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>>10800570
nothing is decided yet. anything can happen between now and november.

>>10800570
Pic related reveals the future.

Jihan will probably give up.

Remember Bitconnect?

>>10800570
>what is going to happen with BCH?

will go forward, no matter what

CSW is pissing me off. Whether he's satoshi or not is irrelevant

>>10800604
Here is the thing. Assuming that is true what is BCH? Is it BCH or the fork that CSW creates?

>>10800666
See above Satan

>>10800716
And here is the split I was talking about.

>>10800800
>Which is BCash
>Total silence

CSW is giving Jihan so much shit on twitter, hilarious.

>>10801598
>The BCH civil war

>>10801781
shitcoin status eminently confirmed

I've been saying for a while that bcash will in historical terms be viewed as a failed attack on bitcoin.

>>10801887
Its really strange to see a lack of BCH shilling currently. Ever since the whole CSW thing the shill has died down and they don't really acknowledge these threads.

>>10801907
it's not strange at all. none of those threads were real supporters being enthusiastic. it was all astroturfing.

>>10801935
I'm aware of that it is just strange to have that simple confirmation of them all stopping at once and awaiting orders on how to shill it around the current situation.

>>10801961
Who do you think controls them? I assume it's either Roger or Jihan.

>>10801990
>>10801961
You guys are retarded, two morons talking to each other.

>>10802010
Lets settle this. So is it Jihan, Ver or CSW that pays you?

>>10801907
>>10801961
>>10802042

looks like Shareblue have an interest in crypto and decided to shill to hold the statusquo, eh? you're as insufferable as hillbots were in 2016. Enjoy your scalability and your overloaded mempool once BTC gets used like Satoshi intended.

Bitcoin CASH is Bitcoin.

>>10802087
I say again assuming BCH is Bitcoin which is the real Bitcoin cash?

Is it the CSW backed Bitcoin SV or the Jihan backed Bitcoin Cash?

>>10802087
ah yes the good old tactic or trying to flip everything into "hillary vs trump"
truly pathetic but if that's how you intend to get dumb ass rthedonald refugees to buy your shitcoin then go ahead

>>10802102
>>10802104

2 (You)'s within the minute, jesus christ. How much are you paid to defend BlockStreamCoin?

>>10802042
i know its adam back that pays you

wait, CSW wants to fork off of BCH? what the fuck? havent followed bitcoin drama for a few months. please do inform

>>10802141
Its a really simple question which I don't think you can answer. Assuming that you are correct and BCH is Bitcoin which is the real BCH? CSW backed or Jihan backed.

It is a supremely simple question which I don't think you are allowed to answer.

>>10802087
It's funny seeing the one or two poor souls who weren't paid at all, who are delusional enough to shill this rubbish on their own.

also is BTC still a trainwreck with lightning network hopelessly broken and a devteam too frightened to do anything about it?

>>10802179
>>10802159
Yeah. CSW wants to hard-fork BCH and is now attacking Jihan on twitter and yes BTC is still a clusterfuck and will always be.

>>10802186
but BCH is already practically a dead project... hard forking a dead project has that much less of a chance of surviving. what the fuck is he thinking?

>>10802197
also what would the hard fork change? ie what's the point of contention between him and jihan?
and if the two major mining blocs split up and each project only has one mining bloc behind it... um, this is retarded

>>10802197
>What the fuck is he thinking
Thus the thread. It is doubly a fucked situation because Jihan is kind of losing his mind about Bitmain being at such a loss after selling all their BTC for BCH when it was $900 and then lying about who was interested in their IPO.

There is just a storm of shit happening with BCH right now.

>>10802206
so why does csw want to fork

>>10802218
bevause he wants nchain in control and patents on everything whereas others don't

>>10802206
>10 posts by this ID

keep shilling against the real bitcoin. repent now, we might have some mercy towards non-believers.

