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depends on your values and what you want out of life

>>10452830
its true. but only if you've already made it and experienced everything else in life.

>>10452838
this, focus on growing yourself in all aspects of life in your early 20s then be a family man late 20s to early 30s

>>10452875
wrong. Maintain fitness throughout.
18-28 fuck drugs degen life
28 - 37 mature get wealthy search for younger partner
37 - 45 have kids, become coach, have suburban threesomes

>>10452875
How does one grow in their 20s?

What does one focus on?

>Anon you absolute faggot
You don't have kids to be happy.
You start a family to fill up the massive emptiness of life

>>10453013
>28 - 37 mature get wealthy search for younger partner


The problem with this is that any girl you find that is younger than you will be extremely immature and very hard to settle down with cause they wont be able to carry any kind of deep conversation with you. If you find a girl your age or older which is great for conversation and companionship, they most likely have a couple bastards already.

>>10453059
Thats why its a search and not a tinder swipe. They exist you must search. Young women between the range of 23 - 28 are the ideal match.

>>10452830
>"Don't fall for the having kids meme"
This one is wrong. Just don't be a retard and have kids when you're poor, have kids with a psycho bitch, or let your wife work.

>>10452830
Financially and socially if you have kids with the wrong woman you will easily destroy your entire life

This stuff could be easy to shrug off in the past but you're playing roulette with modern women if you don't know what signs to look out for

For a start, no hymen no diamond.

You will never understand if you dont do it. It will change you to the point where money become the least important thing in your life. Its normal that now you only see you, yourself, money and your own future as the most important thing. But that will change the moment you touch your daugter/son.

>>10453082
>or let your wife work

Why is this bad? I've found women who are willing to give up their jobs and become housewives have the worst fucking personalities ever, plus they're way more likely to cheat on you while you're away.

>>10453083
>no hymen no diamond

That's fine and good for girls below ~21 yo, most girl above that age that are actually still virgins have actual personality disorders in my experience. Of course that doesn't mean you should marry sluts, but 2-3 previous partners isn't really that bad, it's just normal.

>>10453013
wrong. find your sweetheart in high school and settle down and marry her.

It's a proven fact that people who are degenerates and engage in casual sex cannot hold a relationship to save their lives. They always think the grass is greener.

>>10453695
Not true.

Degenerate here who is married with a kid. I have sex with others all the time. Wife supports it. Our relationship takes priority. If someone else has an issue or gets jealous, we can work it out or i cut them loose. Wife does the same.

>>10453044
Most succesful men use to post on 4Chan a lot.

>>10453761
You aren't in love, trust me. Unless you both met when you were young, there is no better love than two virgins who meet in high school. Hookup culture is gross.

>>10453083
>t.incel

Kids are amazing and fulfilling, but choose the right wife... if you’re not a team you’re doomed

t. 40 year old boomer divorced with 2 kids

Truth bomb. If you don't for religious reasons abstain from meaningless sex and marry young to a similar thinking Virgin then you will married for decades with a whore who sucked and swallowed many guys cumload.

Have a nice day. I chose a Virgin myself.

>>10453840

I'm guessing you didn't find a virgin to marry young.

As any living being, humans are first and foremost designed to reproduce. Not everyone is the same, but the average human will be happy when it fulfills what it was designed to do. I.e: Have sex and kids, become esteemed among its peers and so on.

People who claim otherwise are only coping because they are failing.

>>10452830
Neither are wrong. It’s about what you want out of life. If having a family ultimately makes you feel complete and happy then that is your path. If having no kids and living your life to the ultimate self pleasure then that is your path. But figure out your path and stick to it. I wouldn’t recommend someone who wants to party and live up life to them feel “forced” to have a family because that’s how children grow up in disfunctional families and end up in abusive situations. Vice versus yatta yatta yatta.

>>10453877
With that bitter falsehood I'm guessing you can taste guys cum on your wife's tongue when you kiss her.

>>10453048
I thought you force yourself to have children at the behest of your bored, retired parents begging for grandchildren.

My sun is unironically the most rewarding thing ever in my life desu

>>10452836
>depends on your values and what you want out of life

People that want stuff and holidays are morally corrupt

>>10453013
>wrong. Maintain fitness throughout.
>18-28 fuck drugs degen life
>28 - 37 mature get wealthy search for younger partner
>37 - 45 have kids, become coach, have suburban threesomes

Drugs are degen. Neighbourhood of Super-gonorrhea is advancement.

