then Trump has failed at that and made it significantly more difficult for any other right wing leader to convince Europe to change course in the future. Second, influence on Europe extends far beyond the troops they supply. The fact that you are an uneducated dipshit when it comes to even basic things like positioning our military bases to have force projection across the middle east is a reflection of the fact that previous presidents have actually understood or had knowledgeable advisers about foreign affairs. Trump only looks like a good president if you, like him, know almost nothing about the world.

>>11299272
The only ones who matter are going to be mega corporations in a situation like this. Its far better in this scenario to be as cut throat as possible while governments are slowly starved out by people who tax dodge with tokenized wealth systems and variations of crypto.

>>11299223
Retard, Justin Trudeau is the greatest detriment to Canada US relations. Throws a hissy fit because he can't put gender bias in Nafta. Fucking kill yourself.

>>11299284
Are you even paying attention to what has transpired in the past couple of days?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html

President Trump participated in dubious tax schemes during the 1990s, including instances of outright fraud, that greatly increased the fortune he received from his parents, an investigation by The New York Times has found.

Mr. Trump won the presidency proclaiming himself a self-made billionaire, and he has long insisted that his father, the legendary New York City builder Fred C. Trump, provided almost no financial help.

But The Times’s investigation, based on a vast trove of confidential tax returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father’s real estate empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day.

>>11299284
$400 million is not a "few dozen."

>>11299268
Donald Trump is a terrible president who let thousands of his own people die and then denied it.

>>11299289
Oh I'm sure Hillary would keep Merkel's minions from crushing Brexit, Italy, and the V4. Definitely, yup, no difference there.

And as for bases, the Fulda Gap hasn't mattered in thirty years. It makes zero difference whether there are protests outside Ramstein or we have to move it 200 miles east.

>>11299319
These racist fucks you're conversing with unironically do not care that Puerto Ricans died anon

“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

― Jean Paul-Sartre

>>11295254
LITERALLY THE PRESIDENT. AND YOU LOSERS TALK SHIT.


LOVING. EVERY. LAUGH. I AM JUST LOVING IT. SERIOUSLY TRUMP AND YOU LOSERS HAVE CURED MY DEPRESSION, I LITERALLY BEAM WITH DELIGHT JUST ENJOYING YOUR PAIN. KEEP IT UP. I NEED IT.

>>11299272
>not tearing centuries old alliances apart over 2% access to the dairy market.

I wonder how the dairy market will fair when some dumbass finds a way to make synthetic dairy products and spams the market...

Fuck man, we already have Synthetic meat coming. Everything about technology is going to just decimate the old world. 3d Printers putting military grade guns in every home. nobody can force you to collect taxes anymore.

Nothing fucking matters until we see the next paradigm in full swing. So fuck NATO.

>>11299330
The twitter man can't hear you anon.

>>11299318
My word, does the IRS know Trump hired good accountants?! Surely the article would say.

>>11297931
>He hijacked a party and Fox rolled with it.
You say that like it's no big deal. That was a HUGE accomplishment to literally perform a hostel takeover of one of the the two major American political parties

>>11299330
Us:
>Trump is bad at being President and causing harm to lots of people, many of his decisions have resulted in bad consequences, also here is some evidence that he has been lying about his finances his entire life
You:
>LOVING. EVERY. LAUGH. I AM JUST LOVING IT. SERIOUSLY TRUMP AND YOU LOSERS HAVE CURED MY DEPRESSION, I LITERALLY BEAM WITH DELIGHT JUST ENJOYING YOUR PAIN. KEEP IT UP. I NEED IT.

Hmmm I wonder which side is full of retarded hillbillies and shills...

>>11299325
Hillary Clinton has no bearing on the fact that Donald Trump is a terrible president.

spics whining

>>11299272
screw the leafs, they had it coming, daddy trump made them bend the knee

>>11299349
>Us:
>>Trump is bad at being President and causing harm to lots of people
lots of harm to spic cunts who want to exterminate white people. Nobody else.

>>11299349
To expound on this point, I unironically cannot even imagine the mental state of people who are this ecstatic about Trump, I'm going to assume you're all trolls spreading propaganda from now on, and bots.

>>11299360
Trump supporters literally think the world is like Game of Thrones (after it got stupid).

>>11299370
>lots of harm to spic cunts who want to exterminate white people. Nobody else.
Wow you're an utterly delusional racist, why am I unsurprised that you're a Trump supporter? YOU are what's bad about this country, don't you understand that?

