/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>10718506
>I bought Cisco before call
It's all coming back now

first for $MU is a piece of shit

First for me am foot slut

Hey, anons, i'm starting to study the stock market right now and i would like to know if low risk would be the best way to have a good profit. It is possible to live by it with time?

First for HMNY

Who else /gamblingonNVDA/?

ooooooo

Larry's a faggot for not linking the new thread in the old thread.

How do I stock fiddling around with my holds to 'improve' my position?
It never goes well.

>>10718710
>stock
stop

>>10718710
Me also wonder how stop fiddling with me holes @_@

>>10718704
this

>>10718626
>Western shit

Are we ready to leave 2840 behind for good yet?

>>10718704
Yup

>>10718626
first for angry chokfucking and impregnating this ignorant slut (unless she is a guy)

>>10718767
>>10718751
>>10718704
i will never link the new thread in the old thread you losers

AMD finally going down for good until next ER
Intel marketing on new GPU going to waste them
and the best part is the GPU isn't even coming out until 2020

>>10718781
Then never make the thread again.

>>10718781
fuck off then

>>10718699
Such gambling, much risk

>>10718781
Kys you retarded MU bagholder.

>>10718765
nah
imo, were still in buy the dip, sell the rip sideways hell. at least until volume comes back

short vol is a trade tho imo
the low volume should lend itself very well to vol getting extremely low

>>10718781
then you will make a lot of ded breads retard
we need it for cataloging purposes so that people can easily scroll through the breads if they missed em

SPXL to 55
FNGU to 70

>>10718804
>MU bagholder
this is a very good curse

>>10718806
kys whitey

>>10718781
Newfag

YESSS ME JUST MADE REAL MONEY YAYAYA

NO MORE KNEEPADS FOR ME

*Beetho's syn 3 plays in background *

wheres all those people talking shit on ODP at 2.40?

>>10718860
cry more white incel fgt

>>10718861
Congrats, do we get juicy details or do we have to guess.

>>10718839
>arrogant
>indignant
>incapable of accepting criticism
>retarded
>also a nigger
checks out
good luck to you in your adventures in the stock market larry

>complain to boomer that pez isnt gonna make fnko go up and that it keeps diving and its time to sell while i can still make 123% profit
>"anon you just need to look at your stock weekly"
>ask what they invest in
>see that everything they invested in is in the red
Also in case lunch bro is wondering this is what i had for lunch

CMCM getting some traction

>>10718923
>also a nigger
i am asian you retard
just because someone not white doesnt mean he is black

>>10718938
couldve fooled me

>>10718938
No self respecting Asian would type so poorly. Your father would commit horrible sudkou.

>>10718926
Nice, I think today is pasta or salad. I'll probably get the salad though because I was planning on spaghetti for dinner.

CAT isn't red for me anymore!

>no (you)

I'm boycotting this thread, Larry is a massive doo doo head with a fetish for penises in his butt hole.

>>10718938
probably a crappy type of asian, like Malaysian

Why do asians have small cocks

>>10718987
Good riddance.

>>10718994
So we can fit more in your mum's ass wanker
TORA TORA TORA

>>10718987
parallel threads day?

where can I learn to make plays on metals like gold and silver
I wanna shit all over goldbugs

>>10719002
I wish all these tripfags would go tbqh

>>10718987
this

this is now a race realism thread

does anyone have any stats on how successful various races are at investing?

>>10719013
>I wish all these tripfags would go tbqh
how does it feel to want?

>>10718893
Jokes on you I’m a le 56%

>>10719018
probably looks something like this

Based fucking DOW

>>10718889
I'm just wondering why it too them so fucking long to innovate being like an actual office. Onsite printing and tech support should've been a no-brainer for a place that called itself Office Depot.
LCI still sucks btw

>>10719013
I already filtered 95% of them. Sadly, most of the thread is hidden now. This place has become reddit incarnate thanks to tripfags.

>>10719013
just use 4chanx and make everyone anonymous

This is getting ridiculous, the EMs are plunging, China entered bear market of over -20% since the beginning of the year, and as such we have a remake of summer 2015, and yet this time the fucking US are still mooning. How the fuck.

WHICH ONE OF YOU FUCKING NIGGERS TOLD ME TO SHOIRT ???????????????

>HEAR

>>10719106
>listening to IQ 89 permabears
You only have yourself to blame.

>>10719012
yea
watch this stuff w futures COT
https://www.barchart.com/futures/commitment-of-traders

then watch put/call OI and IV on the ETFs
and remember that the dollar is king

>>10719068
lol

>>10719105
where did you think all that panicking money was gonna go?

