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Nano Heading for Disaster – Dirty Deals with BitGrail Anonymous Mon Sep 17 12:01:46 2018 No.11108682 [Reply] [Original]

Nano’s relationship with BitGrail, their main trading platform, was incestuous and dirty from the very beginning. However, after “Bomber”, CEO of BitGrail found out that his exchange had been hacked for 80% of their Nano assets in October 2017, close to 10% of total supply of Nano, the relationship between Nano devs and BitGrail became criminal.

BITGRAIL PROBLEMS KNOWN BY NANO DEV TEAM PRIOR TO BITGRAIL CRASH
>Insolvency of BitGrail and missing 10 million nano, discovered and made public by the Nano community [1][2]
>Missing transactions on BitGrail, discovered and made public by the Nano community [2][3]
>Single transactions replicated multiple times on BitGrail, discovered and made public by the Nano community [4][3][5][6].
>Millions of Nanos moving out from BitGrail, when the exchange was closed for withdrawals, discovered and made public by the Nano community [7].
>Withdrawals on BitGrail blocked for weeks due to alleged ‘maintenance’.
>Withdrawals on BitGrail blocked for weeks due to ‘KYC’ excuse [8] [9]. Hundreds of thousands remained unverified [10].
>Withdrawals on BitGrail blocked for weeks, due to alleged ‘pending withdrawals’, which were never processed [11].
>Nano withdrawals on BitGrail blocked for weeks due to node problems.
>Customer support ignores tickets - not just for days but for weeks [12]
>Bomber increasingly unhinged and psychotic. Insults his customers on social media for asking legitimate questions [12]. Nano community expressed concern to the Nano devs.

Anonymous Mon Sep 17 12:02:28 2018 No.11108691

>>11108682

NANO DEVS ILLEGAL & UNETHICAL ACTIVITIES PRE-BITGRAIL CRASH (1 of 2)
>Accounts connected to Nano devs moving around millions of Nano, do arbitrage between exchanges. [13][7][14].
>Accounts connected to Nano devs moving around millions of Nano move assets to safety. Just one of these accounts handled 50million USD [13][7][14][15].
>Insider trading on BitGrail done via accounts connected to Nano Devs. Traded tens of millions of dollars [15].
>Nano dev team used incestuous relationship with Bomber to get instant KYC verification [16], impossible for standard Nano investors.
>Ordinary Nano investors accounts blocked from doing arbitrage, moving assets to safety or doing insider trading, unlike Nano dev team. Stuck with coming 80% loss [17].
>Zack Shapiro (Nano dev): Everything under control. Just too much work with KYC. Not insolvent. (statement made 4 days before BitGrail insolvent) [18].
>Zack Shapiro: No reason to worry, BitGrail doing normal KYC, “scams don’t do that” [19]
>Zack Shapiro: “Yes, you can [trust BitGrail]. I talk to Bomber every day and he’s a good guy. We’ll get it all sorted next week. Just hang in there” [20] [21]
>Zack Shapiro: Confirms BitGrail is a serious business. “Opposite of an exit scam actually” [22]
>Zack Shapiro: BitGrail is “Legitimate. Complying with the laws of their contry” [23]
>Zack Shapiro: “Funds are safe on Bitgrail…Again, funds are safe” [24][25]
>Mica Busch (Nano dev): ‘‘funds are safe, [BitGrails] representative account does not show any suspicious activity’’ [26]
>Nano: “Be assured that your funds are safe” [27][28]

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 17 12:02:55 2018 No.11108697 >>11108682 nano the only coin that actually has good tech but got completely rammed by launch. never touching this shitcoin again. there is no incentive to push the price up since there are no miners to accumulate the supply.

