/biz/ - Business & Finance

Seems right to me: you go to tether if you’re expecting the market to go down

I bet OP has salty mecroeconomic definition to short that has no use outside of the SEC. He’s a faggot - fuck OP

>>10465948
You’re stupid

>>10466214
>>10466182

>Short position = Short selling

Stay poor

>>10466182
>>10466214
SHORTING, or SHORT SELLING by definition implies leverage. You need to borrow to short. If you simply sell the stock or currency you own you are not shorting, you are SELLING.

>>10466319
this but unironically

>>10466319
stupid dummy
TETHER AM ARTIFICIAL USD CONSTRUCT
WHEN YOU BUY TETHER YOU AM BORROWING IMAGINARY USD VALUE

tether 0 leverage short in PUREST SENSE

>>10465948
at least the effect is essentially the same

>>10466338
Kill yourself

>>10465948
The outcome is the same, so the person is right that it isn't shorting, but it is like shorting.

>being so butthurt you make another thread on this

>>10466182
Being bearish is not shorting you retard.

>>10466419

>being so stupid you don't know the difference between the two

>he doesn't short with 0 leverage

>>10466392
The outcome isn't the same at all. When you sell what you hold you close a position and realize profits. When you short you open a new position and only realize profit when you cover. How the fuck are you people this dumb?

>I'm long 100k BTC with 0 leverage
>haven't done anything
See how fucking dumb that sounds?

>>10465948
wew

>>10466458
dummy, when people with large position sizes sell, they are considered "short"

but also you are missing the point that TETHER NOT REAL USD, and by definition when using credit (which tether is) you are shorting

You are wrong on both angles

Its just semantics, I get both sides and i dont care what the fuck you use as long as you understand it correctly.

>>10466500
Strictly speaking shorting is borrowing something and closing it in the future at a hopefully lower price.

However in finance "being short" is also used as "being bearish" or "having no exposure".

>>10466492
They literally aren't considered short. Tether or USD it makes no difference. By your own retarded definition trading on any margin is shorting.

>>10466525
trading on ANY margin am shorting or longing dummy

>>10466525
You are shorting the market with 0 leverage if you're just holding fiat/tether, depending on your point of measurement. Yes that means all the people not exposed to crypto are doing this.

>>10466559
>everyone without a position is short

>>10466582
I suppose this concept is too difficult to understand for your kind

>>10466596
>>10466551
>>10466492

>mfw these retards get BTFO and they still do not know the different between a short and a sell

/biz/ is truly lost.

>>10466596
>>10466633
Just to clarify, note that I said depending on point of measurement. You don't HAVE to measure in usd. Are you starting to slowly understand it yet?

Wouldn’t it be 1x leverage

>>10466596
>my kind
I was a professional futures trader. If someone said they were short bc they were flat they'd be looked at like a retard.

>>10466666
quints of truth

>>10466559
>>10466596
>>10466647
no you insufferable mongoloid SELL != SHORT. the absolute state of this board

>>10466559
This.
>>10466582
You’re the brainlet if you don’t get it. Also, this thread is retarded as it’s just a matter of semantics.

>>10466647
>closing a long position is opening a short position depending on your unit of measurement
wew

>>10466679
Never said this
>>10466688
Never said this
Jesus christ fags, this is starting to get worrying

>>10466680
you're the brainlet if you don't get it lmao. it's not a matter of semantics they're literally completely different

can you semantics fags just admit you understand the principle of what op is saying. and can op and others like him just admit you dont care about using terms accurately? everyone should at least be able to understand ops point is about opportunity cost

This entire thread just gave me cancer y’all some subhuman low iq niggers

>>10466704
>You are shorting the market with 0 leverage if you're just holding fiat/tether
by definition this is selling not shorting, there is a difference, if you don't get it you're retarded

>>10466721
Who fucking says you MUST measure in usd, this really goes to show your level of autism

>>10466741

Literally YOU.

>>10466559
>You are shorting the market with 0 leverage if you're just holding fiat/tether

>>10466662
1x is zero leverage. The op pic does make sense as going 1x short on BTC futures is essentially a USD position.

>>10465948
He's right, dumbfuck

>>10466770
1x is 1x leverage dumdum.

0 leverage would mean 0x AKA Shorting $1MM at 0x leverage means you're short $0

$1MM x 0 = 0

>>10466815
2x is 50% leverage. Leverage is the ratio of debt to your personal equity. Thus going 1x is zero leverage as you are using only personal equity. Dont embarass yourself.

>>10466886
You're wrong. Pull out a calculator and do any number times 0 and tell me what it says idiot.

>>10466886
Also 2x is 300%, do the math. The absolute state of biz...

>>10466933

indeed... but it's still funny when they think they're the ones giving a lesson

>>10466920
>>10466933
1x, 2x, 3x, etc. on futures such as bitmex means your exposure to the underlying asset, on how many "x" you will gain/lose versus zero leverage.
Leverage in a strict sense is the ratio of debt to your equity. for 1x, its zero debt, 2x, its 50% debt, 3x its 66.67% debt. Leverage=debt.

2x is 300%? Wtf?

>>10465948

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>>10467075
>ratio of debt to your equity
Yes, so if you have zero leverage you have zero debt, thus the ratio is 0:1 AKA 0x. 1x leverage means the ratio is 1:1 AKA every dollar of debt has a dollar of equity AKA 50% of your position is debt

>>10467075

Firstly in bitmex your balance is in bitcoin and those are inverse contracts, this is important and not a generality.

This means that by default you are always exposed to the market.
But even in bitmex, if you long 1x you will have 50% debt, try it yourself.

see >>10467132