>>10802203
csw want to scale up to 128mb while bitcoin abc want to screw around making little shit changes like core

>>10802203
>>10802206
Craig really is Satoshi. He was sent on a deepcover mission to remove bitmain from dominance.
Bcash was the dummy for crypto project mincemeat.

>>10802218
>o provide a clear BCH implementation choice for miners who support Bitcoin’s original vision, over implementations that seek to make unnecessary changes to the original Bitcoin protocol
>128MB blocks
And control naturally.

>>10802224
How strange of me posting in my own thread you act like an absolute kike and refuse to answer even simple questions like which BCH is the real BCH.

>>10802226
lol but he can hardly even fill a small fraction of the blocks they have now and its not the lack of block size that's preventing adoption. fucking deluded

>>10802243
lack of transactions currently has nothing to do with the future. there are applications and businesses that wont even bother with 32mb blocks because they would fill the network singlehandedly and then some.

There's going to be no hard fork you fucking buffoons, if anyone forks it'll be the sole french developer, a Bogdanoffs plant obviously

>>10802174
Which ever has the most mining consensus at the fork (jihan obviously) will be considered the "real" bitcoin by cashie logic. Even if csw is satoshi (he isnt) it is irrelevant because btc is governed by mining consensus not token holder ideals and that includes satoshi.

>>10802243
I can sort of see CSWs point, Jihan wants to add a bunch of eth style stuff and 1 minute blocks in the hope of turning BCH into some sort of ICO platform so he can exit scam his huge BCH bags. CSW just wants to follow the whitepaper as if it's a religious text with no changes ever, which is what most BCH supporters say they want.

>>10800570
Stop being a drama queen. Who cares? Maybe it's all a show to keep the uninitiated in the dark. You see disagreement on social media and wherever else, but I assure you things are going as planned.

CSW can't be beat. It's becoming a predictable market, almost. People don't like the idea of power, but he just can't be beat. If it splits, Satoshi's vision, I mean CSW's, will still win.

There is one easy way around this all and people don't realize or understand the actual agenda.

Hint: the block cap will be removed completely... sooner than you think. A lot sooner.

bcash jihan wants to go towards PoS
bcash craig wants to go to 128mb blocks

Nchain Announces Bitcoin SV: A New Bitcoin Cash Full Node Implementation

Further, the Nchain development team will still be focused on the Teranode project for the future scaling of BCH.

Nchain says the Teranode protocol will be an enterprise-level BCH full node implementation that plans to target terabyte+ block capacity.


https://news.bitcoin.com/nchain-plans-to-launch-a-bch-full-node-client-called-bitcoin-sv/

>>10802454
does ver align with craig or jihan?

>>10802468
I think he is currently shilling VeChain but he probably supports both.

>>10802476
is there a plan on how vechain would protect itself against miner attacks? splitting bcash and keeping it on SHA-256 is super risky
it's also why I think jihan wants to move towards PoS

no fork planned just some discussion among the different groups, unlike core with the dictator greg maxwell silencing any opposing views.

CSW is saying Jihan wants to shorten the block time to one minute to help his new project Wormhole and some other back and forth but like poster above only real opposition is from peter rizun

>>10802499
I don't know much about Vechain. But based on what I do know it is super centralized. There are 101 nodes which do all the mining and they are all companies. There isn't really a chance of a miner attack.

>>10802526
oh I confused vechain with nchain my bad

>>10802525
>no fork planned just some discussion among the different groups, unlike core with the dictator greg maxwell silencing any opposing views.
kek CSW is trying to scuttle the bitmain pre IPO funding deal, interesting "discussion".

Why would jihan want POS?

>>10802390

whats the deal with blacknet?

>>10802716
Jihan sells miners, why does he want pos? Is he retarded or just parroting what the Chinese leadership want?

Did anyone unironically expect a different outcome but shitfork bitting the dust again?

Noobs thought that big boy Jihan would play a major key, only to find out he's going down with the ship.

