/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>10697
>gamble
>get lucky
>don't lose

Three words: To the moon.

>to to casino
>put $7000 on black

if win
>put $14000 on black

else
>an hero

>>10705
You just described 95% of the western population. The only difference is they lose.

A nursing degree is only 2 years (associates) and associate degree's are cheap. You can probably get it paid for with grants as well.

>>10697
>take out a loan for college
>go to college
>keep the 7k for living expenses, work while in college
>get degree
>get job
>make money

>>10726
The game?

>>10752
I did this at a play casino at a friends birthday party growing up

I started with 1000 dollars of fake chips and at the end of the day I had 156k just from betting half my stack on black or red every game

>>10764
Congrats son, you just took the express route to mediocrity town. Now get comfortable.

>>10764
How do you live 2 to 4 years on 7k

Hard drugs.

>>10786
that's true, i forgot all the greats spent their money on gambling and ponzi schemes instead of getting a decent paying job and moving upwards

why don't you go back to the dogecoin thread

Buy peanuts

>>10799
>that's true, i forgot all the greats spent their money on gambling and ponzi schemes

So those are the only other options, huh?

>buy 3d printer
>make chibi figures to sell to the anime crowd
>make low quality but inexpensive figures for creepy otaku to spunk on
>loads emone

>>10808

at this point

>>10697
Buy an RV and start cooking meth.

>>10808
i don't know costanza, tell me how you did it

>>10776
How does that work? Wouldn't you just end up with 1k every time unless it landed off black and red in that one spot?

>>10697
grow pot in CO

>>10846
Not if you successively pick the correct color because your stack would increase by 50%.

>>10859
Ohh
For some reason I thought you mean half my stack on black and the other half on red every time
Reading comprehension derp

>>10697
$5,500 in BTC, $1,500 in Yuan is the ideal for you if you're putting it all on the line. Bitcoin is the future, long-term. Yuan is about to be the "now".

>>10859
Yeah it was this. I just got stupidly lucky.

>>10697
invest in litecoin

>>10903
You think LTC will exist in the future when China is 55% of the global market and its only legal digital currency is BTC? Stop trolling.

Invest in Sony stock

Buy a computer and make trap music

>>10931
how baauer

>>10879
>$5,500 in BTC

I'm an Ausfag and am curious about bitcoin but is there really still that much potential for growth? 5500 AUD is going to buy about 8 bitcoins. What sort of ROI are you looking at in 6 months?

>>10879

>Yuan
>Future

Yeah, no. China is due for some serious recession/increasing unemployment rates.

>>10921
Lel.

>>10949
>rip ableton live
>rip massive
>don't use massive
>find trap sample pack
>release on sc/utube/beatport
>profit
>profit

>>10697
I'm in the same position except I don't have a HS diploma or any other kind of formal education and I also do not have any money whatsoever sans the 90 USD in this box I'm holding.

I want to know how to make money.
I cannot get job because minimum wage is not enough to pay bills and support 5 people (3 elders and a child) and pay for the medical bills of a 70 year old with cancer, and a 67 year old with a tumor wrapped around her internal organs, and also no car to speak of.
I'm basically a homeless person with a house, what do I do about it?

>>10965
>don't use massive

>>10944

>Asking for investment advice on 4chan

I'm not a calculator, but its probably negative. Bitcoin is falling, and will continue to do so for a while, buy low, not mid-low.

>>10954
>bitter westerner
How's the service economy going?

>>10944
Bitcoin is cemented in global exchanges now and is experiencing massive speculation. I shouldn't need to mention more.

>>10726
What does this mean?

>>10697
engineering

>>10967
Kill your dependents if they have life insurance. If not, liquidate your assets and move to Asia.

>>11024
It sounds like he's already in Asia.

>>11033
Sounds like America to me.

>>10980

>Relying on low-skill manufacturing and a ridiculous rate of construction to pull your economy out of the third world
>Not realizing that labor costs are rising
>Not asking Mexico what happens next

>>11042
>5 person family
Only if he's a first or second generation immigrant.

>>11063
Or from the south.

Personal experience really, my subhuman cousins breed like rats.

