/biz/ - Business & Finance

you can't tell me we're not overdue in this bubble-within-a-bubble world

first for crippled undead waifus

I told you to buy Alcoa and aluminum producers, but you didn't listen

>>10609216
We're probably seeing long-term side effects of modafinil. He's breaking new ground in pharma research!

- talked to board a week ago about the private
- board members calm on social media today
- talked to softbank a year ago about going private

Yeah it's a chimp out with no planning. He isn't using a grand strategy to inflict as much pain as possible on shorts. The tweets was just him being zany and not ruthlessly fucking with shorts. The secrecy to prevent whispers about what was happening was accidental.

He's obviously not very smart. Bet against Elon.

>>10609239

Us stocks were in a consolidation since dot com, we are going to have a decade long extreme bull run

MNST ER?????

First for the market crashing and taking BAC with it

Despite this lad >>10609256 basically saying what I was going to say, I'm just going to repost it for the (you)s.

It looks like Elon actually fucked himself. It's hard to believe that he would make such a dumb mistake, but the board issued a statement that was extremely neutral and only affirmed that Elon suggested the go private last week. They didn't confirm there was funding, and in fact their only confirmation that Elon had spoken about it a week ago would heavily imply that there was no indication of funding having been secured, and it is unlikely that funding for the largest LBO in history would be hashed out in a week without any of the major banks seemingly able to confirm it or their rumors coming from their desks.

And now there is an SEC investigation into it. If Elon actually was so petty as to assure massively lucrative litigation against his company just to spite shorts, I'm convinced the dude has a personality disorder.

First for golden bullrun

Cant just go up in a straight line
sometimes a -0.10% is needed here and there

>>10609273
The reason is obvious if you think about it. He wanted zero leaks and maximal pain. Hedge funds and Wall street would get a whisper if he went to a bank or too many people.

is there a market where we can bet on the specifics of elon's drug habits

i'm going to say lisdexamfetamine, alcohol diazepam and occasional coke or meth

>>10609266
Gamer fuel can't melt stale guidance.

>>10609273
He's a billionaire, very few people get there who don't have some sort of sociopathy or fucked up bad brain. And once you do get there the pressure must be immense.

>>10609290
But there isnt maximum pain. Maximum pain is him actually running his company not like shit and delivering on his promises. If he actually made cars and made a profit on them, the stock would soar beyond 420. This caps shorts losses and gives them the perfect position to buy cheap puts with tons of upside.

>>10609239
We're not overdue. If anything goes south in Europe, it will lead to 50 trillion USD worth of portable asset flight from Europe to North America. And that's kind of the lower bound, in all likelihood.

>Russia shooting war -> Petroleum prices in Europe explode -> Banking crisis explodes in reaction -> No business lending in Europe -> No business growth in Europe until the shooting stops and the banks can reconsolidate, if they can consolidate

Who here waiting for SGMO EC ?

btw the reason that TSLA is going private is because elon made doing so a requirement for a ticket off the planet.

the ultrarich don't really have other options to get off this rock

>>10609313
I'm not sure how he could achieve more maximal pain. This is pretty much it. It gives no chance of volatility escape below 350.

>>10609316
>fat mutts are this delusional
wew

>>10609313
I see way too many teslas in Napa for them to be not selling.

>>10609342
Europe has plunged into war like clockwork every 70-90 years for the past thousand years. Not brushfire wars either, big dick major power wars.

>>10609249
this but unironically

>>10609330
Something is going to escape the planet, but it sure as hell won't be humans

>>10609271
stop!!!

>>10609372
>pre-nuclear-weapons history is anything like post-nuclear-weapons history
i hope you aren't this retarded at economics as well

>>10609342
>tries to trade american markets when he doesnt live here or know the americhad spx protocol
sad

>>10609266
OMG THEY BEAT
>TFW ALWAYS TRUST BOOMERS

>>10609273
If he really has funding secured for a $420/share buyout, there's no lawsuit. There's no crime. The SEC will investigate, say 'yup looks all good' and that'll be that

So is the reason pretty much all SNAP options accross the board took a shit today because the IV got rekt? Trying to understand why I lost money today on puts that were already ITM.

>>10609334
By making the company the next amazon. People shorted that company at 200, now that is pain. Losing 20% of their principle is nothing for a short. They went in knowing the risks ready to lose it all. If he's lying though, they're gonna strike it rich.

>>10609349
CA isnt the whole world

>>10609393
yes, the IV determines how much it has to move.

>>10609290
Maximal pain for himself maybe. If there is no funding it seems highly likely he is going to be fucked by some very angry rich people. The fact the board is being calm and issuing really bland statements that just confirm they had talked about it last week seems to be interpreted by a lot of the financial people on twitter as them trying to limit their liability. Basically, "Elon is doing this all on his own, we were not complicit in him making that announcement".

I don't follow news on Tesla, but from what I've seen in the past day of twitter insanity over it the board isn't considered impartial because of all of its connections to Musk, so proper procedure for going private would have also included appointing a separate independent committee to handle some of the process. Along with all the normal filing that goes with this stuff (I'm really not knowledgeable on the process, I'm just reading hot takes from finance people on social media). What I'm reading is that the lack of most of this, and the lack of knowledge among the big banks of any deals for funding, would seem to suggest Musk did coke off of Grimes ass and in a stupor decided to post 420 blaze it on twitter.

>>10609395
>>10609407
cope.

>>10609385
Terminal demographic decline combined with having zero defensive facing into Europe means the core of the country is at its most exposed, ever. It's either "conquer all or part of 11 countries and hope nobody cares" or "the country is dead." Russia doesn't really have an option to not go for it.

>>10609380
kek

>>10609381
grim, stop playing so many ER gambles
you ant be lucky all of the time

>>10609393
go back and start over w your options education. if you dont understand this, you shouldnt trade them. and especially so on ERs

>>10609426
I'm never lucky though

>>10609422
>Terminal demographic decline
and this from a 56%er

how many times do we have to tell you that you are not white and never will be

>>10609390
>>10609313
why did trading get halted and then started again?
sec sees crazy tweets halts
elon shows sec the proofs and it resumes?

>>10609437
its not about white vs non-white anon, its about numbers.

>>10609407
>reading hot takes from finance people on social media
they aren't knowledgeable on the process either and it's been trendy on Twitter to shit on Musk for any damn thing

you're just watching people copy and paste rumors and memes, like we do on here with HMNY

only the market cap is $60B instead of $20k, lol

>>10609452
NASDAQ halted them, made them do the memo.

>>10609421
CNBC telling people to buy on the dip. Do you need any more indication to get out?

>>10609283
are you saying that you thought you saw Large Specs buying the vix today?

>>10609464
Whatever I do isn't going to effect price. I'm a small spec. No use trying to fud me as I am 2x more bullish than reasonable on tesla.

>>10609421
I don't have any stake in TSLA, I've just been watching Musk's shenanigans with everyone else for the past couple of months. The intensity of his public foibles seems to be increasing with time, and I have to admit the idea that a company as large as Tesla would drown over securities fraud because its highly public meme CEO acted up on twitter is very entertaining.

>>10609452
Tesla halted trade to give news. My best guess? Elon tweets, board panics, halts trading to limit liability and tells Elon to release something. He releases an email. Trading resumes, everyone goes to get yelled at by their lawyers for what a shitshow this is going to be.

>>10609404
Thanks, i had a feeling it was from the HIV. Still trying to figure out the finer points of options and today threw me for a loop.