>>10802789
>Jihan sells miners, why does he want pos? Is he retarded or just parroting what the Chinese leadership want?
If he owns 10% of all bcash of course hes going to want PoS, if he had flipped BTC and moved to PoS he could probably get around 30% or more of all block rewards and fees for eternity while not incurring power or production costs that come with PoW.

>>10802716
jihan holds over 1 million bcash
he single handily has to waste his miners to secure this shitcoin and his 1 million bcash liability
it would be easier for him to control it through PoS while directing the rest of the miners to bitcoin

>>10802831
That dogshit is getting expensive to maintain.

Kek, the scammers and greedy faggots are taking care of each other.

Meanwhile, BTC strides onwards.

>>10800604

More people need to see this

>>10801935
>>10801907
>>10801887

Corecucks need gas. BCH threads are created regularly and mostly by Blockstream's pajeets in some vain attempt to scare people away when in reality it just brings Bitcoin (BCH) to the forefront of peoples thoughts, so hopefully a few retards on this forum posting in scamlink threads are instead more aware of the real Bitcoin, Bitcoin Cash.

Having said that, Bitcoin (BCH) bulls may be quiet but we're definitely still here, how the fuck could you not be bullish on the real Bitcoin.

>>10802087

BTC will never be used as intended. It had it's chance to increase the blocksize to reduce those fucking absurd fees and transaction times in December, they didn't do it and scared normie adoption away (obviously fucking on purpose, Blockstream want to kill Bitcoin, not ensure it's (((decentralization))))

Bitcoin Cash is quite literally the future of Bitcoin, it has been for over a year now.

>>10804183
>The real Bitcoin
Would that be Bitcoin(Bitcoin Cash) or Bitcoin(Bitcoin SV) that is the real Bitcoin?

>>10802869

BTC has literally done nothing since segshit, not a fucking thing.

>>10802831
I can't take people who call Bitcoin Cash by their kikestream master's propaganda plug seriously, you are either deluded or paid to shitpost about the real Bitcoin, Bitcoin Cash.

>>10804218

SV is a new client maintained by Nchain, it isn't a currency you fucking idiot.

>>10804183
this isn't rthedonald, spamming shitty memes won't fool anyone to buy your bags

>>10800604

>>10804231
It is a hard fork with 128MB blocks.

>>10804231
dear reddit jew, please fuck off back to beeeecash HQ

BCH is about to find out why a one-block difficulty adjustment is weak and retarded

>>10804183
>blockstream's pajeets
what the fuck do you call this?-
>>10800604

200k in feb

russians and chinese always fall back to their socialist oligarchic bullshit

blockchair dev
vitalik
jihan

all coming up with stupid ideas

and don't get me started on the french

>>10805596
when did the french come up with a brilliant idea?

>>10802197
What the hell are you smoking

CSW has been saying all along that PoS is only beneficial for wealthy rent seekers, and it sounds like Jihan is proving him right. It's also a rational from Jihan's perspective to try to achieve it, although I don't see how that wouldn't require its own hard fork. Bitmain's P&L must look like babby's dirty diaper right now.

Should i convert my bch to btc? This shit is getting ridiculous

Jihan wants total control.
By forking off every opponent and dumping for his chain, he's slowly gaining power.
How much Bitmain cash will that chink have once he dumps Bitcoin Craig? We know it'll be more than a million already. No wonder he wants to implement some sort of PoS into his chink coin.

>>10806085
>By forking off every opponent and dumping for his chain, he's slowly gaining power.
he's actually losing power

>>10806085
If CSW and possibly also Ver abandon BCH that leaves just Jihan, who now has a large stake in a project that in which he's the only major community figure. A project which no one is actually using, and which Jihan lacks the ability to drive adoption because he's an aspie awkward Chinese fellow. Let's not even get into the fact that he'll and by proxy the Chinese state governor will probably now control all the mining power. But if Jihan wants to switch to PoS that will be its own hard fork and will kill legacy BCH as well as this new shitcoin that Jihan will create.

>>10806055
And miss on Bitcoin SV airdrop? No way man!