>>10719106
lol
not me. told yall that the dollar spike ended around 2PM yesterday an it was time to long
prolly baggy
dont listen to him unless hes fucked up desu senpai

>>10719080
>LCI still sucks btw
just gotta give it time short interest 55% short ratio 25.. long squeeze if bulls can hold

>>10719105
Because America is in a golden age and Based Trump is bringing industry back

YOU SAID BLACK THURSDAY

>>10719127
I ain't fucking selling

Awww I hate green days just crash already pls

>>10719123
>where did you think all that panicking money was gonna go?
Well, of course, but that's a tad too easy. I mean, when everything is right, money flows into the US, and when everything looks bad, money still flow in the US. So what, market corrections will never happen, and never happened before? When one observe such madness, a bubble is never too far off

>>10719143
me neither.. the other day there was a .15 spread for like the first 30min of trading. whoever has been shorting it for so long is running out of tricks the stops aren't getting hit like before

>>10718929

no one cares

Buy MARA if you want to make money.

>tfw I got rid of FNKO before the hemorrhaging

>>10719158
what are you talking about... There was a big correction in 2014-2015

>>10719170
i forget this isn't the thread to talk about stocks

>>10719195

Correct, this is a shitposting thread

>>10719185
That's what I said in my previous post. We have the exact same ingredients as back then (China going under, EMs plunging, Commodities plunging), and yet today everything is okay? Well, the only thing that's different is Oil, I'll admit, it's faring better than in 2015.

>>10719202
well you sure are making that clear

Well the BOXL army got us to 5.89 from the 3.89 call if you made close to 2 bucks a share I am proud of you. I personally freaked at 5.49.

Now its crashing like a BITCH. So if you want to get in now and risk the ER then you are getting a really good price on BOXL.

>>10719152
is the big brain play just to start shorting everything right after trump leaves office?

>>10719068
I like how the edit history shows "Jewish American" being removed entirely
>the goyim will know

>>10719219
I made 1.80 and cut and run.

>>10719217
there was uncertainty back then alongside new news of rising rates, opec, and some other stuff
now there is no uncertainty, we are just making up for lost time

>>10719135
YOURE RETARDED LAD

make your own decisions

>>10719158
yes we have the world by the balls because the dollar rules everything
yes market corrections/bubbles happen, but they happen for different reasons every time.
i am longterm/macro bear, but its not yet.
were going sideways some more
learn to trade it

our FED has raised rates, and our nubers are good enough to keep us up
europe hasnt had that luxury, and w EM currencies exploding daily, now is not the time for putting your money outside the US. so money WILL flow into here

eventually i have no doubt that corporate debt will implode and we will be in a situation thats very ugly, but its not now m8

the secret to being a good shortseller is patience

>>10719183
>tfw i was gonna sell it at $22 and make a $1000+
>"no anon dont sell it they aquired pez"
>person keeps telling me it will hit $24 and doesn't let me sell it
>look today
>it's at $19.50
>is only gonna make $700
>mfw a fucking boomer stopped my Colombia trip this year

>>10719175
>MARA
>buying into a patent buying company
>those stats
>getting a letter from the NASDAQ about possible delisting if they don't get their ass in gear
nuh uh nigga

speaking of which, i see a good scalp on the S&P rn senpaitachi

>>10719195
>all those Chinese in the company
nope, nope, nopenoepnoepnoepNOPE

>>10719270
scratch that
wait for the next resistance level

>>10719175
Explain

>>10719294
somethings going on with it.. check the o/s compared to the float... them chinese are holding out for something big....

>>10719223
Depends on whose President, and which party. If democrat, short everything.

>>10719262
This is why I like machines. Don't get in my way just let me do it no matter how dumb it might seem.

any decent boomer stocks on sale today?
(besides STZ)

>>10719218

>>10719305
Don't step in front of Trend. The market will eventually show signs of weakness again, wait for that, then go for it, i.e. not today.

>>10719326
might short everything but tech and healthcare depending on midterms
this may backfire horribly

>>10719313
still not touching that m8 the moment I see Beijing I'm 180 degrees outta the room

>>10719152
lol
did you miss the whole last week?
we had a blast shorting everything and turd world countries
but now it goes up

dont tell me youre another one of these l8 bears?
disgusting

>>10719366
no i just meant as a ITM scalp for like 20-30 pts and tight trailing stops
i like doing that when i already have a VIX short going.

your prolly right tho that the low volume pump will just continue all day more or less

>>10719368
There's still 6 years of Trump though
don't drink the koolaid from the MSM
they never been right
and don't forget this happened

>>10719380
yeah.. i understand.. i have a friend thats a big pussy aswell and he explains to me all the time why he's a big pussy. kind of like how you just did

Holy shit I have to be the dumbest fuck of all time

Meant to buy spy calls

Accidentally buy tqqq calls

Lose $600 on a Green Day

Jesus fucking motherfucking Christ almighty goddamnit

>he fell for the trade war meme

>he fell for the crash meme

It's time for the Lunchtime Checkup!

What're you eating how're you doing?

I'm having a pesto grilled chicken salad today, been feeling good all week and I want to keep that rolling. I'm down -2% because of my TLT call getting shit canned but all my stocks are green as fuck so I'm not worried. CAT and WU had a nice recovery.

>>10719410
BASED

>>10719402
time to walk away
have a drink

>>10719407
>>10719410

>>10719401
don't trust China

>>10719418
Ooh them radishes! Coffee and kratom, this is gonna be a good day!