>>10609452
You can see the halt codes on NASDAQ website. T1 just means "pending news", it's what they use when they announce big news during trade hours. SEC halt is T14, if I remember right from the LongFin debacle

>>10609479
essentially. though since they were overwhelmingly short, this was them covering

i sure hope shitposting on /smg/ counts as researching how to invest for retirement

>>10609484
Yeah I don't have a dime in this game. Huge fan of Elon, but I don't fuck with crazy and tsla is crazy. Both long and shorts are overly emotional.

>>10609501
no worse than shitposting elsewhere

>>10609456
kek, gender ratio rough flat until age 50, then the men just all die off. I don't think the ratios were these bad even during war time.

>when you lose $30 on a SNAP strangle but make $30 on a short strangle for STX

I shoulda put on an iron condor instead but I'm still a noob.

What will be the next western paradigm after "liberal" """"democracy""""?

>>10609452
Trading was halted to give trades and investors enough time to get the news and digest it.

where are privately held companies traded

>>10609484
so, a couple months ago Elon had a series of tweets about how the media is garbage

if you think there's been an uptick in his crazy behavior since then, it's because of a media smear campaign

>>10609385
u just gave me hope that europe will be nuked

>>10609515
Probably not, but PTSD, non fatal injuries, alcoholism, exposure to toxic chemicals. Over time these would have slowly killed off the survivors

>>10609452
Nasdaq halted and nasdaq asked tesla for verifaction on the news. Then they wrote the memo.

>>10609515
its more the fact that 25 years ago everybody stopped having kids. probably too busy shooting up krokodil and getting AIDS. Can't have a military without people to staff it, and this is the best that the Russian military is going to be for 40 years.

SPY GAPS DOWN

>>10609526
Plato's Republic, book 8. We're in 'oligarchy' now, heading towards 'democracy'. (Real democracy, meaning populism and mob rule). After that comes 'tyranny'

>>10609568
Don't worry, when my royal house establishes a radical centrist monoculture elective monarchy in Alaska, at least 4 children will be mandated
/smg/ can make up my council of advisers

Who here is gambling ROKU earnings?

>>10609587
>Real democracy, meaning populism and mob rule
So proles, doles and hyperinflation.
Joy of joys, can we skip straight ahead to tyranny instead?

>>10609426
Yeah will do. I basically just used SNAP to get my feet wet and get a better idea of how options traded irl, so I barely put any money in to begin with. I have a $13 Oct put that could still pay out, we’ll see i guess

Innovation / Futurist ETFs are so nice for finding companies to research. Sucks that so many have shit like snapchat in them.

>>10609612
It'll pay out anon, you did better than most by buying an October put. You'll see gains, SNAP is going into the trash.

>>10609568
>40 years ago
>stopped having kids
how about birth control and abortions, dingus

Now I'm curious though, how do you join a class-action suit against a public company for securities fraud, and what decides the amount of damages paid out? It seems like it could be a win-win for the buyers since they either can get the $420 price, or they can participate in a lawsuit if they bought the news and it turns out it was a lie.

>>10609619
>here is innovative ETF for the future in technology!
>snapchat
>go pro
>disney
>imax

wut

>>10609578
so wheres your drumfy podcast mr freetime
It s wednesday you know

>>10609601
I was, but the premiums were way to high for my taste

>>10609639
insight into the mind of a boomer

>>10609628
Sweet. Btw your advice the last few weeks has been a huge help, very much appreciated my dude

Elon JUST

>>10609611
a theme that you'll note from that section of The Republic is that things get worse over time and not better

>>10609628
They are making more money with less users. It won't crash like you think.

>>10609631
Yeah, when you use those the technical term is "stopped having kids." Europe stopped having kids in the late 70s, if you're interested. Small wonder Herr Merkel is importing as many shitskins as she can find, at least they're smart enough to not use a rubber.

>>10609531
From the company or in darkpool deals.

>>10609656
>that section
The whole dialogue is about the inevitably of society going to shit.

THE CALL IS STARTING

>>10609632
shareholder lawsuits will end with lawyers making millions and retail shareholders get enough money to buy a sandwich

and not an expensive sandwich

>>10609678
Which really I'd have to argue is wrong, I think things are basically always just the same and we like and fool ourselves into thinking the past was better when really everything is the same it is just a matter of appeance being different.

>>10609578
don't you have some pizza to deliver mr potato head?

>>10609666
Yea for all the talk on declining birthrates it's strange you never hear anyone connect it to the obvious birth control pills and legalized abortion. nothing effects it anywhere near as much as those. shitskins dont have birth control pills and abortions either against their religion or they don't want to take their chances on a coat-hanger...

>>10609632
nothing happens

>>10609643
Hehehe, hehe, um, well, yeah, did I say it was a twice a week thing? I think it's more of a once a week thing with occasional surprise episodes on Wednesdays

>>10609693
The grim gets into options during earning season arc is great

>>10609693
redbull is better tasting too bee honest

>>10609720
They had good earnings! Overseas sales growing quite a bit, even though US sales are declining. LISTEN IT WAS A GOOD IDEA IN MY HEAD AT THE TIME 5 MINUTES BEFORE CLOSING I'M SURE IT WILL WORK OUT OKAY
>>10609738
THEY BOTH TASTE LIKE SHIT I JUST WANT TO WIN FOR ONCE PLEASE

>>10609693
ROKU?
>>10609698
That is a very depressing way to view the world and denies the manifestation of beauty from truth.

Futures in free fall

>>10609752
I have the utmost faith in you!

>>10609769
MNST
for my current status on roku see: >>10609644

>>10609612
well ya fucked up on the IV, but you did good giving yourself time w the expiry

honestly, im about 90% certain shits pulling back hard tomorrow so youll prolly be ok

but dont get cocky cuz you won big. study. THEN trade

>>10609769
tell him to go to church

>>10609707
It's doubly dumb for an industrial society. Modern economies need young people. Not like 5 year olds, though they are consumer, but around 20-40 a person starts consuming huge amounts of everything: Cars, houses, educational services, etc etc.

ROKU GANG ROKU GANG ROKU GANG ROKU GANG ROKU GANG ROKU GANG ROKU GANG ROKU GANG

>>10609698
I think it's a logical progression. Institutions evolve in some specific set of circumstances and then grow and acquire inertia and lose the ability to adapt until they inevitably fail when the circumstances change, and make way for something new to take their place and begin the cycle again.

>>10609769
Look I'm actually a diagnosed sociopath. Which is typically reflected in my portfolio. I'm probably not a great choice for happy fun time positivity.

>>10609698
>>10609789
OH yeah uh go to church anon.

>>10609829
Really go to church then and feel the emotion called love

>>10609825
>>10609698
y'all motherfuckers need Plato

>>10609520
Why would you long strangle with 200%+ IV?

>>10609792
I doubt it could really be stopped, not in a *democracy anyway. Kindof funny it would take a tyrant of some kind to force people to have/keep their children. Atleast we have guns, eurocucks are fucked, can't even fight ahmed with butterknives when shit hits the fan

>>10609853
>he doesn't experience Agape literally nonstop

>>10609860
to buy some delta. dont like having theta decay if there's not an event coming up

>>10609531
What do you not understand about private?

Hmmmmmm

>>10609855
The Republic isn't about a literal republic though, it's about the human soul. It's an ethical treatise, not a governance manual.

Um, fellas, S&P futures is starting to look like the Bitcoin chart when it started crashing. Are we getting Bart'd?