>>11299378
You're never going to wipe out white people. You've tried and you've failed. Loser.

>>11299383
Why did you post this? I'm serious, who the fuck are you people and why do you post retarded shit like this?

I'M PALE WHITE, BLONDE, AND LIGHT EYED YOU FUCKING MORON.

So why the fuck did you just write a post saying "You're never going to wipe out white people" when I've never once had any inclination to do so? You're delusional, the only conclusion I can make is that you're literally mentally ill, or paid to post things like this, there is NO other explanation.

>>11299391
America will be majority white forever. You lose.

>>11299396
Actually as the world becomes more interconnected, statistically white people will most likely continue to become more and more rare since whiteness is recessive. So unless totalitarian white supremacy comes into play, you're wrong. Oh, wait, I guess that's your actual plan. You fucking delusional piece of shit. Do the world a favor and kill yourself. A blue wave is literally coming. I know you like to turn it into a meme but anyone with a brain can see it.

>>11299197
That one really flew over your head huh brainlet?

>>11299354
I just gave you three examples where Trump is creating openings for European progress that would not otherwise be there, dumb dumb.

>>11299349
>Everything's going right with his presidency
>Have to dig through decades old dirt, fabricate rape allegations, desperately gamble on cat ladies showing up to the midterm
>Resort to cliche insults

Desperation's not a good look, chief.

>>11299371
>To expound on this point, I unironically cannot even imagine the mental state of people who are this ecstatic about Trump, I'm going to assume you're all trolls spreading propaganda from now on, and bots.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. I dont like Trump very much at all but I REALLY dont like how bad the left has become over the years. Virtue signaling racists fucks with zero facts to back up any real argument. A desire to ignore genders and biology as well as science.

News flash, I fucking hated the evangelical Christians too. Anyone who ever steps this bad is a fucking eyesore and deserves to get stomped into the ideological ground.

>>11299407
America will be majority white forever. You lose. It's over. You've failed. Eat shit.

>>11295254
>Is Trump a good businessman?
tl;dr yes

Hes the best president in a long time too, really the American people are very lucky, Clinton was a one way ticket to monetary collapse. The left however will get the last laugh as this boom cycle ticks over and we enter the harshest economic correction since the depression (this is what we are due for anyway - anything less is a miracle), they will blame him for it despite Trump doing some great work for the economy and the brainlets will eat it up even though the crisis will come from emerging markets. Will it win them an election though? I doubt it unless they come right back into the center.

>>11299413
You spend too much time on the internet, the vast majority of all political decisions being decided upon in the US government have nothing to do with race or gender.

>>11298931
>His dad died in 1999. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Trump

>1999 - 2018 is 19 years
>Lets say S&P averages 10% YoY and doubles every 7.2 years
> 19/7.2 = 2.63
>2.63 X 400 Million = about 1.055 Bllion
>He is currently worth 3.1 Billion
https://www.forbes.com/profile/donald-trump/#1abffc0847bd


LMAO at believing twitter morons with no evidence, no wonder biz is going broke with crypto.

>>11299138
>Globalism a failure.

Hahahahahaha. The internet hasn't even been around 20 years you fuck. Communication is just starting to ramp up. If you don't think that in another 20 years, most of everything will be the same, you are deluded. Go to any major city on earth. They are practically identical.

>>11299424
Found the Russian

>>11299455
Look, it's another "brainlets can't do math" thread

400 * 1.10 ^ 19 = 2.446 billion, based on the numbers you provided

Hey, do the world a favor and go back to middle school.

>>11299455
i hate to be the stick in the mud, but he received a lot of his inheritance before his father died.

>>11295254
Typical dindu logic

>>11299481
Still under the 3.1

>imagine pushing desperate MSM talking points before the midterms

SAD!

>>11299493
because you tallied the answer as a lump sum at the death of his father, when in reality he received the majority of it before his fathers death to reduce the tax liability.

>>11299493
>He only received a free 2.446 billion, not 3.1 billion!
>He's self made!

>>11299506
You worth 554 million anon?

>>11299467
I'm British, I get up this early to get ahead of the markets.