>>10719407
>>10719410
WOW!

The euphoria is here.
Gonna buy VIX calls.

>>10719402
LOL that fucking Sucks, sorry

>>10719418
Based

>>10719162
whats your sell price?

>when you forget to set a limit sell

>>10719490

>>10719418
Funeral at work today so the old ladies are giving me BBQ.

>>10719490
I mistyped my limit and bought at ask earlier today.
Felt bad.

So long JCP and thanks for all the shoes.

Greenday

>>10719510
F

THREADLY REMINDER THAT DIVIDENDS ARE YOUR FREN

also, is this a bull trap or is DOW gonna moon for the next decade?

>>10719459
lol
you dont have a clue why we pulled back yesterday, do you?
also
low volume pump =/= euphoria

just give yourself some time on the calls lad
and save some powder on the side to avg in
this low volume shit is NOT very conducive to long vol

>>10719519
BULLISH

>>10719525
DOW 1 MILLION

>>10719407
>>10719410
either phone poster samefag or hivemind

>>10719525

>>10719510
Old malls should be turned into Amazon distribution centers. I’ll call Jeff later and let him know.

>>10719535

BULL TRAP

>>10719525
>is this a bull trap
no
>is DOW gonna moon for the next decade?
no

next questions

>>10719565
>no
not so fast
The DOW will moon in 10 years, thats a long time

>>10719561
Not a bad idea. Let us know what Jeff thinks.

>>10719532
Who made you the king of VIX?
I bought the yesterday's dip but this whole rebound feels wrong. The permabears are getting to me.
What is the penis index saying? I'm on the phone and can't be fucked to squint at charts rn.

>>10719560
DOW 40K BY 2025 CONFIRMED

>>10718689
Save us Bruce Willis

>>10719611
Permabears have been and will always be wrong except for random 2 year periods that are not predictable

Hey guys

anything good on the casino this week?

>>10719629
If you use the DOD (dow total return index), you should be getting 10x that amount

>>10718644
Not low risk. Low risk low reward. Get over the fear of losing money, take some risks and then you'll make serious money. Also look I into $10,000 compounded.

>>10719630
Shalom aleichem

When is the Kroger moon mission?

CCN: Cryptocurrency Startup Swarm Is Selling Tokens Backed by Robinhood Shares.
https://www.ccn.com/cryptocurrency-startup-swarm-tokenizes-robinhood-equity/

TB releasing new headsets, $40 when?

>tfw your promotion gives you bonus at the end of each month
>tfw i'll have another $18K - $30K to invest in dividend stocks every year for the next decade
>tfw I will reach my goal of retirement by 50

who else going to retire early and live off working 20 hours per week for starbucks for their healthcare and stock options?

>>10719647

Zoe's Kitchen ($ZOES)

>>10719685
>decade
meant next decade and a half

>>10719525
>>10719685

>being satisfied with sub 10% yearly gains
No thanks senpai. I'd rather sell monthly covered calls.

Almost breakeven on Newell

>>10719611
>Who made you the king of VIX?
im merely a servant to the VIX
an agent of fear

the permabears are retarded
im a bear, but im patient
EMs are still in a sticky situation, but the only reason we were affected yesterday was because of a mad rush to buy USD. the dollar ended negative on the day yesterday tho, and since that was the only problem, were back where we were on tuesdays close

if you wanna short something look at EEM, or specific country ETFs. they will continue to struggle if our dollar stays this strong
another good short is pretty much any metals, just wait for your entry desu. never FOMO into short positions

as for long VIX, you kinda missed it imo
there will be another one, but likely not as big. the tides moving out now. another wave will come, but for a VIX spike like the last few days, we need volume, and there isnt any cuz everyones on vacation

>>10719660
>requires you to have a customer card
these chains are all going to be extinct soon

>>10719747
I sold my NWL and took profits on it. It was only around $80, but fuck it.

props to anyone to who took me up on my short strangle suggestion yesterday on NTAP.

>forgot to follow market
>check, expecting at least -200 if not -300 or worse
>+42382385235
STOP BEING ILLOGICAL

is it ever gonna fill?

AMAT short strangle Sep 21 @ 43/52.5 for $1.02cr
Expiration play with duration added to mitigate risk

>>10719727
my dividend income is 100% passive with a DRIP (minus increasing my positions)

you have to work, research and daily to get $5000 in 5 months. You have other sources of income?

>>10719782
gonna hold to around 24, and buy more at 19.50

>>10719727
Pick the right stocks and you can get steady capital appreciation, dividends, and premiums for selling calls. You can have it all senpai.

>>10719685
I got 350,000$ in cash and 140k in a 401k and i want to be able to reliably retire at like 50, what do

>mfw I panic sell those tqqq calls for .05 less than I paid then they go back up while spy moons

>just pick the right stocks bro

>>10719853
you have more than enough to retire early if you make a dividend portfolio or buy a total return index

Lunchtime lull

Bidu ready for a turn around?