>>11078
I might be biased since I live in Florida, but the spic:hick ratio for the south is probably about 1:1. Throw in the hispanics elsewhere and it's not so far off to say that anyone with a family that big is probably an immigrant.

Start a lawn mowing business, I know this may sound dumb.. but get a flatbed truck, some second hand equipment off CL or a garage sale, and get a friend to help out. Shit is going to be hot, long, tiring work. But if u can work up a regular clientele base and schedule for them - it will go great. It's a seasonal job so spring, summer is your operating period.
May want to do like garden tilling and shit like that. Then in the winter get a local government contract for snow plowing.
You can do it OP

>>11822
>mfw i started lawn mowing over the summer
>mfw i cleared around $300 a day in 5 or 6 hours
>mfw 300 * 5 = 1500
>mfw 1500 * 4 = $6000
>mfw 6000 * 12 = 72,000$
>mfw i was making around the same amount as a stem major without need for college

>>10967
You have a computer. Learn to program. Build a portfolio. Make some friends who programming. Start applying for jobs. They care more about proven ability than a piece of paper that indicates you may know some theory. Get job. Use your skills creatively on the side to make even more money.

>I can't get a job because minimum wage is not enough.

So you would rather not have any income than get insufficient income. Only in America.
Higher someone to take the old people to the doctor because you are too busy making money.

>>11857
How many houses per day? Was your clientele regulars or did u just walk around pushing a mower?
Probably could have did some shit in the spring too. Some people may not want their grass cut in April and May, but they are starting their gardens right? Maybe like lawn tilling so planting isn't so much hard labor, or planting itself also.
Then take that client base and do their houses for snow in the winter.
Tell me more about your day to day operations.
What went into it to make it work and what was shit you had to deal with on a day to day basis. Any funny stories?

I have found that holding two (or even three) part time gigs is way better than holding an actual job. As a student I worked in a shop on weekends and did tutoring for shitty rich high schoolers during the week. If you are clean cut, know your stuff, and a good teacher you can make serious dough tutoring. For upper level maths you can pull 80$ an hour.

You're going to need to hustle though and have some sort of proof besides your GPA of your ability.

>>11857
Holy shit, how many lawns per day were you mowing? Were you doing coke?

>>10746
Criteria for nursing will be increasing to 4-years before you obtain the associates (Thanks Obama). Pick something tech-related that will get you in the door at a good company, continue your education through the company; many companies will reimburse you for your education if you've shown the initiative to improve yourself for the sake of the company.

>>11875
Would it be wise to make a portfolio of personal projects, like games and custom Linux builds? Or would employers tell you to get that NEET shit out of their faces?

>>12021
Put community shit first and personal crap later.

>>11958

What are some good pointers to building up a tutoring clientele? I'm almost done with my math degree and want to try it out. People always tell me that I'm a good tutor, and I know enough about theoretical maths to know conceptual issues that come about when doing more basic stuff.

>>10697
>Old beater car: $2000
>Sawed off hunting shotgun and unreliable revolver: $900
>$1000 for crack shack
>$3000 in product
>work the corners every night.
>get lucky, don't get shot/jacked/mugged/busted
>?????
>PROFIT!

>>11934
me and my friend both had mowers and we could do about 8-12 lawns on a good day
>bigger lawns we charge more obviously

but an average lawn is about 20-25 USD
only about an hour of work, even less if your friends involved

april and may were good, but the best time was summer, when it was hot as hell and you could charge more, plus people always gave us free soda

my neighbour has a huge ass lawn and i mow it every now and again but not too often anymore. he pays like 150USD but that includes gardening work

we always hit regulars up every week, they are much more likely to buy your service if you do a good job.

if you want to make good money at lawn work, you can't be shy. you got to be really social, also, don't be sad if people say no, the more people around them who say yes the more likely they are.

if you want to clear a shit tone of houses, you need friends to help you

>funny stories
one time i helped a guy move into a house near by and he gave me a 12 pack of margaritas, parents said i couldn't drink under their roof so i downed it all right before i left, it was regrettable

> best advise tl;dr
be social
be broad, (doesn't have to be mowing, help people move, go on criegslist for odd jobs)
have friends

>>12064
I was thinking after that post, garden planting (they buy the flowers and shit they need with it), window cleaning, gutter cleaning, snow clearing, painting (inside or outside). I figure if you can get to some nice middle class neighborhoods where you can target lots of people in condensed areas (Them grid locked suburb towns) you can literally do the same blocks over and over again with repeat costumers with very little travel.

