/biz/ - Business & Finance

How does this help any of us?

>>10226087
now you know why we got a bear market.

>>10226099
>knowing economic conditions in advance isn't helpful

Anon....you seriously are not going to make it.

Trump is fucking everything

#notmypresident

how can we profit off this

good. maybe now china will cut us a fair trade deal.

>>10226099
It doesn't.

What a champ

>>10226129
China will break and negotiate sooner or later. They have more to lose

>>10226115
>#
>#socialmediabullshit

Fuck off normalfag trash. KYS. Go back to Tumblr and Facebook where shit like you belongs, filthy human waste.

>>10226115

> #notmypresident

GET THE FUCK OUT THEN, FAGGOT

>>10226149
No, they won't.

>>10226149
???

The average American has more to lose than the average Chinese. In every metric.

You think the average Chink buys *anything* from the US?

>>10226087

> Basedbeans
> Basedbean
> Basedbea
> Basedbe
> Soyb
> Onions

> Onions

Lol

>>10226160
>>10226162

fuck off back to pol

>>10226087
hope you faggots bought gold because we're entering another recession soon

>>10226087
> S o y b e a n s

Lol

>>10226087
> China hitting the us where it hurts: basedbeans

LOL fuck the basedboys.

>cnn
go back to /x/

>>10226087
> S o y b e a n s

>>10226179
What do you think will happen when less of the Chinese junk gets purchased in the U.S.? It’s not going to end well with the Chinese.

>>10226179
Should we do nothing about the horrendous trade deficit?

>>10226115
>implying you have any idea what's going on

>>10226179
Who do you think China needs buying their crap and what will happen when their crap becomes more expensive?

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>>10226099
People will be more thoughtful of what they buy because many products will become more expensive. This results in less trash going to the landfills.

THE SOI WARS

F

>>10226259
more like people will buy less new shit because we will cut out the middle men in every instance of daily life so we will all be able to sell our old shit and buy other people's old shit for what it is actually worth as opposed to what gamestop or playitagainsports or car dealerships are willing to pay

>>10226179
Do you know big of a trade deficit the US has with China? Do you really think China has nothing to lose? Of course you don't think because you're a little soi faggot

I LOVE THIS GUY

>>10226122
Short Walmart. They purchase more from China than most nations. That store needs to die anyway. It’s one of the most wasteful boomer creations ever.

>>10226087
lel all those MAGA redneck farmers are going to get rekt

>>10226179
are you fucking dumb? who's gonna buy all that chink shit then? Americans can always buy cheap shit from other shithole countries other than the chinks, but who's gonna buy all that stuff the chinks can't sell to the US anymore?

OK, so let me guess the problem here: the US doesn't sell shit to china, while importing a shitload of manufactured product from there (mostly like every other country in this planet)
what trump wants to do is to apply tariffs on goods imported from china, to "balance" trade, i.e., the amount of money the US gets vs what it sends to china

one little problem I can see with these tariffs is: the ones who get the most money when selling goods are usually the middle men, the distributors, and not the manufacturers.
sure, chinese factories will suffer, because demand from their biggest (probably) client, the US, will fall a LOT, but what will happen to the retailers? what about those who need to buy parts from china?

if what trump really wants is to force factories to move to, say, india, then the problem becomes the fact that they probably don't really have the workforce necessary for that, and that it will take a LOT of time to replace chinese factories...

if what trump really wants is to force factories to move to the US, then shit will probably still be a lot more expensive than buying from china, except for expensive stuff that already requires advanced technology, and can be automated. but that won't generate many jobs at home...

honestly, I don't see how the US will benefit from this. and I'm OK with that, I want to see the US fall and destroy itself because of its infinite greed.

>>10226187
>/pol/tards accuse one each other of being jews
>the US is the 2nd country with the most jews in the world

>/pol/tards accuse one each other of being s0yb0ys
>the US literally produces and sells onions

>>10226149
Dude, they survived the Great Leap Forward, they can survive 4 or 8 years of Trump just fine. They are never going bend.

>>10226325

Youre a know nothing idiot, bet you think mexicans do all the farming do ya?
Leave youre house you faggot

Is it time to invest in basedbean?
> BUY THE DIP?

>>10226357
Who's gonna buy all your basedbeans and pork if not China?

>>10226202
that Chinese junk will flood other Western markets, who will in turn put up tarriffs (see Canada being forced to put tarriffs on Chinese steel, simply because all of the steel headed for the US got redirected to the Canadian market)

(China gets hurt)

Then other Western countries put up more tarriffs against the US to try and resolve the situation and force America to the negotiating table

(The US gets hurt)

Gaming it out and pretending that somebody will win is naive. The entire world is about to lose, massively, and pretty much equally -- the first country to blink is going to be the one that's the most politically unstable and unprepared for economic hardships.

That's why the US would lose. The US is politically fractured already, the domestic media is subversive and will not support the tarriffs, and even those two things aside -- the US is effectively controlled by corporate interests. This is not in corporate interests.

An international trade war will either not happen (this is all a bluff, nobody takes it seriously outside of Reddit) or is a misdirection and will be over very quickly (a few tarriffs are exchanged and then a new trade agreement is quietly signed to effectively replace the TPP)

>>10226087
Oil just barted hard

>>10226384
>see Canada being forced to put tarriffs on Chinese steel, simply because all of the steel headed for the US got redirected to the Canadian market
why would they do that? they could easily resell that steel to US consumers, or buy it, keep it and attract US factories... couldn't they?