>>10719853
How old are you now and how much effort are you willing to put into managing your investments?

>tfw your orders will never get filled up

>>10719853
Put half of it into SPY, half into div stocks. One anon shared this pic and it's a pretty good allotment of div stocks. Your goal for retirement is to have a nest egg of spy that you don't touch for years and a stable of dividends you could live off of. This will require a fair amount of capital. So you would probably sell the spy near retirement and go all in on an expanded div portfolio. Don't just stick to these stocks for divs. Diversification is good and you don't want to buy anything that is going to go bellyup.

>>10719437
jokes on you my Chinese stocks are going up. the Chinese market is too big to ignore.

>>10719634
i disagree

we can clearly see that we are coming to the end of a credit cycle
that will cause a lot of pain to high debt corporations that cant into financing themselves
the FED tightening should increase the bear market for junk debt, and we will see some corporations with absolute garbage credit falter

i dont expect this to outright crash everything, but its definitely worth a large correction

>>10719794
Maybe if lightning strikes the NYSE at the same time someone places a market sell and the whole system glitches then yeah.

>>10719853
put 350K in cash in solid, dividend producing stocks, with about 10% going to bonds.

Do you also have an income? If so, invest as much as possible. Once you start getting compounding income from dividends it snowballs into a glorious money machine.

Or you can just put it all on some scam coin but leave $500 to buy a gun and a bullet.

>>10719835
It's doable but you have to be extremely disciplined with every trade. If you get cocky, greedy, or fearful literally just once you can knock out like 80% of your portfolio in one blow.

>resistance whenever a short EMA crosses a long EMO

Spicy
we almost completely over 233

>>10719951
Bonds are trash. 10% spy is better than any percentage of bonds. Bonds underperform on every measure. They had a time when they were good but they are dead weight now.

>>10719924
also if you're buying common stock for dividends, selling covered calls is a good way to generate even more income

You want to see some retarded options look at TLRY, good lord.

>>10719980
the meme cloud indicator necessary?

>>10720000
Right, but you need to learn options first and should wait till you have a fairly established portfolio. If I were this guy's advisor I'd rather he learns one part of the market first and play it ultra safe, then when he has a better understanding you can bring in covered calls.

>>10720000
CHECKED THESE DANK QUADS

Listen to this man. Literally buy LB get your 7.5% dividends and sell covered calls which will almost never execute, you'll get 10% guaranteed money.

>>10719835
Not yet just a poor grad student for now, but I've learned how to properly risk manage after these few months. I don't do intraday trading too much that took too much time away from my research. I mostly just swing trade long term options contracts with 10-20% of my portfolio.

>>10719851
Very true. I've been selling some biotech calls for a while each month at 15-20% premiums. It moooned recently so I'll get assigned but that only means I'm forced to lock in profits. Dividends are good once you're old and retired I suppose, but trading is part of the thrill so why stop

>>10720007
it helps for spooky look

Oh god now that me am in higher tax bracket me have worry about taxes
Jesse christ leveraged ETFS aren't taxed like normal ETFS

;_; this am bs

>>10719995
high interest savings account? i'm thinking always having something thats absolutely guaranteed earning a little bit each year

>>10720056

BBBRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPP

>>10720050
godspeed anon, we're all gonna make it

>>10720056
Hey again

>>10719995
longterm HODLing and not holding some bonds is a terrible idea senpai
safe treasuries are worth their weight i gold during a crash

>keep having to delay client meeting because still in position

not sure if mad

>>10720007
Guppies am probably the best way for at a glance checking momentum

Imo he should roll the fibb ibto the guppy color scheme though

>>10718526
I’ve been long Cisco since 2011
STALWART
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>>10720075
Depressed anime wagie girl am not for braps!
T/n: she saying "me not want to go work today"

>>10720095
@_@ hello

>>10720130
For some reason me have Cisco in portfolio too
Am not remember buying it, but apparently me have received nearly $1 in divs from then

>>10720056
>work hard trading everyday
>Reluctant gets 3 years worth of gains for free
you better buy my future merchandise

>>10720112
Gold isn't worth it's weight in gold. But you do have a fair point. But I'd argue that unless the crash happens in the same time frame he wants to retire then it shouldn't matter. I'd have to find the actual data but I know people with more time spent studying bonds have said they aren't worth it, but then again a lot of people say the opposite. I personally hold we are in a bond bear market. Something something change my mind.

>>10720158
Such am the life of small specs :P
Not worry me will convince the boys at firm to underwrite you !

>>10720154
It’s actually more but whatever

>>10720158
ratsu WHEN

>>10720198
How much did you make?

>>10718689
>>10719630
>>10719659
HMNY is so fucked, you kiddies better put yourselves to bed before you get cucked by the bed bugs.

>>10720207
finally near completion

https://ratsuchan.wordpress.com/
please bookmark this page incase I get bann, it will be uploaded there

>>10719770
this guy is alright

but anytime vix hits 16, i shop puts... market cant sustain +-1% moves everyday.

also EZA shorts ftw

>>10720207
I have Ratsu chan now don't do anything stupid or she gets it >:)

>>10720237
FUCK YES!