KYS NOW

>>10453013

>have "fun" with your life (ie just acting like a child for an extra 20 years)
>have kids when you're 40 and can only produce defective autists and retards

I wish I knew what I was like to live in a civilization that isnt filled with retards and overgrown children.

>>10454675
The genetic quality of male sperm increases over time.

>>10454132
Is he radiating?

>>10453392
>they're way more likely to cheat on you while you're away.
There is a very huge difference between married to the one that love u and a roasties who just want to fuck and your money. If u fail for the roasties then u are a retard, don't blame for anything else mate.

>Start a dating profile
>Put that I may be interested in having kids
>Get contacted by a bunch of single mother sluts about to hit the wall that expect me to care for their Chadspawn

Fuck this I'll just remain incel

>>10453044
jelqing is good for growth

>>10454693
>genetic quality of male sperm increases over time.

I just googled that cause I'd never heard it before. It is 100% the opposite case as you would expect. Why the hell would an old man make better jizz than a more virile and young man?

>>10454723
Online dating and tinder just a bunch of roasties and bitches with no responsibility. I'm sorry but u have to go outside and find your half .

My girlfriend and I arent having kids (29 & 31) but I'm a transsexual so I couldn't if I wanted to. Still though, more money for cryptos, more time for doing whatever we want, more peace and fucking quiet. Oh and our bodies aren't gonna be wrecked through our 30s onward so there's that.

Hope y'all love your children, if not theyll resent you and turn out shit :)

>>10452830
The don't have kids meme lead you to destruction or being dominated by people who did have kids. So have kids is the better option.

>>10453044
Gaining skills and developing relationships.

>>10452830
I only wanted a better life for us, Momoko-chan. I think Link will come through. Please give me another chance. 申し訳ありません。

>>10452830
Happiness breeds complacency. Complacency breeds failure. Only the paranoid survive.

>>10452830
the entire goal of life is to find a suitable woman who will give you strong children.

>>10453761
>I have sex with others all the time.
You are part of the problem

>>10454019
>the average human will be happy when it fulfills what it was designed to do

doesn't follow. happiness doesn't necessitate reproduction. it's possible to be happy without having reproduced, and it's possible to be miserable while having reproduced.

Both are in the wrong. Don't let anyone tell you how to live your fucking life.

You can only be truly happy if you start a family with Momoko-chan.

You can live forever through children. Basic instinct for all aninals is to pass on their genetic code. Not doing that is failure not only for you but you're failing all your ancestors who passed their genes on. Stop being selfish and have a family.

>>10456243
You can't live forever through children. And it's also my instinct to hunt and kill animals but I haven't killed a single animal in my life. Am I a failure?

>>10454787
>our bodies aren't gonna be wrecked through our 30s onward so there's that.

Having children is proven to increase a persons life expectancy. There are a lot of physiological and psychological changes that parenthood brings about. Some people would argue that they're important.

different for everyone. other women want kids. other women want a dog

you must have kids

naturally

faggots are touched by their uncles

society will never grow with homos

you must breed with women and have household

if not you are weak same as autist

kys

>>10452830
pic source? who is she?

>>10456595
Spoken like a true alt-furry /polack

gays exist because they are touched by uncles at a young age

the excuse is

I was born gay

fggts

>>10456602
/biz/'s waifu Momoko-chan

>>10456243
No, you don't "live forever." I always furrow my brow when breeders delude themselves with this idea.

Your kid is 1/2 "you." Their kid's kid is 1/4th you. Their kid's kid is 1/16th you. Their kids kid is 1/32nd you. By then "you" are pretty much gone, diluted to irrelevance by whoever your descendants fucked.

And "you" don't fucking matter. You are not special. You and all of your ancestors are the universe's accidental cumstain.

>stop being selfish and engage in empty, moronic genetic narcissism like a mindless animal.

>>10453695
The truth is that all women are disappointments, true happiness comes from consistent sex, house maintainence, and raising nigger hating children in your image.

The sooner you realize your ideal women doesn’t exist the sooner you can move onto attainable goals. I think modern media has pushed young people to believe in “soul mates” or the “perfect partner” in an effort to dismantle the cultural identity of America. It keeps 20-30s in a perpetual mating rat race that results in large chunks of millenials never getting married or having children. Lots of “cat babies” these days.