>>10609910
>lugenpresse

>>10609913
it's a floor cleaner AND a dessert topping!

a nice delicious bull sandwich was had
bull nap next, what a nice life for the golden bull

>>10609853
I grew up in a church. Probably why I don't do something like murder people, just invest in big tobacco and health care, student loans and education stocks.

>>10609855
See>>10609913
I've read my Plato.

>>10609918
Like I said awhile back my portfolio is moving like it did about a week or so before the start of the February correction. I don't like it but I do have the rainyday fund ready to go.

>>10609918
yes we are gapping down
large specs are buying back their short VIX contracts

but i have to say:
i tried to warn you >>10607889

Sold my MU and loaded up on SYF today

>>10609918
Futures are fine so far, they only crashing because they got out of hand x.x

aslong as NQ over 7456
and ES over 2850
there am no real crash

>>10609964
PM not doing too good. Any other good tobacco stocks you know of?

FUCKING MOOOOOOOOOOVE THE NEWS IS GOOD FUCK

>>10609997
priced in

once again folks:
always inverse rkgs bull calls >>10609989

shes bretty gud at shorts
not so much at longs

>>10610009
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>10609996
I cycle in and out of PM and MO with the price movement. Forgot I sold out of PM a few days ago. I also like BTI. That is almost my buy range right now.

THE GOOS IS LOOSE

>>10610026
it like you want for die in excruciating agony

>>10609989
You got lucky with GoPro. Am not trusting silly girl with indexes XD

>>10610081
im sorry rkg
if it hadnt been effective 4 times in a row (provided tomorrow happens) i wouldnt say anything. but i want us all to make it. in order for that to happen, we need to have all the tools available to us at our disposal

>>10610089
i unironically vouch for rkgs SPY shorts/scalps being bretty gud most of the time. her autism w indicators is unparalleled as well

>>10609330
>elon's soul isn't held back by Earth's gravity.
Is Elon the IRL equivalent of Char Aznable?

>>10610027
use spreads around ERs to minimize your vega
or better yet, sell contracts/spreads. just make sure you dont sell naked options as you can get REKT very quickly

or even better, dont fucking play ERs for any reason ever (pic related) other than the fact that youre already in them and dont want to sell out

>>10610225
I know, I just put a little aside to play with for ER season. Thank you for caring, I love you.

>>10609974
Dumbass, MU setting up for another push

>>10610225
I mean if you know your expected win rate and can calculate your win/loss then you surely to get some +EV moments considering it looks to be a 60/40 from pic related.

>>10609531

You can invest in private companies but it's a whole different type of process. Also you will need a giant whooley mammoth load of cash before it's even a possibility.

As a small time stock trader, you just keep an eye on the company and hop in if/when they decide to go public. Some never do though. They don't like giving up that much control to shareholders.

HMNY is gonna skyrocket. Y-you'll all see! Tomorrow I'll be snorting coke of off $5,000 hookers in Vegas.

>>10610260
As someone who recently sold MU as well, I don't doubt it but I want to see them hold today's gains longer than lunch time tomorrow before I buy back in.

>>10610089
can guarantee you me SPY trading METHOD am more sophisticated and better than 90% of retail traders

And GPRO was value investment!

>>10610127
t-ty @_@
but imo this am only happening because me definition of bear / bullish am different than everyone else

imo most people have bear and bull backwards >.<

Poor Grim

>>10609785
Thanks for the advice. Was there a signal I should have noticed that would have warned about the IV beforehand?

how have your days been, lads

>>10610309
i bought a small stack even though i never thought i ever would.
still probably risky and dumb,
but its valuation is less than the median US home ~$200k, with max dilution of 4x -> $800k

revenue figures seem clouded, but if its true that most of their customers are profitable, and the 10% that was just going to movies every single day all just got rekt.... we could see a $0.30 - $1.00 valuation depending on dilution

>>10610365
He might be okay, his call doesn't expire for a while and theres still time in the summer for thirsty sippers. I kind of want to get one in solidarity.

>>10609239
a chart of the dow priced by commodities like gold or silver shows that weve been in a secular bear market since the dot-com bubble burst

>>10610027
Why didn't you just place a spread?

>>10610365
he am having fun it looks like thou

>>10610393
>>10610419
He hates weekends cause all he has right now is trading. Wish he could find a hobby. He seems nice.

>>10610419
It is kind of gay that it's tanking so hard right now despite sales increasing 20% yoy

>>10609769
You sound like that Lucas pedo from Twitter

>>10610258
np bud
but honestly, there are better gambles to take than ERs imo in term of options. one of my favorite gambles to take when im bored is to buy ITM options on slow moving, ETFs (w liquid options markets) that frequently gap up and down overnight (but not by much, ie <+/-1%). you buy at closing bell, then sell at opening bell. just if youre ITM, DO NOT LET IT GO OTM. you will lose a lot of money

some of my favorites in this regard are GLD for gold, TLT for bonds, and USO for oil. if youre new to intraday trading speculatively on commodities, i suggest trying SLV and USO, as their greeks are much more pleasant and easy to manage and the contracts are quite cheap. even though youre ideally only in the trade overnight, its still worth it to buy 1month long contracts at least. but by buying deep enough ITM, you will have less theta to worry about, less vega, and also you will actually make more money per contract due to having higher deltas. my sweet spot is 70+ deltas, but you should prolly start smaller.

just whatever you do, DONT TRY THIS W REAL MONEY YET. try papertrading it for a couple months.

but i used to make decent lunch money doing this w SLV back when it was ranging predictably. ive also made LOTS of money doing this w bonds. its a lot of fun. even w commodities being manipulated, theyre still more predictable than ERs imo

>>10610371
lol
yes
its called IV
should come up alongside the rest of your greeks.
rule of thumb is to BUY contracts when IV is low, and SELL contracts when IV is high

>>10610450
he should trade crypto during weekends then :P

>>10610475
havent you seen the chart? reactions to earnings are almost 100% random
it will be up in week after gamblers cleared out

>>10610450
I hate weekends because all I have is trading, paranoid esoteric conspiracy theories, and drinking. I love how his name is grim but he's one of the most consistent niceposters in the thread.

Something weird is happening. Suddenly all the cannabis investing forums are talking about Tetra BioPharma. I expected some chatter due to the breakout but this is something else. Other tickers making similar gains currently, such as CVSI, have not received this much talk.

Come on mainstream media, run a story about how TBP is in clinical trials to develop a cannabis based alternative to fentanyl. You know you want to. Use those long noses and smell the profits here. Possible drug in late stage clinical trial that could help with the opioid crisis? Yes. That's clickbaity. Lots of clicks for u. Yes.

Yes.

Now pardon me while I go set my sell orders somewhere in the vicinity of the border of interellar space.

>>10609698
>Which really I'd have to argue is wrong, I think things are basically always just the same and we like and fool ourselves into thinking the past was better when really everything is the same it is just a matter of appeance being different.
My fellow enlightened. You've also seen beyond the bullshit.

>>10610513
Remember hold all weed stocks even medical until at least October.