>>10718926
>low_budget_ramen.jpg

ZUCK'd

>>10720230
I only have 70 bucks in HMNY.

>>10720265
>ahhh ratsu-chan, or some say, ratsum... do you hear our prayers?

>>10720265
NO

Long BILI

>>10720283
Plan I wish I had thought of earlier. Buy HMNY. Convince idiots on Twitter and Facebook that HMNY will make them rich, but the best way to get rich is buying calls, long ones. Sell covered calls on HMNY. Profit?

>>10720295
Fuck you. China is trash.

>>10720056
you deserve it

getting free handouts like a hillary fan

>>10720121
>Imo he should roll the fibb ibto the guppy color scheme though
yesterdays nap turned into sleep for the night

>>10720216
$200!!!!!!!!!!
Me wasn't even @ computer too, was at physical therapy, had pre placed buy and sell orders kek

>>10720205
Me hope Amazon no kill Cisco

>>10720265
NUUUUUU YOU SICK BASTARDDDDDD

>>10720295
BILI sucks and the CHINK that shilled it here everyday has been doing so since the peak, very suspicious

TFW BAGHOLDING

>>10720174
the idea is that if one part of your port crashes, the other will moon

if you arent hedging relentlessly for your long term 10+yr port, youre doing it wrong lad
>I know people with more time spent studying bonds have said they aren't worth it
yea, cuz FED crushed yield.
now theyre raising rates, and since we can handle it, they plan on raising rates more.
long bond yields will get a huge (relative) boost. so will most fixed income. look at whats happened to bond yields in the past few years. were only at 2% rn. FED is at least raising it 2 more times, and in my opinion, the yields have some catching up to do. i think at some point well get a yield blow out, and that will be a time to buy a bunch of bonds on credit and just pay interest with it so you have an infinite credit farming glitch

>>10720292

>>10719924
why do people recommend divvy holdings when they get into retirement ages and not before? Whats better about lower annual returns from dividends compared to letting your portfolio gain market returns each year? Is it simply the fear of a 'down' year which doesnt raelly happen with dividends? Just a lower risk profile since you dont really need to grow much anymore to be secure?

>>10720378
TAXES

>>10720283
Go big or go home kiddie, just don't blow your wad on garbage like HMNY.

>>10720265
seriously what the fuck are you doing with that rat anon

>>10720354
Solid argument, but wouldn't it make more sense to buy bonds later than now in that case? I keep checking to see if seems like a good investment every few weeks and I'm just not sold yet.

>>10720378
The idea is that it's a lower risk profile but also this way you aren't selling off your portfolio to eat. Also taxes.

>>10720378
The dividends provide you with stable income. That's much better than having to sell chunks of your portfolio every month.

>>10720304
>China is trash.

I trust Warren Buffett then some hmny investor when it comes to china. Warren Bufffett is very bullish on china long term.

HELP

>BA

>>10720430
Warren Buffet would tell you to drop your chink stocks and long America
you are literally quoting him from 2014

>>10720253
>this guy is alright
t-thanks d-dad

>also EZA shorts ftw
i covered mine yesterday once i saw the dollar turn desu
thought it would bounce like turkey did
nope. prolly gonna re-enter soon. but cant take the gamble cuz im outta town today till monday tho

>>10720354
yuck the scaling on the FEDfunds rate is all stupid

>>10720427
i trade em w leverage from options desu
they move so slow and trend so nicely, theyre my bread and butter
right now i see yields decreasing in the nearterm on long bonds. intl worries will drive fuckers to hedge in US treasuries cuz they get paid coupons in USD. longterm bonds trade better as far as range goes, and the markets super liquid so it works for me

>>10720430
That's completely fair. But those of us who are not buffet dont always have the time frame to eat loss for, how long did he hold IBM till it actually made him money? Ten years? For the average person that money is better spent on short term gains. The biggest thing holding back a Chinese bull market is china itself at a political and socioeconomic level. Bill is in theory a great stock, but it can't survive it's government. There is also >>10720463

>>10720442
Can't help if you don't know your info. Do you have a Roth IRA? A 401k? What's your income, net worth, savings. So on and so forth.

>>10720478
my nigga!

>>10720492
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>10720460
based
if GD can do the same too that would be great

>>10720442
>can't enter 'end of plan' below 85
Shit site.
I want to retire at 45 and have like 10-15 years of fun, not become some demented geriatric fossil and stick around until I'm 95 in some House of God-tier parody of life.

>>10720442
Invest more monthly and buy 100% stocks.

EBIN BULL TRAP

>>10720378
taxes and income. my goal is to get about 75K per year in dividends and live off that, reinvesting anything I don't use per month and not touching my Roth IRA unless I absolutely have to.