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>>10226376
basedbeans?
You mean so󠁿󠁿󠁿ybeans?

>>10226182

/pol/ is family, so fuck off to reddit. Libtard orc.

>>10226424

no. buying everything that china sends you and hoping to resell it, with markup, to the country that just initiated a trade war is a terrible business move for any state -- first of all it would destroy domestic industries, second of all, it would violate existing trade agreements, and of course even if it didn't, the tarriffs would obviously just be shifted to the country attempting to resell the goods

here's what happens: (already happened)

stuff headed for the US instead gets redirected to other countries, flooding their markets with cheap goods

other countries are forced to implement tarriffs to protect their own industries from a market that is now vastly over-supplied.

then more retaliatiory tarriffs happen. it's a loop.

if history repeats itself, eventually the world economy grinds to a halt for a decade or so and a major war starts (may not be related)

>>10226099
More people will buy locally which keeps money circulating inside the country rather than outside.

>>10226087
ohhh shiet no more walmart or dollah store cheap stuff.
Chinese are used to starvation for the last centuries and amerifats throw a fit when they dont get enough vicodins mwahahaha

>>10226510
It does not work like that anon.
Buying locally is good but having more dollars is not - you amerifats will know the bitter taste of inflation, rising interest rates and no more cheap chinese shit

>>10226500
>other countries are forced to implement tarriffs to protect their own industries from a market that is now vastly over-supplied.
from https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/canadian-coalition-for-construction-steel-urges-caution-on-tariffs-quotas-on-non-us-steel-687747661.html

>Canada's construction sector is vital to the Canadian economy, employing nearly 1.2 million Canadians, making it the largest employment sector for Canada's middle class. The industry depends heavily on imported steel products. Canada's steel producers only have the capacity to supply roughly 50% of Canadian demand for construction steel. Canada has historically relied on the United States for half of the remaining demand. For the rest, Canada has always needed and will continue to need steel imported from outside of North America. That need is more acute than ever now that U.S. imports are subject to Canadian retaliatory tariffs.
they could replace steel from the US with chinese steel...
granted, it could be that the quality of chinese steal sucks, but then it could be an opportunity for 3rd countries to join china in replacing US steel

>>10226149
China only has to overcome some years of recession and mass suicide of poorfags.

US will be destroyed single handed by the debts China is holding. How much? Like 3T of 20T. Good luck burgerfags.

I would be OK if he actually declared war on the Chinese.

Fuck them and fuck globalists.

omfg so many fucking idiots. I hope they are being paid. These tariffs are pretty great. US let China join the WTO because the accepted wisdom at the time was that improving economic conditions would force their country to reform and stop treating people like shit. Well, it didn't happen, so the strategy has to change or we're all going to end up spied on 24/7 with social media scores and people disappearing without notice.

This is the best thing I've seen since sliced bread.
>China is hitting the us where it hurts: basedbeans
Good we don't need no fucking basedboys.

Hint for the retards: Trump is trying to make the US as independent as possible before the incoming debt collapse.

>>10226567
>fuck globalists
are you joking? the US is the #1 globalist (UK is #2) shill on earth. your government has literally been promoting global trade (by the force) for many decades and even centuries

>>10226570
>Well, it didn't happen, so the strategy has to change or we're all going to end up spied on 24/7 with social media scores and people disappearing without notice

What is PRISM? Nobody cares about anything online. You are a fucking mongolian brainlet

>>10226567
China hasn't done anything wrong to be invaded. They've been playing by your trade rules and now you faggots can't compete

You burgers are fucked! Can't wait to see you shithole crash and burn, the whole world hates you

>>10226594
The difference is in the USA you talk about PRISM, you go on national tv. Talk about China's equivalents in the PRC? You just disappear.

>>10226592

Not anymore faggot.

>>10226087
less onions for the USA

>>10226606
>Talk about China's equivalents in the PRC? You just disappear.
is this what americans are being told 24/7?

>>10226611
>Not anymore faggot.
HAHAHAHA
m8, your govt literally depends on the money your globalized multinational companies make by taking advantage of retards at home and overseas. if they suddenly can't buy cheap shit from china to resell elsewhere, they will be completely, absolutely fucked
meanwhile, the chinese will just keep selling shit from aliexpress or whatever shit, and probably will export their own companies as replacement of jew-american companies

>>10226627
also... the big tech companies (Google, Apple, etc.) have LOTS of money overseas that they won't be sending back to the US because of taxes... and now they will probably move most of their shit elsewhere!

honestly wtf has happened to americans?
you guys use to have a bunch of anti establishment anti guberment militias and now they are all pro trump pro zionist
did you guys really get the sheet pulled over you and cant see by the illusion of the establishment president you’re stuck with, where your freedoms are still stripped from you daily but you’re more concerned about triggering “libtards”
have you done 5 minutes of research into kushner and his family at least

>>10226314
Economies of scale actually increase efficiency

What uses more fuel per product sold, one big truck delivering things to Walmart or a bunch of smaller trucks delivering tiny shipments to small stores?