>>10610486
Pardon me sir, I just realized how retarded I am. I will return to studying more until I am no longer babby tier

>>10610475
i honestly think it has more to do w futures getting assblasted rn
theres nothing MNST can do about the entire US market dropping on its ER day. people will see things selling off and want to manage risk. MNST is up a lot recently, so it was bound to pullback at some point regardless

>>10610513
>TBP is in clinical trials to develop a cannabis based alternative to fentanyl
>Possible drug in late stage clinical trial that could help with the opioid crisis?
this is exactly why it will not get attention. whoever is importing that shit from china is making a LOT of money killing people. and in order to move that amount of highly scheduled drugs into the states, they need to be VERY powerful

>>10610560

I'm not that kinda trader. I think long hodling speculative weed shit is a little crazy. You're batshit if you don't take profits on a sector this volatile. Or at least do a trailing stop loss so you're protected if things go to hell in an instant.

That said, Canopy is looking pretty bullish still and I'm holding my position in that for now. It could be until October before the chart shows me sell indicators or it could be next week.

>>10610610
its cool m8
at least you didnt lose much

NO ONE CAN HAVE MY FUV UNLESS IT'S FOR $5

>>10610617
correct me if im wrong, but before harvest i would expect a dip?
ive never traded weed through harvest tho, and perhaps widespread legalization will change things

>>10610507
>when your conspiracy theories are so far fetched /pol/ tells you to go to /x/ and /x/ tells you to go to /pol/

>>10610659
my conspiracy theories arent centered enough around jews for /pol/, and are too focused on geopolitical events for /x/, so i know that feel

>>10610507
That is one hell of a color pallette.

>>10610659
You know you gotta share them. Just fire off a few in greentext.

>>10610659
>>10610682
how deep down rabbit hole am you guys?

I feel like I just woke up from a dream, and there was a fucking ton of willful blindness

>>10610682
You too. It's AH and we're not talking about shit anyway.

>>10610688
TCU
C
U
HORNEY TODES FOREVER
BUY PEEPCOIN

>>10610711
I wrote my dissertation on terror management theory. So I guess pretty?

>>10610639

I don't know about harvest. Most of the growers are greenhouse based and work on a rotating schedule without set harvest dates like other outdoor grown crop stocks have.

It also depends on the business model of the companies you're invested in, what their forecasts for supply are for recreational sales rollout in October, whether they expect to be over or under supplied to meet demand, etc. Pharmaceutical companies like Tetra run on completely different set of factors; clinical trial results, qualifying for Drug Identification Numbers (DINs).

One thing to watch out for this month is quarterly earnings reports. Canopy Growth's next earnings report is August 14th and I don't expect the numbers to look good. I will probably sell the day before to protect my gains on that one, wait for the dust to settle, and perhaps re-enter position when things look good for it.

>>10610803
woah really?
how do you feel about me psychological strategy of deal with terror am death by turning to love of guro ? :O

futures went green again

everyone calm the fuck down

>>10610711

All the way down.

>>10610377

Green as fuck

Tommorow more geeen after GOOS crushes earnings

>>10610717
i dont got much time rn but
>robert anton wilson is CIA
>he was kerry thornleys (author of the principia discordia) as well as lee harvey oswalds handler
>kerry recounts of his times during the army with lee, where they were both put through extensive testing w hi doses of LSD (this in the late 50s) and other research chemicals
>claims him and lee were programmed to kill JFK (rather lee was made patsy and kerry was the shooter)
>also claims that in the early 60s, before the assasination that he befriended some fellows by the name of "slim" and "his brother" (no name)
>they all hated commies and thus would joke about how to kill the pres
>while hanging w slim, slim used to tell kerry stories about what was going to happen in the 60s
>things that included the assasination of MLK, the acid wave, the entire countercultural movement of the 60s, the manson family murders, and the eventual rise of richard nixon
>slim completely disappears in the weeks leading up to the JFK assasination
>after the murder, kerry realized he had been set up as a secondary fall guy, later decided that he was actually one of the shooters and that robert anton wilson was his handler
>during the watergate scandal, after viewing the pictures of the supposed infiltrator, realized it was slim, and that his buddies were spooks, and that the entire 60s was a psyop (rather a letoff valve for civil unrest)

this is a really TL;DR version. his actual recounting of this is incredibly interesting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvBs3qE0-Ik

>>10610717
the freaky shit is how much of his story lines up w the recently FOIAd documents from the JFK vaults

>>10610838
That's not even usual.

>>10610838
>how do you feel about me psychological strategy of deal with terror am death by turning to love of guro ? :O
It's a good one. It's how abuse victims cope too. They get oxy releases from it. It makes sense to get into guro if you are scared of death.

>>10610875
You read Miles Mathis' somewhat incoherent take on that? It kind of hurts me because I want to like RAW so much and Prometheus Rising struck me as so loving and nice, but I think it might be true. The whole sphere of the 60's acid wave is so spooked to fuck it's unbelievable, if you're on that track I assume you already know about Laurel Canyon, LSD manufacturing, Kenneth Anger and the CoS, its all so crazy.

Oil really took it up the ass today. Cheated the price patterns yesterday and Monday but not today. Have to dig myself out, need to pick the right time to double up. Here’s hoping for a hurricane.

how super fucked are tesla shorts on a 1 to pedo scale

>>10610717
also, while kerry thornley is merely a CIA asset (and not a willing participant), RAW is an actual spook. discordianism was quickly subverted by weird fucking satanists in the CIA, and in the 80s the church of the subgenius underwent a similar treatment.

also (tho i dont have time for it) look up "the finders" pedo cult.

also look up the "son of sam" murders on long island as well as "cropsey". eerily similar, and very likely connected

>>10610958
Jared Fogel

>>10610942
RAW is my favorite spook desu
at the very least hes got a good sense of humor about it all

> Laurel Canyon, LSD manufacturing, Kenneth Anger and the CoS, its all so crazy.
yup yup yup
sure fucking is
cant wait to see wtf theyve done to this generation in 60 years when it gets FOIAd

>>10610942
im also kind of convinced that zappa was an asset

>>10610851
really ?_? been looking for someone who knows what Pripyat Greenhouse was

>>10610901
me know >_>, am on guro forums too you know, alot of them terminally ill

Was looking for educated opinions on it !

>>10610941
!!! yes! thats exactly what am telling therapist! he keeps telling me it depression though

think he just trying get me on meds

>>10610997
Zappa's one that I've always assumed was due to his parentage. He's another one I would like to believe was a good person at heart, but that just betrays my personal biases because I like his music (now thats a scary thought, listening to his Art...). All chaos magic after the 60s has struck me as totally fucked with, the Illuminates of Thanateros and like you already said discordians and CotSG are super weird in a way I can't really describe.

>>10610682
>>10610702
>>10610711
I’ve posted this before but I think the current Pope is a Jew and I think there’s enough circumstantial evidence to prove it.

>>10610365
>>10610393
>>10610401
>>10610419
>>10610475
I'm just having some fun boys. I put away a little bit to play with for ER since it's my first ER season.
>>10610486
Thanks bud, I'll look into it!
>>10610505
>>10610507
>>10610450
Yeah trading and investing is probably the only thing that's keeping me mentally okay at the moment.

I like all you guys very much!!!!

>>10609560
>>10609463
no, NASDAQ didn't halt them
the correct scenario was this >>10609485

>>10611041
In that case, when confronted with terror usually by some vectkr that makes one face their own mortality they either retreat into a previously developed coping mechanism that has worked for that threat in the past or they develop new ones. Which can be very hit or miss. Fetishization of death for the terminally ill is a hyper exaggerated form of exceptance on what is typically a subconscious level.

>>10610966
Oh, you ever look into the Process Church of the Final Judgement? That one hits close to home for me because I adopted my cats from the "animal shelter" they set up. Something something... dog's blood rising...