>>10452830
Statistically speaking people who have children report more fulfilment in their lives, and lead longer lives overall.
Once you hit 45-50 there's really not much fun for you. Clubs are for young people. Unless you're loaded, or you go to Thailand all the time, you become further and further trapped in your own little bubble without a family. And eventually you become old, possibly single, and there is literally nobody to take care of you besides a paid caretaker, a jamaican or pajeet RNA at the nursing home who beats you, or if you're really lucky some upstanding younger person you've befriended will help you out.

Married man here.

Accept that any community with self-respect gives a special place of honor (implicitly) to Fathers. Very few males without children can actually command respect (only those of the "mage", i.e. very intellectual/religious leader, can command respect without children).

Realize that 95% of your psychology is geared towards reproduction and maintaining your bloodline in the strongest way possible. You can take your resources for other places, but you are going to feel fully unlocked ONLY in this context.

Example. You have two men, both 30. One with four children, one without children. The father may have the exact same experiences and qualities as the childless man, but he also has things IN ADDITION to that. The childless man though, there will always be something that he doesnt get.

Fathers are more redpilled, there are things that they know about life and women that childless men will never get.

Fathers know, not only in their brains but with a very deep knowledge, how we come to be. What a human is like when they are one week, one month, one year. What humans are like psychologically, what its like to care for humans. Fathers has seen all that can be seen of life, it makes us more steady, reliable, rugged. Like a ship that doesnt detract from its path. Our voices commands from the perspective of a more total position. Non-fathers are more like funny guys at best, they vibe more like "have a cold one" and are like stray cats in that they can move from place to place, just being a presence of a somewhat limited principle of assertion and maleness ("you look good tonight, sweetie").

Fathers are not like that, we are more severe. Like Mufasa in the Lion King. Not all of course, but we have this potential. The only way to be like that, is to be tried and tested by women, to stand the test of selection, to provide in hard times and be faithful.

The women knows who is who. The only question here is, do you? If so - who do you want to be?

Getting kids are the goal, but don't get a partner before you're 30.
>Enjoy your 20s and get money
>Settle for 20-23 year old womyn when you hit 30
>Have kids

>>10456621
which book is this I have the proofing your house for militia attacks page but that is it.

>>10456657
You're so right dude.
I've broken up with probably 5-6 girls who I could easily now see myself having married, because I expected them to share my musical tastes and like video games. Biggest fucking waste of my 20s. I could have settled down with this Russian chick who I started dating when she was 15 and I was 17 as soon as she got out of high school, and we'd probably have several kids by now.

>>10453695
>It's a proven fact that people who are degenerates and engage in casual sex cannot hold a relationship to save their lives. They always think the grass is greener.
This is true. I've seen it played it with some of the lads and lasses I went to high school with
>>10456657
This is something all anons need to comes to terms with.
I have a criteria based on genetics and loose social themes. Since most women have nearly the same personality in general (save their attitudes either being optimistic or pessimistic) it doesn't really matter how much they like dogs, traveling, shopping, reading, etc. Because to a certain degree, they all do.
I just want a girl who wont screw my family line.
>Christian
>Blonde, brown, or black hair
>Blue eyes preferable
>European
>Healthy
>No hereditary issues known
>No siblings with massive genetic problems, nor parents
>No explicit approval of thug culture
>Wants to have children
She can even be on the medium side of the Burger scale in terms of weight. That's even better for child birth. If a girl really has an ambition to be a mother, then muh dick gets turned to 11.

>>10452830
Honestly I tend toward the former but I find it hard to comprehend not feeling empty if I still think that in my late 30s

mid 20s btw

>>10456730
The Self-Sufficient Life and How to Live It

I think having children may be fulfilling because you learn to love someone else with unconditional love (vs loving yourself or fickle women) and discipline them into adults you can be proud of.
I don’t know what incentive there is for women to have children though (other than locking down a chad/ muh benefits argument) which seems kind of shallow

>>10452830
Which opinion have the Jews promoted since the 60s?

>>10452830
the people having kids are fucking wrong. the only people who have kids are losers with nothing to look forward to in life, so what do they do? fuck and have kids(and the kids have no say about being born in this shit society and the possibility of birth defects) like low IQ animals and piss away all their money instead of living their lives out with their spouse and furthering their hobbies.