>>11299514
If I grew up with a multi-hundred-millionaire father who groomed me from a young age and gave me countless business connections, along with a trickle of millions of dollars resulting in a free 2.446 billion dollars for doing nothing if I just waited a couple decades, you could bet your ass I'd have made 554 million with that money you imbecile. Furthermore, even if you were right and I was a failure who'd lose every penny I was given, that has nothing to do with Trump you fucking moron

The majority of debates on 4chan come not from idiological disagreements, but from a lack of a Philosophy 101 level of understanding of valid forms of reasoning vs. fallacious forms

Do the world a favor and go to school

>>11299424
>The left however will get the last laugh as this boom cycle ticks over and we enter the harshest economic correction since the depression (this is what we are due for anyway - anything less is a miracle), they will blame him for it despite Trump doing some great work for the economy

nobody's ever "due" for anything, the economy is the sum of the choices of the people participating in it. he and congress cut taxes hugely at the end of that cycle and left the US government with no ammunition to stimulate the economy since interest rates were already too low to cut, in the event of a recession. he and congress are also gutting regulations and putting banks back at the baccarat table, because nobody in charge remembers or wants to remember anything that happened ten years ago.

the US population is addicted to short-term thinking and the people who are supposed to make the hard decisions are being paid by the rich to open the vault for looting.

i don't really give a shit about moral arguments, or whether or not people deserve to have certain tax rates or deserve to get certain entitlements. bottom line is, how the fuck is the US going to finance its debt and maintain a strong economy? there is no plan for this anymore. there is NOBODY at the wheel. everybody bitched about the obama debt load for 8 years, republicans took power in a clean sweep, and then immediately made the whole fucking thing worse.

>>11299451
>You spend too much time on the internet

The fuck you doing on the internet to say some shit like this. This motherfucker just literally told me that I need to watch more TELEVISION.

KYS

>>11299466
>Hahahahahaha. The internet hasn't even been around 20 years you fuck. Communication is just starting to ramp up. If you don't think that in another 20 years, most of everything will be the same, you are deluded. Go to any major city on earth. They are practically identical.

> To be this fucking dumb where he cant tell the difference between a technological paradigm and one government to rule all of earth.

>>11299608
>Imagine not knowing that's not possible without technology...

>>11295434
?

>>11299624
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Did you just fucking try to say that its impossible for technology to function differently than what you imagine?

What the fuck you think crypto is going to do? Bring us together? No its going to make it impossible to to enforce a global rule.

>>11298031
This. My father outright said he didn't like Hillary or Trump but he voted for Trump because he simply "Wanted something to happen".

America was on a downward spiral for the past decade. At least with Trump, even if it is a downward spiral, we're going down screaming and laughing.

>>11299374
They are so dumb, it's so obviously like Harry Potter!

>>11299001
This. I'll always believe more people voted against Hillary than for Trump. Trump is an idiot, Hillary is a fucking cowardly scoundrel.

>>11299749
>Trump is an idiot, Hillary is a fucking cowardly scoundrel.

She is such a fucking awful person that anyone who wanted to vote for her are by extension awful people. Dishonesty and science denial. Inability to use logic or reason. Sexist as hell as well. A hatred of Masculinity. No principles at fucking all. Had Seth Rich obviously murdered. People like this hate every religion but embrace Islam. What the fuck kind of troglodytes are even remotely cool with Islam? By extension the KKK were loving people compared to anyone within that circle. Islam is so tragically evil that its amazing to me when people stick up for that shit.

Literally the worst shit I see posted on 4chan is low key compared to the average Hillary supporter on Reddit. They are WSJ reading corporate boot licking Islam loving scum.

Hillary represented all of these things. What a Vile fucking person! And what was her only defense?

> Stop being sexist!

>>11299550
Fair points for sure. The only solution I see is development of molten salt reactors, trade balancing (tariff revenue) and a non-interventionist foreign policy coupled with social welfare reduction the latter two are not part of his admins agenda the foreign policy side of things especially. There is more deregulation that is possible at the bottom ends of society also I feel, and lets be honest no matter how libertarian you are its obvious banks should be last to get de-regs. You are absolutely right that the spending needs to fall and the focus on getting a fiscal surplus should be primary objective, the US had their chance of that in 2012 with Ron Paul but they were not quite strong enough to prevent the then internal RNC electoral fraud.

>>11299016
>my buddy was a cook
>has one on one experience interacting with donald trump even though he likely never saw him irl once

>>11299016
Trump does seem unhinged.

>>11295254
cant do many deals with sater with mutual funds. it doesn't take a genius to be an anchor baby and a brothel owner. which is exactly what is all this shit

>>11298931
Fred Trump was worth 200 million when he died and Donald is one of five kids. There's no way he got 400. Even when being generous and assuming the complete 200, that would only be about 440 million now since we've had the dotcom bubble and financial crisis in between. The numbers only start to add up if you assume a fake return of 17%-18% per year, while in reality the S&P barely averaged 4% since 1999, or if you pretend he got the money in like the 70s, which is impossible - time value of money is real for Fred Trump as well. But in either of those cases you'd simply be lying.