Elon shitposting on twitter while shorts are sweating bullets is glorious. Dig the fucking knife in.

>>10611112
There is some evidence that suggests that the guro kink for some such as yourself might be related to a case of positive behavior after an injury. Like you broke your foot as a kid and had a great break from school watching TV. Of course this doesn't apply to those who project it.

>>10610942
tho in terms of "civil unrest letoff valve" in the modern day, i am fully convinced that OWS was infiltrated quickly by spooks for obvious reasons. D&C ops were injected, namely the modern SJW movement. this was then brought back purposefully, and uintentionally to the colleges where it could be embedded entirely in the minds of the youth

im also convinced that most of the occupy movement was contrived and organized via social media infiltrators. this method was tested in the US on civs, but then a similar method was deployed all across north africa during the arab spring (thinking of morocco and tunisia specifically) to overthrow and install puppet leaders

>>10611061
>Illuminates of Thanateros and like you already said discordians and CotSG are super weird in a way I can't really describe.
i will not fucking post it here but i assure you that they were/are used as pedo ring initiations. stay the fuck away from any organizations calling themselves those things nowadays

shame too as i always admired the art from both of those orgs
but thats CIA subversion for you

>>10611126
ill look into it
but i gotta go now
bye bye
and remember (as always) if i dont show up, look into it. im feeling fine lol

>>10611162
most of psych is nonsense or impossible to scientifically analyze.

>>10611145
>shorting TSLA without put options to limit loss at 100%

>>10611169

retard

>>10611174
3x leverage at some places on tsla shorts.

Anyway I have to say Elon is doing this beautifully. I didn't understand the timing till I learned he has 4 business days to respond to the SEC inquiry.

By doing it in this order he has until Monday. Maximizing the time by adding in the 2 weekend days. Maximizing the stress and hope from shorts.

>>10611187
It's pretty much true. It's not really what I'd call a science. At most you can do self-surveys to get results on things like this. The tools really aren't that good yet. Still one step up from lobotomies but not something I'd trust.

>>10611193
no, he has to file either an 8-K or 13E-3 within 3 days of the first tweet

I don't know much about the technical stuff related to stocks.

Is a Vanguard index fund good enough for my retirement investing, or should I try to invest in something with more growth like big tech companies?

>>10611211
It's 4 business days

>>10611112
>exceptance on what is typically a subconscious level.
nuuuu ;_; that kinda what am worried about ...shoot ty though

>>10611162
>positive behavior after an injury.
holy crap this ! can remember the exact moment of agony was like "wow... this piece of meat pretty hot"

Anyone ever watch the Enron documentary and get the feeling Bush was involved.

>>10611231
he's already in violation if his tweet isn't followed by those filings within 3 days, even without the SEC asking questions.

now, he also has to reply to the SEC within 4 business days. but to be clear, he's already violating the law well before that if he hasn't filed an 8-K or 13E-3

>>10609895
call + short stock
put + long stock

youd lose less on iv and get your delta

>>10611244
the bush family was thoroughly in bed w enron
the bush family (HW specifically) was a founding member of the CIA

also, the drummer of the polices dad was another founding member. all skull and bones fuckers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRa11vtonWw

>>10611231
its 72 hours. Regardless, do you really think the stock is going to go up when they haven't filed? 0 is a lot further away than 420. Should make longs nervous more than shorts.

>>10611304
>>10611255
cope

>>10611304
he also doesn't understand that put options, in this context, are way less risky then shorting the stock on margin.

>>10611041
>really ?_? been looking for someone who knows what Pripyat Greenhouse was

Oh I haven't a clue. Conspiracy theories both plausible and ostensibly absurd are my favorite flavor of reading material.

Rate my theory /smg/

Musk makes the announcement on Twitter because it's his preferred form, and because it would generate hype much faster than a normal email.
Why generate hype? Most companies slow-roll on their buyout efforts to keep the costs down. Unless... he wanted the price to spike and he needed to make it happen fast. Barely an hour before that announcement, articles from the Financial Times said Saudis bought <5% stake in Musk. That just happens to be under the amount they legally have to report. The only reason we seem to know it was Saudis is through leaks from "knowledgable people". Saudis have an explicit goal to diversify and have funded electric vehicle companies in the past. Maybe the Saudis are his "secured funds" source. Maybe this deal is a way for the Saudis to solve Musk's debt problem/secure their oil future by controlling EV's future. They get a big equity stake, Musk gets to avoid all the public trading headaches and avoids the risk of crashing before they can pay off any debt.

If Musk made the price jump right after that leaked, he may have done it to keep the big money in the U.S. from buying up a big stake and price-gouging him with a "no" vote to the $420 figure, since they know the Saudis can foot the bill.

>>10611205
I will fully admit a lot of psych is either nonsense or art but there is science there. I asked people questions like if your mother was to die in a car crash today what would you do, while they were hooked up to an EKG. Then I'd have an assistant pull a prop gun on them somewhere in the middle and then after explaining as mesuring startle response I'd ask similar questions and look for variance in answers

also he wouldn't have to reveal the funding source.

>>10611332
95% of theories I've come up with that make sense involve the shares going to 400 or higher. The 5% musk jail chance is what so many are betting on though.

I think what got wall street so pissed and chimpy about this is that they didn't get told in advance. UBS analyst says he would have heard a leak if it was true lol.

These fuckers are so used to easy insider trading advantages and rumors that they chimp out when the market beats them in a fair game.

>>10611347
jesus, yes he would have to.. and in what capacity the buyer is funding the buyout.
it's materially different if an American company is buying TSLA or the Saudi wealth fund is. the latter deal could be stopped by CFIUS.

>>10611332
it doesn't make sense at all to reveal the 420$ figure if you want the deal to go through

>>10611375
It's the only reason I haven't bet yet. I don't know SEC law well enough to know how fucked he might be for that tweet. There's a decent chance he made it as soon as he read the article about the Saudis, explaining why it took so long for an official statement. idk how much that could hurt him.

S&P is really looking like a double top. I'm sure of it now.

>>10611408
>it doesn't make sense at all to reveal the 420$ figure if you want the deal to go through
How so? How else would he spike the price high enough to scare off the big money?

>>10611412
Defense: 10s of quotes in various articles out the last few days with quotes like this (We would have heard it through leaks if he went to a bank). The wall street big boys are constantly saying in articles that they would have heard a leak if it did through a normal way.

"News of the deal would have leaked had Tesla already held discussions to secure funding," UBS analyst Colin Langan wrote in a research note Tuesday.


That's all you need. Experts in the field are saying the news would have leaked if it did it how the SEC wanted.

>>10611402
So he admitted that he's an insider trader but he's not going to prison? I really want Musk to squeeze the life out of shorts now.

>>10611490
Pretty much like 50% of quotes by wall street are chimp outs that they didn't get it leaked. see

"News of the deal would have leaked had Tesla already held discussions to secure funding," UBS analyst Colin Langan wrote in a research note Tuesday.

>>10611041
What’s Pripyat Greenhouse Incident? Can’t find anything about it.
>inb4 4chan gets shutdown when she tells me

>>10611475
The Saudis are kind of a different animal than Wall Street is used to dealing with though right? I'd imagine its harder to get access to a Saudi leak given their wealth and political atmosphere. Plus, we do know that they met previously.

>>10611518
Saudis, silicon valley, lots of people aren't connected to wall street like the banks are.