>>10456243
and then you have brain dead boomers like this guy who says you shouldn't be selfish but probably don't give a shit about the economy or the environment which will eventually cause mass starvations and a massive drop in quality of life due to how much of a bubble we're in. truth is that there hasn't been a real long bear market(40 years and going, the dotcom and 08 flash crash were just minor bumps, snips in the whole bubble) nor political movements to correct for negative externalities like pollution and we're on bought time(look at the debts owed across the world and how bad the environment is now, food supply, water supply, air, etc)

>>10457049
>>10457089
Hear hear.

Let's get some more blackpills in this thread.

>>10454753
Not true at all. There's a chunk of girls in there worth. Usually they give it away with their prudeness, they literally run away from any sexual innuendo

In my opinion u gotta keep it open. while having a online dating service as your main way to meet girls is not ideal, you shouldn't shut it down.

>>10456711
>One with four children, one without children. The father may have the exact same experiences and qualities as the childless man, but he also has things IN ADDITION to that.

No shit, obviously if you take two people that are exactly the same with the exception that one is a father, then the father will have had more experiences. That's like saying if you take two people that are exactly the same besides the fact that one has hit his own dick with a hammer and the other has not, then the hammer dick one has more experience. It's true, but it's an irrelevant point.

>Fathers are more redpilled, there are things that they know about life and women that childless men will never get.
>athers know, not only in their brains but with a very deep knowledge, how we come to be. What a human is like when they are one week, one month, one year. What humans are like psychologically, what its like to care for humans.

Why is it that women will never get that knowledge about life when women look after the child more than the father does?

>Fathers has seen all that can be seen of life, it makes us more steady, reliable, rugged. Like a ship that doesnt detract from its path. Our voices commands from the perspective of a more total position.
>Fathers are not like that, we are more severe. Like Mufasa in the Lion King. Not all of course, but we have this potential. The only way to be like that, is to be tried and tested by women, to stand the test of selection, to provide in hard times and be faithful.

A bunch of flowery language that really means nothing, just like your whole post.

>>10457049
>>10457089
>the people having kids are fucking wrong. the only people who have kids are losers with nothing to look forward to in life
You must be fucking joking. Furthering your hobbies and fucking is the most empty life you can imagine. Do you even know older guys who are unmarried? They're depressed, pathetic losers and wastes of air.

>>10457149
uh dip shit, marriage is not the same as having kids. also these "older guys who are unmarried" tend to be like the incels on subreddits like trp, they're not the ones who have hobbies and spend most of their time crying about how they're lonely still wage slaving at a dead end job.

>>10457149
I guarantee you I could easily make a list of men without children that you'd consider to be "great" in one way or another.

>>10457167
Please do, I'd like to see it.

>>10457194
Isaac Newton
Friedrich Nieztche
Plato
Aristotle
Beethoven
George Washington
Leonardo
Michelangelo
Spinoza
Kiekegaard
Alfred Nobel
Tesla
Voltaire
Kant

I could do a bunch of modern ones too but that's probably enough.

>>10454587
This. These were the greedy little children who were never told 'no' by their parents. The kid that would scream until they got sweets or the little prick who would do stuff like pic related

>>10453059
>any girl you find that is younger than you will be extremely immature and very hard to settle down with cause they wont be able to carry any kind of deep conversation with you
Not to sound like an egotistical asshole, but this is the experience I have talking with everyone, so it wouldn't change anything.

>>10453818
>Kids are amazing and fulfilling, but choose the right wife... if you’re not a team you’re doomed

This, selfish, woman with lack of team is making me regret the last 3 yrs of my life. Not feeling the having kid is great vibe... Pitty I did all the 'right' things, but should have fucked around a lot more when young... I took everything so serious I lost my own desire for life, and have no fulfilment from anything, sex, work, kids all is just a fucking shit... And im to pussy to kms... So much fail... I lived my life for others and regret it all.

>>10457167
>I could easily make a list of men without children that you'd consider to be "great"
Sure, there are plenty of them. 100 great men doesn't mean the virtual entirety of the rest of the unmarried old men are living lives that aren't shit. Great men are often unhappy.

>>10453013
basically this
>>10453059
virgin

>>10456650
this is why you now have shit like tinder


Putin said gay does not work


Putin has spoken


Stop questioning

>>10452830
If you’re an autistic incel NEET then the “don’t fall for the having kids meme” is correct for you. The gene poll/ the future of humanity will be better off if you don’t have kids. Otherwise, having kids is a great emotional investment (just don’t get them when you’re very young).