How is the business now? Whats your situation, still in school? Plan on making it an official business? I mean 75k is great money and you can cut labor costs with the use of illegal immigrants. Pablo will work for 15 dollars a day.

>>12292
that was when i lived in a uni town
parents moved and they took me with them because im poor as shit, i was saving up for college

>parents took money to help move again
>tfw im stuck with them
they're paying for first year of college though and will help me on my feet.

it all depends on where you live, if you live in a nice community with great landscaping and old grandma's

now because winter its shit.

>official business
no, truth be told i only did it for booze money
if only i did the math back then

mexicans are smarter than that, not much smarter but still smarter

>>12292
>Pablo will work for 15 dollars a day
and thats why immigration is bad, lowers the value of labor.

and its nice to see some long grass every now and then, short grass sucks shit and is not beautiful.

>>12370
it also increases entrepreneurship, competing businesses

>>10697
declare myself and entrepreneur

start a startup

we do web design and industrial side rotation

make a shitty geocities-tier site with the editor included with my GoDaddy domain

walk around my of office make-believing that i'm working hard

kill myself when my company fails

>>12396
>goto creigslist for cheap
>get hired
>???
profit

>>12408

>be outdone by a shitty mexican who went to community college and will create a website for $40 that looks akin to a 13 year old's myspace page.

>>12390
not really.
it just means that i'll be mowin that lawn for five dollars instead of twenty now.
theres reasons why the profit centered government wants to pretty much just open up the flood gates for foreigners.
cheap labor and a diluted, divided populace.

>>12351
How much money did they "borrow"?
So, you had little old frail women who couldn't handle any labor work themselves and made shit loads off them? FUCK YES, THATS THE AMERICAN DREAM.
What are you in college for and how much longer? You should really do the landscaping shit again. 72,000 in a summer is great work, thats the shit you read about billionaires how they start out and grow into international business'.

>>12370
and thats why immigration is bad, lowers the value of labor
Listen, Americans don't need to be cutting grass. We just need to be the ones overseeing it.

>>12408
the twist:

it's a position in my web design/industrial rotation company as an "administrative assistant" (you won't actually be a secretary, i just picked that title because it sounds cool)

>>12428
all of it, around 20,000
>first year college
>tfw credits didn't tranfer

speaking of immigrants

>tfw a mexican customers, who speak zero english, bother you at work and treat you like a retard for not speaking spanish

I started with less in the markets (5000) 3 years ago and now I am sitting on 418k. Sure it was through frontloading penny stocks, writing a few articles on seeking alpha, and getting lucky on holding long-dated ONXX 58 strike calls before its drug got approved the company was bought out by Amgen. But things can happen even with the smallest amounts of capital.

Everybody and their mother will tell you not to get involved with pennyshits, but if you know the right people and get out quickly, the gains for small accounts cant be beat

>>12056
If I had to condense it into as concise a package as possible:
1. Get some kind of "wow" achievement / (substantial experience will work in place of this if you can get it volunteering)
2. Advertise absolutely everywhere. Anywhere moms congregate. You need to really make the right sort of ad, if its a flyer make it stand out but seem professional. Post flyers, hustle in any way you can. Don't be afraid to go a few towns over when posting bills. They will come to you or your preferred neutral site more often than not.
3. Do a good job so people recommend you.
4. Make sure you put 110% into absolutely covering the rich areas. Rich parents have cash to burn and if you have something that can make you unique (see 1) in math , like a competition win, a special scholarship, a convincing lie nobody can validate or prove false, a research project, a certification, etc, then you will be able to command a high price.
5. If you are on good terms with any math teachers in the area, try to arrange something with them. Don't be afraid to offer kickbacks when you think it will work.

>>12448
So what did u do with the other 52k?
Could wear costume shirts that has what work you do listed and phone number. Maybe business cards.

>>12465
learn spanish then?