>>10611448
"big money" are already 50% of shareholders? https://www.marketscreener.com/TESLA-6344549/company/ -- in this scenaro, when they decide to get out, stock price is doomed

you do also realize that Tesla has knowledge about who its shareholders are?
Saudi rumors hit the wire before Musk tweet

>>10611475
you're twisting words here, the fact is that every company that could/should be involved in this kind of deals is outright denying any involvement (mind you, denying, different than "no comment")

if you took away insider trading / leaks / rumors etc then half of wall street would close down.

That's pretty much their only edge in non algo places

>>10611541
lol
>every company
not even close. It could be a handshake between Elon Musk and Larry Page to get this done.

>>10611542
how do you think retards like Cramer were averaging 20% a year before they cracked down on insider info

it sure wasn't from his stellar research

>>10611558
Cramer is on tape admitting price manipulation is how he traded.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOS8QgAQO-k

>>10611311
Why do TSLA longs try the shame/demean you strategy so often? Is it because when shorts link facts they emotionally perceive facts as FUD and emotionally project? Worse than hillary clinton supporters desu. Made a lot of money on that trade too.

Softbank said it wasnt them. You are literally betting on sandnigs shelling out 1/5th of their sovereign wealth fund to buyout a company that has never made any money. It makes no sense for any company to buy TSLA. All they had to do was wait a few months for it to be in trouble and they could get it at a lower price. There is no reason to pay a premium.

>>10611552
I mean companies that structure deals like this.. not the ultimate investors.
but if you care, these investors are ruled out too in any capacity: https://twitter.com/danprimack/status/1027255190171332609

>>10611223
buy gold for your retirement

>>10611577
just go short it more, no one cares about how sure you are Elon is a fraudy nut going to jail any day.

Anyone eyeing YY for their earnings coming up? It's been down the past few weeks, but they should post strong growth, so I'm hoping for a bump back up to 95-100 range. I am worried about Trump tweeting and fucking it up, so I'm only going about 10% in.

>>10611577
>There is no reason to pay a premium.
exactly, also there is no reason to keep Elon as CEO.

yep

>>10611541
I know Tesla knew about the Saudi investment. I'm saying they planned it from the start.
Fidelity will vote to go private as they did with SpaceX, more than likely. That, along with Musk's friends and the Saudis, puts Musk in roughly the +35% "yes" range before it even hits the markets. Tencent has a vested interest in a healthier private Tesla, or at the very least as far away from U.S. interests as possible. 40%. Past that, he could likely pull the last 11% out of the remaining portion of the market with Saudis buying up votes and his diehards sticking with him. With the way he's been acting, I wouldn't be surprised if T. Rowe wants to cash out, its not the first time they've thought about it.

>>10611598
I can't short more, the market is bought out. There are less than 15k shares available to short and most brokers won't let you short anymore as the shares just arent there. I bought Sept puts this morning but only about 1k worth, not much in the grand scheme of things.

Ask yourself, if Elon wanted to hurt shorts, why would he do it in such a dumb fucking way? You know how you fuck shorts? You keep this thing quiet, let the stock drop, let them over extend then one day after hours or right at the end of the trading day you hit them with the announcement and the 8K. The stock price jumps to 420 instantly and they get margin calls immediately which drives the price even higher. I think this was Elon's plan but he miscalculated. He thought people would believe him, panic and the positive feedback loop of covering would send the stock into the stratosphere... but the short wall held strong and said "Show me the money!"

>>10611644
i wanted to buy a keyboard from guitar center today and i saved the keyboard last night and when i woke up today someone bought it. feels bad man

Are there any EKSO bros left or did you all sell during the dip?

>>10611674
Yeah I'd imagine they locked down Tencent and a lot of others to go private with them. I think google is the $420 buyer most likely due to elon's personal relationship with them and Larry page

Goes perfect with Waymo

>>10611680
It was on a downtrend from 350 to 340 or lower. It was teetering. At that point a trap was sprung headed to 400+. I think he might have maximized short float to be honest.

>>10609243
Sauce on that?

>>10611688
44 and 88 not bad.

>>10611691
dude good gains on the daytrade. i still call you 3 for 3. sold my habit too soon but still got a bit out of it.

what's next homie?

>>10611693
>Goes perfect with Waymo
[citation needed]

>>10611680
puts keep you safer, anyway. no loss exceeding 100%, unlike shorting.

>>10611674
that would mean (1) Saudi+Tencent are less than 50% of the company after buyout (2) Elon has in writing that major US shareholders don't want to be bought out, but will follow to private.
do you really think he has all of that? or that he has someone pledging 70bn$ for real?
there is no LBO out of this, Tesla's credit rating is already in the crapper

>>10611097
Did you end up profiting on ICHR?

>>10611738

>>10611737
Waymo is valued by some analysts between 60-175 billion dollars. Google has enormous cash. They have personal relationships with Elon. They want to do a lot of things in the home/city level.

By pairing up with tesla they could get exclusive access to all of the tesla vehicles, hook them up to waymo/android ecosystems and rule the fucking world.

They can actually leverage alot of Tesla things and make much more money off it than tesla could while easily funding international factories.

history lesson, always know history if you are invested in a stock

https://www.inc.com/business-insider/elon-musk-had-an-$-11-billion-deal-in-place-with-google.html

In the first week of March 2013, Musk reached out to [Google chief Larry Page], say the two people familiar with the talks.

By that point, so many customers were deferring orders that Musk had quietly shut down Tesla’s factory.

Considering his straits, Musk drove a hard bargain. He proposed that Google buy Tesla outright--with a healthy premium, the company would have cost about $6 billion at the time--and pony up another $5 billion in capital for factory expansions. He also wanted guarantees that Google wouldn’t break up or shut down his company before it produced a third-generation electric car aimed at the mainstream auto market. He insisted that Page let him run a Google-owned Tesla for eight years, or until it began pumping out such a car.

Page accepted the overall proposal and shook on the deal.

>>10611708
The hedge funds moved in to short @ 380. He got me with 1 OTM put I bought at 340 but I made it back by buying another at open today.

>>10611737
I know, but when I initiated my position my broker would not let me trade options so I was forced to short. I have a main short position and some way otm Jan 19 im planning to roll forward or not based on Q3 cash burn.

>>10611763
TLDR larry page and elon musk have a handshake deal going back years for google to buy tesla. Maybe they just agreed to go through with it.

shorts are crazy

>>10611771
Larry page net worth $55 billion.

>>10611754
but Waymo and Tesla Autopilot are two totally different beasts from a technological standpoint. you'd basically have to pick one of the two after the merger.

if you want to go private, you have to offer cash, not shares.. so Waymo valuation doesn't mean anything at all honestly.

not going to comment the other crap you said cause it's wishful thinking, at best

>>10611763
You realize Page shook his hand but would have bought for pennies on the dollar if TSLA actually did go under, right?
"yeah man, sure I'll bail you out for 11 bil"
"oh I see youre in trouble, heres that 6 bil we agreed on"
"Oh you need more than 4 bil or you declare chapter 7? Gosh, I guess I can spare 2 bil to help you out."

>>10611795
Just wait. Hes going to jail or he has funding.

LOCK HIM UP
>LOCK HIM UP

LOCK HIM UP
>LOCK HIM UP

LOCK HIM UP
>LOCK HIM UP

Or have him step down, i want to buy TSLA once the stock crash and the Muskmeme ends

>>10611795
What this guy said. Tesla uses a radar, Waymo uses a spinning lidar + cameras. Ultimately you'll need a flash lidar for self driving vehicles to bring costs down.