>>11295301
Wasn't it the greatest virtue in businesses?
Think about Hollywood, Coca-Cola and McDonald's. Only absolute retards consume their products

>>11299742
too bad for him its a rocket ship to space

>>11295301
so he would be elected president of biz almost unanimously

>>11295532
He is the zeitgeist. He captured it, and has transcended history. He fooled the entire country. Obviously, that takes some intelligence.

>>11299901
Hows the weather in Russia right now?

>>11297445
factually incorrect.
hate all these historical revisionists.
Fox news was very anti-trump when he started campaigning. even up until his nomination when they were forced to pick him over hillary.

>>11300399
Hows it feel to be a massive moron who will be the butt of every joke for the next 10 years while people look back in history and facepalm about how retarded people like you were?

Here's a hint, When people freaked out over devil worshippers and communists they were ALSO just as retarded as YOU right now.

> NAZIS AND RUSSIA UNDER THE BED NAZIS AND RUSSIA UNDER THE BED!!!

Go fuck yourselves you worthless brain damaged Buzzfeed reading degenerates.

>>11300521
Yup, looks like you're really far down that rabbit hole. Don't forget to bring up Hillarys emails, or bring up how the Mueller investigation is a witch hunt (lets just ignore that it has over 20 indictments and multiple guilty verdicts). There's no reasoning with retards like you, hell, you're even believing the Seth Rich conspiracy theory.

>>11300555
Benghazi

>>11300558
Zero indictments.

>>11300555
>Yup, looks like you're really far down that rabbit hole.

Your the one who accused a red blood American with common sense of knowing or giving a fuck about the weather in fucking Russia. In the context that I am a Russian agent spy.

If you fucking think that having half a brain to call out CNN bullshit makes me a potential devil worshiping communist Russian double agent Nazi. YOU NEED TO FUCKING KILL YOURSELF NOW. End your worthless existence to help humanity begin to move forward you absolutely worthless pile of excrement. Your existence subtracts from the value of humanity significantly.

>>11300399
Do the human species as a whole a favor and step in front of a moving bus.

>>11300555
>>20 people in washington got indicted for some nebulous form of corruption therefore Trump is only president because of teh evul rooskies
Again, I reiterate: Kill Your Sorry Self.

>>11300576
Haha, oh yeah, I totally believe you're a "red blood American", the term is "red blooded", your English needs a bit of work.

>>11300589
Sorry snowflake, I base my view on reality and evidence, facts don't care about your feelings.

ITT retards who belive their vote and political ideas affect a centuries old political machine

>>11300601
The investigation is ongoing, we have multiple guilty verdicts from people that were part of the Trump campaign, and we have evidence that shows that those who hacked the DNC were Russian agents employed by the GRU. Neck yourself you delusional brainlet.

>>11300606
>Haha, oh yeah, I totally believe you're a "red blood American", the term is "red blooded", your English needs a bit of work.

This is bait at this point hahaha
Poe's Law indicates that this is impossible to really know for sure. But if you actually believe I am an devil worshiping communist Russian double agent Nazi spy. Which you just doubled down on btw. You doubled down on this. You didn't even deny you think this!!!

HAHAHAH!!!! All because you fucking wanted Hillary to win!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Devil Worshiping Communist Russian Double Agent Nazi Spy. We are a tricky bunch what with our psyops where we gas light you. STAY STRONG AMERICAN. HOLD STEADY YOUR BELIEF IN HILLARY!!

>>11300634
Why do you keep bringing up the Nazis? I never even said it once in any of my posts. Would you rather me refer to you as a Nazi? I mean, we both know you're Russian, but hey, everybody has their kinks.

>>11299197

England is pretty much the UK and Britain. Wales, N.I., and Scotland don't even matter in the world stage.

>>11295254
>TRUMP IS BETTER
>HILLARY IS BETTER
pls stop.

>>11300643
>Why do you keep bringing up the Nazis?

Why are you ignoring devil worshipers man? What the fuck is wrong with you? They command the power of Satan for fuck sakes man. We made the Nazis possible!! We made Russia just to prevent Hillerlord from cleansing the lands of toxic masculinity! Praise ISLAM!!! YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYA

>>11299901
Islam is evil? The jewish-backed media sure has done its job.