>>10226637
This is what fascism is! It parades in front of you while pretending to be something else.

>>10226570
>US let China join the WTO because the accepted wisdom at the time was that improving economic conditions would force their country to reform and stop treating people like shit.

This is true. The US opened up China as a play against the USSR and believed that increased trade with China would be of mutual benefit to both China and the US. It was of mutual benefit overall, but it fucked up US manufacturing. China did modernize, and the US did make money overall, albeit at a large social cost to certain demographics.

>the strategy has to change or we're all going to end up spied on 24/7 with social media scores and people disappearing without notice.

This is not true. This is simply what you think will happen. Continuing to trade with China will not lead Chinese techno-authoritarianism being implemented in the US, I have no idea how you came up with this.

Chinese communism is actually more destabilized by expanding the Chinese middle class -- the greater the divide between the Chinese middle class (which is a minority that only exists in the affluent coastal areas with access to sea trade routes) and the billions of peasants that occupy most of the country, the greater the need for communism -- democracy would empower the peasants against the middle class minority. That's why China has always needed authoritarianism, totalitarianism, or communism -- it's an economic necessity due to geography and population density. Only by expanding the Chinese middle class to include a greater proportion of the peasants (incentivizing them to move to the urban areas, growing the size of the economy overall, etc), could lead to a situation where Chinese democracy could actually be implemented

>>10226652
it parades in front of you while pretending to be something

ftfy

>>10226206
Why can no democrat answer this??

>>10226652
the current state of america is even more insidious than facism
something very bad is on the way

>>10226677
Not a democrat, but let me try:

because talking to anyone who thinks a "trade deficit" is meaningful is a waste of time?

You realize that you, personally, have a trade deficit with the grocery store, right? Does this mean you should stop buying groceries...?

>>10226179
> China quits stealing our IP
> no more $34 tablets $29 microwaves
> everyone in the U.S. has jobs

I'm ok with this

>>10226684
Stop trying to scare me

>>10226677
This is completely a wrong question to ask at this moment. Chinese economy might collapse, which would in turn create chaos around the world. Who cares about a small trade deficit, when there is a much bigger problem in the air, another globsl recession.

>>10226179
You guys know the average person knows more about arcane net neutrality laws than the tariffs right? All Trump has to do is snap his fingers at a Trump rally and 160 million people will buy literally 0% Chinese goods.

>>10226709
> oil at $80 a barrel
> muh recession

>>10226709

It all needs to be burnt down to create the new american empire.

>>10226731
We have 3d automation and are close to automating everything. This lil nudge may be the big U.S. technology boom as the dollars that were funneling into Chinese political labor camps gets pumped into pragmatic innovation with US borders (plus more tax money for "muh social programs)

>>10226637
my freedoms are fine. why do you foreigners obsess over my country anyway?

>>10226727
Every recession is different. That is what makes them so hard to predict. Oil price doesn't have to be a factor this time at all. Also, the recession hasn't started yet.

>>10226637
This fascinates mr about Americans.
I guess you really have to be an external observer to see it. Maybe if we were Americans we would be blind to it too.

>china is hitting the US where it hurts, basedbeans
kek

>>10226479
basedbeans

>>10226731
>>10226738
>they think this will benefit the US
HAHAHAHAHAHA the amount of delusion, these mutts...

>>10226786
wtf are you talking about?

>>10226087
great, a new consumption tax on american citizens, surely this will make america more prosperous.

>>10226087
Doing it on purpose

>>10226815
Read the post I replied to.

>>10226784
>the 2008 recession hasn't ended yet
ftfy

>>10226826
yeah, i did. it's pretty vague. "anti-establishment militias".
Did you expect us to overthrow the IRS when trump was elected? to suddenly declare war on israel?

This is interesting. https://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/united-states/article/2154767/why-trumps-trade-war-calls-dignified-restraint

The english version of the Chinese propaganda machine, suggests that China will allow this tariff without retaliation. Which is going to be strong for the dollar, weak for gold. Bad for Walmart, and to be honest good for U.S. based businesses and manufacturing.

guess foreigners just want to call americans stupid and go back to sucking their own cocks
brainless parrots

>>10226859
Did you read it?
>The english version of the Chinese propaganda machine
Your article is written by a Harvard professor. In the US. It's not the official policy of the Chinese government, it's an editorial written by an elite Westerner.

Of course China will retaliate. So will every other country in the world

>>10226883
they'll retaliate by putting tariffs of their own.
oh wait

>>10226087
STINKY LINKYS DONT STAY STINKY FOR LONG

THEY GET HOPE FROM THE STINKY LINKY SONG

STINKY LINKYS DONT STAY STINKY FOR LONG

THEY GET HOPE FROM THE STINKY LINKY SONG

>>10226533
This, unfortunately.

>>10226883
But then that's the point!
If Free Trade is so great and tariffs so bad then why is every country rushing to retaliate? It's almost like free trade is just bullshit.

>>10226567
This guy has been watching too much Alex Jones.

>>10226913
>don't you get it tariffs hurt the domestic population more than they help
>fuck you trump we will put up our own tariffs too!

>>10226357
>insults someone's intelligence
>doesn't know the difference between "your" and "you're"

I bet you hold Link

>>10227124
Do you not understand the concept of appeasement?