>>10611737
His credit may be shit. I don't think the company has the star-studded future bulls have painted it to have. But I do think their tech is invaluable to anyone pursuing EVs, autonomous, or solar on the planet. If it sinks, you can protect patents later and deny the major U.S. automakers a 7 year headstart in autonomous and electric. If it does well, all the better.
> (2) Elon has in writing that major US shareholders don't want to be bought out, but will follow to private.
What? I'm saying they DO want the buyout, they want off of Musk's wild ride and they want off ASAP, before a crash. They don't need to pledge 70bn, they only need roughly 30bn depending on how many decide to buy out.

>>10611812
other thing you gotta remember is that the tech billionaires are all a clique of personal friends

Larry, Sergei, Elon, Zuck, Jack, Tim Cook, Peter Theil, all of em, they're buds. They know each other and drink together and fund each other's ventures and probably DP hookers together

meanwhile CNBC is asking people outside the club, like Wall Street investment bankers, if they know anything about the deal. Of course they don't.

>>10611833
With potential profits they would just develop both. Or just buy tesla vehicles and have them customized for waymo's needs, running both options. Tesla for customers, waymo for taxi.

>>10611837
that would mean leaving a majority to the Saudis or Chinese, so CFIUS has to rule on it, and it will likely be shot down, making the deal fall apart.

Tesla can't probably borrow to finance his operations/debt repayments in Q3+Q4, let alone finance an LBO.
(((conveniently this bull run reduces debt repayments that are coming up: convertible bonds)))

>>10611837
If he has a big software giant doing the $420 buyout, people will stay on, the stock might easily go $450 on announcement if it's partnering iwth amazon/google etc.

Waymo partnered Tesla value would be like $100 billion market

>>10611575
yeah, it wasn't really illegal just how all those "superstars" made their money

they literally knew the earning prior. Then they busted that one fat paki and scared everyone straight

>>10611713
https://mangarock.com/manga/mrs-serie-100234863

>>10611837
also, about solar, his roof panels are way less efficient than current, proven solutions. by a huge margin.

>>10611916
Yeah but the battery tech is unprecedented. His batteries are what make the whole thing somewhat viable.

>>10610398
link/source?

>>10611928
you need a retail battery only in a super weird market where you don't have a reliable grid.

>>10611916
The solar roofs do make sense eventually on new homes. They make sense as an additional product option but not something you would want to only do. I don't know much about solar city or the solar business at tesla though. It seems like a decent product that gets better as solar gets cheaper. Once it's a minor incremental cost in comparison to normal roofing, everyone will just build new homes with solartiles instead of normal roofing.

For now the normal solar add ons make more sense for existing roofs.

be me, living in reno for a bit

>go to tesla factory for job interview
>fuck this thing is huge
>inside of lobby is like some martian terrarium
>thinking ill be competing with skilled labor
>sheboons and white trash in jnco jeans, walmart polos and slipknot shirts
>go for 'aptitude test'
>test is literally screwing color coded nuts onto a big bolt in the order requested by the tester
>some retards couldn't screw them on in time or in the right order

walked out of that shit asap, they still email me to come work at that shitshow of a building. construction crews working alongside battery production at the moment.

>>10611948
If you are relying on things like solar and wind, or homes without infrastructure (which is common worldwide) it makes sense.

For instance if you build a cabin, ranch, etc the battery solution is going to be pretty attractive in 5 years.

>>10611916
One of the reasons TSLA is an absolute disaster is because he bought out that solar co which was even worse of a scam than TSLA. I'm assuming the accounting books for TSLA are enron tier bad

The best thing Musk has is that Space co, there is a reason that is private. TSLA needs a bankruptcy, only real choice

>>10611970
cool blog bro.

>>10611976
I didn't realize everybody except me lived off the grid, in rural areas, but had money to buy a solar roof and battery.
if you're thinking about developing countries, oh boy.

>>10611986
yup, and yup.
SpaceX is private but is going to incur in difficulties next year, because demand just isn't there (for now)

>>10611961
solar roof don't make sense, half as efficient than current solar solution, apparently more susceptible to breaking, and double the cost? 4x times as bad..

>>10611986
>>10611986
I fucking love posts like this. You are who gives me so much money on TSLA. Thanks for you and people with your mindset driving it to 290

>>10612009
>I can only look at things at their cost right now
>Being the only solartile company left with an awesome brand name is sostupid

TSLA $420 calls

>>10612012
let me guess, how much were you invested in cryptos around Dec. 2017?

>>10611928
it really isn't. They locked themselves into outdated architecture by building their plant so early in the tech. Battery tech might not even matter, Toyota is betting big on hydrogen fuel cells which are showing more promise.

>>10612035
$0

>>10609601
I bought 50 shares of ROKU during power hour. I also bought 100 shares of ROAD.

>>10612038
Tell me the thermodynamic efficiency of HFCV vs EV, you know it right?

in any case, it's kind of ridiculous to focus on the far-future sales from (profit-making?) technologies that Tesla owns and manufactures.

the cash crunch is coming before EOY.

>>10611997
fucking lmfao

coming from the attention whore tripfaggot, that's rich.

>>10611970
where do you work now :O

>>10612055
83%max 50% real vs 99%. This doesn't even play a role in adoption. It also doesn't play out the way you think. Include the power plant in the loop and tally up the score again. 50% real vs 33-50% real HFCVs come out ahead.

>>10612038
Hydrogen fuel cells only really seem to do well with Platinum electrodes. Pretty costly to go platinum... Lithium ion powerwall is cheaper and safer to play with, not to mention proven to actually work.

>but what about the cash flow

>>10612012
i'm not some genius, every short seller on wall street knows it's a scam.

The price of the stock is something completely different that the actual company.

Even if they didn't need at least 2 billion of cash EOY just to keep the lights on, there are like 100 EVs coming on market next year that are superior to Tesla in every way.

>>10611928
TSLA battery tech is complete garbage

>>10612143
including electrolysis?

>>10612214
It's definitely a scam, hope all of wall street starts shorting it down to 300 to call elon's bluff.

>>10612115
working in alaska

Let me help you NEETs and stockfags understand why a Tesla take private is extremely doable.

169.79 MM shares outstanding (@$420 lmaooo tender offer) the equity is valued at $71.3 Bn.

Elon and insiders own ~ 25%

Top 10 institutional holders own ~ 39.4%

They would rollover ~ $46 Bn which leaves us with a $25.3 Bn equity funding gap and about $8 Bn in net debt.

So if the top 10 holders decide to roll over pretty boy Elon only needs to go seek out roughly $30 billion. Pretty damn easy in this market environment. Do you think the recent Tesla - China gigafactory was just coincidence? There's lots of money in china and lots of sovereign wealth funds that could easily eat up the $30Bn funding gap. Tesla $420 EOY

>>10612395
Elon and Larry page could do it just the two of them. Don't even have to go past that. He has been shopping for a year for a take private buyer according to what softbank has said.

The question do you think he found something or is lying. Bears have created the image of a fraudster quack in their mind for who elon is. Bulls believe him.

It doesn't matter if it's easily possible or not. They will just find some reason why it cant happen because big banks didn't know.

>>10612444
Just to add to this

For all the bulls/bears. It just takes 1 bull entity that has the money and there are lots of places with the money. You are betting none made a deal with elon.