>>11300664
All religions that consider the outside to be worthless tend to have some moral issues. Just going to put that out there.

If your fucking book says "Everyone but us are chosen so you can do anything you want to the unchosen" tend to fit pretty well within this whole context HAHAHA

>>11300658
Shit dude, you're like really triggered.

>>11300694
>Shit dude, you're like really triggered.

Am I LIKE really triggered or am I actually triggered? Not sure. Here is the thing, retarded people tend to think explaining simple facts is a form of being triggered.

>>11300701
Nah dude, you're crying about your feelings and your unfounded conspiracy theories. I don't care about your feelings, and neither do the facts.

>>11300712
Not an argument.

>>11300721
It's hard to tell with dumbfuck Trump supporters, who is legitimately retarded and who is baiting. I'm just going to give you the benefit of a doubt and say you're baiting at this point.

>>11300730

>>11300736
Yeah you right, no point in arguing with people who have beliefs that aren't grounded in reality or empirical evidence.

>>11300730
>who is legitimately retarded and who is baiting.

Uh so far the arguments are
> If you don't believe in Hillary you are a devil worshiping communist Russian double agent Nazi.

> Religions that treats all outsiders like they are not really people with souls are totally not immoral. All you have to do is ignore that part of the book and its all cool.

> Hillary was totally going to win the election if it wasn't for devil worshiping communist Russian double agent Nazis.

I think this is roughly the thread so far right? I just want to cover my bases before I make a proper response to your concerns.

>>11300760
Your arguments are as follows:
>It doesn't matter that I'm Russian and that I'm trying to influence the electoral process of the United States

>Feelings are more important than facts, reality is fake news

>Just because I'm pissing and shitting myself out of rage doesn't mean that I'm triggered

Just checking if we're caught up to speed comrade.

>>11300755
>Yeah you right, no point in arguing with people who have beliefs that aren't grounded in reality or empirical evidence.

Oh one more question before I give my proper response. There is a word called principles. Have you ever read the definition of what principle is? I need to know this because it tugs at the thread of the entire debate.

Like if you think sexism is bad on principle then you would not be happy to see sexism done to anyone. But if you lack principles and you are thus not a moral person then sexism only matters based on situational things.

Do you value principles at all? Is that a word that sits well with your belief system? Is expecting people to be principled only something devil worshiping communist Russian double agent Nazis use as a gas lighting technique?

>>11300802
>>Feelings are more important than facts, reality is fake news

I need you to take something I said and extrapolate on how that point was not based on facts. For example Religion causes fairly extreme tribalism does it not?

You see as a principled person, hurting people is bad no matter what. But for someone like yourself you think that hurting people is ok provided its for good reasons.

Correct?

>>11300811
Mate, your beliefs aren't founded in reality, you unironically spouted that Hillary Clinton had Seth Rich killed with no evidence to back up that claim. The whole reason I'm saying your a Russian operative is because my claims have just as much validity as yours do. Fucking brainlet.

>>11300823
>Clinton had Seth Rich killed with no evidence to back up that claim.

He had to piss someone off am I right? He was gunned down in cold blood right?

>>11300821
Why are you talking yourself as a principled person? It's obvious to anybody who has read our conversation that you agree that pissing on children is a moral imperative.

>>11300835
Yeah, gunned down by some stupid fucking robber that probably didn't intend on killing the guy, robber got spooked and decided to run off instead of taking risks to say around the crime scene longer to get the wallet and shit he wanted from Rich in the first place. If you don't have any evidence to show that Clinton was the one that organized the killing of Seth Rich then you have no platform.

>>11300861
>who has read our conversation that you agree that pissing on children is a moral imperative.

Interesting.
So you do believe hurting people is ok as long as its for your agenda. So if you had a way to kill Trump and get away with it. Would you?

>>11298948
Trump loves Israel, anon. How do you think he ended up where he is?

>>11300890
So you aren't disputing the claim that you think that pissing on children is a moral imperative. Interesting. So if you had a child in front of you are you saying you would piss on it?

I'm going to push this assertion until you can provide evidence for you claim that Hillary Clinton had Seth Rich killed.

>>11300890
Retard.

>>11297948
this, 100%

>>11300945
If someone outs themselves as being a person of poor character or lacking principles then its a good idea to see where the lines are drawn. In this case, I didn't get a straight answer, only doging my question. Rather than say "I believe in principles" the debate shifted to deflection. "Oh well you also lack principles!"