>>10227191
Am eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind

>>10227218
Not if you blind them first.

>>10226589
This. The next global financial crisis will start in China. It's time to disconnect and prepare.

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>>10226327
>implying american consumers will switch to locally produced goods over cheap goods from overseas
Even with tariffs locally produced shit will always be more expensive.
American industry isn't even competitive vs european industry and eurofags have 10$/hour<minimum wage.

>>10226496
That picture is literally the gayest thing I've ever seen.

>>10227191
See >>10227130
The fact that countries are retaliating proves that the idea that tariffs hurt a country is bullshit, otherwise they wouldn't be retaliating.

>>10226859
>to be honest good for U.S. based businesses and manufacturing.
The FED noted in its report than since the trump tariffs started industrial investments in the US had entirely stopped.

>>10227308
I hope you understand the idea of tariffs hurting your country is because the other country will retaliate with it's own tariffs.

>>10227308
In the case of the US, Both tariffs hurt the US economy.
Exports from China to the US are done in a large majority by US companies, and exports from the US to China are also done by US companies.

>>10227270
Yes. China is already fragile as fuck with all their debt and before they never had to face a real recession with loss of general welfare and not just decrease in growth.
Everything there in levered up to the max. They will go the way of Turkeys economy imho. and then all these entitled chinks who didn't know they lived in a economic bubble are going to get very angry at the government..

>>10227339
Compared to their economy, China has a much lower debt than the USA, and less leveraged too. I say they'll be fine.

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STINKY LINKYS DONT STAY STINKY FOR LONG

THEY GET HOPE FROM THE STINKY LINKY SONG

STINKY LINKYS DONT STAY STINKY FOR LONG

THEY GET HOPE FROM THE STINKY LINKY SONG

>>10226087
If any of you don't support Trump, you really are mad. Enjoy slavery under China. Russia is allied with China unfortunately. Both shall perish.

>Putin be like
I love it when a plan comes together

>>10227401
Someone got there before me.

>>10227345
The country has been on a retreated credit binge ever since 2008 and most things they do are way more unsound than what happens in the US. reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1GL1Y6

https://youtu.be/XopSDJq6w8E

>>10227446
>more unsound than what happens in the US
I doubt that something is more unsound that US banks who fund global trade with 100x leverage and a US president trying to curb down global trade.

>>10226354
Chinese people are pissed at their government, but they're not allowed to say it. There will be an armed revolution the moment their economy falls apart.

>>10227349
What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>10227345
This is out of date info though, this isn't 1995 China

>>10226533
Actually importing less and exporting more would cause deflation

>>10227465
Fair play if China do have an armed revolution because American's with the means and motive to do it are just too pussy when it comes to the crunch.

boy oh boy, I wonder what will be discussed in putin-trump meeting. I hope we (russia) will turn into USA direction and not the chinks. I live in Vladivostok and I already feel the shit poruing in also not to mention Siberia forests fucking cut down by hungry chinks

>>10227747
But Putin says they’re your best friends.

>>10227924
it can change in an evening

>>10227924
And Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia

>>10226087
Trumpcucks actually excited about 20th century economic policies that are absolutely disastrous and threaten the well being of us all

>>10226122
>how can we profit off this
European basedbean producers

>>10226182
you don't belong

>>10228560
you have to go back

>>10226149
>China will break and negotiate sooner or later. They have more to lose

He still thinks the US are important for the world economy kek.

Do you realize the 21st century will be the century of South-East Asia and India ?? US and EU economies will slowly decline over the next decades until Chinks and Pajeets are superior financially. Wake up.

>>10227747
>Vladivostok
>Russian
Dude do you have white Russian cuties in Vladivostok? I always wanted to live there, one flight away is hairy asian cute pussy, then one flight away you have white pink Russian pussy.

>>10226533
Yes, it really does work that way you dumbass

>>10226562
You think we're going to pay them back? ahaha

>>10226562
>US will be destroyed single handed by the debts China is holding

Explain how that will work anon, cos you seem to think you know. No need for details, just tell us how the Chinese are going to leverage these dollars against the US. Hardmode; it doesn't effectively lose them all that money.

>>10226641
I own oil, drive baby drive

>>10226567
Just one of many:

http://www.nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?&kt=5000&lat=40.72422&lng=-73.9961&airburst=0&hob_ft=0&casualties=1&fallout=1&ff=50&psi=20,5,1&zm=11

>>10226179
Exactly you fucking brainlet. Did you take econ 101 basic principles and now you think you know enough to talk world economics? Hint: you're making yourself look stupid.

>>10226087
excellent, keep it up comrades! hopefully it is time for US to fall and world markets will feast on it to fuel new market growth.

>>10226179
This but it's because the average china man is cucked beyond belief by the communist party.

>>10226510
Except it wont because we dont make anything locally anymore.

>>10229271
Lets see what happens when americans can't get the latest phone. There will be blood in the streets. Or at least mean memes.

>>10229286
We will still be able to buy them they will just cost even more. The iPhone X will probably be like 1500 instead of 1000. But phone fags are retards anyway making monthly payments on their iphones for 4 years. They dont even own their phones they just lease them basically.