>>12474
i didn't work the whole year
only worked a few months

but i did print flyers

>>12479
not a spanish speaking particularly spanish-speaking area, in a country that doesn't speak spanish

and translating has nothing to do with the job

>>12484
I know that, But I'm saying to walk around in while working. Cheap T shirts that can fucked up/ruined without caring and people driving/walking by see your name and business.
My friend and I plan on doing it this summer, how much does equipment usually cost? Any good math models to work out costs and business models?

>>12479
>>12479
no shit?

not a particularly spanish-speaking area

in a country that doesn't speak spanish in the first place

and translating is not part of the job
not even a customer service guy
nothing about this even has customer service

>>12528
just a mower i got at a garage sale for about 50 bucks and gas, friend brought his.

never did a teeshirt thing
i handed out flyers with my phone number
math models

normal size lawn is about 20-30 USD
that should be your scale you should judge after that

i just went door to door

>>12578
I'd probably buy a work cellphone. Like one of them prepaid virgin mobiles (They got nice android ones).

Let me ask you this, what did you say when you knocked? I don't want to sound retarded.

>>12536
its a good skill to have though, especially as time goes on as they keep mixing the races of the world together to create one race for one planet, kinda like the stereotypical martians who always look the same.

All I need in my life is less than 5000 dollars to move to the US and start a life there.
I have some connections, but my plan is basically to apply for student visa and study something. I will have masters degree in a year here, but I need to stay there somehow until I find a job either with my degree I finished here in Europe or that one I'd have there.

I'd had to take some sort of community college course, I don't want to go another 5 years and study things. I'm 22.

>>12597
hey im the live down the street from here, i saw your lawn was a little tall, mind if i mow it for a small fee,

>no,
thanks maybe next time ( you will get this alot)

>yes ( thank you, :discuss price )

don't try this if your older than a college student anon.

>>12598
i know bro working on it

already speak 3 other languages that are apparently useless

>>12428
i don't think you're aware of what will happen when the populace of a country is pretty much watered down with a ton of other nationalities.
its bigger than just mowed lawns, but the better we get along with each other the better and be decent towards each other but lets say we have a whole mass of people in the country who feel strongly one way about something, but the people in charge don't like that, so instad they just water down the country pretty much and soon enough its not even the same country anymore and those people who were trying to solve the first problem now have to deal with a whole nother slew.

>>12651
spanish is really the main one you need right now if you're in the states.
if you live in europe, start learning some arab languages because thats what you're getting instead of mexicans, but the earth will be 'diversified' evenly in the end. and the diversity will end diversity and bring about a single human race to conquer the stars.

>>10697
I'm gonna start an International Entertainment Company and I'm gonna call it Prestige Worldwide.

>two scrypt coin mining rigs for $3000 each
>remaining $1000 to rent a cheap ass apartment and be able to pay for the first month's electricity bill

>make a stupid video with good production values
>apply adsense
>spend a shitload of money on views and viral marketing
>neet welfare
>repeat

>>10697
>$1000 AR-15 with extra magazines & ammo
>$1000 AR-15 with extra magazines & ammo
>$1000 AR-15 with extra magazines & ammo
>$1000 Body Armor with Interceptor Plates
>$1000 Body Armor with Interceptor Plates
>$1000 Body Armor with Interceptor Plates
>$200 Three Piece Business Suit
>$200 Three Piece Business Suit
>$200 Three Piece Business Suit
>$80 Combat Boots
>$80 Combat Boots
>$80 Combat Boots
>$25 Cheap Coveralls
>$25 Cheap Coveralls
>$25 Cheap Coveralls
>$20 Backpack
>$20 Backpack
>$20 Backpack
>$5 Scary Mask
>$5 Scary Mask
>$5 Scary Mask
>$3 Gloves
>$3 Gloves
>$3 Gloves
>$1 Two payphone calls to two trustworthy, desperate, combat-effective accomplices