>>10720514
Ok slow your roll. This isn't even the worst I've seen. You need to figure out your time frame. Are we talking 5 years or 40 years from now. No matter what your first step is eliminate credit card debt. A lot of people preach the snowball method, attack the smallest amount first. Math wise this is dumb, psychology wise it's smart. Mathwise you should attack the biggest balence/highest apr. Once you've gotten rid of your credit card debt then you look at your next big one. Probably car of you don't own a house. Student loans if you have them should be consolidated and typically switched to income based. All the while you should be trying to sock a little away into a Roth IRA. Then once you are either debit free or low debt then you can go gangbusters on saving for retirement. And yes you should be investing monthly but reducing debt obligations helps increase amount you can invest.

DUMP IT!

>bought tesla at 355
>335

just kill me, im so bad

>>10720512
you long TLT rn?
im thinking about it
very interested in the yen all of a sudden though. the options premiums pricing is heavily weighted towards the call side, but the IV is actually LOWER than the call IV than on puts rn.
all the greeks seem heavily skewed bulish imo
thinking of plopping some money on them. i think the dollar will mostly pull back or stabilize till the next rate hike

I have $4.38 left in buying power.

Someone suggest me some penny stocks.

>>10720625
I hope I can make it!

Consider STZ
>top performing alchohal stock
>owns majority share of mexican beer in america
>down over 10% because of acquiring Weed stuff

>>10720650
Your only 37, I know people in their late 50s who are just now thinking about starting. You have the bennifit of time.

>>10720463

Warren Buffet speaks well of china even in 2018.

>>10720492
>but it can't survive it's government.

weibo is very successful even with all the censorship. also BILI is making their own anime based on Chinese culture to avoid regulations. If the government wants to spread Chinese culture it will support BILI.

chenposting outlawed when

>>10720664
Steezy! I’m all out of buying power though

>>10720678
If you're starting in your 50s, you're fucked.

>>10720664
>$4 billion for a company that was worth $5 billion and got about 38 percent of it

>>10720683
Can you PLEASE post your position on BILI? Im 99% sure you are just a hired chink shill
Dont post the BILI corporate account either

>>10720678
im trying to retire by 35

>>10720625
I dont have any debt at all but make so little I can barely save like $500/monthly, its still not enough

i've just been buying shit on Robinhood and some memecoin, is there anything else I should be doing? How do taxes work when i cash out on Robinhood?

Will I stop being dead inside when I make it?

>>10720692
Not nearly as bad as General mills spending HALF their marketcap in debt for blue buffalo, I shall take the risk. Definately start a position if it goes below 200

>>10720642
wrong expiry
this is the one where theres actual contracts
still, call side is considerably more expensive.
what if i went long on USD and also on JPY? since they normally inverse each other somewhat, this could be a good trade, no?

>>10720721
why not just buy Canopy on the market?

>>10720712

Look into IRA's, ETF's, Mutual funds.

>>10720761
>either
Im not interested in the weed companies,
More alcohol, and Constellation has said the past 2 years they would be adding weed to the portfolio, so this is expected

>>10720691
I'm not, and you would be surprised.

>>10720701
Sorry misread that still working. I'd probably say 35 is unrealistic but it isn't impossible. This also means you are young. Like very. Focus on getting a better paying job, this will help a lot.

>>10720712
Don't buy memecoin. Devise a plan for what you are going to buy on Robinhood. If you don't feel like doing a lot of work on learning and managing look up a three fund portfolio or do what I said earlier in the thread about spy, divs. Also that one anon made me think that bonds may be good long term. In which case probably BND is a good choice or just us Treasury bonds I guess.

>>10720642
I would be long right now, but I'm long oil and short S&P. I'm going to look at some charts while I eat my sashimi and miso soup.

>>10720809
I have a plan for what im buying on Robinhood but im just not sure what happens when i want to take money out of it. I just buy QQQ, and some months various blue chippers.

>>10720803
>Im not interested in the weed companies,
then why buy STZ? the reason they're down is because they overpaid for a week company
if you were bullish on weed it makes sense to buy but if you're not then you should agree with the market movement

>>10718475

so, trading really is just gambling but with button-up shirts and slacks?

please, expound deeper into this. i think newbies really need to know what they are getting into before sign up for that brokerage account

>>10720809
>I'm not, and you would be surprised.
Surprised about what? Wasn't talking about you specifically, but anyone who is in their 50s and has to BEGIN saving up for retirement is way too late.

I told y'all about Pandora

Posting from phone. I have recently rearranged some of my holdings, going for a safe growth portfolio with a bit invested in some companies I believe in. What do you think? I do like the dividends from IEP, and their charts look strong. Already up quite a bit on those.

>>10720478
>i covered mine yesterday once i saw the dollar turn desu
are u me? did exact same...
i want back in, but want the market to have a bit more hope. need a CNBC headline "EM to rally."

>>10720836
the reason is because Im bullish on the mexican beer marketshare, and using the weed dip as an opportunity to buy

>>10720825
Anytime you sell you generate a taxable event. The tax rate is like 30% of profit for stocks held less than a year. This is called captial gains tax. Stocks held for more than a year are at a lower tax. There's this whole thing about captial gains and losses. Google those terms and educate self.