>>10226627
>from china to resell elsewhere, they will be completely, absolutely fucked

Source: my smelly ass

>>10226684
I believe this but not because muh big bad Trump. I think the conditions that allowed for him to become president are what's ominous. The type of vitriol and polarization we have I feel like is the most disconnected from how actually well off most people are we've ever experienced

Free trade leads to things beeing produced where they are the cheapest to make. If you listen to Pat Buchanan or William Luther Pierce than you will know that this also leads to economic dependence of one country to another.

The US is currently unable to fight a big prolonged war against someone who is able to fight back. Every piece of American military hardware has many foreign made parts in it. In case of such a war the military would for example suddenly find out that there would be no new fighter jets because they require many displays and there is no American company producing any. This example is actually based on a true event where the production of some jet had to be delayed because some foreign company did not deliver any screens on time.

Listen to the video on youtube where (((Milton Friedman))) talks about free trade and how on one knows how to make a pencil:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5Gppi-O3a8

In the 1980s the US in fact used this as a tactic against Iran in the Iraq vs. Iran war. Iran had many US made jets but at the beginning of the war the US stoped delivering replacement parts and their whole airfleet was grounded after 3 months.

In the beginning of the current Syrian Civil War there were many "rebels" who spoke french or english with scottish accent. After Russias involement these rebels disappeared and everyone believes that this has something to do with Europes dependence on Russian oil and gas. This is also the reason why the US pushed for a free trade deal in the past. In it there were a few pasages about free trade but most of it dealt with the subject intellectual property. The US tried to make Europe dependent on American made seeds from Monsanto that are sterile in the next generation so that Europe will be forced to buy new seeds from the US every year for all eternity. The intellectual property part would allow Monsanto to confiscate every piece technology that would enable Europe to become independent in its food supply.

>>10226862
Yeah the thing that bothers me about anti-americanism overseas is that most people aren't intelligent enough to actually be able to explain any of their positions. It's just sort of this veneer of intelligence but if you press it you realize it's just social reinforcement. The British are kings of that shit

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>>10229349
Why though?
You must admit that that claim is a bit silly.
Recall that in Germany before the rise of fascism there were gunfights in the streets between communists and capitalists and people were so poor that you could go to Berlin and fuck a mother and daughter together in the same brothel
So what is so 'insidious' about the time we're living in now?

>>10226099
It doesn't. Poltards are stupid. Rise of wages are rising fast in china anyways and they're catching up with the long stagnated low tier worker wages in the US, so manufacturing would have "moved home" anyway.

This is just a way for the US to attack China economically. China already planned to move gradually away from such an extreme export and manufacturing centric economy and have a more internal consumption, intellectual work and service driven economy with a higher standard of living. It's gradually happening before our eyes. What trump does is throwing a spanner in their gears at the cost of China's workers, China's economy and american consumers. Especially american consumers of cheap products, that is the poor. Who probably mainly voted trump in the first place.
He also fucks over american exports that head to China and the planning of US businesses and corporations who source things from China.

All in all, he's just initiating trade war vs China in a phyrric way, hurting both countries. Between actions like this, flip-flopping on Syria and taking a big bailout from a Rothschild firm when he was having financial trouble a long time ago, I'm pretty sure he's just an instrument of the Rothschilds in their quest for global domination at this point. They don't really care about hurting pieces of the cake so long as they get to have it all.

>>10229398
>gunfights in the streets between communists and capitalists

That's kinda what I'm talking about, we have a very weak version of that playing out right now, I think ultimately it won't pan out to be anything too egregious but what is striking is that these two ridiculous sides are not seeing what's in front of them, the narrative they are living their lives by is purely informed by socialization and misinformation on the internet, and that's a huge problem when it is otherwise the best to be alive in history. I just worry how far some of these people will take it

>>10229461
The left gets more violent the more they lose the cuture war. That's evident, so what's your point? Capitulating to them would be wrong. Fighting back requires force, either from an opposing mob or from an organized state. Do you want to let us got the way of Venezuela or what?

>>10229511
Communism isnt supposed to be a culture anyway. Its an economic system. Liberals are just capitalists that pretend to be communists. They are just smart enough to larp as commies to win the poor vote.

>>10227345
China has lower government debt but very high corporate debt and a massive housing bubble of chinky shitter constructions that last 5 years before collapsing.

South East Asia too, throw in a strengthening $USD and it isn't good.

>>10226099
>trade wars ongoing
>not shorting the living shot out of all stocks

/biz/ never learns, i bet you are holding bitcoin still lel

>>10227465
>armed revolution
>with no guns
>bin those chopsticks
Short of a military coup, the general population in China can't do shit. That and Chinese people are huge cowards.

>>10226160
You fuck off you dick. You are as moronic and as empty-headed as our retarded president.

>>10229362

With this trade deal having failed Bayer now tries to buy Monsanto and put everything I just wrote into the fineprint of the takeover contract where the EU and many other regulators will be involved.

Meanwhile the US is also producing more and more oil and gas from fracking so as to become energy independent and export it to Europe. This is plan D.

Plan C was to legalize fracking in Europe and Ukraine and to reduce the dependence on Russia with their own production. However everyone in Europe was afraid that it would poison the drinking water and that people could end up putting their tap water on fire. The Ukraine became meanwhile unable to provide a secure and stable supply to Europe.