Assemble & equip your three-man team after running reconnaissance on a high-traffic bank. Figure out multiple escape routes. Determine when largest pickup/dropoff of money via armored truck occurs. Arrive at the bank in a stolen car prior to hit time. When armored car security personnel park and dismount, storm armored car, shooting security personnel in the head. Dominate the scene with violence in action. While you take point, one of your friends provides close cover while the third provides overwatch. Grab as much money as you can, each taking turns to fill your backpacks. Get out in under sixty seconds in order to avoid police response. If police respond sooner than you can exit, exercise extreme violence in neutralizing police while making escape. If necessary, commandeer armored truck or other vehicles. If possible, take at least one lightweight, quiescent hostage. Evacuate with haste to another location nearby. Abandon stolen car. Strip off coveralls, masks, etc; your three-man team will now appear to be businessmen clad in three-piece suits. Nonchalantly enter restaurant, train station, other bank, or whatever location you determine would be best for blending and/or escape. Casually escape. Congratulations: you are now rich; lather, rinse & repeat until thoroughly jaded & wealthy.

>>10697
I would probably sell websites. There are some web developers that hire people to call businesses and hawk web-design skills. These pay $13/hour and you get 10-20% commission. Do this in the day, and do college in something certifiable (like Java).

>Buy Bitcoin for cheap pries
>Buy all the TopCoin
>Hype it for 2 weeks
>Coin goes from being worth 5 satoshi to 150-200 satoshi
>Cash out 90%
>With fortune make a coin for myself
>Make all pools with DDoS protection and 1-2% pool fee
>Remove all posts containing any pool I don't own
>Advertise no premine

1 year later and you are a millionaire.
You know what, I might just do this.

>>13601
Perfect.

>>13601
>saves
>dye packs
>60 sec isn't enough for a bank
>longer that 60 sec and you get caught
>if you escape with a hostage you will just create a shitstorm

How would you even launder the money anyway.

>keep constant eye out for big gigs/shows
>do this full time to keep ahead of the game totally
>constantly buy tickets for these gigs
>tout them online x2 price
>profit

>>10697
>no college degree
>around $15k in assets
>only $200 to my name

welp time to sell drugs

>>13601
I saw a (supposedly) tested guide on /b/ that said the exact opposite of that and was a lot cheaper. Wear a wig, sunglasses, and bulky work clothes, and hit a small bank. The most important part was to bring absolutely no weapons, since being caught with guns increases the penalty for being caught massively. You just give the teller a couple threatening notes, collect money, drive past dumpster to drop off top layer of clothes and wig, enjoy money.

>>12630
>All I need in my life is less than 5000 dollars to move to the US and start a life there.

People are lazy as shit over here. There is money to be had if you are willing to work smart and with a little effort. Don't rule out getting a work visa including that possibility will increase your chances.

>>15901
you're fucking retarded

>>16043
No he's not. Passing a note to the bank teller is a very common method for robbing banks. Tellers are trained to just hand over the money in the drawer, it's less dangerous than anything else.
http://www.bankersonline.com/articles/bhv12n12/bhv12n12a3.html
>Approximately 80 percent of bank robberies involve a lone robber who holds up a lone teller. The bank robber may hand the teller a note and may or may not display a weapon. The robber's goal is to appear simply as a customer conducting a transaction.

Also check this
http://banknotes.tumblr.com/
>inb4 cunts bitching about tumblr
It's a list of bank robbery notes, along with security cam photos of the robbery if it was release, and whether or not the person had been caught. It's quite amusing.

Seriously nigger, all I did was google "bank robbery note" and got a ton of stuff. You're a faggot for calling some else retarded for shit you don't know about.

>>16631
>posting tumblr
>actually telling people to rob a bank

I remember when trolling used to mean something

>you can't buy over a hundred shares

>>16651
Did I tell anyone to rob a bank? No.
>still bitching about tumblr

>>16631
that shit ain't worth the 5k they get for doing it

>>10697
I wish I fucking had $7k to begin with... I get decent money but life here is too expensive.

>>16631
That's pretty cool. The collection of notes I mean.

Kind of disturbing to see how many people get away with it with nothing but a hoodie and a sars mask. What would the gain from a bank robbery really be anyway? I mean, don't banks have 99% of serials on bills stored in some way, so if certain ones get taken, they can track them?

How would you possibly explain that kind of money just popping up? If you ever visit an establishment they would immediately notice if you're acting out of the ordinary.