Anonymous Mon Sep 17 12:03:29 2018 No.11108700

>>11108691

NANO DEVS ILLEGAL & UNETHICAL ACTIVITIES PRE-BITGRAIL CRASH (2 of 2)
>Person who discovered and exposed 50million USD account being connected to Nano Dev team, got later banned from Nano subreddit [13].
>Nano community member who discovered/reported that nearly all nano on BitGrail was missing, was forced to delete initial post titled; ‘10 Million XRB Possibly Missing XRB From BitGrail’ [2] and repost under different headline ‘I need some help with tracing funds’ [1].
>Nano team systematically deleted threads of investors’ concerns and the sharing of new information regarding BitGrail [4].
>Nano dev team confirmed knowing about all BitGrail problems, told investors to relax, and promised a thorough investigation [29][30][28]. ‘Developers are taking care of that’ [31].

Anonymous Mon Sep 17 12:04:31 2018 No.11108712

>>11108700

NANO DEVS ILLEGAL & UNETHICAL ACTIVITEIS POST-BIGRAIL CRASH
>Nano Dev team claimed to do all they could to investigate and find missing Nano. No update since. Nothing done. [32]
>Nano community did all the work, themselves researching/investigating. [33][34][35] [32][41].
>BitGrail victim group representative, Espen Enger met with Nano lawyer Josh Kleiman in Italy [36]. Details of the deal made with the Nano team is not made known to the BitGrail victims.
>After meeting between Enger and Kleiman all criticism of Nano Dev team became banned on BitGrail victim discord [37].
>Change in BitGrail victim group management. Protection of Nano Dev team and suddenly non BitGrail victims used as hostile mods on BitGrail victim group discord [38].
>Don’t be surprised if Enger gets millions, and/or cushy job at Nano when all this is over. As a big thank you from the shady Nano team.
>Multiple pending and coming lawsuits against Nano foundation and Nano team members. Outside the original BitGrail victim group, now Discord BitGrail/WebCoin Lawsuit [39][40].

Anonymous Mon Sep 17 12:05:43 2018 No.11108729

>>11108712

Footnotes to the above Nano -BitGrail Crash (and Nano dev team involvement) –1 of 2

[1] https://archive.is/8mMEU
[2] https://archive.is/LUN33
[3] https://archive.is/V30nG
[4] https://archive.is/pk03o
[5] https://prnt.sc/ilv1gl
[6] https://prnt.sc/ilv0p6
[7] https://archive.is/Wkgvn
[8] https://bitsonline.com/raiblocks-nano-bitgrail-epic-fail/
[9] https://archive.is/CKs1V
[10] https://imgur.com/a/rOn3Seb
[11] https://archive.is/RW944
[12] https://archive.is/DM6Nl
[13] https://archive.is/acLnr
[14] https://imgur.com/a/Owlui
[15] https://archive.is/pC3vC
[16] https://imgur.com/a/mJMhlx3
[17] http://archive.is/86eDr
[18] https://imgur.com/a/aFYpDyk
[19] https://imgur.com/a/KNg2src
[20] https://imgur.com/a/o8lIwDz

Anonymous Mon Sep 17 12:06:46 2018 No.11108741

>>11108729

Footnotes – part 2 of 2

[21] https://imgur.com/a/urpgzwv
[22] https://imgur.com/a/G7fgqWV
[23] https://imgur.com/a/4YcVEji
[24] https://imgur.com/a/IWP2thd
[25] https://imgur.com/a/rFV6BJy
[26] https://archive.is/bfd0Y
[27] https://imgur.com/a/ql0cjLP
[28] https://archive.is/dykfh
[29] https://i.imgur.com/ddzQlVw.jpg
[30] https://i.imgur.com/7xwM1Lx.jpg
[31] https://i.imgur.com/e8n7fWo.jpg
[32] https://archive.is/lTCkP
[33] https://archive.is/o1BmU
[34] https://archive.is/8Md3N
[35] https://archive.is/f4Q8E
[36] https://youtu.be/40aufi9oJno?t=10m16s
[37] https://imgur.com/a/gQmoQv0
[38] https://imgur.com/a/d8xG4QL
[39] https://archive.is/MbWv1
[40] Google: silvermillerlaw com 2018/04/2018-4-6-DE-1-CLASS-ACTION-COMPLAINT-1
[41] https://archive.is/0R8Qe