Plan B was to get oil from the Caspian Sea through Georgia. The pipeline was going through Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

Plan A was "Operation Hammer" where the Americans would finance (((agents))) inside Russia with US bonds to buy all Russian energy companies and many other industries and sabotage Russias economy. This lead to 7 people owning more than 50% of Russias GDP. 6 of these were jews. These people are now called the oligarchy.

Europe itself is also very lazy now with respect to its own military. During the bombing of Lybia to overthrow Gadaffi the US did 70% of all the bombing but France and Italy ran out of ammunition after only a few weeks.

Germany has no ground based anti air defences. They have over 100 Eurofighters to defend their airspace but only 10 are operational and only 4 can armed. They have 3 submarines but all of them are in repair. Same goes for their whole military and that of any other NATO ally .

Trump is pushing for tariffs to force American weapons manufacturers not to import everything from China. Beyond that Trump is also pushing Europe to contribute more to NATO. His plan is now to produce all weapons the US and Europe will ever need.

>>10229461
>A very weak version of that playing out right now
No we don't mate
For what it's worth, my grandmother and grandfather lived through those times as kids and we are not in those times
Moreover, if you're worried about fascism really taking over you can rest assured that the only way it took over to begin with was under the unfathomably hapless and retarded treaty-of-Versailles-made governments in Germany and Italy

As a bit of optimism, we've had a civil war and we're nowhere near even those kinds of tensions
The middling American is a moderate, my friend
And the American system was setup to deliver slow but right law, and in many ways we are just seeing a natural pushback against a way of doing things that just got a bit stale, aka neoconservatism

>>10229683
>>10229362

So you're saying invest in American Weapons producers and defense contractors?

>>10229729

I say its more of a political decision rather than a economic one.

I expect a lot of companies to move production back to the US but their stock prices wont rise because of that.

You may however consider shorting Chinese currency relative to soft comodities. Whenever a company wants to produce something in China they have to turn over their tech to the Chinese goverment. China however is totally incapable to create any new tech on its own and is still pretty much like the Soviet Union. Exept for a big alien private sector from foreign countries on which it can nourish itself they are also unable to do any business. In other word they are even unable to apply the tech they got to their own economy. Over time they will fall behind to the rest of the world and their economy will decay and decline. This will devalue their currency with respect to commodities.

There is however a certain risk. China bought a lot of gold in the past and their reserves are much bigger than their official reports say. Afraid of what I have just desribed they plan to use these reserves to back their currency with. This will however give them only time and postpone the inevitable.

>>10229933
>China however is totally incapable to create any new tech on its own and is still pretty much like the Soviet Union.
>Soviet union didn't innovate
>Chinese are incapable of innovation just inherently somehow
are your retarded or something

>>10229965

>but muh equality of races
>but muh Soviet Union is an efficiet goverment that cant collapse
I saw your other comment. I guess it doesnt matter how many times you will be proven wrong by history you will never develope the intellectual integrity to admit you were wrong.

>>10230122
>projects opinions onto me that I didn't state
typical burger. "omg he disagrees with me, he must be a "cultural marxists" and a "communist""

>>10230143
stop pretending you are normal person and not one of them.

>>10226182
>pol

>>10226652
t. never read mussolini's doctrine of fascism

>>10226122
SPXU
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>>10226179
This not true
But your average chink not care about scorched earth losing everything unlike burgers

>>10230166
No point replying, m8. Leftists just shit up threads with mindless shitposting. You'll never get a real discussion.

>>10229437
>Who probably mainly voted trump in the first place.
Straight out, bllshit.
Majority of the farmers voted for trump which are rich af, the majority of the last part of the excisting middle class voted for trump,

On the other hand black and latino ppl, who are in general poor as fuck voted for clinton. Fucking students, who are poor as fuck and fed by daddy, voted for clinton.

So over all, bullshit.

>>10230166
>>10230182
>muh libs, muh leftists
you fuckers are so functionally brain damaged by your media and 2 party system it's sad

>>10226182
We dont want these regards they can fuck off back to /b/

>>10229696
>The middling American is a moderate, my friend

This is what I ultimately hope but it gets harder to tell as time goes on imo

>>10229659
Never underestimate the complacency and cowardice of the Chinese people. They will never rebel; even if starving. The Japanese learnt that in WWII, and MAO sure as hell learnt that in the Cultural Revolution where 80 million + Chinese were killed starved.

>>10229696
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/06/27/civil-war-likely-voters-say-rasmussen-poll/740731002/

You should pay attention to what's going on if you really think that.

>>10230868
>the media says someone says people said X is happening
>therefore, X is happening
incredible how fucking retarded americans are

>>10226099
it will bring jobs and manufacturing back to the USA

>>10226099
It balances the trading field. China has had more say, more power economically for far too long.

This will make force people to run to bitcoin
It's heaven. Prep the bull

>>10226533
>no more cheap chinese shit
only retards think that this is a bad thing

>>10231798
He fell for the meme

I'm out. Enjoy drumpfs economy.

WHERE IS THE FUCKING WALL?!
'
ITS BEEN 2 AND HALF YEARS STILL NO WALL

BUILD THE WALL!

If you aren't at the table. You're on the menu.

Unilateralism or Bilateralism instead of Multilateralism create power voids and those voids demand to be filled. Anyone who thinks this economic policy is anything but detrimental to the long term health of the U.S. and her standing in it sadly and sorely mistaken.