Do people rob banks out of city/state often? Seems like that would be the only way to not get caught immediately after. But then again I don't know fuckall about robbing banks other than from vidja gaems

Off topic, is anyone else getting valentines captchas? I can't tell what to fucking type in, it's just one word.

grow & sell weed

>>10726
bravo anon, bravo

>>17743
Horrible advise in legal terms, not so much when it comes to economic terms.
But you have to treat it like a real business. You will need:

1.) A place to grow your weed. Is it safe enough? Close to your targeted audience?
2.) Enough assets to grow your weed. How are you gonna get the electricity necessary to grow your weed? Can you hide your illegal activities well?
3.) A network. You need reliable people to do your dirty work and you need to be able to trust them to not rat you out if they get caught and a big employee pool.

Only do this if you're desperate.

>>12059
this is honestly one of the better options i see here

>>10808
For most people, yes.

this board is testament to the fact that most of the people here are children

>>17926
How so?

>>17926
Ian, pls.

>>17886
You can obtain a legal growers license in pretty much any state that has medical marijuana.

>>17973
this
just grow pot
its so fucking easy to make money it is insane

>>14795
Only one problem, Topcoin will never be worth more than 10 satoshis.
EVER

>>17984
No, don't "just grow it" that's illegal shit-for-brains. Apply for a license.

>>17999
how do you make something that grows in nature illegal
don't you think there's just a teensy bit of hubris in that

>>12059
if you got the stones

you'd make bank

but I'm not about to go try that in the 9th ward

>>18007
I don't know, go ask los federales why they did it.

>>10977
this is a business board, part of business is investing. Doesn't seem off to post it here. YOu dont have to take advice to heart

Day trade penny stocks. A 1 cent price movement on a 30 cent stock that you own 20,000 shares of is $200.00. MJNA is really volatile, and I managed to make a few grand on it today.

>>18007
The difference between medicinal marijuana and "weed" is the substance that makes you high.
Medicinal marijuana still has the "positive" effects but it just doesn't get you high, it lacks the THC substance.
If you wanna grow weed you'll still need the (illegal) seeds and you'll get a hefty fine/prison time AND you'll lose your license if they randomly search your store.
You wouldn't be the first one to try this.

>>18153
Nah brah. Medicinal Marijuana totally gets you high as shit. Their are varieties of marijuana that provide the benefits without the psychoactive effects. These plants have high amounts of CBD which is more or less the anti thesis of THC.

In theory a healthy balance of the two is desirable.

>>18153
They sell medical marijuana of almost all strains idiot. Plenty of those strains contain tons of THC. And even ones with very little THC still get you really high, learn a bit about cannabinoids before spouting stupid advice.

Forex.

babypips.com to learn.

Learn to weld, you will always have work.

>>18153
>Medicinal marijuana still has the "positive" effects but it just doesn't get you high, it lacks the THC substance.

Not true at all. Some strains are being developed that focus mainly on the CDB (which gives you the heavy, drowsy, body high), rather than the THC (which is the more psychedelic element of marijuana), but there is still going to be some THC even in the heavy indica strains.

>>11875
Realistically, how long will it take me to learn marketable skills if I only know basic HTML (haven't gotten to CSS yet).

>>18107
if this can make you so much money, why dont more people do it?

>>18320
a few months

>>18430
>volatile

>>16631
>http://banknotes.tumblr.com/
Best one:
>4 other people in the bank are with me
>count out X amount of money in bills
>keep your hands and eyes in my sight
>print out a receipt
>act like this a normal transaction
>if we see you tell anyone else, hit a button, or give us a dye pack, things will go bad
>we are not afraid to kill
>everything will be okay if you cooperate
Obviously go in solo.

>>18320
Google No-Degree programmer. Look for people who have already done it. Follow what they did and maybe even email them to get advice.

>Go from broke to 50-80k salary in 5-9months.

Being willing to relocate will drastically improve job opportunities.

buy a truck
drive hard doing local jobs (not long haul no money there anymore)

>>20974
> (not long haul no money there anymore)
What happened?

>>20984
Walmart.

>>21019
also your spending time on the road competing with pill heads just to meet fuel costs