Why am I seeing more discussion recently about adding transaction ordering to the consensus rules?

BTW as an aside it's unfortunate that the person backing the fork is CSW since he's such a toxic personality and fucking asshole. Are there any other people of lesser stature that would go song with the plan? Vin Armani used to like Craig until their falling out, Rizun hates him, EGS hates him. I don't think any 'serious' researchers can stand him. How can CSW possibly achieve adoption alone?

>>10800604
cringiest shit I’ve seen on here today thnx

>>10800570
If csw wins it's the end of bch

>>10802350
>Jihan wants to add a bunch of eth style stuff and 1 minute blocks in the hope of turning BCH into
...something that's actually adopted
Bch has no future as it is now. They have to either go the smart contract way, anonymous way, or both. Nobody needs a dumb currency coin.
The 10 minute block time is also way too long, 0conf requires trust in the miners to be safe

>>10800570
This is hilarious as fuck.

>>10806318
It's not even 10 minutes, it took 46 minutes for my transaction to be confirmed on BCH network. BTC took 50 minutes. If BCH thinks it can outcompete Bitcoin with 4 minutes faster confirmation they're deluded as fuck.
Not to mention that Jihan holds 5% of the BCH supply, I really can't think of a better reason to never touch this shit ever. Let BCH go to 0$ and let Bitmain go bankrupt. Fucking idiot that he is.

>>10806338
That 4 minutes is variance. Eth has pow and works with 14.7s block time, there's zero reason to keep 10 minutes

How come everyone was in favor of removing the 1mb limit years ago as opposed to now?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=946236.0

>>10806699
Wisdom and better understanding of how to scale a protocol.

>>10806699
>How come everyone was in favor of removing the 1mb limit years ago as opposed to now?
Less people around, easier to form consensus. Chinese miners destroyed initial plans for larger blocks because they wanted higher fees but claimed their internet was too slow for 1mb+. So they worked on segwit and other scaling options, then when Jihan realized segwit broke ASICboost and keeping the blocks small didn't end up making him money he chimped out and demanded all segwit work be halted and they increase block size for him. When he didn't instantly get his way the threats and network spam started, I think a large amount of resistance to larger blocks is because people didn't want to capitulate to Jihans threats, its like rewarding an animal for biting you. If bitmain is destroyed and made an example of you might see less objections to larger blocks, though it's unknown if it's even needed right now, the bulk of 2017 TX may have been Jihan spam.

>>10804183
Which "real bitcoin"? Craig cash or Jihan cash?

>>10806772
Interesting, thanks fren

>>10806772
Increasing block size limit as a scaling solution is retarded. It's not socially scalable, it will always be an attack vector that can be used to split the community.

Removing the limit altogether isn't feasible either as it opens the network to spam and boundless centralization.

A better solution is to increase the network's efficiency and maybe at some point come up with a dynamic block limit everyone can agree to fork into *once*.

>>10806819
There are neither, just Bitcoin. There won't be a major split like last time.

ALSO all this nonsense about them changing to POS and the blocktime is PURE fucking LIES but throw all your money on the wrong horse (BTC) all you like

>bcash late adopters crying about a split
oh the irony

>>10806990
>ALSO all this nonsense about them changing to POS and the blocktime is PURE fucking LIES
what is this though?

>>10800628
This. Hes a jerk but not dumb. He knows when to pull away.

>>10800628
Prescient. What haooens when you show your hand to the public wh?

Give up your mother if you want to give up

>>10808275
>currency is all about trust
Trust in a trustless system. What a brainlet

>>10808826
You're still trusting miners not to collude. The pressure against them colluding is that if people realized they were colluding it would destroy trust in Bitcoin and therefore their entire business.

Oh look, it's another Bitcoin Cash thread where a bunch of idiots who have no idea what they're talking about jerk each other off in a celebration of ignorance and misinformation.
Never before in human history has so much been said about something that so few people actually understand. The end of this year is going to be interesting to say the least.