When we renounce our partnerships, insult our allies, and let our enemies write the rules on how the playing field is run we make an interminably unsafe world. Full stop.

>>10230181
i hate this faggot

>>10231990
sometimes a forest needs a fire to grow again

China is so fucked. Everybody is slowly starting to realize just how much of a paper tiger they've been the past few years.

This may snowball really fast, great buying opportunity for overpriced chinese companies that will take a serious hit soon and recover slowly.

>>10226099
>be US
>be bent over for 40 years due to trade agreements that ran deficits
>2018
>fight back
>NEETs freak out about a 1% drop in the DOW

fucking millennials

>>10226376
>based beans
Newfag detected. GET THE FUCK OFF MY BOARD FUCKING NORMIE FAG!!!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!

>>10229511
Most mass shooters and US terrorists are right wing.

>>10231798
They never had power. They were always bullshitting. They would literally be nothing today if the US didn't exploit them for cheap labor for 40 years. We're calling their bluff big time now.

>>10232044
Let's artificially make it cheaper to purchase domestically! That'll solve the import/export problem in the long term!

genius

>>10229379
I feel like Americans’ dislike of the British come from a deep sense of inferiority.

>>10232085
Seemed to have work for those that placed tariffs on US for decades...

For years.. China pegs Yuan under the dollar to manipulate currency to undercut all Americans and steal the manufacturing. Trump enforces tariffs to combat the problem. All of a sudden, Trump is a scumbag for sticking up for American jobs being stolen.

>>10231735
>obsessed with american politics when they don't even live there like a school girl in love with a celebrity
>americans are pathetic
24/7 rent free.

>>10232023

There's a difference between a controlled burn and an out of control wildfire. One has purpose, clarity, and require teamwork as well as acumen to understand and implement.

The other is just careless, irresponsible, and incredibly dangerous. Mr.Trump has not shown the necessary gravitas and intellectual dexterity to pull off something that complicated. This is reactionary, selfish, and feckless but we don't what he knows.

>>10232191
Wait, you're claiming that being impulsive in decision making, not listening to advice of others, being stubborn to a fault, and showing a propensity for oversimplification is bad for driving trade policy?

BACK TO FUCKING POL!!!

>>10232230

I do think he listens to his advisors and has cultivated an intellectual arm that he can lean onto. The rest is definitely true. The biggest problem is that (at least the perception of) is that the decision making process is through the lens of "How do I make myself look good, how do I get re-elected?" as opposed to any sort of substantive introspection on how this will effect millions of people both on this side as well as on the other side. The stuff I feel most presidents try to take in stride and go "Hey I'm trying to make America bettter" as opposed to "How do I make myself better." The good ones will get both done, the average ones will put country first, and the bad ones put themselves first to all else.

>>10232191
You sound like a fag.

>>10230202
this, the trump contingency was largely rich/upper middle class, suburban, and older
very few poor whites actually voted for trump - most didn't vote at all.

>>10233048
*constituency, not contingency

>>10232085
It will be in the long run because it will help to curb chinese growth and protect domestic industry. Literally every fucking country does this, the US is the exception and its not helping us by any means.

>>10226087
Fuck I do retail and ecommerce and this is going to end up fucking me.

The steel already did because I do laser engraving. %20 increase in my materials this year.

>>10226496
>family
a retarded nephew at best

>>10226115
kek he is my president I want everything to get fucked

>>10226179
Fuck off back to resetera you double digit IQ cretin.

>>10232044
Are you an actual 58 year old boomer?!

>>10226336
The profit will come in the Form of US companies moving manufacturing back home in some sectors where it would be profitable to do so. Won't benefit the American citizen though because no matter what, prices will go up more.

>>10229683
>This lead to 7 people owning more than 50% of Russias GDP. 6 of these were jews. These people are now called the oligarchy.

I want names.

>>10226099

You can pay for el muro

>>10231990
The problem is China won’t be writing any rules for any system. China doesn’t want to run the world right now, and it can’t. They needed the Americans to police this system for another couple decades because they get so much out of Bretton Woods for nothing in return.

>>10226087
Only fucking boomers and NEETs on this board...

The US prints the currency used in global trade. If you want to buy a ton of shoes from chinks you negotiate the price in US sheckels - not Yuan, Euro or some other currency.

When a military ship pulls up somewhere to fill up its tanks they give US dollars for the fuel, which means to burgers it's essentially free as they print the USD.

I don't believe this tariffs nonsense, it's just signaling to voters so he gets re-elected.

If US imposes tariffs all that they will do is tax themselves. Rednecks will pay more for their MAGA caps made in "Chiner", everything will be more expensive.

The bottom line is that there are no human rights in China and therefore the labor is cheap. For stuff to stay low in price it has to be made where it costs less to make. This benefits liberals not conservatives who have factory workers voting for them.

If this would really go down as the media paints it then you would just have lots of shitty and dangerous jobs, lower standard of living.

>>10231753
please shut up retard

>>10226589
That could be possible, there's a recession on the horizon.

>>10226186
5.5 oz gold
1700 oz silver

All bought with hard labor.

>>10226087
>200B
So less than what EOS raised?