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 17 12:07:49 2018 No.11108755 File: 24 KB, 300x289, Zack Shapiro.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11108691 Zack Shapiro

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 17 12:08:51 2018 No.11108766 File: 241 KB, 700x700, Josh Kleiman.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11108712 Josh Kleiman

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 17 12:09:55 2018 No.11108773 File: 109 KB, 854x470, Espen Enger.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11108712 Espen Enger

Anonymous Mon Sep 17 12:16:12 2018 No.11108849
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>>11108682
FAGGOT thats what u get for leaving money in shady exchanges tf wrong with u!! I really hope that some of you bitgrail FUDDERS really DID commit suicide to weed out all you weak stupid people!! NANO DOESNT NEED U!! all u do is harming the price of nano and attacking the MAGNIFICENT NANO DEV TEAM!! FUCK U BITGRAIL BITCHES!!! STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM NANO!!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 17 12:19:25 2018 No.11108888 File: 137 KB, 1200x754, 1536086210119.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11108682 oh look is that nano fud thread again

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 17 12:31:41 2018 No.11109028 Damn, you put alot of time into this.....

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 17 12:36:15 2018 No.11109074 >>11109028 Looks more legit than the NANO team.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 17 13:03:35 2018 No.11109340 File: 50 KB, 447x456, 1536438183667.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11108682 ANSWER MY FUCKING QUESTION FAGGOT. HOW MUCH DID YOU LOSE?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 17 13:34:04 2018 No.11109654 File: 310 KB, 654x639, 1535612402628.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11108682 I could answer ALL UR FUD if I wanted to, but I DONT have any time to FUCKING WASTE ON U FUDDERS!!! I HAVE BETTER THINGS 2 DO!!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 17 13:47:19 2018 No.11109826 >>11108682 You haven't read anything, as you are just throwing around baseless fud without any proof.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 17 13:54:54 2018 No.11109907 OP your doing gods work. There is so much wrong with the team and the people around them. It's funny that only in the crypto world people who speak the truth get their mouth silenced by the bag holding community

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 17 13:55:17 2018 No.11109916 >>11108682 nice dip on it, just bought another extra few coins. even if that dude did some nasty shit. the tech is nice. it works well. and it's being adopted. so i really don't give much about this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 17 13:57:35 2018 No.11109936 I lost about 66k nano and 23 btc on bitgrail and unfortunately can confirm most of OP's points

Anonymous Mon Sep 17 14:14:45 2018 No.11110116 [DELETED]

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>>11108682
Please keep crying this pasta fud is getting funnier every day as nano leaves you and your shit coins in the dust. Actually being too retarded to spot a 95% dip , not buy it and then get autistically mad to the point of writing my angry projections onto the internet. LMFAO KEEP MISSING OUT BIZ LOL

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 17 14:21:07 2018 No.11110167 This loser is bumping his own threads with counter replies copied from other threads. This is a next level of autism. Get a life dude we moved on to the next Ponzi, but you are still fixated on this shitcoin.

Anonymous Mon Sep 17 14:22:45 2018 No.11110184

>>11109936
that's very sad.
a lot of people got burned there. but yeah basically, I didn't buy nano when it got shiilled here at $1 last year because ti was on this obscure exchange, guess I was right.

it doesn't mean that NANO tech is bad at all. it just had a nasty person involved.

im happy it happened so we get to buy at these prices, cause this shit will EXPLODE.

Anonymous Mon Sep 17 14:40:53 2018 No.11110369
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>>11108682
Please keep crying this pasta fud is getting funnier every day as nano leaves you and your shit coins in the dust. Actually being too retarded to spot a 95% dip , not buy it and then get autistically mad to the point of writing my angry projections onto the internet. LMFAO KEEP MISSING OUT BIZ LOL

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 17 14:43:21 2018 No.11110401 >>11110369 it's that same guy who keeps shitting on nano every single time. I don't really understands why he puts time to keep up with this.