Don't have kids we are fucking too many on earth.

>>10456754
The problem is, how the fuck are you going to get to know if their relatives have genetic issues or shit like that. I don't think you can bring that up during your first dinner. Then you'll have to come up with it later down the road and it will be extremely awkward to dump her because of that...

and real the question is: why should i spend time on anyone but myself?
having kids is an antiquated boomer meme. the paradigm has changed. but why some peopl trying to convince you otherwise? because misery loves company. same as drug users try to make you shoot a needle - they are afraid to take the fall alone. same as breeders they have weak power of will and are easily memed.

>>10456754
>christian
I came here to laugh at you.

>>10454132
I concur, don't forget to praise the sun daily

>>10454132
Really? I fucking hate that piece of shit. Everytime I go outside I scowl at that literal eyesore. I can't wait until pollution blocks out the sun and we really on artificial lighting exclusively.

>>10453809
This is true.
t. 25 yo in a 8 years relationship with my qt classmate at highschool. We were both virgins when se started.

>>10453809
>I know you relationship better than you do
Love is just chemicals in the fucking brain anyway, who cares?

>>10452830

considering the average age of this board, you should probably discard both

>>10457707
You still didn't marry I guess. She must be a great risk-taker if she's ok with than. Not mother material.

>>10457775
Marriage is the gayest fucking meme that society ever made.

Every option apart from living as an internet recluse is throwing your life on the roulette wheel of liberal, misandric decadence and subjecting yourself to the animalistic paradigm and toxic psychology of western society.

Get rich enough to quit work, find somewhere reclusive to live and enjoy a life away from animalistic human society then await the technological singularity. Having children now is essentially redundant as genomics will result in people being able to make themselves completely genetically distinct from their ancestors. Your grandchildren will have no biological ties to you that are closer than any other random human.

Like I say, people are sleepwalking through life not understanding how technology is about to bring the animal phase of humanity to an abrupt end.

>>10452830
The only thing that's clear to me is that most opinions you'll read on this board will come from not parents. Like if you're actually happy you probably don't need to argue it or explain it. Just because people are talking about something with a relative amount of freedom doesn't mean they can reason their way to truth. Basically, don't search for proof about who's right just try to put in your life what you need. I'm on the side that family people lead more fulfilling lives in general but you're going to have to choose to give up some things for others.

>hurr durr you'll be a sad old man!!
Walk into literally any nursing home. As a percentage, exactly how many of the sad invalid shitbags that you see in there failed to reproduce? Very few of them, and yet they all end up in places like this. None of them look particularly happy

I refuse to be relegated to the position of a suburban provider dad, forced to work until 70 to pay off the mortgage and my retarded cunt of a wife's consumerist habits
only to ride out a few more years on social security before ending up in the exact same place
you and your fulfillment can kiss my ass, bucko

>>10457866
>you need to be a parent to have an opinion on something

retard, I don't need to put my hand in a fire to know that fire is dangerous. also, it's not like we weren't children before, or that we can't look at our relatives for first hand examples of why having children is what brainlets do. from personal experience, all my relatives from one side of my family were top 1% due to stocks but then fell for the marriage and have children meme(my family is asian) and now they pretty much threw away 20 years of their lives living paycheck by paycheck to pay up for their kids. and guess what, now that their fortune is pissed away and they're old, they will no longer enjoy life like before. all this to gamble that your children will somehow be as successful or more successful and not do some degenerate shit down the line or just straight up discontinue the bloodline like I will be is fucking retarded.

>>10453808
Who

>>10456650
You’re wrong. Every person on earth has a unique genetic make up. When someone doesn’t reproduce that unique genetic make up is lost in time forever. Successfully combining all genetic make ups in the world by encouraging everyone to have 1 child for each parent, we will create a population with better stronger genes than previous generations . This is the meaning of life. This is what helps civilizations reach enlightenment and made all the greatest philosopher scientists and athletes of our time.

>>10458435

It's also made completely redundant with genetic engineering.

>>10457974
I'm not a father either, but the lives of most parents I know don't look that hellish to me, everyone's trapped on his own life. Like I said, I don't think being happy is not something that can be "reasoned" being smart has nothing to do with it.