>>10226099
it doesn't really help useless druggies who can't even feel their hands anymore, but it does help useful people who can make televisions, cellphones, computers, etc.

>>10235756
Doing work doesn't necessarily translate to being wealthy.

So you're going to sit all day testing iPhone circuit boards instead of some chink. That means the device will be more expensive for you to buy as a consumer.

It's just descending to a 2nd/3rd world level where all the pay one earn goes to cover basic necessities = lower standard of living.

>>10226122
short chink stocks, long US resource stocks

>>10232085
It literally does. The first country to impose tariffs in muh free market is the winner in global trade

>>10235858
>descending to a 3rd world level where all the pay you get just covers basic necessities
that is already how it works
the difference is that, if we get the manufacturing plants in america, we could feasibly seize the means of production
if america continues down the path of just lending money to giant corporations, making interest off of the money, taxing those profits, and handing the money to druggies for absolutely nothing, then the country will just collapse when other nations stop using our banks

>>10226202
It means prices in the US will rise dramatically.

>>10235756
I can't wait to get a sweet job mining rare earth minerals (there's gotta be some around here, it's probably next to the shale in Texas I think) and spend $4000 on my next iPhone.

>>10235890

Agreed. The way to win at global trade is to be the first country to stop all global trade.

By doing this, everyone will become fantastically wealthy, believe me, because the rest of the world is a bunch of freeloaders.

Sure, they give us raw materials, food, energy, and technology and finished goods in exchange for the dollars that we work so hard to print trillions of every year; it's a raw deal for us, believe me! Massive trade deficit.

>>10236026
the rare earth minerals mines are in california
if you really don't want to pay a real wage for the people making your iphone, you could always just repeal the 13th amendment, or just keep being a neoliberal

>>10236026
>muh magical scenarios that don't exist in countries that already impose stronger tariffs than the US
kek great head canon though, ITS ALL OGRE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>10226689
Ye and your purchase power will also fall by 50 - 70%

>>10236056
Which countries impose more tarriffs than the US?

Lowest tariffs
Country Weighted mean applied tariff
Singapore 0.00%
Macao (China) 0.00%
Hong Kong (China) 0.00%
Switzerland 0.00%
Brunei 0.50%
Botswana 0.57%
Georgia 0.66%
Iceland 0.71%
Mauritius 0.74%
Canada 0.85%

>>10236067
so? it will keep people from buying useless garbage anyway

>>10236056

Find one western country with higher tarriffs than the US. Just one.

>>10236056
Yeah, those deluded fags who think there tariffs will help them should look at gulag countries where there are restrictions already.

>>10235951
So it only can get worse. How are you going to make up for higher labor costs?

Outside of US there are basic social safety nets so you don't become a fucking leper just because you injured your limb or fell ill. This phenomenon is mostly unique to US.

>>10229683
This kind of makes sense thank anon. The US would prob have the best chance of creating an economy by specialising in making weapons. By pressuring Europe about its NATO negotiations the US will propose to make those weapons instead creating more jobs for people in the weapon industry. To achieve this will need to create or point at new treats boogyman tho

moving to Shanghai in November hopefully

feels good to play both sides

>>10228578
> retard alert
California alone is the 4th largest economy in the world, ahead of the entire UK (which is 5th).

>the trade deficit tho

>>10232291
>POL

>>10236269
the trade deficit dosen't exist

>>10236124
>make up for higher labor costs
pay the workers, duh

>>10226496
What’s that picture from I likey

>>10226087
>China hitting US where it hurts: Sóybeans

>>10226582
Shit

I thought I was a nerd with good fashion sense but between this and my ex telling the way I stand is gay and my chiropractor telling me to stop standing like a little girl, I've realized I am a real like basedboy

Time to hit the gym

>>10229437
>Poltards are stupid
>le rothchild world domination meme

I love this man

>>10236195
>By pressuring Europe about its NATO negotiations the US will propose to make those weapons instead creating more jobs for people in the weapon industry.
Great, it will prop the weapon industry in Europe, you know. Because nowaday it's pretty unreliable to buy american.

>>10226720
are you fucking kidding me? my retard trumper parents ONLY buy chinese goods and will continue to because they shop at walmart and buy the cheapest thing available.

my friends and i are the ones avoiding chinese crap when possible, not the (real) boomers.

>>10239122
This.

Loudmouthed patriotic people are never the ones buying domestic products, because they tend to buy the cheapest crap rather than quality products.

>>10226336
who cares its unproductive money anyway buying craplastic shit destined for landfill.

>>10226087
It doesn't help the US, but it's designed to curb the growth of China.

China's economic growth is a huge house of cards and without cheap exports the entire thing collapses. The US is the main economy with the purchasing power to buy that much shit, and the EU is on the verge of collapse. The parabolic economic growth that China has enjoyed for the past two decades is about to be tested. They're kinda fucked, put between a rock and a hard place.

Yeah it hurts the US, but in any fight both parties are going to walk out with at least a few cuts and bruises, but the goal is to rough up the other guy worse.

>>10226099
Never fear, a bunch of out of touch / touchless virgin neckbeards are about to give you a quick rundown of their worthless opinion that should have never left their mom's basement and will never leave this forum.

testing, dont mind me lads
onions basedboy

>>10230181
Kill yourself