>>10612444
I think the question is 2 fold: Has he asked the top institutional holders to roll their equity AND has he secured funding (not inked but soft pledges) for the funding gap. I don't think Elon is putting more money in this. Kek, big banks are retards (t. work at one). We have exposure to Tesla debt and these retards were sitting around saying shit that people in this thread, stocktwits, twitter etc. were saying. None of them did the math to see if it was a possibility or not. My point is that ordinary people give us bankers WAY too much credit.

>>10612495
I don't. I am pretty much all in on tesla portfolio wise. Even coming back in for more stock at 373

>>10612516
Also, I'm not going to be dumping it on a rise tomorrow or something like that. I'm waiting for the squeeze. So the day to day movements on rumors won't matter to me. I just lol at shorts.

I want Spice and Wolf season 3

>>10612395
420 + "Funding secured" does not mean "conditional on 65% stock rolled over" though.

>>10612516
Based and redpilled. I really want to get in on the equity arb b/c I think the deal will go through but there is no fucking way I can get that trade approved

>>10612561
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>>10612495

For "funding secured" to not be fraudulent I think he had to get the top institutions to pledge a rollover AND fill the rest of the funding gap

>>10612581
and why do you think that's the case, given that no formal filings have been done, etc etc etc?

>>10609214

What does anal have to do with trading?

Wait, you get butt fucked by the markets, is that it?

>>10612568
yeah had 70% calls in tesla going into earnings
some as low as bought when tsla 290
Stayed in past 350, watching it touching 339 and so
watched it go to 360 finally on the saudi news
then still in most of the % through it going to 380 and now 370

Pretty insane desu.

>>10612611
O.O me always want anal after bad red day

>>10612619
I posted my reasoning why too. Literally because of pscyh analysis of elon behavior and thinking he had a trump card coming

>>10612476
>>10612395
Begs the question, why now? And why at a premium? I can understand institutions getting bullied because they dont want to lose their investments but theres no reason for someone to tie up 30bil in a company that isn't going to make any money for years. And all it takes is 1 institution to go "nah, fuck you" and the whole thing explodes.

>>10612620
[enemy spotted]

>>10612632
Tuesday this week I was watching it go from highs of 255 the day before to 240s and lower thinking "What the fuck am I waiting for?" on selling the calls.

absolutely insane feeling when it spiked on a 5 minute news cycle of saudi then elon tweet

>>10612597
U wot? if there are email trails and soft confirmations that institutions are rolling over their shares AND that the funding gap from outside parties have been filled then he's not committing fraud against short sellers.

>>10612645
They hit production of 5k a week.

>>10612620
nobody wants you gross tushy

>>10612667
"funding secured" does not mean soft confirmations and magic tricks, come on.

I said this on the 27th on an smg thread

Elon wasnt pumping with the 5k a week push. He was doing it to prove to some other entity they could do production. What we thought of as a pump of stock price, was really him proving to someone else we don't know about or who that he could do it.

Now that they have 5k a week consistent he can flip off the entire market and whoever he had lined up is happy with knowing production is reasonable.

>>10612619
Gahtdamn that is a ballsy move

>>10612645
Because the moment this things gets to FCF even you bet your ass that alt. asset managers and private credit funds will swoop in to offer debt giving a dividend recapitalization to the shareholders. It's effectively a bet on Elon Musk. Risky? yea no shit. But the best professor I had in Uni taught me one thing really well: Don't bet against good management. Now that's subjective for every person, is Elon a good corporate manager? I personally think he is

>>10610309
>HMNY
So I take it investors approve of Lowe's plan of focusing on the people who watch three movies or less per month?

>>10612691
Have you ever worked at a wall street bank before? The entire industry is based upon hand shakes (non binding letters of agreements) and magic tricks ("creative accounting"). You people have too much faith in the system. You saw what happened with the subprime crisis, you've seen rigged elections in the past, for christ sake bribery (lobbying) is legal in our country. You're placing way too much faith in people

>>10612714
>Don't bet against good management.
what about the increasing bleed of directors at TSLA then?
Elon might be a good PR figure but not really a good CEO.

>>10612739
cool story bro. but he has to bring facts, first in the form of an 8-K, then to the SEC. or else.

>>/biz/thread/S10453893

This is how I made fuck tons of money off calls through all the shitstorm, predicting future.

>>10612714
He's good at managing the stock price, not the company. Institutions would only pledge some of their shares though. They get in a room and fix price to fuck the shorts with the remainder.

>>10612774
You lost huge on those 350 Jul calls for being a pig. You didn't even show your face around here until the stock was up again.

>>10612739
>>10612691
To add to that. Lots of people have this notion that all wall street bankers are incredibly smart and are on top of any and all numbers. That is so far from the case that it cracks me the fuck up on a nightly basis. We have fractured and disjointed servers. Sometimes we're not even sure what our net exposure is to a company b/c one system spits out 1 number while another person on another system that other people don't have access to are telling you another thing. Read any articles on Goldman Sach's internal technology servers and how they are old legacy systems put together with fucking shoe laces. Remember this:
https://www.valuescopeinc.com/tesla-solarcity-valuation-error/

I have a friend who knows the analyst that was on the merger model and guess what?! his associate never checked his work, the VP didn't and the ED and MD didn't either. A lot of our global financial system is run on the handshakes of drunk50 yr old boomers and the number crunching done by stressed out 20 year olds wired on drugs.

>>10612801
Sure, but I tripled down later on the same bet. Timing was wrong. I can't know everything with something like this.

What got me was that Elon wasn't pumping for a stock rise, but for production to show to a buyer. It took me too long to figure that out.

>>10612801
Also I sold the 350 call for profit, it was other calls that had a loss but not complete. I somewhat hedged via a rollover.

>>10612807
again, cool story bro.
what does it have to do with anything we're talking about?

Stock markey noob here. I lurk these threads a lot, learning sloooooowly.

Have any of you ever gotten ridiculously lucky/unlucky with a stock you didn't pay attention too? Obviously you want to be on top of shit and predict to the best of your ability, but has anyone here ever gained or lost a lot in a stock they had and ignored?

I'm curious how Musky boy intends to let current shareholders stay on en masse when he takes the company private. I believe the limit is 300 or 500 shareholders at the point of deregistering.
If he was unaware of that rule, I have questions about his use of the phrase "funding secured" to describe a multi-billion dollar deal that apparently no bank has heard of.

>>10612871
I doesn't happen that way you purchase stock for a reason in the first place its not something you just get lucky with. Also this place is horrible for giving advice they were shilling HMNY I think when it was 2 bucks or less and nows its like 7 cents, these guys are degenerate gamblers but they give some okay tips on things.

You would be better off watching youtube investment related videos/documentaries and reading books I have been doing this for a year swing trading. Also the news is always late on reporting opportunities, everything is always the opposite or not as it seems.

In addition learn the fundamentals of basic accounting or reading balance sheets/income statements.

Rite Aid/Albertsons merger failed. Will be interesting to see how RAD reacts tomorrow. Everyone was against the merger.

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>>10611931
interested in this as well, pls hep anon

I’ll make another thread.

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>>10612871
I think the biggest thing you should take away is not to invest unless you have an actual reason to invest in something. You should never be "getting lucky" that implies you didn't do your DD. You should either be right because you made a insightful bet or you were wrong.

I could never imagine forgetting something is in my portfolio, that just doesn't happen.

What would be the good long term growth stock to invest in the entertainment industry?