>>10720845
I know five people aged 50 or over who managed to turn it around in two years.

>>10720842
>trading really is just gambling
No. The market is just a molochian machine that computes risk premia.
On average, you get exactly what you pay for. It's only when you introduce human retardation and inadequate information into the equation that you can actually lose big. And by lose big I mean lose more than the possibility of loss priced into the asset communicates to you.

>>10720885
So anything I buy do the best to hold it long term? Dont be buying and selling MSFT every other month?
Obviously all my QQQ will be held for years and years.
Does this 30% apply before income tax, which is what like 12%-30% depending on income level? So you really have to kill the market to come out ahead by actively trading compared to just holding ETFs until your 60?

>tfw they called me boomer
>tfw WMT, CSCO, & BA all doing great today.

Feels good man

Shit is looking really fucking bearish for TLT. That's not breaking $121. If it breaks $120.75 I will be shocked.

why has AMD dropped so low

>>10720885
>I know five people aged 50 or over who managed to turn it around in two years.
What did they do? I can't see that happening without:
- Accepting vastly different, low-cost lifestyle when retired
- Already accumulated a lot of wealth in real estate or savings account
- Accepting having to keep working beyond normal retirement age

>>10720920
Here this is more helpful than my multitaksing rambling https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/taxes/capital-gains-tax-rates/

>>10720906
0 sum game, it's just gambling.

>>10720948
Mostly it was lifestyle changes. Reducing debt, not living beyond their means, accepting that they would have to work a bit longer. Getting out of cars and homes they couldn't afford. Not spending on things like vacations and new stuff .I Stuff that.

>>10720932
>no LMT or WM
>no SPY or DIA

3/10, needs work

>>10720983
>buy a stock for $100
>they pay you a $1 dividend
>sell stock back to original guy for $100
not a zero sum game retard

>>10720949
good info

Do you get double taxed on this though? When i declare at the end of the year I made after selling like $6,000 in stocks lets say, do I pay 0% if I'd held that shit for a year+, then ALSO pay 15% of whatever income tax on that $6k? Or does this short/long term capital gains tax effectively replace income tax for that income?

>>10720983
Excess return is a zero sum game. And you are retarded. I hope the option police shoots you for animal cruelty.

>>10720906
>>10720983
There's a difference between trading and investing. Trading is gambling, investing is not.

>>10720871
patience
i dont like getting stuck on the wrong side of these things desu. EMs bounce fucking hard and the dollar is pulling back some more

>>10720939
im not looking at chart for it
all logic is telling us it should be going down now
rates are rising, so are stocks, overbought etc
but then we think about the intl FUD thats been going on. i expect that to continue. and worsen actually. so i expect foreign money to come in and buy our debt regardless of the price/yield. they want hedges against their currencies exploding, and what could be better than 3% yield in a currency thats mooning against yours? especially something safe like long bonds

i missed my entry the other day, but i think it could easily continue. maybe some consolidation first

>>10721004
Didnt even notice LMT. Im in that too. I am definitely shopping for larger/new positions next week or tonight if j can get some funds cleared

alright gonna apply to JC penny
theres no customers so I wont have to do anything

>>10720230
>Implying I'm afraid of losing $20

>>10721000
What you call turning it around is what I call being fucked. If you want to maintain your lifestyle throughout retirement, you better start saving up in your 20s (max 30s).

>>10721013
>Trading is gambling, investing is not.
exactly

>>10721013
That's a stupid way to look at it.
If you're invested in an index ETF you're still exposing yourself to risk, compared to if you kept your money in the mattress and accepted an ironclad -2% (or whatever the inflation is at the time) real rate of return.

>>10721013
id argue that longterm investors are just taking much harder to predict, longer term gambles. but theres no denying bullish bias. this does not eliminate the possibility of getting fucked by a company fucking up catastrophically tho (cough TSLA cough). and long term investors are MUCH less likely to cut losses when its necessary, preferring to avg down instead. but if you fuck up ONCE on this, the losses can be equally catastrophic as a bunch of failed short term trades due to the scale usually being proportionally larger as well. one will make you lose money faster tho

>>10721010
Good tax software will walk you through this come tax season, if you don't have software or a tax person credit karma will hold you hand through it all. And no, capital gains are taxed at a separate rate. Unless something changed you should not get both on the amount.

>>10721051
They decided they would rather have ass working years and good retirement years than horrible retirement years and good working years, but to each their own. Like don't get me wrong I want to retire early and well. But not everyone has foresight. Starting young is the best thing but it's never to late to start. Well ok if your like 70 it's probably too late.

wtf just happened

>>10721041
F is good too, and it's at a fantastic price right now

Where my davids at? all davids sold their calls they bought yesterday at noon and then bought puts

>>10721007
Your stock opens lower the amount of dividends. dividends do not make markets positive sum game. Stock market is a zero sum game like forex after all but it has upward bias due to inflation

>>10721011
>shoots you for animal cruelty
Hey I'm nice to kneepads.