Anonymous Mon Sep 17 14:59:38 2018 No.11110579
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>>11110401
I believe he is one of those losers from bitgrail that now suddenly hate nano and are super jealous of our new magnificent community without the bitter losers and they missed out on all our gains. sucks to be them. glad we kicked them out, they just dragged nano down.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 17 15:14:10 2018 No.11110761 >>11108888 >holy fucking quads of truth $100 before December

Anonymous Mon Sep 17 15:16:30 2018 No.11110791

>>11109907
what's hilarious is this thread has been posted the last two days and is a variation of a thread that has been posted many times over the last two months. surely, someone feels threatened by NANO, unless they are just alerting everyone on /biz/ out of the goodness of their heart. Keep FUDDING guys, it only makes me buy more.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 17 15:17:25 2018 No.11110799 Live together meekly Gain possessions justly Give what you have Associate with your peers Be courteous Die for your country Do a favor for a friend Shun evil Despise evil Respect yourself

Anonymous Mon Sep 17 15:27:24 2018 No.11110952
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Why would anyone listen to a brainlet who pretends to be an authority on things he's completely ignorant about in order to push an agenda? Go back to your hole fucking bitgrail bitches. Nano doesn't need u.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 17 15:47:35 2018 No.11111469 >>11108682 imagine being this autisticly butt flustered about an imaginary internet coin.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 17 15:49:36 2018 No.11111499 Oh it's you again

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 17 15:50:57 2018 No.11111521 >>11109936 >I lost about 66k nano and 23 btc on bitgrail I, too, always send $10 million to a small italian garage exchanges whose CEO goes by the name of "Bomber" and has in his twitter bio that he's a scammer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 17 15:58:23 2018 No.11111606 File: 469 KB, 1841x1862, 1537044722214.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >the screams of nano wojaks

Anonymous Mon Sep 17 16:01:32 2018 No.11111649

I just went through your footnotes.

I don't think you understand the point of footnotes, they are meant to refer to what you write in your statements. Your footnotes are just a bunch of random shit.

Fucking American probably has never submitted a research paper in his life.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 17 16:03:32 2018 No.11111674 File: 691 KB, 1027x871, footnote.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] One of OPs footnotes. Some actor's website from 1993.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 17 16:29:34 2018 No.11112092 >>11111649 You're lying. Give me your best 3 examples of the footnotes referenced, which you claim are >a bunch of random shit >never submitted a research paper in his life So what is your research field? Lesbian dance theory?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 17 16:33:10 2018 No.11112134 >>11110791 Lies and slander is all you have.

Anonymous Mon Sep 17 16:38:45 2018 No.11112220

>>11109907
nah, not exclusive to crypto. in 2007 people who were taking loans after loans for houses angrily snapped at the few who questioned the sustainability of the whole thing. same during the web boom, and the japan bubble (well, japs don't snap, but they shut you out just the same)
bubbles attract dumb people, and dumb people make investments with the belief it will go up forever. doubt is perceived as a personal attack, and rationality has no place. once the dumbasses are done losing their money, they won't find peace - instead, they'll refocus their anger to some mystical plot that explained this "unfair" outcome
remember, the dumb hate personal responsibility above all

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 17 17:04:06 2018 No.11112590 File: 261 KB, 500x333, Future of Nano Investors.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11108682 Tell that to the market faggot, stay out and stay poor. Oh yeah we are pumping again.

Anonymous Mon Sep 17 17:36:06 2018 No.11112959
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>>11108682
Thanks OP, strong buy signal. Just bought another 100K. Sucks to be a bitgrail loser as yoiu, while I am stacking up my heavy bags ready for the gains and I am comfy af!! The rest of the community can't fucking stand you bitgrail whiners. Hope all of you commit suicide so we can finally have some peace in the community and focus on our future massive gains.

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