This is the kind of person who thinks murdering Seth Rich would be a logical step to protecting Hillary if it was necessary.

>>11295254
This is a slide thread created by ShareBlue/Media Matters/David Hogg's meme team.
Sage and hide all slide threads, and remember that the left can't meme. They can only steal.
Note: false consensus, middle of the road attempts at humor, universal panning of Trump in the first 6-7 comments. Clear brigading, and clear evidence of you-know-who's work. Sage and hide.

>>11300978
Nope, I have good principles. You're the one saying that pissing on children is a moral imperative.

Also, you said that Hillary Clinton obviously had Seth Rich murdered, where's the evidence? If you don't need evidence to make your arguments, then I don't need to either.

>>11301002
>Nope, I have good principles.

WTF is good principles? EITHER FUCKING DO OR YOU DONT!!! WHAT THE FUCK IS GOOD? Like kinda ok mostly maybe then good with excellent on top? And you rate somewhere in the middle? Like WHAT THE FUCK???

I think this is kind of over. You seriously fucked up laughably at this point.

>>11300999
Peace this thread is shit. HAHAHAHA

>>11301018
Pfft, I fucked up? You're the one who says he wants to fuck kids. Take your loss like a man.

Also, while your at it, find some evidence to show that Hillary Clinton had Seth Rich killed. Good luck with that though.

>>11301029
E A S Y

>>11299344
Not great spelling but this

>>11295254
he has become the (arguably) most powerful man in the world. the position 90%+ of billionaires secretly dream of
no matter what his endgame was, no matter how he turned out financially (wouldn't have seriously altered his life if he was already a billionaire), he's a genius.

>>11301352
and a good businessman? he can no doubt thank his $$$ to become president so yeah, he used that money the best way he could

>>11297445
>implying

> implying voting matters and “globalists” didn’t win 100 years ago

>implying wealthy chess players haven’t run the world for centuries

>implying everything isn’t a dog and pony show to keep billions of people preoccupied with menial tasks

pro-tip: opt out of society and focus on leaving $ for your family so they’re a lot less enslaved to *any* system than the majority. maybe you’ll even make important friends in the process.

the absolute state of /biz/

zoomer 15 year old potheads know this shit. boomers (one myself) unironically forget this shit with age.

tl;dr pretending there’s a war on a thing that’s meant to prevent something that has already existed for centuries is the grandest larp.

Sergey Nazarov of Smartcontract.com has announced a partnership with the NSDAP of Nazi Germany.

Speaking at Blockchain week San Francisco, Sergey stated that together they will destroy the "International Jewish World Order".

>>11301431
cont.

>implying potus (who’s a pretty funny guy and a good cheerleader for western values) thinks he can (or actually wants to) stop pic related.

get “#woke” and whatnot.

>>11295597
can I ask you something? this is a real question, not a troll. I would like a real answer if at all possible. why is globalism wrong from your perspective?

>>11301452
cont. 3/3

buy eos. chinese whales own most of it but the same can probably be said of btc, eth, etc.

love it or hate it eos is the one true golden glowy boi for the next bull run. too much money and influential people involved.

hold eos long-term and don’t sell until everyone is delusional about crypto again.

>>11300521
>When people freaked out over devil worshippers and communists
sounds like the average trump supporter

>Money was never a big motivation for me, except as a way to keep score. The real excitement is playing the game!

He isn't really so into money, he just loves to play and be the best player. And he sure is the best player indeed.

>>11301472
wrong trump is the second best player, since he clearly didn't solve the ORACLE problem like our lord and savior /Sergey/

>>11301476
Oh sorry, forgot that. I actually just bought 1k linkies more. So comfy to have sergey and trump on my side.

>>11301452
Does this image have the Permanent Joint Board on Defence?

>>11299640
Crypto is the global rule you fucking retard.

>>11295254
this is true he has been losing money ever since he was born right up to his presidency. if you are a scumbag like trump the business opportunities presidency provides make it goddamn easy to finally start making mad bucks.

>>11301472
>and be the best player
not even in kindergarten monopoly he would be the best player. in fact a simple game of coloring the us flag was too hard for him.

>>11298446
Literally what... 10x ing 100 million is a lot lot harder than 10x ing $1,000...

>>11298446
he didn't 10x anything ever he always got more loans than assets and he was quiet proud of this. his philosophy was that more you owe to others (talking about ridiculous amounts) the more important you are. so basically he is constantly overleveraging on purpose.

>>11299108
The joke is that you think Puerto Ricans are people.