>>10721044
kek

>>10721049
I market sold the shit I bought yesterday this morning after seeing some screen shots that were posted.

>>10721074
>If you're invested in an index ETF you're still exposing yourself to risk
How is exposure to risk equal to gambling?

>>10721088
Take any 30-40 year period for the S&P500 or the Dow and you'll find the annual return beats the rate of inflation. In other words, if your investment horizon is long enough and you diversify enough, you can't lose. The trick is to never sell your stocks (until retirement maybe). Taking a position in one stock, even if long-term, is not my definition of investing. Indeed, that's also gambling.

>>10721125
your smug anime image doesn't change the fact that stock also go up right before dividends
if you hold for a quarter, the stock goes right back to where it was

when you're trading living things that generate value, its not a zero sum game by definition

>>10721125
brainlet
inflation impacts forex more than stocks
and stocks are not zero sum games

>>10721064
Yeah that image is pretty accurate. I have investments and I have shit I trade.

>>10721155
correct

>if you buy good undervalued companies, in a group, its almost impossible to lose money
-warren buffet

>>10721112
Red candles make me hard

When I was in my very early 20s I spoke to an accountant about opening an IRA. he asked me when I wanted to retire and I threw out 55. He just laughed.
I’ve resigned myself to the fact that I’ll be working a very long time and that I’ll have to change my lifestyle when I retire but that’s ok desu. I could easily live the rest of my days shitposting and playing vidya.
In the end though you never know what’s going to happen in your life. You could lose your retirement at any point for any of a number of reasons. Nothing is guaranteed and 30+ years (in my case) is a long time for things to change.

>>10721171
>your smug anime image doesn't change the fact that stock also go up right before dividends

Sometimes it does, sometimes it declines.

>if you hold for a quarter, the stock goes right back to where it was

Definitely not true, you dont know that

>when you're trading living things that generate value, its not a zero sum game by definition

it generates value but you hold paper. Paper is not more valuable even tho the business might be, unless somebody wants to bid higher

>>10721132
But you constantly suck bear dick and I'm fairly sure that's illegal in most places.
>>10721155
How is it not. With an index ETF you expose yourself to the risk of mistiming the market when you buy in. When you trade you expose yourself to the risk of mistiming the asset every time you make a trade on it (to presumably increase your payoff if you get it right). Trading is just a risk multiplier.

>>10721113
Been meaning to pick up more F.

I need to add to my monthly payers to get my capital moving. Still very early on the dividend game, but i have a pretty good starter portfolio.

>>10721125
>>10721206
>this is your brain on crypto

>>10721206
you're wrong and its obvious that you're wrong. the stock market is zero sum, saying otherwise requires proof none of which you have presented

you're probably from crypto, which really is zero sum

>>10718938
>Paki's are Asian.
No.

>>10721220
the stock market is is NOT zero sum*

>>10721112
VIX
time to scalp some profit takers

>>10721220
>you're wrong and its obvious that you're wrong. the stock market is zero sum

Current consensus is that about half of all economists and even academia say it's a zero sum and about half are against the idea

BILI poster never posted his position, confirming hired Chink shill
stay away at all costs

SELL AMAT STRANGLES BEFORE CLOSE

>>10721267
>current consensus is that about half of all economists and even academia say it's a zero sum and about half are against the idea
also wrong

https://money.stackexchange.com/questions/72945/is-the-stock-market-a-zero-sum-game

>>10721232
If you want to be a pedantic stupid fuck than no technically it is negative sum considering fees and commission.

To save pedantic fuckery we just say it's a zero sum game.

>>10721281
>>10721281
bread

>>10721267
We have a term for this, it's called zero-sum thinking. The idea that something must be a zero-sum game. The problem with the stock market is that there are too many players and too many "rules" so we can't know if it's zero sum or not. Conversely there's a lot of proof that things become non zero-sum as complexity increases. The cavet is that zero sum has it's good sides. Zero sum dictates max loss. In the market you can in theory have infinite gain or infinite loss across multiple players.

>>10721324
a single player can have infinite loss (if he shorts a stock that goes up to infinity) but that means another player has infinite gain (the player than owns the stock)

there must be at least as many holders as shorters, therefore maximum loss is to capped at the total invested but maximum gain is infinite (as long as at least one share remains unshorted)

>>10721207
If you buy periodically, regardless of market conditions, you take out the timing component. If you try to time the market, you're not investing anymore. In the past 12 months alone I've bought very close to both a bottom and a top.

thoughts on jcpenny?

>>10721433
>thoughts

>>10721457

>>10721362
>can have infinite loss
Until they default at which point their loss becomes loss for the other player too.

>>10721496
in a world where there are exactly two people, one is long and one is short, the total returns between those people is zero. if one is short and two is long (more typical senario) there can be net gains and losses. if an asteroid crashes and destroys the company, the longs lose everything and the short doubles up, a net loss between all investors.

anyone who things the stock market is zero sum: imagine an asteroid destroying all economic output, the result is total loss, clearly not a zero sum senario.